*WHAT IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
*WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN*
lists.mozilla.org: April 3
news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3
*WHAT YOU WILL EXPERIENCE*
Because all posts to this newsgroup go through the mailing list, no
messages will be approved after April 3. You will still be able to
access news.mozilla.org, but there will be no new posts in this
newsgroup after that. If you try to post a message, it will just not appear.
Sometime after that, Giganews will shut down news.mozilla.org, and you
will no longer be able to access the newsgroup.
*WHERE TO FIND THE ARCHIVE*
The archive of this newsgroup will be kept intact at >https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.thunderbird/
As with other newsgroups that have been shuttered in the past, the
archive will be read-only.
You can also download all messages before the news server is shut down.
1. In your Local Folders account, create a new folder called >"mozilla.support.thunderbird"
2. Open the newsgroup, then go to Edit-->Select-->All.
3. Go to Message-->Move_to-->Local_Folders-->mozilla.support.thunderbird >NOTE: There are over 174,000 messages, so it will take a long time to >download. You may want to select batches of messages instead of
selecting all.
*WHERE TO GO FOR SUPPORT*
The primary Thunderbird support forum is at >https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/thunderbird?show=all
Other languages can be found at >https://support.mozilla.org/kb/get-community-support
If you prefer newsgroups, there may be newsgroups on Usenet where you
can find Thunderbird support. If not, try netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news.
*WHY THIS IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for many
years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and moved
to https://discourse.mozilla.org/
Even though a support web forum already exists, the support
newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server.
*WHERE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ANNOUNCEMENT*
You can reply to this post, and I'll try to answer any questions.
If you have questions after the shutdown, you can find me in the
#thunderbird chat room at >https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#thunderbird:mozilla.org or the #sumo
chat room at https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#SUMO:mozilla.org
My display name is cilias
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
*WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN*
lists.mozilla.org: April 3
news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3
*WHAT YOU WILL EXPERIENCE*
Because all posts to this newsgroup go through the mailing list, no
messages will be approved after April 3. You will still be able to
access news.mozilla.org, but there will be no new posts in this
newsgroup after that. If you try to post a message, it will just not appear.
Sometime after that, Giganews will shut down news.mozilla.org, and you
will no longer be able to access the newsgroup.
*WHERE TO FIND THE ARCHIVE*
The archive of this newsgroup will be kept intact at https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.thunderbird/
As with other newsgroups that have been shuttered in the past, the
archive will be read-only.
You can also download all messages before the news server is shut down.
1. In your Local Folders account, create a new folder called "mozilla.support.thunderbird"
2. Open the newsgroup, then go to Edit-->Select-->All.
3. Go to Message-->Move_to-->Local_Folders-->mozilla.support.thunderbird NOTE: There are over 174,000 messages, so it will take a long time to download. You may want to select batches of messages instead of
selecting all.
*WHERE TO GO FOR SUPPORT*
The primary Thunderbird support forum is at https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/thunderbird?show=all
Other languages can be found at https://support.mozilla.org/kb/get-community-support
If you prefer newsgroups, there may be newsgroups on Usenet where you
can find Thunderbird support. If not, try netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news.
*WHY THIS IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for many
years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and moved
to https://discourse.mozilla.org/
Even though a support web forum already exists, the support
newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server.
*WHERE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ANNOUNCEMENT*
You can reply to this post, and I'll try to answer any questions.
If you have questions after the shutdown, you can find me in the
#thunderbird chat room at https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#thunderbird:mozilla.org or the #sumo
chat room at https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#SUMO:mozilla.org
My display name is cilias
On 3/27/2021 1:20 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
*WHERE TO GO FOR SUPPORT*
The primary Thunderbird support forum is at
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/thunderbird?show=all
Other languages can be found at
https://support.mozilla.org/kb/get-community-support
*WHY THIS IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for many
years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and moved
to https://discourse.mozilla.org/
Even though a support web forum already exists, the support
newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server.
