• Thunderbird is still archiving telemetry?

    From John C.@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 28 08:32:35 2021
    Despite my having opted out of "Thunderbird Data Collection" (Options/Thunderbird Data Collection and Use/Uncheck both "Allow
    Thunderbird to send technical and interaction data to Mozilla" and
    "Allow Thunderbird to send backlooged crashreports on your behalf")

    I notice that the program keeps archiving datareporting in this folder:

    "C:\Users\Computer User\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird\Profiles\(my profile name).default\datareporting\archived\2021-02"

    Worse yet, it doesn't seem to ever delete any of the JSONLZ4 files so
    that the folder just gets bigger and bigger.

    Can anybody tell me why this is happening and how to stop Thunderbird
    from doing this?

    TIA
    --
    John C.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Andrei Z.@21:1/5 to John C. on Mon Mar 1 09:09:58 2021
    John C. wrote:
    Despite my having opted out of "Thunderbird Data Collection" (Options/Thunderbird Data Collection and Use/Uncheck both "Allow
    Thunderbird to send technical and interaction data to Mozilla" and
    "Allow Thunderbird to send backlooged crashreports on your behalf")

    I notice that the program keeps archiving datareporting in this folder:

    "C:\Users\Computer User\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird\Profiles\(my profile name).default\datareporting\archived\2021-02"

    Worse yet, it doesn't seem to ever delete any of the JSONLZ4 files so
    that the folder just gets bigger and bigger.

    Can anybody tell me why this is happening and how to stop Thunderbird
    from doing this?

    TIA

    Bug 1242652 - The size of the folder(ProfD\datareporting\archived) is
    growing unlimited
    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1242652
    Closed: "The archives are kept for a maximum of 180 days or 120MB, by
    design."

    (Nightly/Inbound) the 'datareporting' folder grows too much •
    mozillaZine Forums
    http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2986235 user_pref("toolkit.telemetry.archive.enabled", false); seems to control
    the archive folder.

    How to disable the Firefox Saved Telemetry Pings and archive folder -
    gHacks Tech News https://www.ghacks.net/2015/11/09/how-to-disable-the-firefox-saved-telemetry-pings-and-archive-folder/
    "The preference toolkit.telemetry.archive.enabled defines whether local archiving of telemetry pings is enabled or not. The preference depends
    on toolkit.telemetry.unified and works only if unified is turned on."

    I set toolkit.telemetry.unified to false - no new files.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John C.@21:1/5 to Andrei Z. on Mon Mar 1 03:53:11 2021
    Andrei Z. wrote:
    John C. wrote:
    Despite my having opted out of "Thunderbird Data Collection"
    (Options/Thunderbird Data Collection and Use/Uncheck both "Allow
    Thunderbird to send technical and interaction data to Mozilla" and
    "Allow Thunderbird to send backlooged crashreports on your behalf")

    I notice that the program keeps archiving datareporting in this folder:

    "C:\Users\Computer User\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird\Profiles\(my profile
    name).default\datareporting\archived\2021-02"

    Worse yet, it doesn't seem to ever delete any of the JSONLZ4 files so
    that the folder just gets bigger and bigger.

    Can anybody tell me why this is happening and how to stop Thunderbird
    from doing this?

    TIA

    Bug 1242652 - The size of the folder(ProfD\datareporting\archived) is
    growing unlimited
    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1242652
    Closed: "The archives are kept for a maximum of 180 days or 120MB, by design."

    (Nightly/Inbound) the 'datareporting' folder grows too much •
    mozillaZine Forums
    http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2986235 user_pref("toolkit.telemetry.archive.enabled", false); seems to control
    the archive folder.

    How to disable the Firefox Saved Telemetry Pings and archive folder -
    gHacks Tech News https://www.ghacks.net/2015/11/09/how-to-disable-the-firefox-saved-telemetry-pings-and-archive-folder/

    "The preference toolkit.telemetry.archive.enabled defines whether local archiving of telemetry pings is enabled or not. The preference depends
    on toolkit.telemetry.unified and works only if unified is turned on."

    I set toolkit.telemetry.unified to false - no new files.

    Thanks very much for this info, Andrei. I just toggled that pref. I
    appreciate your help a lot and will archive it for future reference.

