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    From pete@never.here@21:1/5 to Chris Ilias on Mon Mar 29 10:32:44 2021
    On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:26:24 -0400, Chris Ilias <nmo9@ilias.ca> wrote:

    On 2021-03-28 6:23 p.m., Bret Busby wrote:

    The new list web page address is
    https://groups.io/g/firefox-support
    Everyone, please note that the above link is not created by Mozilla. It
    is not maintained by Mozilla, and not affiliated with Mozilla.

    Hi Chris,

    In your original message on the subject you said:

    *WHY THIS IS HAPPENING*
    Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for
    many years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and
    moved to https://discourse.mozilla.org/
    Even though a support web forum already exists, the support
    newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server.

    That is the physically what's happening but what is the reasoning
    behind the move?

    Has the cost become too great for Mozilla to bear or is it just the inconvenience of having running them?


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  • From Chris Ilias@21:1/5 to pete@never.here on Mon Mar 29 13:30:38 2021
    On 2021-03-29 5:32 a.m., pete@never.here wrote:
    On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:26:24 -0400, Chris Ilias <nmo9@ilias.ca> wrote:

    On 2021-03-28 6:23 p.m., Bret Busby wrote:

    The new list web page address is
    https://groups.io/g/firefox-support
    Everyone, please note that the above link is not created by Mozilla. It
    is not maintained by Mozilla, and not affiliated with Mozilla.

    Hi Chris,

    In your original message on the subject you said:

    *WHY THIS IS HAPPENING*
    Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for
    many years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and
    moved to https://discourse.mozilla.org/
    Even though a support web forum already exists, the support
    newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server.

    That is the physically what's happening but what is the reasoning
    behind the move?

    There are so many reasons for it, I don't have time to provide them all
    right now. :) For now, I'll just point to https://wiki.mozilla.org/Discussion_Forums/Problem_Statement

    --
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  • From Bret Busby@21:1/5 to Chris Ilias on Tue Mar 30 04:00:50 2021
    On 30/3/21 1:30 am, Chris Ilias wrote:
    On 2021-03-29 5:32 a.m., pete@never.here wrote:
    On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 21:26:24 -0400, Chris Ilias <nmo9@ilias.ca> wrote:

    On 2021-03-28 6:23 p.m., Bret Busby wrote:

    The new list web page address is
    https://groups.io/g/firefox-support
    Everyone, please note that the above link is not created by Mozilla. It
    is not maintained by Mozilla, and not affiliated with Mozilla.

    Hi Chris,

    In your original message on the subject you said:

    *WHY THIS IS HAPPENING*
    Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for
    many years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and
    moved to https://discourse.mozilla.org/
    Even though a support web forum already exists, the support
    newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server.

    That is the physically what's happening but what is the reasoning
    behind the move?

    There are so many reasons for it, I don't have time to provide them all
    right now. :) For now, I'll just point to https://wiki.mozilla.org/Discussion_Forums/Problem_Statement



    Are you aware of a proposal by Mozilla, to push (as in shovel, without
    being given a choice) subscribers to Mozilla hosted mailing lists, into
    google groupses?

    Apparently, rather than, as I have done with the mailing list that I set
    up, inviting subscribers to this list, to join my new list, apparently,
    Mozilla proposes to automatically make all subscribers to its lists,
    members of google groupses, regardless of whether the victims want that.

    --
    Bret Busby
    UbuntuMATE User and Campaigner
    Clean Energy User and Campaigner
    Human Rights Campaigner
    UBI and Citizens Dividend Campaigner

    Armadale
    West Australia
    (UTC+0800)
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  • From Chris Ilias@21:1/5 to Bret Busby on Mon Mar 29 16:10:05 2021
    On 2021-03-29 4:00 p.m., Bret Busby wrote:
    On 30/3/21 1:30 am, Chris Ilias wrote:

    There are so many reasons for it, I don't have time to provide them
    all right now. :) For now, I'll just point to
    https://wiki.mozilla.org/Discussion_Forums/Problem_Statement

    Are you aware of a proposal by Mozilla, to push (as in shovel, without
    being given a choice) subscribers to Mozilla hosted mailing lists, into google groupses?

    Apparently, rather than, as I have done with the mailing list that I set
    up, inviting subscribers to this list, to join my new list, apparently, Mozilla proposes to automatically make all subscribers to its lists,
    members of google groupses, regardless of whether the victims want that.

