*WHAT IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
*WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN*
lists.mozilla.org: April 3
news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3
*WHAT YOU WILL EXPERIENCE*
Because all posts to this newsgroup go through the mailing list, no
messages will be approved after April 3. You will still be able to
access news.mozilla.org, but there will be no new posts in this
newsgroup after that. If you try to post a message, it will just not appear.
Sometime after that, Giganews will shut down news.mozilla.org, and you
will no longer be able to access the newsgroup.
*WHERE TO FIND THE ARCHIVE*
The archive of this newsgroup will be kept intact at >https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.firefox/
As with other newsgroups that have been shuttered in the past, the
archive will be read-only.
If you're using Thunderbird, you can also download all messages before
the news server is shut down.
1. In your Local Folders account, create a new folder called >"mozilla.support.firefox"
2. Open the newsgroup, then go to Edit-->Select-->All.
3. Go to Message-->Move_to-->Local_Folders-->mozilla.support.firefox
NOTE: There are over 190,000 messages, so it will take a long time to >download. You may want to select batches of messages instead of
selecting all.
*WHERE TO GO FOR SUPPORT*
The primary Firefox support forum is at >https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/firefox?show=all
Other languages can be found at >https://support.mozilla.org/kb/get-community-support
If you prefer newsgroups, there may be newsgroups on Usenet where you
can find Firefox support. If not, try netscape.public.mozilla.browser.
*WHY THIS IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for many
years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and moved
to https://discourse.mozilla.org/
Even though a support web forum already exists, the support
newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server.
*WHERE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ANNOUNCEMENT*
You can reply to this post, and I'll try to answer any questions.
If you have questions after the shutdown, you can find me in the
#firefox chat room at
https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#firefox:mozilla.org or the #sumo chat
room at https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#SUMO:mozilla.org
My display name on chat.mozilla.org is cilias
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
*WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN*
lists.mozilla.org: April 3
news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3
*WHAT YOU WILL EXPERIENCE*
Because all posts to this newsgroup go through the mailing list, no
messages will be approved after April 3. You will still be able to
access news.mozilla.org, but there will be no new posts in this
newsgroup after that. If you try to post a message, it will just not
appear.
Sometime after that, Giganews will shut down news.mozilla.org, and you
will no longer be able to access the newsgroup.
*WHERE TO FIND THE ARCHIVE*
The archive of this newsgroup will be kept intact at https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.firefox/
As with other newsgroups that have been shuttered in the past, the
archive will be read-only.
If you're using Thunderbird, you can also download all messages before
the news server is shut down.
1. In your Local Folders account, create a new folder called "mozilla.support.firefox"
2. Open the newsgroup, then go to Edit-->Select-->All.
3. Go to Message-->Move_to-->Local_Folders-->mozilla.support.firefox
NOTE: There are over 190,000 messages, so it will take a long time to download. You may want to select batches of messages instead of
selecting all.
*WHERE TO GO FOR SUPPORT*
The primary Firefox support forum is at https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/firefox?show=all
Other languages can be found at https://support.mozilla.org/kb/get-community-support
If you prefer newsgroups, there may be newsgroups on Usenet where you
can find Firefox support. If not, try netscape.public.mozilla.browser.
*WHY THIS IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for many
years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and moved
to https://discourse.mozilla.org/
Even though a support web forum already exists, the support
newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server.
*WHERE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ANNOUNCEMENT*
You can reply to this post, and I'll try to answer any questions.
If you have questions after the shutdown, you can find me in the
#firefox chat room at
https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#firefox:mozilla.org or the #sumo chat
room at https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#SUMO:mozilla.org
My display name on chat.mozilla.org is cilias
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
*WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN*
lists.mozilla.org: April 3
news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3
*WHAT YOU WILL EXPERIENCE*
Because all posts to this newsgroup go through the mailing list, no
messages will be approved after April 3. You will still be able to
access news.mozilla.org, but there will be no new posts in this
newsgroup after that. If you try to post a message, it will just not appear.
Sometime after that, Giganews will shut down news.mozilla.org, and you
will no longer be able to access the newsgroup.
*WHERE TO FIND THE ARCHIVE*
The archive of this newsgroup will be kept intact at >https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.firefox/
As with other newsgroups that have been shuttered in the past, the
archive will be read-only.
If you're using Thunderbird, you can also download all messages before
the news server is shut down.
1. In your Local Folders account, create a new folder called >"mozilla.support.firefox"
2. Open the newsgroup, then go to Edit-->Select-->All.
3. Go to Message-->Move_to-->Local_Folders-->mozilla.support.firefox
NOTE: There are over 190,000 messages, so it will take a long time to >download. You may want to select batches of messages instead of
selecting all.