    --
    John C.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From obelar@21:1/5 to Andrei Z. on Wed Mar 10 12:32:55 2021
    On 3/1/2021 1:09 AM, Andrei Z. wrote:
    John C. wrote:
    Despite my having opted out of "Thunderbird Data Collection"
    (Options/Thunderbird Data Collection and Use/Uncheck both "Allow
    Thunderbird to send technical and interaction data to Mozilla" and
    "Allow Thunderbird to send backlooged crashreports on your behalf")

    I notice that the program keeps archiving datareporting in this folder:

    "C:\Users\Computer User\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird\Profiles\(my profile
    name).default\datareporting\archived\2021-02"

    Worse yet, it doesn't seem to ever delete any of the JSONLZ4 files so
    that the folder just gets bigger and bigger.

    Can anybody tell me why this is happening and how to stop Thunderbird
    from doing this?

    TIA

    Bug 1242652 - The size of the folder(ProfD\datareporting\archived) is
    growing unlimited
    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1242652
    Closed: "The archives are kept for a maximum of 180 days or 120MB, by design."

    (Nightly/Inbound) the 'datareporting' folder grows too much •
    mozillaZine Forums
    http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2986235 user_pref("toolkit.telemetry.archive.enabled", false); seems to control
    the archive folder.

    How to disable the Firefox Saved Telemetry Pings and archive folder -
    gHacks Tech News https://www.ghacks.net/2015/11/09/how-to-disable-the-firefox-saved-telemetry-pings-and-archive-folder/

    "The preference toolkit.telemetry.archive.enabled defines whether local archiving of telemetry pings is enabled or not. The preference depends
    on toolkit.telemetry.unified and works only if unified is turned on."

    I set toolkit.telemetry.unified to false - no new files.

    "toolkit.telemetry.enabled" is locked. Does this matter if the rest of
    the config options according to the ghacks article is set to its
    recommended settings?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From obelar@21:1/5 to Andrei Z. on Wed Mar 10 12:35:33 2021
    On 3/1/2021 1:09 AM, Andrei Z. wrote:
    John C. wrote:
    Despite my having opted out of "Thunderbird Data Collection"
    (Options/Thunderbird Data Collection and Use/Uncheck both "Allow
    Thunderbird to send technical and interaction data to Mozilla" and
    "Allow Thunderbird to send backlooged crashreports on your behalf")

    I notice that the program keeps archiving datareporting in this folder:

    "C:\Users\Computer User\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird\Profiles\(my profile
    name).default\datareporting\archived\2021-02"

    Worse yet, it doesn't seem to ever delete any of the JSONLZ4 files so
    that the folder just gets bigger and bigger.

    Can anybody tell me why this is happening and how to stop Thunderbird
    from doing this?

    TIA

    Bug 1242652 - The size of the folder(ProfD\datareporting\archived) is
    growing unlimited
    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1242652
    Closed: "The archives are kept for a maximum of 180 days or 120MB, by design."

    (Nightly/Inbound) the 'datareporting' folder grows too much •
    mozillaZine Forums
    http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2986235 user_pref("toolkit.telemetry.archive.enabled", false); seems to control
    the archive folder.

    How to disable the Firefox Saved Telemetry Pings and archive folder -
    gHacks Tech News https://www.ghacks.net/2015/11/09/how-to-disable-the-firefox-saved-telemetry-pings-and-archive-folder/

    "The preference toolkit.telemetry.archive.enabled defines whether local archiving of telemetry pings is enabled or not. The preference depends
    on toolkit.telemetry.unified and works only if unified is turned on."

    I set toolkit.telemetry.unified to false - no new files.

    "toolkit.telemetry.enabled" is locked. Does this matter if the rest of
    the config options according to the ghacks article is set to its
    recommended settings?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Andrei Z.@21:1/5 to obelar on Wed Mar 10 21:52:23 2021
    obelar wrote:
    On 3/1/2021 1:09 AM, Andrei Z. wrote:

    I set toolkit.telemetry.unified to false - no new files.

    "toolkit.telemetry.enabled" is locked. Does this matter if the rest of
    the config options according to the ghacks article is set to its
    recommended settings?

    Menu -> Help -> Troubleshooting Information -> about:telemetry

    ....
    "Telemetry is collecting release data and upload is disabled."
    ....

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From WaltS48@21:1/5 to Andrei Z. on Wed Mar 10 17:07:36 2021
    On 3/10/21 1:52 PM, Andrei Z. wrote:
    obelar wrote:
    On 3/1/2021 1:09 AM, Andrei Z. wrote:

    I set toolkit.telemetry.unified to false - no new files.

    "toolkit.telemetry.enabled" is locked. Does this matter if the rest
    of the config options according to the ghacks article is set to its
    recommended settings?

    Menu -> Help -> Troubleshooting Information -> about:telemetry

    ....
    "Telemetry is collecting release data and upload is disabled."
    ....