    Hi Bret,
    If you want me to answer that, you're going to have to explain what on
    earth you're referring to. :D

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  • From BillH@21:1/5 to Bret Busby on Mon Mar 29 14:12:10 2021
    On 3/29/2021 1:23 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
    I am told of a proposal from Mozilla, to put subscribers to its mailing lists, automatically, into google groupses, so that it transfers its
    hosted mailing lists to google groups, without the list subscribers
    having any choice.

    How were you told this? Where is this documented? Can we somehow see
    where this proposal was mentioned?

    Bill

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  • From Bret Busby@21:1/5 to Chris Ilias on Tue Mar 30 04:23:55 2021
    On 30/3/21 4:10 am, Chris Ilias wrote:
    On 2021-03-29 4:00 p.m., Bret Busby wrote:
    On 30/3/21 1:30 am, Chris Ilias wrote:

    There are so many reasons for it, I don't have time to provide them
    all right now. :) For now, I'll just point to
    https://wiki.mozilla.org/Discussion_Forums/Problem_Statement

    Are you aware of a proposal by Mozilla, to push (as in shovel, without
    being given a choice) subscribers to Mozilla hosted mailing lists,
    into google groupses?

    Apparently, rather than, as I have done with the mailing list that I
    set up, inviting subscribers to this list, to join my new list,
    apparently, Mozilla proposes to automatically make all subscribers to
    its lists, members of google groupses, regardless of whether the
    victims want that.

    Hi Bret,
    If you want me to answer that, you're going to have to explain what on
    earth you're referring to. :D



    I am told of a proposal from Mozilla, to put subscribers to its mailing
    lists, automatically, into google groupses, so that it transfers its
    hosted mailing lists to google groups, without the list subscribers
    having any choice.

    When ancestry.com shut down its rootsweb mailing lists, some people
    chose to start up groups at google groups, some chose to go to yahoo
    groups (which, I believe, have since closed down - I believe that yahoo
    closed down its yahoo groups), and, some, like me, chose to go to
    groups.io .

    But, the subscribers to the rootsweb lists, were free to choose what we did.

    Apparently, Mozilla has proposed transferring its lists subscribers to
    google groups, without the list subscribers being given a choice.

    The herding of the subscribers, without the subscribers being given a
    choice, is an issue, if this is correct.

    --
    Bret Busby
    UbuntuMATE User and Campaigner
    Clean Energy User and Campaigner
    Human Rights Campaigner
    UBI and Citizens Dividend Campaigner

    Armadale
    West Australia
    (UTC+0800)
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  • From BillH@21:1/5 to Bret Busby on Mon Mar 29 15:08:44 2021
    On 3/29/2021 2:36 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
    On 30/3/21 5:12 am, BillH wrote:
    On 3/29/2021 1:23 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
    I am told of a proposal from Mozilla, to put subscribers to its mailing
    lists, automatically, into google groupses, so that it transfers its
    hosted mailing lists to google groups, without the list subscribers
    having any choice.

    How were you told this?  Where is this documented?  Can we somehow see
    where this proposal was mentioned?

    Bill



    It is a proposal that I was advised had been made by Mozilla.

    I believe it would not be appropriate for me to reveal my source.

    I was asking the list administrator of this list, whether he or she (I
    can not determine the gender by the name) had heard anything about the proposal.


    Hmmm... a secret proposal... not sure what to think of that.

    Bill

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  • From Bret Busby@21:1/5 to BillH on Tue Mar 30 05:36:11 2021
    On 30/3/21 5:12 am, BillH wrote:
    On 3/29/2021 1:23 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
    I am told of a proposal from Mozilla, to put subscribers to its mailing
    lists, automatically, into google groupses, so that it transfers its
    hosted mailing lists to google groups, without the list subscribers
    having any choice.

    How were you told this?  Where is this documented?  Can we somehow see where this proposal was mentioned?

    Bill



    It is a proposal that I was advised had been made by Mozilla.

    I believe it would not be appropriate for me to reveal my source.

    I was asking the list administrator of this list, whether he or she (I
    can not determine the gender by the name) had heard anything about the proposal.

