• **THIS FORUM WILL BE SHUT DOWN SOON**

    From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to pop on Sun Mar 28 13:26:11 2021
    On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 at 05:14:44, pop <p_o_p@hotmail.com> wrote (my
    responses usually follow points raised):
    Sailfish wrote on 3/27/2021 6:42 PM:
    My bloviated meandering follows what Chris Ilias graced us with on >>3/27/2021 1:11 PM:

    Thanks for relaying this; he obviously decided we in mozilla.general
    weren't worthy of being told.
    []
    *WHERE TO GO FOR SUPPORT*
    []
    If you prefer newsgroups, there may be newsgroups on Usenet where
    you can find Firefox support. If not, try >>>netscape.public.mozilla.browser.

    I wasn't sure, but that actually is a newsgroup! (Or was at some time.)
    [The only ones with thunderbird I could find are: one that's obviously
    about some AMD hardware; one that has .fr. in the name so I presume is
    French; ubc.residence.thunderbird, which I doubt is relevant; and two
    that start mozilla., which I assume will die.]

    Is there any reason why we can't just migrate the existing names to the
    outside usenet, rather than creating new alt.* ones? I know it would be
    a new top-level whatever, but other such exist, such as demon.*, at
    least two of which still exist and are in use, despite Demon Internet
    having ceased to exist some years ago.
    []
    This has been a pleasant place to visit and I enjoyed most of the
    people I've had the pleasure to engage with. But, as with Archie,
    Veronica, Jughead, Powwow, Finger, Whois and other unprofitable
    nascent technologies, eventually the time langoliers devour them and
    only leave faint memories for those old timers who had experienced
    them until even those find a resting place in the wikipedia catacombs.

    +1

    +1
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    And perhaps that's the scariest thing about the modern mob. In social media,
    we haven't created a monster. We are the monster.
    - Jonathan Holmes, RT 2015/3/28-4/3

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  • From Wolf K@21:1/5 to pop on Sun Mar 28 13:33:26 2021
    On 2021-03-28 06:14, pop wrote:
    Sailfish wrote on 3/27/2021 6:42 PM:
    My bloviated meandering follows what Chris Ilias graced us with on
    3/27/2021 1:11 PM:
    *WHAT IS HAPPENING*
    Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
    mailing lists (list.mozilla.org).


    *WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN*
    lists.mozilla.org: April 3
    news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3


    *WHAT YOU WILL EXPERIENCE*
    Because all posts to this newsgroup go through the mailing list, no
    messages will be approved after April 3. You will still be able to
    access news.mozilla.org, but there will be no new posts in this
    newsgroup after that. If you try to post a message, it will just not
    appear.

    Sometime after that, Giganews will shut down news.mozilla.org, and
    you will no longer be able to access the newsgroup.


    *WHERE TO FIND THE ARCHIVE*
    The archive of this newsgroup will be kept intact at
    https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.firefox/
    As with other newsgroups that have been shuttered in the past, the
    archive will be read-only.

    If you're using Thunderbird, you can also download all messages
    before the news server is shut down.
    1. In your Local Folders account, create a new folder called
    "mozilla.support.firefox"
    2. Open the newsgroup, then go to Edit-->Select-->All.
    3. Go to Message-->Move_to-->Local_Folders-->mozilla.support.firefox
    NOTE: There are over 190,000 messages, so it will take a long time to
    download. You may want to select batches of messages instead of
    selecting all.


    *WHERE TO GO FOR SUPPORT*
    The primary Firefox support forum is at
    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/firefox?show=all
    Other languages can be found at
    https://support.mozilla.org/kb/get-community-support

    If you prefer newsgroups, there may be newsgroups on Usenet where you
    can find Firefox support. If not, try netscape.public.mozilla.browser.


    *WHY THIS IS HAPPENING*
    Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for
    many years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down
    and moved to https://discourse.mozilla.org/
    Even though a support web forum already exists, the support
    newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server.


    *WHERE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ANNOUNCEMENT*
    You can reply to this post, and I'll try to answer any questions.
    If you have questions after the shutdown, you can find me in the
    #firefox chat room at
    https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#firefox:mozilla.org or the #sumo
    chat room at https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#SUMO:mozilla.org

    My display name on chat.mozilla.org is cilias

    This has been a pleasant place to visit and I enjoyed most of the
    people I've had the pleasure to engage with. But, as with Archie,
    Veronica, Jughead, Powwow, Finger, Whois and other unprofitable
    nascent technologies, eventually the time langoliers devour them and
    only leave faint memories for those old timers who had experienced
    them until even those find a resting place in the wikipedia catacombs.