*WHERE TO GO FOR SUPPORT*
The primary Firefox support forum is at >https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/firefox?show=all
Other languages can be found at >https://support.mozilla.org/kb/get-community-support
If you prefer newsgroups, there may be newsgroups on Usenet where you
can find Firefox support. If not, try netscape.public.mozilla.browser.
*WHY THIS IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for many
years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and moved
to https://discourse.mozilla.org/
Even though a support web forum already exists, the support
newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server.
*WHERE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ANNOUNCEMENT*
You can reply to this post, and I'll try to answer any questions.
If you have questions after the shutdown, you can find me in the
#firefox chat room at
https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#firefox:mozilla.org or the #sumo chat
room at https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#SUMO:mozilla.org
My display name on chat.mozilla.org is cilias
Well, I stopped using TB and Firefox is a secondary browser almost
never used because it has too many problems after updates.
KenW
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
*WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN*
lists.mozilla.org: April 3
news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3
Chris Ilias wrote:
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
Indicate any support for alt.comp.software.firefox
over in alt.config
news:icaoinFfmvU1@mid.individual.net
On 27/03/21 20:11, Chris Ilias wrote:
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*Death of Usenet
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
*WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN*
lists.mozilla.org: April 3
news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3
Film at 11
:-(
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
*WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN*
lists.mozilla.org: April 3
news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3
*WHAT YOU WILL EXPERIENCE*
Because all posts to this newsgroup go through the mailing list, no
messages will be approved after April 3. You will still be able to
access news.mozilla.org, but there will be no new posts in this
newsgroup after that. If you try to post a message, it will just not
appear.
Sometime after that, Giganews will shut down news.mozilla.org, and you
will no longer be able to access the newsgroup.
*WHERE TO FIND THE ARCHIVE*
The archive of this newsgroup will be kept intact at https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.firefox/
As with other newsgroups that have been shuttered in the past, the
archive will be read-only.
If you're using Thunderbird, you can also download all messages before
the news server is shut down.
1. In your Local Folders account, create a new folder called "mozilla.support.firefox"
2. Open the newsgroup, then go to Edit-->Select-->All.
3. Go to Message-->Move_to-->Local_Folders-->mozilla.support.firefox
NOTE: There are over 190,000 messages, so it will take a long time to download. You may want to select batches of messages instead of
selecting all.
*WHERE TO GO FOR SUPPORT*
The primary Firefox support forum is at https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/firefox?show=all
Other languages can be found at https://support.mozilla.org/kb/get-community-support
If you prefer newsgroups, there may be newsgroups on Usenet where you
can find Firefox support. If not, try netscape.public.mozilla.browser.
*WHY THIS IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for many
years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and moved
to https://discourse.mozilla.org/
Even though a support web forum already exists, the support
newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server.
*WHERE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ANNOUNCEMENT*
You can reply to this post, and I'll try to answer any questions.
If you have questions after the shutdown, you can find me in the
#firefox chat room at
https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#firefox:mozilla.org or the #sumo chat
room at https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#SUMO:mozilla.org
My display name on chat.mozilla.org is cilias
I haven't seen any announcement from my Usenet-News account that it was shutting down its server.
So, if Firefox (and, presumably, thence, Thunderbird) is no longer going
to be supported, does this mean that the Borg - Microsoft - has
assimilated Mozzilla, and that Thunderbird and Firefox will disappear
into the Borg?
On 27/03/21 20:11, Chris Ilias wrote:
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
*WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN*
lists.mozilla.org: April 3
news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3
Death of Usenet
Film at 11
:-(
WaltS48 wrote:
I haven't seen any announcement from my Usenet-News account that it
was shutting down its server.
Your ISP's server shouldn't be peering with news.mozilla.org as
mozilla don't support that, and once news.mozilla.org is shutdown, it
won't have anything to peer with.
On 2021-03-28 8:52 a.m., Bret Busby wrote:
So, if Firefox (and, presumably, thence, Thunderbird) is no longer going
to be supported, does this mean that the Borg - Microsoft - has
assimilated Mozzilla, and that Thunderbird and Firefox will disappear
into the Borg?
Hi Bret,
Firefox and Thunderbird are still supported. The support forum is at support.mozilla.org. You can always ask questions there. It's just lists.mozilla.org and news.mozilla.org that are shutting down.
--
Mailing list/Newsgroup moderator
On 28/03/2021, Chris Ilias <nmo9@ilias.ca> wrote:
Firefox and Thunderbird are still supported. The support forum is at
support.mozilla.org. You can always ask questions there. It's just
lists.mozilla.org and news.mozilla.org that are shutting down.
But no longer a support mailing list?