    --
    Bret Busby
    UbuntuMATE User and Campaigner
    Clean Energy User and Campaigner
    Human Rights Campaigner
    UBI and Citizens Dividend Campaigner

    Armadale
    West Australia
    (UTC+0800)
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  • From Bret Busby@21:1/5 to BillH on Tue Mar 30 06:24:25 2021
    On 30/3/21 6:08 am, BillH wrote:
    On 3/29/2021 2:36 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
    On 30/3/21 5:12 am, BillH wrote:
    On 3/29/2021 1:23 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
    I am told of a proposal from Mozilla, to put subscribers to its mailing >>>> lists, automatically, into google groupses, so that it transfers its
    hosted mailing lists to google groups, without the list subscribers
    having any choice.

    How were you told this?  Where is this documented?  Can we somehow see >>> where this proposal was mentioned?

    Bill



    It is a proposal that I was advised had been made by Mozilla.

    I believe it would not be appropriate for me to reveal my source.

    I was asking the list administrator of this list, whether he or she (I
    can not determine the gender by the name) had heard anything about the
    proposal.


    Hmmm... a secret proposal... not sure what to think of that.

    Bill



    A further aspect to this, that I have just discovered...

    I also use (this message is posted from) Thunderbird.

    I had not previously been aware of a mailing list for support for
    Thunderbird.

    So, I did a google search for
    thunderbird support mailing list
    and found
    https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-thunderbird

    Now, that list has the email address
    support-thunderbird@lists.mozilla.org

    But, I wanted to view the list archive, to find what had been said on
    that list, about the list being shut down, and, possibly, if applicable,
    a replacement mailing list.

    The interesting thing, is that, in the sentence
    "To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the support-thunderbird Archives. "
    with the words "support-thunderbird Archives" forming a hypertext link,
    the URL for that label, is http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.thunderbird

    So, I do not know the status of that list, or, thence, whether the
    compulsory moving to google groups, of lists hosted by Mozilla, has
    commenced.

    Perhaps, Chris Ilias (the list administrator of this Firefox support
    list) can clarify this.

    --
    Bret Busby
    UbuntuMATE User and Campaigner
    Clean Energy User and Campaigner
    Human Rights Campaigner
    UBI and Citizens Dividend Campaigner

    Armadale
    West Australia
    (UTC+0800)
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  • From Chris Ilias@21:1/5 to Bret Busby on Mon Mar 29 19:04:19 2021
    On 2021-03-29 6:24 p.m., Bret Busby wrote:

    A further aspect to this, that I have just discovered...

    I also use (this message is posted from) Thunderbird.

    I had not previously been aware of a mailing list for support for Thunderbird.

    So, I did a google search for
    thunderbird support mailing list
    and found
    https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-thunderbird

    Now, that list has the email address
    support-thunderbird@lists.mozilla.org

    But, I wanted to view the list archive, to find what had been said on
    that list, about the list being shut down, and, possibly, if applicable,
    a replacement mailing list.

    The interesting thing, is that, in the sentence
    "To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the support-thunderbird Archives. "
    with the words "support-thunderbird Archives" forming a hypertext link,
    the URL for that label, is http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.thunderbird

    So, I do not know the status of that list, or, thence, whether the
    compulsory moving to google groups, of lists hosted by Mozilla, has commenced.

    Perhaps, Chris Ilias (the list administrator of this Firefox support
    list) can clarify this.


    Chris Ilias (the list administrator of the Thunderbird support list) can clarify this. :)

    That forum (as well as this) is an amalgamation of a mailing list,
    newsgroup, and google group. Every message sent to the mailing list
    (hosted by Mozilla) is fed to the newsgroup (hosted by Giganews). Every
    message posted to the newsgroup is sent to the mailing list, and fed
    (along with messages from the mailing list) to the Google Group (hosted
    by Google). Every message posted to the Google Group is fed to the
    newsgroup, which then sends it to the mailing list. Using this method,
    people can subscribe and post messages via whichever of the three
    access-points they prefer, and still get the benefit of community
    members from other access points. Basically, instead of being three
    separate forums, it appears as one.