    +1


    +1

    --
    Wolf K
    "You know, doing what is right is easy. The problem is knowing what is
    right." Lyndon B. Johnson

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 29 16:57:11 2021
    J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

    Is there any reason why we can't just migrate the existing names to the outside usenet, rather than creating new alt.* ones? I know it would be
    a new top-level whatever, but other such exist, such as demon.*

    I think it would take a person who has some real "usenet clout" to pull
    that off ...

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Mon Mar 29 19:50:36 2021
    On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 at 16:57:11, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote
    (my responses usually follow points raised):
    J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

    Is there any reason why we can't just migrate the existing names to
    the outside usenet, rather than creating new alt.* ones? I know it
    would be a new top-level whatever, but other such exist, such as demon.*

    I think it would take a person who has some real "usenet clout" to pull
    that off ...

    I think I've asked Ray Banana.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Remembrance of things past is not necessarily the remembrance of things as
    they were. - Marcel Proust

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Mar 30 11:07:28 2021
    On 3/29/21 9:57 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
    I think it would take a person who has some real "usenet clout" to pull
    that off ...

    It's going to take more more than one person.

    You're going to need Usenet server operators to update their actives
    file. Coordinating that will be an up hill battle.



    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Tue Mar 30 18:59:09 2021
    Grant Taylor wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    I think it would take a person who has some real "usenet clout" to
    pull that off ...

    It's going to take more more than one person.

    Well, I didn't want to be accused of being negative :)

    You're going to need Usenet server operators to update their actives
    file.  Coordinating that will be an up hill battle.

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  • From s|b@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 30 22:50:00 2021
    On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 13:26:11 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

    Is there any reason why we can't just migrate the existing names to the outside usenet, rather than creating new alt.* ones?

    Do you know someone who runs a private newsserver? :-)

    --
    s|b

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to Ken Blake on Sat Apr 3 16:47:40 2021
    On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 at 10:12:24, Ken Blake <ken@invailinvalid.com> wrote
    (my responses usually follow points raised):
    On 3/28/2021 5:52 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
    On 3/28/2021 3:59 PM, BillH wrote:
    []
    "alt.comp.mozilla.thunderbird" sounds good to me. Maybe also
    "alt.comp.mozilla.firefox". If something like this is set up I would
    move their gladly rather than use the official support forums.
    Same for me.

    Me too - though I don't want my "gladly" moved anywhere, thanks (-:.

    Thanks, Andy, for doing this. (The above two are already on
    eternal-september.)

    Let me add I'm also not interested in using anything but a newsgroup. I
    want to use Thunderbird for all "forums," and not two or more programs.

    Me too. (Well, Turnpike, but the same applies.)

    I make a single exception for the Microsoft Windows forums, but I'm not
    happy about that, and I'm much less active than I used to be when they
    were newsgroups. I think the Microsoft web forums are terrible
    designed; newsgroups are much better.

    There are still newsgroups - Microsoft going didn't kill them; of the microsoft.public.* ones, at least m.p.outlook, m.p.outlook.general, m.p.win98.gen_discussion, and m.p.windowsxp.general, as well as alt.comp.os.windows-10 and alt.windows7.general, all of which are widely carried, though with varying levels of activity (for example the outlook
    one seems mostly just an occasional ad. for the PST/OST converters, and
    the '98 one is fairly sleepy [and the XP one getting so], though what
    posts there are are mostly on topic).
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    The web is a blank slate; you can't design technology that is 'good'. You can't design paper that you can only write good things on. There are no good or evil tools. You can put an engine in an ambulance or a tank. - Sir Tim Berners-Lee, Radio Times 2009-Jan-30 to -Feb-5.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sat Apr 3 16:44:54 2021
    On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 09:08:07, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote
    (my responses usually follow points raised):
    John Weiss wrote:

    Not yet on astraweb or eternal-sep.

    I've requested on both, I'm not an astraweb user, but I am on e-s,
    it'll take time especially as it's Easter ...

    They're on e-s now. (F and TB anyway - I haven't looked for S.)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    The web is a blank slate; you can't design technology that is 'good'. You can't design paper that you can only write good things on. There are no good or evil tools. You can put an engine in an ambulance or a tank. - Sir Tim Berners-Lee, Radio Times 2009-Jan-30 to -Feb-5.

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  • From WaltS48@21:1/5 to Jeff Barnett on Sat Apr 3 12:33:57 2021
    On 4/3/2021 12:24 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
    On 4/3/2021 9:44 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 09:08:07, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote
    (my responses usually follow points raised):
    John Weiss wrote:

    Not yet on astraweb or eternal-sep.