On 27/03/21 20:11, Chris Ilias wrote:
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
*WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN*
lists.mozilla.org: April 3
news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3
Death of Usenet
Film at 11
:-(
Chris Ilias wrote:
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
Indicate any support for alt.comp.software.firefox
over in alt.config
Firefox and Thunderbird are still supported. The support forum is at support.mozilla.org.
On 2021-03-28 4:10 a.m., Molly Mockford wrote:
On 27/03/21 20:11, Chris Ilias wrote:
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
*WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN*
lists.mozilla.org: April 3
news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3
Death of Usenet
Film at 11
:-(
I'm flattered that you think the death of this newsgroup means the death
of Usenet, but I should point out that this newsgroup is not fed to
Usenet. :)
On 2021-03-28 11:05 a.m., Bret Busby wrote:
On 28/03/2021, Chris Ilias <nmo9@ilias.ca> wrote:
Firefox and Thunderbird are still supported. The support forum is at
support.mozilla.org. You can always ask questions there. It's just
lists.mozilla.org and news.mozilla.org that are shutting down.
But no longer a support mailing list?
That's correct. Historically, this has never been the primary place for support, and the amount of traffic is 10 times less than the official
support forum.
--
Mailing list/Newsgroup moderator
On 28/03/2021, Chris Ilias <nmo9@ilias.ca> wrote:
That's correct. Historically, this has never been the primary place for
support, and the amount of traffic is 10 times less than the official
support forum.
I realise that others will disagree with me, but, to me, the ending of support via mailing list(s) is the end of support.
forum things are too much trouble - I would have to log in to a
hundred or so forum things every day, then traverse through the forum
things, to be able to get the benefits from mailing lists. Each day
does not have enough hours, to have to deal with forum things. forum
things and their usage, are dangerous. Who can remember hundreds of passwords?
I realise that others will disagree with me, but, to me, the ending of support via mailing list(s) is the end of support.
On 2021-03-28 3:04 p.m., Bret Busby wrote:
On 28/03/2021, Chris Ilias <nmo9@ilias.ca> wrote:
That's correct. Historically, this has never been the primary place for
support, and the amount of traffic is 10 times less than the official
support forum.
I realise that others will disagree with me, but, to me, the ending of
support via mailing list(s) is the end of support.
forum things are too much trouble - I would have to log in to a
hundred or so forum things every day, then traverse through the forum
things, to be able to get the benefits from mailing lists. Each day
does not have enough hours, to have to deal with forum things. forum
things and their usage, are dangerous. Who can remember hundreds of
passwords?
Hi Bret,
For both convenience and security, the general recommendation in the
industry for many years has been to use a password manager. There are
many that are available, and Firefox even has one built-in - https://support.mozilla.org/kb/password-manager-remember-delete-edit-logins
I should also mention that the support forum at support.mozilla.org
includes email notifications. When you ask a question, answers will be emailed to you. If there is a thread you would like to subscribe to,
there is a button on the sidebar called "Get email updates".
--
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Chris Ilias wrote:
Firefox and Thunderbird are still supported. The support forum is at
support.mozilla.org.
No forum, and I repeat NO FORUM, can replace Usenet and its newsgroups,
and in particular its list of newsgroups, its ease of subscribing and
its easo of having everything in one place, without the need of having
visit and log into a zillion of separate forums. Not feeding the m.s. newsgroups into Usenet in my view has been the biggest mistake Mozilla
had made. And now it's only getting worse.
Please advise how many subscribers this list has.
Thank you in anticipation.
news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3
Indicate any support for alt.comp.software.firefox
over in alt.config
news:icaoinFfmvU1@mid.individual.net
On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:11:20 -0400, Chris Ilias wrote:
news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3
You should at least give us enough time to start up an RFD to create new newsgroups in alt.*.
On 29/3/21 3:58 am, Chris Ilias wrote:
On 2021-03-28 3:48 p.m., Bret Busby wrote:
Please advise how many subscribers this list has.
Thank you in anticipation.
Hi Bret,
I'm not that number would be useful. The large majority of posts here
are via NNTP, not the mailing list.
There are also duplicate members (with more than one address), and
people would subscribe solely for archiving.
Why do you want to know the total amount of subscribers?
When ancestry.com shut down all of its (about 57,000) rootsweb.com
genealogy mailing lists, I, and other list administrators, moved lists (started up new lists, and invited our members at rootsweb.com, to
subscribe to the replacement lists.
I administer multiple mailing lists at groups.io, now (I used to
administer somewhere around 20-30 or so, I believe, at rootsweb.com).
After we transferred our mailing lists to groups.io, (that was about a
year ago, I think), in the last couple or few months, apparently,
groups.io imposed a maximum number of subscribers on the free mailing
lists, to 100.