Sad news. I will miss the newsgroup. I have really enjoyed the
helpful folks here. Everyone stay safe.
Yes, sad indeed. Maybe it's just because I'm old, but I've always
preferred
information to be "pushed" to me, as with incoming email, rather than "pulled" from a web forum. All my important information is pushed to my
one instance of Thunderbird, I would never be able to visit multiple web sites to keep up-to-date with all my varied information sources. I would never have seen this message if it appeared only in the web forum.
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) ..
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
Am 28.03.2021 um 06:31 schrieb Lew Wolfgang:
Yes, sad indeed. Maybe it's just because I'm old, but I've always
preferred
information to be "pushed" to me, as with incoming email, rather than
"pulled" from a web forum. All my important information is pushed to my
one instance of Thunderbird, I would never be able to visit multiple web
sites to keep up-to-date with all my varied information sources. I would >> never have seen this message if it appeared only in the web forum.
Web fora have their merits, but the need to always get registered for
your interest areas if you want to contribute is a pain compared to the
easy access in the Usenet.
Chris Ilias wrote:
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
Indicate any support for alt.comp.software.thunderbird
over in alt.config
news:icaoikFfmtU1@mid.individual.net
Andy Burns wrote:
Indicate any support for alt.comp.software.thunderbird
over in alt.config
news:icaoikFfmtU1@mid.individual.net
It would be great if that were possible. I've given my support.
Chris Ilias wrote:
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
Indicate any support for alt.comp.software.thunderbird
over in alt.config
news:icaoikFfmtU1@mid.individual.net
Am 28.03.21 um 06:31 schrieb Lew Wolfgang:
On 3/27/21 8:55 PM, BillH wrote:Same goes for me, I am following hundreds of Mailing lists and don´t
On 3/27/2021 1:20 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
*WHERE TO GO FOR SUPPORT*
The primary Thunderbird support forum is at
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/thunderbird?show=all
Other languages can be found at
https://support.mozilla.org/kb/get-community-support
*WHY THIS IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for
many
years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and
moved
to https://discourse.mozilla.org/
Even though a support web forum already exists, the support
newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server.
Sad news. I will miss the newsgroup. I have really enjoyed the
helpful folks here. Everyone stay safe.
Yes, sad indeed. Maybe it's just because I'm old, but I've always
preferred
information to be "pushed" to me, as with incoming email, rather than
"pulled" from a web forum. All my important information is pushed to my
one instance of Thunderbird, I would never be able to visit multiple web
sites to keep up-to-date with all my varied information sources. I
would
never have seen this message if it appeared only in the web forum.
Regards,
Lew
think it is possible to do that with forums.
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Am 28.03.21 um 06:31 schrieb Lew Wolfgang:I
On 3/27/21 8:55 PM, BillH wrote:
On 3/27/2021 1:20 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
*WHERE TO GO FOR SUPPORT*
The primary Thunderbird support forum is at
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/thunderbird?show=all
Other languages can be found at
https://support.mozilla.org/kb/get-community-support
*WHY THIS IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for
many
years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and
moved
to https://discourse.mozilla.org/
Even though a support web forum already exists, the support
newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server.
Sad news. I will miss the newsgroup. I have really enjoyed the
helpful folks here. Everyone stay safe.
Yes, sad indeed. Maybe it's just because I'm old, but I've always
preferred
information to be "pushed" to me, as with incoming email, rather than
"pulled" from a web forum. All my important information is pushed to my
one instance of Thunderbird, I would never be able to visit multiple web
sites to keep up-to-date with all my varied information sources.
wouldSame goes for me, I am following hundreds of Mailing lists and don´t
never have seen this message if it appeared only in the web forum.
Regards,
Lew
think it is possible to do that with forums.
On 3/28/21 3:15 AM, Dave Royal wrote:
On 27 Mar 2021 16:20:04 -0400 Chris Ilias wrote:
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*There have been so few posts recently I began to think the feeds had
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) ..
already been turned off!