    Google Groups was originally an archive of Usenet newsgroups. They then
    allowed people to post to those newsgroups through Google Groups.
    Eventually, they created their own groups that are not fed to Usenet,
    also called Google Groups.
    That's why you can find messages from 1982 talking about the upcoming
    sequel to the Empire Strikes Back - https://groups.google.com/g/net.movies/c/8Rsra_MR3yY/m/9TIQH0a19xwJ

    These mailing lists were set up to use Google Groups as the archive.
    (see https://www-archive.mozilla.org/community/giganews-migration.html)



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  • From Bret Busby@21:1/5 to Chris Ilias on Tue Mar 30 07:31:58 2021
    On 30/3/21 7:04 am, Chris Ilias wrote:
    On 2021-03-29 6:24 p.m., Bret Busby wrote:

    A further aspect to this, that I have just discovered...

    I also use (this message is posted from) Thunderbird.

    I had not previously been aware of a mailing list for support for
    Thunderbird.

    So, I did a google search for
    thunderbird support mailing list
    and found
    https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-thunderbird

    Now, that list has the email address
    support-thunderbird@lists.mozilla.org

    But, I wanted to view the list archive, to find what had been said on
    that list, about the list being shut down, and, possibly, if
    applicable, a replacement mailing list.

    The interesting thing, is that, in the sentence
    "To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the
    support-thunderbird Archives. "
    with the words "support-thunderbird Archives" forming a hypertext
    link, the URL for that label, is
    http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.thunderbird

    So, I do not know the status of that list, or, thence, whether the
    compulsory moving to google groups, of lists hosted by Mozilla, has
    commenced.

    Perhaps, Chris Ilias (the list administrator of this Firefox support
    list) can clarify this.


    Chris Ilias (the list administrator of the Thunderbird support list) can clarify this. :)

    That forum (as well as this) is an amalgamation of a mailing list,
    newsgroup, and google group. Every message sent to the mailing list
    (hosted by Mozilla) is fed to the newsgroup (hosted by Giganews). Every message posted to the newsgroup is sent to the mailing list, and fed
    (along with messages from the mailing list) to the Google Group (hosted
    by Google). Every message posted to the Google Group is fed to the
    newsgroup, which then sends it to the mailing list. Using this method,
    people can subscribe and post messages via whichever of the three access-points they prefer, and still get the benefit of community
    members from other access points. Basically, instead of being three
    separate forums, it appears as one.

    Google Groups was originally an archive of Usenet newsgroups. They then allowed people to post to those newsgroups through Google Groups.
    Eventually, they created their own groups that are not fed to Usenet,
    also called Google Groups.
    That's why you can find messages from 1982 talking about the upcoming
    sequel to the Empire Strikes Back - https://groups.google.com/g/net.movies/c/8Rsra_MR3yY/m/9TIQH0a19xwJ

    These mailing lists were set up to use Google Groups as the archive.
    (see https://www-archive.mozilla.org/community/giganews-migration.html)




    Hello.

    Thank you for that clarification.

    In the circumstances, with what you have previously posted, is the
    Thunderbird support mailing list, as hosted by Mozilla, at support-thunderbird@lists.mozilla.org
    to also be shut down as of 03 April?

    If so, has a replacement mailing list been created?

    If it is to be closed down, and, if a replacement mailing list, has not
    yet been created, may I also create a replacement mailing list for
    Thunderbird, as I did for Firefox, at groups.io ?

    --
    Bret Busby
    UbuntuMATE User and Campaigner
    Clean Energy User and Campaigner
    Human Rights Campaigner
    UBI and Citizens Dividend Campaigner

    Armadale
    West Australia
    (UTC+0800)
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  • From Bret Busby@21:1/5 to Jeremy Nicoll on Tue Mar 30 07:52:46 2021
    On 30/3/21 7:48 am, Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Mar 2021, at 00:31, Bret Busby wrote:

    In the circumstances, with what you have previously posted, is the
    Thunderbird support mailing list, as hosted by Mozilla, at
    support-thunderbird@lists.mozilla.org
    to also be shut down as of 03 April?

    Yes. There's a similar set of discussions there.

    If so, has a replacement mailing list been created?

    There was already a pair of them on groups.io, at

    https://groups.io/g/thunderbird
    (which maybe doesn't allow attachments to posts)

    and
    https://groups.io/g/thunderbirdemail (which does allow them)


    Thank you for that.