If you view the web pages at
https://groups.io/static/pricing
and
https://groups.io/static/compare
you can see to what I am referring.
I am willing to start up a replacement list on groups.io, to replace
this list, as I did with the rootsweb lists (I transferred most of my
lists, and, took on some new ones, merged others that were administered
by others, with the other list administrators' permission, and,
suggested a new merged list, of which I am a moderator, that has, I
think, around 500 subscribers), if you do not object (as you are the
list administrator of this list, I believe it would be improper for me
to start a new replacement list, without your permission, unless you explicitly state that you are not interested in starting up a new
replacement list at groups.io, or elsewhere, yourself).
But, this household suffered a 150AUD cut to disposable household
income, due to the coronavirus economic effects, and, I do not want to
have to pay out money for providing a free service to others.
groups.io provides for a facility, for donations to be made, for paying
for a list, I think, but, I have no idea as to how many subscribers this
list has.
So, if this list has less than 100 subscribers, I would be willing to
set up a new replacement mailing list, as I did with the rootsweb
genealogy mailing lists, and, subscribers to this list, would be free to join, if they want.
Thus do I ask how many subscribers, this list has.
On 2021-03-28 3:48 p.m., Bret Busby wrote:
Please advise how many subscribers this list has.
Thank you in anticipation.
Hi Bret,
I'm not that number would be useful. The large majority of posts here
are via NNTP, not the mailing list.
There are also duplicate members (with more than one address), and
people would subscribe solely for archiving.
Why do you want to know the total amount of subscribers?
On 29/3/21 3:58 am, Chris Ilias wrote:
On 2021-03-28 3:48 p.m., Bret Busby wrote:
Please advise how many subscribers this list has.
Thank you in anticipation.
Hi Bret,
I'm not that number would be useful. The large majority of posts here
are via NNTP, not the mailing list.
There are also duplicate members (with more than one address), and
people would subscribe solely for archiving.
Why do you want to know the total amount of subscribers?
When ancestry.com shut down all of its (about 57,000) rootsweb.com
genealogy mailing lists, I, and other list administrators, moved lists (started up new lists, and invited our members at rootsweb.com, to
subscribe to the replacement lists.
I administer multiple mailing lists at groups.io, now (I used to
administer somewhere around 20-30 or so, I believe, at rootsweb.com).
After we transferred our mailing lists to groups.io, (that was about a
year ago, I think), in the last couple or few months, apparently,
groups.io imposed a maximum number of subscribers on the free mailing
lists, to 100.
If you view the web pages at
https://groups.io/static/pricing
and
https://groups.io/static/compare
you can see to what I am referring.
I am willing to start up a replacement list on groups.io, to replace
this list, as I did with the rootsweb lists (I transferred most of my
lists, and, took on some new ones, merged others that were administered
by others, with the other list administrators' permission, and,
suggested a new merged list, of which I am a moderator, that has, I
think, around 500 subscribers), if you do not object (as you are the
list administrator of this list, I believe it would be improper for me
to start a new replacement list, without your permission, unless you explicitly state that you are not interested in starting up a new
replacement list at groups.io, or elsewhere, yourself).
But, this household suffered a 150AUD cut
to disposable household
income, due to the coronavirus economic effects, and, I do not want to
have to pay out money for providing a free service to others.
groups.io provides for a facility, for donations to be made, for paying
for a list, I think, but, I have no idea as to how many subscribers this
list has.
So, if this list has less than 100 subscribers, I would be willing to
set up a new replacement mailing list, as I did with the rootsweb
genealogy mailing lists, and, subscribers to this list, would be free to join, if they want.
Thus do I ask how many subscribers, this list has.
First you need to start up an RFD with the name of the newsgroup(s), a charter with the dos and donts (banning HTML goes without saying) etc.
Chris Ilias wrote:
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
:(
No forum, and I repeat NO FORUM, can replace Usenet and its newsgroups,
...
without the need of having visit and log into a zillion of separate
forums.
Hi sb,
I have no control over the schedule. If you need an interim group, you
can use the one I mentioned in the original post. I also remember alt.fan.mozilla when I was on Usenet; you can use that as well.
First you need to start up an RFD with the name of the newsgroup(s), a charter with the dos and donts (banning HTML goes without saying) etc.
I'm working on mk2 of the proposals in alt.config to include charter and justification sections ...
s|b wrote:
I checked my logs to see how a new be.* newsgroup was created a long
time ago. It seems alt.config is a bit different.
Yes, it's "informal" I think I'm doing it right, never done it before,
not quite sure I see the point of the 7 day waiting time, there's barely
any comment going on.