I can now dump this newsreader, which I wrote because I couldn't access
m.s groups on Android.
For anyone using my addon 'Limit non-BCC Recipients' and the old
'Use BCC Instead C', you may be pleased, and amazed, to know that it
should soon be obsolete. After 17 years Mozilla is implementing this
bug:
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271405>
Goodbye everyone.
I'm still confused as to whether Thunderbird is a Mozilla product, or
just a product developed by the Thunderbird Council, which has a
financial and legal home at MZLA Co, which is a subsidiary of the
Mozilla Foundation AIUI.
On 3/28/21 11:16 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
On 3/28/21 3:15 AM, Dave Royal wrote:
On 27 Mar 2021 16:20:04 -0400 Chris Ilias wrote:
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*There have been so few posts recently I began to think the feeds had
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) ..
already been turned off!
I can now dump this newsreader, which I wrote because I couldn't access
m.s groups on Android.
For anyone using my addon 'Limit non-BCC Recipients' and the old
'Use BCC Instead C', you may be pleased, and amazed, to know that it
should soon be obsolete. After 17 years Mozilla is implementing this
bug:
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271405>
Goodbye everyone.
I'm still confused as to whether Thunderbird is a Mozilla product, or
just a product developed by the Thunderbird Council, which has a
financial and legal home at MZLA Co, which is a subsidiary of the
Mozilla Foundation AIUI.
*Regardless of financial and corporate structure, Thunderbird is
absolutely not a Mozilla product. The development and oversight was
given over to the community in 2014. *
*First and foremost, the code is open source - so Mozilla cannot own
the code. The trademark however is owned by Mozilla **_Foundation_**. *
On 27 Mar 2021 16:20:04 -0400 Chris Ilias wrote:
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*There have been so few posts recently I began to think the feeds had
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) ..
already been turned off!
I can now dump this newsreader, which I wrote because I couldn't access
m.s groups on Android.
For anyone using my addon 'Limit non-BCC Recipients' and the old
'Use BCC Instead C', you may be pleased, and amazed, to know that it
should soon be obsolete. After 17 years Mozilla is implementing this
bug:
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271405>
Goodbye everyone.
Chris Ilias wrote:
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
Indicate any support for alt.comp.software.thunderbird
over in alt.config
On 3/28/21 3:15 AM, Dave Royal wrote:
On 27 Mar 2021 16:20:04 -0400 Chris Ilias wrote:
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*There have been so few posts recently I began to think the feeds had
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) ..
already been turned off!
I can now dump this newsreader, which I wrote because I couldn't access
m.s groups on Android.
For anyone using my addon 'Limit non-BCC Recipients' and the old
'Use BCC Instead C', you may be pleased, and amazed, to know that it
should soon be obsolete. After 17 years Mozilla is implementing this
bug:
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=271405>
Goodbye everyone.
I'm still confused as to whether Thunderbird is a Mozilla product ...
I'd have to check, but I think all the web forums I have accounts for
offer notifications for replies to my posts.
Andy Burns wrote:
Chris Ilias wrote:
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
Indicate any support for alt.comp.software.thunderbird
over in alt.config
It's been gently pointed out to me that I should NOT have requested expressions of support over in alt.config, that is just for discussion
of the proposal, not "me too" posts, hopefully Chris won't object to discussion here if it's confined to this thread in the group's final few days?
It's also suggested to call any new group "alt.comp.mozilla.thunderbird" instead of "alt.comp.software.thunderbird", another user has suggested a similar group for seamonkey which I will include.
"alt.comp.mozilla.thunderbird" sounds good to me. Maybe also "alt.comp.mozilla.firefox". If something like this is set up I would
move their gladly rather than use the official support forums.