    WOW! I never looked at that before. So much interesting information there.

    Happy to be helping Mozilla make Firefox a better browser and
    Thunderbird a better email application by sharing this information.

    Really disappointed that I couldn't find any data that would identify me
    as the user.

    Would that be the "clientId 6a94f88c-7109-44f7-9f08-d0fab23ece97"?

    --
    OS: Fedora 33 Workstation - Gnome Desktop https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/get-involved/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Frank-Rainer Grahl@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 10 23:27:32 2021
    WaltS48 wrote:
    On 3/10/21 1:52 PM, Andrei Z. wrote:
    obelar wrote:
    On 3/1/2021 1:09 AM, Andrei Z. wrote:

    ....

    Really disappointed that I couldn't find any data that would identify me as the user.

    Would that be the "clientId 6a94f88c-7109-44f7-9f08-d0fab23ece97"?


    Of course not. They are the good guys rooting for privacy and aim at
    protecting your private information. There is no way this really unique id attached to crash reports and pings among other things can be used to identify a single user. For sure!

    FRG

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From WaltS48@21:1/5 to Frank-Rainer Grahl on Wed Mar 10 21:49:13 2021
    On 3/10/21 5:27 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
    WaltS48 wrote:
    On 3/10/21 1:52 PM, Andrei Z. wrote:
    obelar wrote:
    On 3/1/2021 1:09 AM, Andrei Z. wrote:

    ....

    Really disappointed that I couldn't find any data that would identify
    me as the user.

    Would that be the "clientId 6a94f88c-7109-44f7-9f08-d0fab23ece97"?


    Of course not. They are the good guys rooting for privacy and aim at protecting your private information. There is no way this really
    unique id attached to crash reports and pings among other things can
    be used to identify a single user. For sure!

    FRG

    Well, that is one clientid for one Thunderbird version of my four
    versions of Thunderbird on Fedora. If they have my name, address and
    phone number they are welcome to it.

    I think it would identify my Thunderbird version, but have they would
    have no idea who is using it.

    If enough unique id's have the same crash, use the same features or
    don't use the same features the application's can be improved.

    I hate it when something I use is removed or changed because I'm in the 0.000001% of users. 😞

    --
    OS: Fedora 33 Workstation - Gnome Desktop https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/get-involved/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Andrei Z.@21:1/5 to Frank-Rainer Grahl on Thu Mar 11 07:52:27 2021
    Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
    WaltS48 wrote:
    On 3/10/21 1:52 PM, Andrei Z. wrote:
    obelar wrote:
    On 3/1/2021 1:09 AM, Andrei Z. wrote:

    ....

    Really disappointed that I couldn't find any data that would identify
    me as the user.

    Would that be the "clientId 6a94f88c-7109-44f7-9f08-d0fab23ece97"?


    Of course not. They are the good guys rooting for privacy and aim at protecting your private information. There is no way this really unique
    id attached to crash reports and pings among other things can be used to identify a single user. For sure!

    FRG

    Telemetry collection and deletion - Firefox Help https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/telemetry-clientid

    Telemetry — Firefox Source Docs documentation https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/toolkit/components/telemetry/

    https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/toolkit/components/telemetry/data/common-ping.html

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Frank-Rainer Grahl@21:1/5 to Andrei Z. on Thu Mar 11 14:27:10 2021
    Andrei Z. wrote:
    Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
    WaltS48 wrote:
    On 3/10/21 1:52 PM, Andrei Z. wrote:
    obelar wrote:
    On 3/1/2021 1:09 AM, Andrei Z. wrote:

    ....

    Really disappointed that I couldn't find any data that would identify me as >>> the user.

    Would that be the "clientId 6a94f88c-7109-44f7-9f08-d0fab23ece97"?


    Of course not. They are the good guys rooting for privacy and aim at
    protecting your private information. There is no way this really unique id >> attached to crash reports and pings among other things can be used to
    identify a single user. For sure!

    FRG

    Telemetry collection and deletion - Firefox Help https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/telemetry-clientid

    Telemetry — Firefox Source Docs documentation https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/toolkit/components/telemetry/

    https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/toolkit/components/telemetry/data/common-ping.html


    Yes this is the party line but looking at where in the source telemetry is collected I find that this has gone out of control. And usually then used to
    to justify ripping out features and dumbing down the application with the
    usual spiel "Only blablabla% of our users are using this feature according to telemetry and we can not jutify blablabla....".

    So I will remain skeptical and not become a fan. That almost everyone is doing it now does not justify it either.

    FRG

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)