    I've requested on both, I'm not an astraweb user, but I am on e-s,
    it'll take time especially as it's Easter ...

    They're on e-s now. (F and TB anyway - I haven't looked for S.)

    I just tried "subscribe" too e-s and searched for "firefox" then "thunderbird". Found forums for both but they are French. So can you be
    more specific about "They're on e-s now." What is "They"?

    I think,

    alt.comp.software.firefox
    alt.comp.software.thunderbird
    alt.comp.softwarw.seamonkey

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  • From EnDeeGee@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Sat Apr 3 12:53:07 2021
    On 03-Apr.-2021 12:47, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 04/03/2021 09:33 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
    On 4/3/2021 12:24 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
    On 4/3/2021 9:44 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 09:08:07, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote >>>> (my responses usually follow points raised):
    John Weiss wrote:

    Not yet on astraweb or eternal-sep.

    I've requested on both, I'm not an astraweb user, but I am on e-s,
    it'll take time especially as it's Easter ...

    They're on e-s now. (F and TB anyway - I haven't looked for S.)

    I just tried "subscribe" too e-s and searched for "firefox" then
    "thunderbird". Found forums for both but they are French. So can you be
    more specific about "They're on e-s now." What is "They"?

    I think,

    alt.comp.software.firefox
    alt.comp.software.thunderbird
    alt.comp.softwarw.seamonkey

    I just refreshed the E-S list.  Not shown yet.  This is weird...


    You need to click on "New Groups" then click on "Refresh" and they will
    show.

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  • From Peter@21:1/5 to EnDeeGee on Sat Apr 3 13:04:52 2021
    On 4/3/2021 12:53 PM, EnDeeGee wrote:
    On 03-Apr.-2021 12:47, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 04/03/2021 09:33 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
    On 4/3/2021 12:24 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
    On 4/3/2021 9:44 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 09:08:07, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote >>>>> (my responses usually follow points raised):
    John Weiss wrote:

    Not yet on astraweb or eternal-sep.

    I've requested on both, I'm not an astraweb user, but I am on e-s, >>>>>> it'll take time especially as it's Easter ...

    They're on e-s now. (F and TB anyway - I haven't looked for S.)

    I just tried "subscribe" too e-s and searched for "firefox" then
    "thunderbird". Found forums for both but they are French. So can you be >>>> more specific about "They're on e-s now." What is "They"?

    I think,

    alt.comp.software.firefox
    alt.comp.software.thunderbird
    alt.comp.softwarw.seamonkey

    I just refreshed the E-S list.  Not shown yet.  This is weird...


    You need to click on "New Groups" then click on "Refresh" and they will
    show.


    Yup! Thanks for letting us know.

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 3 09:47:06 2021
    On 04/03/2021 09:33 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
    On 4/3/2021 12:24 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
    On 4/3/2021 9:44 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 09:08:07, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote
    (my responses usually follow points raised):
    John Weiss wrote:

    Not yet on astraweb or eternal-sep.

    I've requested on both, I'm not an astraweb user, but I am on e-s,
    it'll take time especially as it's Easter ...

    They're on e-s now. (F and TB anyway - I haven't looked for S.)

    I just tried "subscribe" too e-s and searched for "firefox" then
    "thunderbird". Found forums for both but they are French. So can you be
    more specific about "They're on e-s now." What is "They"?

    I think,

    alt.comp.software.firefox
    alt.comp.software.thunderbird
    alt.comp.softwarw.seamonkey

    I just refreshed the E-S list. Not shown yet. This is weird...

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    Never try to extort more than it would cost to have you killed.

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  • From Jeff Barnett@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 3 10:24:46 2021
    On 4/3/2021 9:44 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 09:08:07, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote
    (my responses usually follow points raised):
    John Weiss wrote:

    Not yet on astraweb or eternal-sep.

    I've requested on both, I'm not an astraweb user, but I am on e-s,
    it'll take time especially as it's Easter ...

    They're on e-s now. (F and TB anyway - I haven't looked for S.)

    I just tried "subscribe" too e-s and searched for "firefox" then
    "thunderbird". Found forums for both but they are French. So can you be
    more specific about "They're on e-s now." What is "They"?
    --
    Jeff Barnett

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YiSBHb29kIEd1eSDwn5iJ?@21:1/5 to because the subject on Sat Apr 3 22:58:04 2021
    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    I am beginning to wonder whether these newsgroups will be affected
    because the subject says:

    **THIS FORUM WILL BE SHUT DOWN SOON**
    Does this include Newsgroups?  I thought GigaNews never charged a penny
    to Mozilla so why would they shut it down?