It's also suggested to call any new group
"alt.comp.mozilla.thunderbird" instead of
"alt.comp.software.thunderbird", another user has suggested a similar
group for seamonkey which I will include.
BillH wrote:
"alt.comp.mozilla.thunderbird" sounds good to me. Maybe also
"alt.comp.mozilla.firefox". If something like this is set up I would
move their gladly rather than use the official support forums.
I originally proposed alt.comp.software.* then Adam Kerman suggested a
whole third-level hierarchy for alt.comp.mozilla.* but later withdrew
that, so we're back to the original proposed names now ...
On 3/28/2021 4:12 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
BillH wrote:
"alt.comp.mozilla.thunderbird" sounds good to me. Maybe also
"alt.comp.mozilla.firefox". If something like this is set up I would
move their gladly rather than use the official support forums.
I originally proposed alt.comp.software.* then Adam Kerman suggested a
whole third-level hierarchy for alt.comp.mozilla.* but later withdrew
that, so we're back to the original proposed names now ...
I think those would be fine also. Anything with Thunderbird and
Firefox in the name. Once someone sets them up we just need to
broadcast them loud and clear on the current newsgroups.
Bill
On 3/28/2021 9:44 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
Chris Ilias wrote:
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
Indicate any support for alt.comp.software.thunderbird
over in alt.config
It's been gently pointed out to me that I should NOT have requested
expressions of support over in alt.config, that is just for discussion
of the proposal, not "me too" posts, hopefully Chris won't object to
discussion here if it's confined to this thread in the group's final few
days?
It's also suggested to call any new group "alt.comp.mozilla.thunderbird"
instead of "alt.comp.software.thunderbird", another user has suggested a
similar group for seamonkey which I will include.
"alt.comp.mozilla.thunderbird" sounds good to me. Maybe also "alt.comp.mozilla.firefox". If something like this is set up I would
move their gladly rather than use the official support forums.
On 3/28/21 7:42 PM, BillH wrote:
On 3/28/2021 4:12 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
BillH wrote:
"alt.comp.mozilla.thunderbird" sounds good to me. Maybe also
"alt.comp.mozilla.firefox". If something like this is set up I would
move their gladly rather than use the official support forums.
I originally proposed alt.comp.software.* then Adam Kerman suggested a
whole third-level hierarchy for alt.comp.mozilla.* but later withdrew
that, so we're back to the original proposed names now ...
I think those would be fine also. Anything with Thunderbird and
Firefox in the name. Once someone sets them up we just need to
broadcast them loud and clear on the current newsgroups.
Bill
Well, get busy Bill. You only have until 4/3.
Meanwhile I subscribed to alt.fan.mozilla. By the looks of the 100 posts
I downloaded, anything goes there.
Meanwhile I subscribed to alt.fan.mozilla. By the looks of the 100 posts
I downloaded, anything goes there.
On 3/28/21 7:42 PM, BillH wrote:
On 3/28/2021 4:12 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
BillH wrote:
"alt.comp.mozilla.thunderbird" sounds good to me. Maybe also
"alt.comp.mozilla.firefox". If something like this is set up I would >>>> move their gladly rather than use the official support forums.
I originally proposed alt.comp.software.* then Adam Kerman suggested a
whole third-level hierarchy for alt.comp.mozilla.* but later withdrew
that, so we're back to the original proposed names now ...
I think those would be fine also. Anything with Thunderbird and
Firefox in the name. Once someone sets them up we just need to
broadcast them loud and clear on the current newsgroups.
Bill
Well, get busy Bill. You only have until 4/3.
Meanwhile I subscribed to alt.fan.mozilla. By the looks of the 100 posts
I downloaded, anything goes there.
I had to apply my Mozi filters to that account for just that group!
On 3/28/2021 5:02 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
On 3/28/21 7:42 PM, BillH wrote:
On 3/28/2021 4:12 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
BillH wrote:
"alt.comp.mozilla.thunderbird" sounds good to me. Maybe also
"alt.comp.mozilla.firefox". If something like this is set up I would >>>>> move their gladly rather than use the official support forums.