    --
    Bret Busby
    UbuntuMATE User and Campaigner
    Clean Energy User and Campaigner
    Human Rights Campaigner
    UBI and Citizens Dividend Campaigner

    Armadale
    West Australia
    (UTC+0800)
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  • From Chris Ilias@21:1/5 to Sailfish on Mon Mar 29 21:54:02 2021
    On 2021-03-29 9:20 p.m., Sailfish wrote:
    My bloviated meandering follows what Chris Ilias graced us with on
    3/29/2021 4:04 PM:

    Chris Ilias (the list administrator of the Thunderbird support list)
    can clarify this. :)

    That forum (as well as this) is an amalgamation of a mailing list,
    newsgroup, and google group. Every message sent to the mailing list
    (hosted by Mozilla) is fed to the newsgroup (hosted by Giganews).
    Every message posted to the newsgroup is sent to the mailing list, and
    fed (along with messages from the mailing list) to the Google Group
    (hosted by Google). Every message posted to the Google Group is fed to
    the newsgroup, which then sends it to the mailing list. Using this
    method, people can subscribe and post messages via whichever of the
    three access-points they prefer, and still get the benefit of
    community members from other access points. Basically, instead of
    being three separate forums, it appears as one.

    Google Groups was originally an archive of Usenet newsgroups. They
    then allowed people to post to those newsgroups through Google Groups.
    Eventually, they created their own groups that are not fed to Usenet,
    also called Google Groups.
    That's why you can find messages from 1982 talking about the upcoming
    sequel to the Empire Strikes Back -
    https://groups.google.com/g/net.movies/c/8Rsra_MR3yY/m/9TIQH0a19xwJ

    These mailing lists were set up to use Google Groups as the archive.
    (see https://www-archive.mozilla.org/community/giganews-migration.html)

    Chris, very interesting and a bit convoluted. I know this may not be in
    your wheelhouse to answer but do you know if these groups will remain
    active in Google Groups?

    I assume they will be marked as read-only, similar to what has been done
    with previous mozilla newsgroups that were shut down.
    For example: https://groups.google.com/g/mozilla.support.mozilla-suite

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  • From Sailfish@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 29 18:20:51 2021
    My bloviated meandering follows what Chris Ilias graced us with on
    3/29/2021 4:04 PM:
    On 2021-03-29 6:24 p.m., Bret Busby wrote:

    A further aspect to this, that I have just discovered...

    I also use (this message is posted from) Thunderbird.

    I had not previously been aware of a mailing list for support for
    Thunderbird.

    So, I did a google search for
    thunderbird support mailing list
    and found
    https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-thunderbird

    Now, that list has the email address
    support-thunderbird@lists.mozilla.org

    But, I wanted to view the list archive, to find what had been said on
    that list, about the list being shut down, and, possibly, if
    applicable, a replacement mailing list.

    The interesting thing, is that, in the sentence
    "To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the
    support-thunderbird Archives. "
    with the words "support-thunderbird Archives" forming a hypertext
    link, the URL for that label, is
    http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.thunderbird

    So, I do not know the status of that list, or, thence, whether the
    compulsory moving to google groups, of lists hosted by Mozilla, has
    commenced.

    Perhaps, Chris Ilias (the list administrator of this Firefox support
    list) can clarify this.


    Chris Ilias (the list administrator of the Thunderbird support list) can clarify this. :)

    That forum (as well as this) is an amalgamation of a mailing list,
    newsgroup, and google group. Every message sent to the mailing list
    (hosted by Mozilla) is fed to the newsgroup (hosted by Giganews). Every message posted to the newsgroup is sent to the mailing list, and fed
    (along with messages from the mailing list) to the Google Group (hosted
    by Google). Every message posted to the Google Group is fed to the
    newsgroup, which then sends it to the mailing list. Using this method,
    people can subscribe and post messages via whichever of the three access-points they prefer, and still get the benefit of community
    members from other access points. Basically, instead of being three
    separate forums, it appears as one.

    Google Groups was originally an archive of Usenet newsgroups. They then allowed people to post to those newsgroups through Google Groups.
    Eventually, they created their own groups that are not fed to Usenet,
    also called Google Groups.
    That's why you can find messages from 1982 talking about the upcoming
    sequel to the Empire Strikes Back - https://groups.google.com/g/net.movies/c/8Rsra_MR3yY/m/9TIQH0a19xwJ

    These mailing lists were set up to use Google Groups as the archive.
    (see https://www-archive.mozilla.org/community/giganews-migration.html)

    Chris, very interesting and a bit convoluted. I know this may not be in
    your wheelhouse to answer but do you know if these groups will remain
    active in Google Groups?