I might just short-cut the process and send the newgroup message early,
then I can start with persuading news server operators to actually carry
it on *their* server, coverage will be patchy at the start, it could
need people to contact their own server operator to add it ...
I checked my logs to see how a new be.* newsgroup was created a long
time ago. It seems alt.config is a bit different.
If I remember correctly, there was a voting procedure among potential
users in order to create a new group.
Is that still so? If it is, how do
we vote yes? Perhaps the size of the vote might determine servers`
desire to carry the new groups. More information would be helpful.
*WHY THIS IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for many
years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and moved
to https://discourse.mozilla.org/
Even though a support web forum already exists, the support
newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server.
Chris Ilias wrote:
*WHY THIS IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for many
years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and moved
to https://discourse.mozilla.org/
Even though a support web forum already exists, the support
newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server.
This doesn't really answer the question, it just says it's happening
because it has been happening for years.
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:31:41 -0400, Chris Ilias wrote:
Hi sb,
I have no control over the schedule. If you need an interim group, you
can use the one I mentioned in the original post. I also remember
alt.fan.mozilla when I was on Usenet; you can use that as well.
Yes, I've read that. Sorry about my rather impulsive reaction. It would
have been nice to have more time to set up some (Usenet) alternatives.
There is no vote, I made the mistake of thinking that informally the
number of "yes I'd use it" messages in support would help the case,
but apparently not really, it's a bit wild west ...
This looks plausible. I think you can just send a newgroup control
message and see what happens.
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes:
There is no vote, I made the mistake of thinking that informally the
number of "yes I'd use it" messages in support would help the case,
but apparently not really, it's a bit wild west ...
You should never pay any attention to Adam H. Kerman.
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
*WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN*
lists.mozilla.org: April 3
news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3
*WHAT YOU WILL EXPERIENCE*
Because all posts to this newsgroup go through the mailing list, no
messages will be approved after April 3. You will still be able to
access news.mozilla.org, but there will be no new posts in this
newsgroup after that. If you try to post a message, it will just not
appear.
Sometime after that, Giganews will shut down news.mozilla.org, and you
will no longer be able to access the newsgroup.
*WHERE TO FIND THE ARCHIVE*
The archive of this newsgroup will be kept intact at https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.firefox/
As with other newsgroups that have been shuttered in the past, the
archive will be read-only.
If you're using Thunderbird, you can also download all messages before
the news server is shut down.
1. In your Local Folders account, create a new folder called "mozilla.support.firefox"
2. Open the newsgroup, then go to Edit-->Select-->All.
3. Go to Message-->Move_to-->Local_Folders-->mozilla.support.firefox
NOTE: There are over 190,000 messages, so it will take a long time to download. You may want to select batches of messages instead of
selecting all.
*WHERE TO GO FOR SUPPORT*
The primary Firefox support forum is at https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/firefox?show=all
Other languages can be found at https://support.mozilla.org/kb/get-community-support
If you prefer newsgroups, there may be newsgroups on Usenet where you
can find Firefox support. If not, try netscape.public.mozilla.browser.
*WHY THIS IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for many
years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and moved
to https://discourse.mozilla.org/
Even though a support web forum already exists, the support
newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server.
*WHERE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ANNOUNCEMENT*
You can reply to this post, and I'll try to answer any questions.
If you have questions after the shutdown, you can find me in the
#firefox chat room at
https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#firefox:mozilla.org or the #sumo chat
room at https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#SUMO:mozilla.org
My display name on chat.mozilla.org is cilias
My bloviated meandering follows what Andy Burns graced us with on
4/2/2021 12:25 PM:
Chris Ilias wrote:
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
The three new groups
alt.comp.software.firefox
alt.comp.software.thunderbird
alt.comp.software.seamonkey
have been created, no doubt population around the various usenet
servers will be slow. At the moment they only exist on news.aioe.org
and one or two other servers, I've requested them on a few servers
that I use, but will request them on more servers over the next few
days. If they don't show up on servers that you use, feel free to
request them there.
Treat the new groups as substitutes for
mozilla.support.firefox
mozilla.support.thunderbird
mozilla.support.seamonkey
Clearly the new groups are not affiliated with Mozilla in any way, and
will provide user-to-user support, hoping to see familiar faces there,
play nice ...
Any chance you can create:
alt.comp.moz.general or
alt.comp.moz.ot
group to replace the mozilla.general for extended off-topic discussions?
My bloviated meandering follows what Andy Burns graced us with on
4/2/2021 12:25 PM:
The three new groups
alt.comp.software.firefox
alt.comp.software.thunderbird
alt.comp.software.seamonkey
Any chance you can create:
alt.comp.moz.general or
alt.comp.moz.ot
group to replace the mozilla.general for extended off-topic discussions?