I originally proposed alt.comp.software.* then Adam Kerman suggested a >>>> whole third-level hierarchy for alt.comp.mozilla.* but later withdrew
that, so we're back to the original proposed names now ...
I think those would be fine also. Anything with Thunderbird and
Firefox in the name. Once someone sets them up we just need to
broadcast them loud and clear on the current newsgroups.
Bill
Well, get busy Bill. You only have until 4/3.
Meanwhile I subscribed to alt.fan.mozilla. By the looks of the 100 posts
I downloaded, anything goes there.
I had to apply my Mozi filters to that account for just that group!
Nice try. :-)
I don't have the knowledge or experience. I was hoping someone with
more expertise in the area might be able to set them up.
Bill
Something weird about an organisation who produces mail client software
going to a web based forum.. from a perfectly good mail list
Take less than an hour for someone to turn up mailman and fill in a
future list 'gap'.
"alt.comp.mozilla.thunderbird" sounds good to me. Maybe also >"alt.comp.mozilla.firefox". .....
BillH wrote:
"alt.comp.mozilla.thunderbird" sounds good to me. Maybe also
"alt.comp.mozilla.firefox". If something like this is set up I would
move their gladly rather than use the official support forums.
I originally proposed alt.comp.software.* then Adam Kerman suggested a
whole third-level hierarchy for alt.comp.mozilla.* but later withdrew
that, so we're back to the original proposed names now ...
[Wilf wrote:]
Andy Burns wrote:
Indicate any support for alt.comp.software.thunderbird
over in alt.config
news:icaoikFfmtU1@mid.individual.net
It would be great if that were possible. I've given my support.
Thanks Wilf, I'll give it a week to gauge overall support.
WaltS48 wrote:
I found no recent posts, and about half a dozen old ones.
I use Eternal September.
I think those would be fine also. Anything with Thunderbird and Firefox
in the name. Once someone sets them up
we just need to broadcast them
loud and clear on the current newsgroups.
BillH wrote:
"alt.comp.mozilla.thunderbird" sounds good to me. Maybe also
"alt.comp.mozilla.firefox". .....
If they would not going to be involved, would Mozilla be happy for their
name to be used in that way?
So if you're to get the 10 posts a day which the guy in the config group mentioned then you'll have to promote it wider than just here, I think.
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 20:02:01 -0400, WaltS48 <schw01@invalid.net>
wrote:
Meanwhile I subscribed to alt.fan.mozilla. By the looks of the 100 posts
I downloaded, anything goes there.
I found no recent posts, and about half a dozen old ones.
Then there is a screenful or so of posts from people from here
checking in.
I use Eternal September.
Who is Adam H. Kerman, and what does he have to do with Usenet?
On 3/28/2021 3:59 PM, BillH wrote:
On 3/28/2021 9:44 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
Chris Ilias wrote:
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and >>>>> mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
Indicate any support for alt.comp.software.thunderbird
over in alt.config
It's been gently pointed out to me that I should NOT have requested
expressions of support over in alt.config, that is just for discussion
of the proposal, not "me too" posts, hopefully Chris won't object to
discussion here if it's confined to this thread in the group's final few >>> days?
It's also suggested to call any new group "alt.comp.mozilla.thunderbird" >>> instead of "alt.comp.software.thunderbird", another user has suggested a >>> similar group for seamonkey which I will include.
"alt.comp.mozilla.thunderbird" sounds good to me. Maybe also
"alt.comp.mozilla.firefox". If something like this is set up I would
move their gladly rather than use the official support forums.
Same for me.
*WHAT IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
*WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN*
lists.mozilla.org: April 3
news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3
*WHAT YOU WILL EXPERIENCE*
Because all posts to this newsgroup go through the mailing list, no
messages will be approved after April 3. You will still be able to
access news.mozilla.org, but there will be no new posts in this
newsgroup after that. If you try to post a message, it will just not
appear.