    --

    With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
    satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.


    <html>
    <head>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
    </head>
    <body text="#7FFF00" bgcolor="000">
    I am beginning to wonder whether these newsgroups will be affected
    because the subject says: <br>
    <p> </p>
    <blockquote type="cite">**THIS FORUM WILL BE SHUT DOWN SOON**</blockquote>
    Does this include Newsgroups?  I thought GigaNews never charged a
    penny to Mozilla so why would they shut it down?<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
    <div style="background-color: blue; color: yellow; font-weight:
    bolder; display: grid; align-items: center; justify-items:
    center; min-height: 80px; font-size: 1.2em; border-radius: 50px;
    ">
    <p>With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10,
    customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of
    windows.</p>
    </div>
    </div>
    </body>
    </html>

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  • From Ray_Net@21:1/5 to EnDeeGee on Sun Apr 4 23:44:00 2021
    EnDeeGee wrote on 03-04-21 18:53:
    On 03-Apr.-2021 12:47, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 04/03/2021 09:33 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
    On 4/3/2021 12:24 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
    On 4/3/2021 9:44 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 09:08:07, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote
    (my responses usually follow points raised):
    John Weiss wrote:

    Not yet on astraweb or eternal-sep.

    I've requested on both, I'm not an astraweb user, but I am on e-s, >>>>>> it'll take time especially as it's Easter ...

    They're on e-s now. (F and TB anyway - I haven't looked for S.)

    I just tried "subscribe" too e-s and searched for "firefox" then
    "thunderbird". Found forums for both but they are French. So can
    you be
    more specific about "They're on e-s now." What is "They"?

    I think,

    alt.comp.software.firefox
    alt.comp.software.thunderbird
    alt.comp.softwarw.seamonkey

    I just refreshed the E-S list.  Not shown yet.  This is weird...


    You need to click on "New Groups" then click on "Refresh" and they
    will show.
    But if they are read-only .... they are unusuable ...

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  • From WaltS48@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 4 19:58:56 2021
    On 4/4/21 5:44 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
    EnDeeGee wrote on 03-04-21 18:53:
    On 03-Apr.-2021 12:47, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 04/03/2021 09:33 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
    On 4/3/2021 12:24 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
    On 4/3/2021 9:44 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 09:08:07, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote
    (my responses usually follow points raised):
    John Weiss wrote:

    Not yet on astraweb or eternal-sep.

    I've requested on both, I'm not an astraweb user, but I am on e-s, >>>>>>> it'll take time especially as it's Easter ...

    They're on e-s now. (F and TB anyway - I haven't looked for S.)

    I just tried "subscribe" too e-s and searched for "firefox" then
    "thunderbird". Found forums for both but they are French. So can
    you be
    more specific about "They're on e-s now." What is "They"?

    I think,

    alt.comp.software.firefox
    alt.comp.software.thunderbird
    alt.comp.softwarw.seamonkey

    I just refreshed the E-S list.  Not shown yet.  This is weird...


    You need to click on "New Groups" then click on "Refresh" and they
    will show.
    But if they are read-only .... they are unusuable ...


    Why are they read-only?

    Are you using a USENET service that is read-only?

    Try Usenet-News.

    https://usenet-news.net/index1.php?url=srv

    Give me a referral if you join.

    Referral program ID: *217861.*

    --
    OS: Fedora 33 Workstation - Gnome Desktop https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/get-involved/

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  • From Ray_Net@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 5 09:53:35 2021
    WaltS48 wrote on 05-04-21 01:58:
    On 4/4/21 5:44 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
    EnDeeGee wrote on 03-04-21 18:53:
    On 03-Apr.-2021 12:47, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 04/03/2021 09:33 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
    On 4/3/2021 12:24 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
    On 4/3/2021 9:44 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 09:08:07, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> >>>>>>> wrote
    (my responses usually follow points raised):
    John Weiss wrote:

    Not yet on astraweb or eternal-sep.

    I've requested on both, I'm not an astraweb user, but I am on e-s, >>>>>>>> it'll take time especially as it's Easter ...

    They're on e-s now. (F and TB anyway - I haven't looked for S.)

    I just tried "subscribe" too e-s and searched for "firefox" then
    "thunderbird". Found forums for both but they are French. So can
    you be
    more specific about "They're on e-s now." What is "They"?

    I think,

    alt.comp.software.firefox
    alt.comp.software.thunderbird
    alt.comp.softwarw.seamonkey

    I just refreshed the E-S list.  Not shown yet.  This is weird...


    You need to click on "New Groups" then click on "Refresh" and they
    will show.
    But if they are read-only .... they are unusuable ...