Any chance you can create:
alt.comp.moz.general or
alt.comp.moz.ot
group to replace the mozilla.general for extended off-topic discussions?
Chris Ilias wrote:
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
The three new groups
alt.comp.software.firefox
alt.comp.software.thunderbird
alt.comp.software.seamonkey
have been created, no doubt population around the various usenet servers
will be slow. At the moment they only exist on news.aioe.org and one or
two other servers, I've requested them on a few servers that I use, but
will request them on more servers over the next few days. If they don't
show up on servers that you use, feel free to request them there.
Treat the new groups as substitutes for
mozilla.support.firefox
mozilla.support.thunderbird
mozilla.support.seamonkey
Clearly the new groups are not affiliated with Mozilla in any way, and
will provide user-to-user support, hoping to see familiar faces there,
play nice ...
Op 27-3-2021 om 21:11 schreef Chris Ilias:
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
Just reading this now, I am disappointed about this decision
and the short time we get to find an solution (6 days, and for me 1 day...)
*WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN*
lists.mozilla.org: April 3
news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3
*WHAT YOU WILL EXPERIENCE*
Because all posts to this newsgroup go through the mailing list, no
messages will be approved after April 3. You will still be able to
access news.mozilla.org, but there will be no new posts in this
newsgroup after that. If you try to post a message, it will just not
appear.
Sometime after that, Giganews will shut down news.mozilla.org, and you
will no longer be able to access the newsgroup.
Any idea when the newsserver will be shut down?
*WHERE TO FIND THE ARCHIVE*
The archive of this newsgroup will be kept intact at
https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.firefox/
As with other newsgroups that have been shuttered in the past, the
archive will be read-only.
I stay away from google if possible, because Google does not respect
my privacy.
When I had a smartphone, they copied all my private pictures to their
servers and I could not delete those.
Google makes a profile of me and remembers everything, even
if I forget it. No possibility to delete that.
It's the world upside down to create an account just to say that they
are not allowed to remember anything (which is not done, because
they have to remember this).
If you're using Thunderbird, you can also download all messages before
the news server is shut down.
1. In your Local Folders account, create a new folder called
"mozilla.support.firefox"
2. Open the newsgroup, then go to Edit-->Select-->All.
3. Go to Message-->Move_to-->Local_Folders-->mozilla.support.firefox
NOTE: There are over 190,000 messages, so it will take a long time to
download. You may want to select batches of messages instead of
selecting all.
Everybody has to copy a complete newsgroup on his own PC?
Is it possible (and allowed by mozilla) that other newsservers like eternal-september, aioe and neodome, can peer with you, so that
your newsgroups about firefox, thunderbird and seamonkey can
continue on their newsservers?
*WHERE TO GO FOR SUPPORT*
The primary Firefox support forum is at
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/firefox?show=all
Other languages can be found at
https://support.mozilla.org/kb/get-community-support
As an autist I cannot handle forums. If I ask a question on one day,
I cannot find my question the next day and of course I cannot find the answers.
If you prefer newsgroups, there may be newsgroups on Usenet where you
can find Firefox support. If not, try netscape.public.mozilla.browser.
I only knew:
de.comm.software.mozilla.browser (= Firefox)
de.comm.software.mozilla.mailnews (= Thunderbird)
but they are in German of course.
(a language which is even more difficult for me than English)
alt.fan.mozilla is a spam group.
Today I started to read:
netscape.public.mozilla.browser
netscape.public.mozilla.general
netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news
netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey
and see a sudden activity in the last newsgroup from 29 March
Andy is busy to create
alt.comp.software.firefox
alt.comp.software.thunderbird
alt.comp.software.seamonkey
but I cannot find them on my 3 newsservers, yet.
Is it possible to mention these 3 new newsgroups in the mozilla
newsgroups before the mozilla newsserver is closing down?
*WHY THIS IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for
many years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and
moved to https://discourse.mozilla.org/
Even though a support web forum already exists, the support
newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server.
As more people mentioned this is not answerring the Why question,
but the How question.
Thank you for mentioning the discourse site.
Will this site stay?
*WHERE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ANNOUNCEMENT*
You can reply to this post, and I'll try to answer any questions.
If you have questions after the shutdown, you can find me in the
#firefox chat room at
https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#firefox:mozilla.org or the #sumo chat
room at https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#SUMO:mozilla.org
My display name on chat.mozilla.org is cilias
I thank you for all your good work on usenet and the patience you had
with us.....
Rink
In mozilla.support.firefox,
Sailfish <NIXCAPSsailfish@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com> wrote:
My bloviated meandering follows what Andy Burns graced us with on
4/2/2021 12:25 PM:
The three new groups
alt.comp.software.firefox
alt.comp.software.thunderbird
alt.comp.software.seamonkey
Not here yet, I'll have to ask for them.