Sometime after that, Giganews will shut down news.mozilla.org, and you
will no longer be able to access the newsgroup.
*WHERE TO FIND THE ARCHIVE*
The archive of this newsgroup will be kept intact at https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.thunderbird/
As with other newsgroups that have been shuttered in the past, the
archive will be read-only.
You can also download all messages before the news server is shut down.
1. In your Local Folders account, create a new folder called "mozilla.support.thunderbird"
2. Open the newsgroup, then go to Edit-->Select-->All.
3. Go to Message-->Move_to-->Local_Folders-->mozilla.support.thunderbird NOTE: There are over 174,000 messages, so it will take a long time to download. You may want to select batches of messages instead of
selecting all.
*WHERE TO GO FOR SUPPORT*
The primary Thunderbird support forum is at https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/thunderbird?show=all
Other languages can be found at https://support.mozilla.org/kb/get-community-support
If you prefer newsgroups, there may be newsgroups on Usenet where you
can find Thunderbird support. If not, try
netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news.
*WHY THIS IS HAPPENING*
Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for many
years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and moved
to https://discourse.mozilla.org/
Even though a support web forum already exists, the support
newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server.
*WHERE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ANNOUNCEMENT*
You can reply to this post, and I'll try to answer any questions.
If you have questions after the shutdown, you can find me in the
#thunderbird chat room at https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#thunderbird:mozilla.org or the #sumo
chat room at https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#SUMO:mozilla.org
My display name is cilias
Joy Beeson wrote:
WaltS48 wrote:
I found no recent posts, and about half a dozen old ones.
I use Eternal September.
I use individual.net and it only had 7 messages from the last 3 years,
junk must get filtered out by some servers and not others
WaltS48 didn't write that ^.
Maybe Joy did and was misquoted.
news.us.Usenet-News.net used here.
Referral program ID: *217861*
WaltS48 wrote:
WaltS48 didn't write that ^.
Maybe Joy did and was misquoted.
yes, I mis-trimmed the post
news.us.Usenet-News.net used here.
Referral program ID: *217861*
Now I should pay more to see extra junk? :-)
On 3/28/2021 3:59 PM, BillH wrote:
On 3/28/2021 9:44 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
Chris Ilias wrote:
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and >>>>> mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
Indicate any support for alt.comp.software.thunderbird
over in alt.config
It's been gently pointed out to me that I should NOT have requested
expressions of support over in alt.config, that is just for discussion
of the proposal, not "me too" posts, hopefully Chris won't object to
discussion here if it's confined to this thread in the group's final few >>> days?
It's also suggested to call any new group "alt.comp.mozilla.thunderbird" >>> instead of "alt.comp.software.thunderbird", another user has suggested a >>> similar group for seamonkey which I will include.
"alt.comp.mozilla.thunderbird" sounds good to me. Maybe also
"alt.comp.mozilla.firefox". If something like this is set up I would
move their gladly rather than use the official support forums.
Same for me.
Well, get busy Bill. You only have until 4/3.
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 20:02:01 -0400, WaltS48 wrote:
Well, get busy Bill. You only have until 4/3.
3/4 ;-)
Yes, many do, but that only solves half the problem. It's fine for
people who only visit a forum when they have a problem and want
help.
It's no good at all for people who want to see all the traffic,
to see if they can help other people, or just want to keep in
touch with common usability issues.
The official forum only shows a handful of issues per screenful
(because there's lots of wasted whitespace and the first few lines
of anyone's post). That's a lot less easy to work with than a decent
email or news client.
Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
Yes, many do, but that only solves half the problem. It's fine for
people who only visit a forum when they have a problem and want
help.
It's no good at all for people who want to see all the traffic,
to see if they can help other people, or just want to keep in
touch with common usability issues.