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  • From Sailfish@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 30 11:46:06 2021
    My bloviated meandering follows what Chris Ilias graced us with on
    3/29/2021 6:54 PM:
    On 2021-03-29 9:20 p.m., Sailfish wrote:
    My bloviated meandering follows what Chris Ilias graced us with on
    3/29/2021 4:04 PM:

    Chris Ilias (the list administrator of the Thunderbird support list)
    can clarify this. :)

    That forum (as well as this) is an amalgamation of a mailing list,
    newsgroup, and google group. Every message sent to the mailing list
    (hosted by Mozilla) is fed to the newsgroup (hosted by Giganews).
    Every message posted to the newsgroup is sent to the mailing list,
    and fed (along with messages from the mailing list) to the Google
    Group (hosted by Google). Every message posted to the Google Group is
    fed to the newsgroup, which then sends it to the mailing list. Using
    this method, people can subscribe and post messages via whichever of
    the three access-points they prefer, and still get the benefit of
    community members from other access points. Basically, instead of
    being three separate forums, it appears as one.

    Google Groups was originally an archive of Usenet newsgroups. They
    then allowed people to post to those newsgroups through Google
    Groups. Eventually, they created their own groups that are not fed to
    Usenet, also called Google Groups.
    That's why you can find messages from 1982 talking about the upcoming
    sequel to the Empire Strikes Back -
    https://groups.google.com/g/net.movies/c/8Rsra_MR3yY/m/9TIQH0a19xwJ

    These mailing lists were set up to use Google Groups as the archive.
    (see https://www-archive.mozilla.org/community/giganews-migration.html)

    Chris, very interesting and a bit convoluted. I know this may not be
    in your wheelhouse to answer but do you know if these groups will
    remain active in Google Groups?

    I assume they will be marked as read-only, similar to what has been done
    with previous mozilla newsgroups that were shut down.
    For example: https://groups.google.com/g/mozilla.support.mozilla-suite

    Okay, thanks. I'll try it out after this goes dark and see what happens.

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  • From Andrei Z.@21:1/5 to Chris Ilias on Wed Mar 31 08:19:52 2021
    Chris Ilias wrote:
    On 2021-03-29 9:20 p.m., Sailfish wrote:
    My bloviated meandering follows what Chris Ilias graced us with on
    3/29/2021 4:04 PM:

    Chris Ilias (the list administrator of the Thunderbird support list)
    can clarify this. :)

    That forum (as well as this) is an amalgamation of a mailing list,
    newsgroup, and google group. Every message sent to the mailing list
    (hosted by Mozilla) is fed to the newsgroup (hosted by Giganews).
    Every message posted to the newsgroup is sent to the mailing list,
    and fed (along with messages from the mailing list) to the Google
    Group (hosted by Google). Every message posted to the Google Group is
    fed to the newsgroup, which then sends it to the mailing list. Using
    this method, people can subscribe and post messages via whichever of
    the three access-points they prefer, and still get the benefit of
    community members from other access points. Basically, instead of
    being three separate forums, it appears as one.

    Google Groups was originally an archive of Usenet newsgroups. They
    then allowed people to post to those newsgroups through Google
    Groups. Eventually, they created their own groups that are not fed to
    Usenet, also called Google Groups.
    That's why you can find messages from 1982 talking about the upcoming
    sequel to the Empire Strikes Back -
    https://groups.google.com/g/net.movies/c/8Rsra_MR3yY/m/9TIQH0a19xwJ

    These mailing lists were set up to use Google Groups as the archive.
    (see https://www-archive.mozilla.org/community/giganews-migration.html)

    Chris, very interesting and a bit convoluted. I know this may not be
    in your wheelhouse to answer but do you know if these groups will
    remain active in Google Groups?

    I assume they will be marked as read-only, similar to what has been done
    with previous mozilla newsgroups that were shut down.
    For example: https://groups.google.com/g/mozilla.support.mozilla-suite

    MOVING dev.platform to dev-platform@mozilla.org in Mozilla’s Google
    Workspace (formerly GSuite)

    https://groups.google.com/g/mozilla.dev.platform/c/cD0nt-dQ9Mw

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