Any chance you can create:
alt.comp.moz.general or
alt.comp.moz.ot
Probably not going to happen.
group to replace the mozilla.general for extended off-topic discussions?
Try comp.misc for general extended computer related discussion. It's resononably active.
For completely off-topic, threre's always misc.misc. I'm not a regular
there and it looks almost entirely dead.
Elijah
------
there's way too many groups for more general off-topic ones
Sailfish wrote:
Any chance you can create:
alt.comp.moz.general or
alt.comp.moz.ot
group to replace the mozilla.general for extended off-topic discussions?
I'm going to say "let's see how it goes first", because I think many
threads in moz.general are from people evading Mozilla's moderation;
looking at a most of the threads they aren't "general" but specific to thunderbird or firefox ... besides I don't want to wear out my welcome
in alt.config
On 4/2/2021 3:38 PM, Sailfish wrote:
My bloviated meandering follows what Andy Burns graced us with on
4/2/2021 12:25 PM:
Chris Ilias wrote:
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
The three new groups
alt.comp.software.firefox
alt.comp.software.thunderbird
alt.comp.software.seamonkey
have been created, no doubt population around the various usenet
servers will be slow. At the moment they only exist on news.aioe.org
and one or two other servers, I've requested them on a few servers
that I use, but will request them on more servers over the next few
days. If they don't show up on servers that you use, feel free to
request them there.
Treat the new groups as substitutes for
mozilla.support.firefox
mozilla.support.thunderbird
mozilla.support.seamonkey
Clearly the new groups are not affiliated with Mozilla in any way, and
will provide user-to-user support, hoping to see familiar faces there,
play nice ...
Any chance you can create:
alt.comp.moz.general or
alt.comp.moz.ot
group to replace the mozilla.general for extended off-topic discussions?
I would have thought that you understood that almost all of almost all
of the threads on USENET are off topic - even the topic of their thread.
I would have thought that you understood that almost all of almost all
of the threads on USENET are off topic - even the topic of their thread.
On 2021-04-02 4:34 p.m., Rink wrote:
Op 27-3-2021 om 21:11 schreef Chris Ilias:
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
Just reading this now, I am disappointed about this decision
and the short time we get to find an solution (6 days, and for me 1
day...)
*WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN*
lists.mozilla.org: April 3
news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3
*WHAT YOU WILL EXPERIENCE*
Because all posts to this newsgroup go through the mailing list, no
messages will be approved after April 3. You will still be able to
access news.mozilla.org, but there will be no new posts in this
newsgroup after that. If you try to post a message, it will just not
appear.
Sometime after that, Giganews will shut down news.mozilla.org, and
you will no longer be able to access the newsgroup.
Any idea when the newsserver will be shut down?
*WHERE TO FIND THE ARCHIVE*
The archive of this newsgroup will be kept intact at
https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.firefox/
As with other newsgroups that have been shuttered in the past, the
archive will be read-only.
I stay away from google if possible, because Google does not respect
my privacy.
When I had a smartphone, they copied all my private pictures to their
servers and I could not delete those.
Google makes a profile of me and remembers everything, even
if I forget it. No possibility to delete that.
It's the world upside down to create an account just to say that they
are not allowed to remember anything (which is not done, because
they have to remember this).
If you're using Thunderbird, you can also download all messages
before the news server is shut down.
1. In your Local Folders account, create a new folder called
"mozilla.support.firefox"
2. Open the newsgroup, then go to Edit-->Select-->All.
3. Go to Message-->Move_to-->Local_Folders-->mozilla.support.firefox
NOTE: There are over 190,000 messages, so it will take a long time to
download. You may want to select batches of messages instead of
selecting all.
Everybody has to copy a complete newsgroup on his own PC?
Is it possible (and allowed by mozilla) that other newsservers like
eternal-september, aioe and neodome, can peer with you, so that
your newsgroups about firefox, thunderbird and seamonkey can
continue on their newsservers?
*WHERE TO GO FOR SUPPORT*
The primary Firefox support forum is at
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/firefox?show=all
Other languages can be found at
https://support.mozilla.org/kb/get-community-support
As an autist I cannot handle forums. If I ask a question on one day,
I cannot find my question the next day and of course I cannot find the
answers.
If you prefer newsgroups, there may be newsgroups on Usenet where you
can find Firefox support. If not, try netscape.public.mozilla.browser.
I only knew:
de.comm.software.mozilla.browser (= Firefox)
de.comm.software.mozilla.mailnews (= Thunderbird)
but they are in German of course.