For me the latter has been crucial. Comments in the m.s. newsgroups
have been decisive for me to upgrade or downgrade to the next version
of FF or RB and their new/changes vagaries, bells & whistles, and
window (un)dressing.
Given that these useful contributions are going to disappear, on what
i'd call and indecent short notice, may well lead to either dropping
FF and staying with PaleMoon, with Brave as fallback, or keep the
current FF esr version as another fallback. TB is a different story:
I don't use it for e-mail, just for newsgroups, and for that my old
TB still serves me well.
The official forum only shows a handful of issues per screenful
(because there's lots of wasted whitespace and the first few lines
of anyone's post). That's a lot less easy to work with than a decent
email or news client.
Whoever invented forums, invented a disaster.
Does anyone know if there are any forums that you don't have to
register with before you can post?
On 3/31/2021 6:06 AM, Wayne wrote:
On 3/31/21 6:20 AM, Jeff Layman wrote:
Does anyone know if there are any forums that you don't have to
register with before you can post?
In this day and age, where spammers rule, you'd be hard pressed to find
a decent place that would offer such a service via a newsgroup. It
would involve significant infrastructure and manpower that would shut
down the spammers - coincidentally, such as what Mozilla has provided to
this point in news.mozilla.org.
Which is why registered services now rule. But some provide decent
email capability. Which is why the Thunderbird mailing lists and
mozilla.dev.apps.thunderbird newsgroup are moving to
https://discuss.thunderbird.net/groups/_tojoin
I don't see one that seems to be appropriate for just general
discussion of Thunderbird topics which happens here. They are all
very specific as to their intent. Which one would you use for
questions and discussion of more general topics?
Bill
On 3/31/21 6:20 AM, Jeff Layman wrote:
Does anyone know if there are any forums that you don't have to
register with before you can post?
In this day and age, where spammers rule, you'd be hard pressed to find
a decent place that would offer such a service via a newsgroup. It
would involve significant infrastructure and manpower that would shut
down the spammers - coincidentally, such as what Mozilla has provided to
this point in news.mozilla.org.
Which is why registered services now rule. But some provide decent
email capability. Which is why the Thunderbird mailing lists and mozilla.dev.apps.thunderbird newsgroup are moving to https://discuss.thunderbird.net/groups/_tojoin
I don't see one that seems to be appropriate for just general discussion
of Thunderbird topics which happens here. They are all very specific as
to their intent. Which one would you use for questions and discussion
of more general topics?
On 3/31/21 11:40 AM, BillH wrote:
On 3/31/2021 6:06 AM, Wayne wrote:
On 3/31/21 6:20 AM, Jeff Layman wrote:
Does anyone know if there are any forums that you don't have to
register with before you can post?
In this day and age, where spammers rule, you'd be hard pressed to find
a decent place that would offer such a service via a newsgroup. It
would involve significant infrastructure and manpower that would shut
down the spammers - coincidentally, such as what Mozilla has provided to >>> this point in news.mozilla.org.
Which is why registered services now rule. But some provide decent
email capability. Which is why the Thunderbird mailing lists and
mozilla.dev.apps.thunderbird newsgroup are moving to
https://discuss.thunderbird.net/groups/_tojoin
I don't see one that seems to be appropriate for just general
discussion of Thunderbird topics which happens here. They are all
very specific as to their intent. Which one would you use for
questions and discussion of more general topics?
Bill
Yes, what is offered there are focused groups
Support and general product usage Q&A is offered only at SUMO https://support.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird where we have the
knowledge base articles, the broadest depth of support coverage,
metrics, and multilingual capability.
I was hoping for something better. Hopefully something to replace the newsgroups will get going on groups.io. or somewhere else.
On Wed, 31 Mar 2021, at 17:18, BillH wrote:
I was hoping for something better. Hopefully something to replace the
newsgroups will get going on groups.io. or somewhere else.