(a language which is even more difficult for me than English)
alt.fan.mozilla is a spam group.
Today I started to read:
netscape.public.mozilla.browser
netscape.public.mozilla.general
netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news
netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey
and see a sudden activity in the last newsgroup from 29 March
Andy is busy to create
alt.comp.software.firefox
alt.comp.software.thunderbird
alt.comp.software.seamonkey
but I cannot find them on my 3 newsservers, yet.
Is it possible to mention these 3 new newsgroups in the mozilla
newsgroups before the mozilla newsserver is closing down?
*WHY THIS IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for
many years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down
and moved to https://discourse.mozilla.org/
Even though a support web forum already exists, the support
newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server.
As more people mentioned this is not answerring the Why question,
but the How question.
Thank you for mentioning the discourse site.
Will this site stay?
*WHERE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ANNOUNCEMENT*
You can reply to this post, and I'll try to answer any questions.
If you have questions after the shutdown, you can find me in the
#firefox chat room at
https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#firefox:mozilla.org or the #sumo
chat room at https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#SUMO:mozilla.org
My display name on chat.mozilla.org is cilias
I thank you for all your good work on usenet and the patience you had
with us.....
Rink
Hi Rink,
To address some of your comments:
* I'm not sure what you mean by "short time we get to find an solution". There is a solution in my post in the section "WHERE TO GO FOR SUPPORT"
* I don't know the exact date/time news.mozilla.org will shut down. It's hosted by Giganews, so they may take a while to shut it down, or they
may be prompt.
* No-one is obligated to download the newsgroup messages. That's just an option for those who want to keep the messages Thunderbird.
* Peering with other news servers to propagate these newsgroups is not allowed.
* On support.mozilla.org, if you post a question, you will receive an
email notification of each reply, including the content of the reply and
a link to the thread on the site. In addition, when you visit your own profile, there is a link to list all the questions you've asked. You can
also hover your profile icon and click "My Questions". Here's a
screenshot: <https://ilias.ca/screenshots/sumo-myquestions.png>
* There are so many reason why this is happening, we don't have time to
go through all of them. A good starting point is <https://wiki.mozilla.org/Discussion_Forums/Problem_Statement>
I've also addressed some follow-up questions at <https://groups.google.com/g/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/c/KzPFLg49mFo/m/j_4CZghiBAAJ>
If you have any followup questions about why, you can ask in here.
* Discourse.mozilla.org was set up to replace the mailing lists and newsgroups, so yes, it's staying. :)
I thank you for all your good work on usenet and the patience you had
with us.....
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
*WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN*
lists.mozilla.org: April 3
news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3
*WHAT YOU WILL EXPERIENCE*
Because all posts to this newsgroup go through the mailing list, no
messages will be approved after April 3. You will still be able to
access news.mozilla.org, but there will be no new posts in this
newsgroup after that. If you try to post a message, it will just not
appear.
Sometime after that, Giganews will shut down news.mozilla.org, and you
will no longer be able to access the newsgroup.
*WHERE TO FIND THE ARCHIVE*
The archive of this newsgroup will be kept intact at https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.firefox/
As with other newsgroups that have been shuttered in the past, the
archive will be read-only.
If you're using Thunderbird, you can also download all messages before
the news server is shut down.
1. In your Local Folders account, create a new folder called "mozilla.support.firefox"
2. Open the newsgroup, then go to Edit-->Select-->All.
3. Go to Message-->Move_to-->Local_Folders-->mozilla.support.firefox
NOTE: There are over 190,000 messages, so it will take a long time to download. You may want to select batches of messages instead of
selecting all.
*WHERE TO GO FOR SUPPORT*
The primary Firefox support forum is at https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/firefox?show=all
Other languages can be found at https://support.mozilla.org/kb/get-community-support
If you prefer newsgroups, there may be newsgroups on Usenet where you
can find Firefox support. If not, try netscape.public.mozilla.browser.
*WHY THIS IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for many
years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and moved
to https://discourse.mozilla.org/
Even though a support web forum already exists, the support
newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server.
*WHERE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ANNOUNCEMENT*
You can reply to this post, and I'll try to answer any questions.
If you have questions after the shutdown, you can find me in the
#firefox chat room at
https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#firefox:mozilla.org or the #sumo chat
room at https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#SUMO:mozilla.org
My display name on chat.mozilla.org is cilias
...*WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN*
lists.mozilla.org: April 3
news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3
I am using hosting news as my usenet provider, and I am still can see
there is message in this groups.
is it possible it shut down only for certain usenet server / provider
or something like that?
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|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 296 |
| Nodes: | 16 (3 / 13) |
| Uptime: | 51:46:01 |
| Calls: | 6,650 |
| Calls today: | 2 |
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