See:
https://groups.io/g/thunderbird
(which maybe doesn't allow attachments to posts)
and
https://groups.io/g/thunderbirdemail (which does allow them)
and (for Firefox):
https://groups.io/g/firefox-support
On 3/31/2021 10:04 AM, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: >> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021, at 17:18, BillH wrote: >> >>> I was hoping forsomething better. Hopefully something to >>> replace the newsgroups will
Unfortunately, those forums are horrible to use compared to the
newsgroup or mailing list or even better forum software like phpBB and others.
I was hoping for something better. Hopefully something to replace the newsgroups will get going on groups.io. or somewhere else.
On Wed, 31 Mar 2021, at 17:18, BillH wrote:
I was hoping for something better. Hopefully something to replace the
newsgroups will get going on groups.io. or somewhere else.
See:
https://groups.io/g/thunderbird
(which maybe doesn't allow attachments to posts)
and
https://groups.io/g/thunderbirdemail (which does allow them)
and (for Firefox):
https://groups.io/g/firefox-support
On 3/31/2021 10:04 AM, Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
On Wed, 31 Mar 2021, at 17:18, BillH wrote:
I was hoping for something better. Hopefully something to replace the
newsgroups will get going on groups.io. or somewhere else.
See:
https://groups.io/g/thunderbird
(which maybe doesn't allow attachments to posts) >>
and
https://groups.io/g/thunderbirdemail (which does allow them)
and (for Firefox):
https://groups.io/g/firefox-support
On 3/31/21 1:04 PM, this is what Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
On Wed, 31 Mar 2021, at 17:18, BillH wrote:Heavy traffic. 8 msgs on TB group for May and 12 for the FF group.
I was hoping for something better. Hopefully something to replace the
newsgroups will get going on groups.io. or somewhere else.
See:
https://groups.io/g/thunderbird
(which maybe doesn't allow attachments to posts)
and
https://groups.io/g/thunderbirdemail (which does allow them)
and (for Firefox):
https://groups.io/g/firefox-support
I don't see one that seems to be appropriate for just general discussion
of Thunderbird topics which happens here. They are all very specific as
to their intent. Which one would you use for questions and discussion
of more general topics?
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
Chris Ilias wrote:
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
The three new groups
alt.comp.software.firefox
alt.comp.software.thunderbird
alt.comp.software.seamonkey
have been created, no doubt population around the various usenet servers
will be slow. At the moment they only exist on news.aioe.org and one or
two other servers, I've requested them on a few servers that I use, but
will request them on more servers over the next few days. If they don't
show up on servers that you use, feel free to request them there.
Treat the new groups as substitutes for
mozilla.support.firefox
mozilla.support.thunderbird
mozilla.support.seamonkey
Clearly the new groups are not affiliated with Mozilla in any way, and
will provide user-to-user support, hoping to see familiar faces there,
play nice ...
Chris Ilias wrote:
Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).
The three new groups
alt.comp.software.firefox
alt.comp.software.thunderbird
alt.comp.software.seamonkey
have been created, no doubt population around the various usenet servers
will be slow. At the moment they only exist on news.aioe.org and one or
two other servers, I've requested them on a few servers that I use, but
will request them on more servers over the next few days. If they don't
show up on servers that you use, feel free to request them there.
Treat the new groups as substitutes for
mozilla.support.firefox
mozilla.support.thunderbird
mozilla.support.seamonkey
Clearly the new groups are not affiliated with Mozilla in any way, and
will provide user-to-user support, hoping to see familiar faces there,
play nice ...
The three new groups
alt.comp.software.firefox
alt.comp.software.thunderbird
alt.comp.software.seamonkey
have been created, no doubt population around the various usenet servers
will be slow. At the moment they only exist on news.aioe.org and one or
two other servers, I've requested them on a few servers that I use, but
will request them on more servers over the next few days. If they don't show up on servers that you use, feel free to request them there.
Not yet on astraweb or eternal-sep.
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