    Why are they read-only?

    It's OK, I just subscribed to alt.comp.software.seamonkey and I can post ...
    I did not find the post where a guy said that they are read-only.

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  • From Don Spam's Reckless Son@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 5 19:49:06 2021
    Ray_Net wrote:
    WaltS48 wrote on 05-04-21 01:58:
    On 4/4/21 5:44 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
    EnDeeGee wrote on 03-04-21 18:53:
    On 03-Apr.-2021 12:47, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 04/03/2021 09:33 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
    On 4/3/2021 12:24 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
    On 4/3/2021 9:44 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 09:08:07, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> >>>>>>>> wrote
    (my responses usually follow points raised):
    John Weiss wrote:

    Not yet on astraweb or eternal-sep.

    I've requested on both, I'm not an astraweb user, but I am on e-s, >>>>>>>>> it'll take time especially as it's Easter ...

    They're on e-s now. (F and TB anyway - I haven't looked for S.) >>>>>>>
    I just tried "subscribe" too e-s and searched for "firefox" then >>>>>>> "thunderbird". Found forums for both but they are French. So can >>>>>>> you be
    more specific about "They're on e-s now." What is "They"?

    I think,

    alt.comp.software.firefox
    alt.comp.software.thunderbird
    alt.comp.softwarw.seamonkey

    I just refreshed the E-S list.  Not shown yet.  This is weird...


    You need to click on "New Groups" then click on "Refresh" and they
    will show.
    But if they are read-only .... they are unusuable ...


    Why are they read-only?

    It's OK, I just subscribed to alt.comp.software.seamonkey and I can post
    ...
    I did not find the post where a guy said that they are read-only.


    Most - but not all - of the old groups have been made read-only, not
    the new ones.
    In addition all of the mozilla.* groups here on this server are been
    read-only if you want to use another NNTP access such as aioe. Not sure
    about google groups there, maybe it was permitted to post as well.

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Don Spam's Reckless Son on Mon Apr 5 14:03:45 2021
    On 4/5/21 11:49 AM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
    In addition all of the mozilla.* groups here on this server are been read-only if you want to use another NNTP access such as aioe.

    I have been ""posting to the newsgroups for years without any problem.

    Though I believe my ""post was actually being re-directed by the news
    server as email to the mailing list. Or something like that.

    I know that prior to subscribing to the (now old) mailing list my
    messages to the newsgroup would be moderated (as in non-trivially
    delayed or rejected as a non-subscriber).

    I have naively assumed that Mozilla was leveraging NNTP's moderation
    capability via the mailing list. As in the mailing list manager was
    doing double duty of handling ""moderated messages and auto approving & forwarding messages from subscribers for wider distribution.

    In hindsight, I'd like to know more about how it was working.



    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 5 21:36:04 2021
    Last posts to the FF and TB groups on April 2 were made by Sailfish
    and Jeff Layman, respectively.

    An honor, of sorts...


    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can
    only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote
    themselves largess out of the public treasury."
    -- Alexander Tyler (Unverified)

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  • From Daniel@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Tue Apr 6 17:25:14 2021
    The Real Bev wrote on 6/4/21 2:36 pm:
    Last posts to the FF and TB groups  on April 2 were made by  Sailfish
    and Jeff Layman, respectively.

    An honor, of sorts...


    Yes, indeed, an honour for time immemorial!!

    (Just wanted to make this post to "correct" your spelling, Bev!! ;-P )
    --
    Daniel

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Tue Apr 6 10:19:05 2021
    On 06/04/2021 05:36, The Real Bev wrote:
    Last posts to the FF and TB groups on April 2 were made by Sailfish
    and Jeff Layman, respectively.

    An honor, of sorts...

    And one I can't claim! I posted on 2 April in m.s.t, but I can see posts
    made on 3 April.


    --

    Jeff

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  • From Rink@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 6 13:45:18 2021
    Op 6-4-2021 om 11:19 schreef Jeff Layman:
    On 06/04/2021 05:36, The Real Bev wrote:
    Last posts to the FF and TB groups  on April 2 were made by  Sailfish
    and Jeff Layman, respectively.

    An honor, of sorts...

    And one I can't claim! I posted on 2 April in m.s.t, but I can see posts
    made on 3 April.




    I made the last post on m.s.firefox on April 3 at 15.37 (CET).

    Wayne Mery made the last post on m.s.thunderbird on April 3 at 18.48 (CET).

    Rink

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  • From EnDeeGee@21:1/5 to Daniel on Tue Apr 6 07:23:18 2021
    On 06-Apr.-2021 03:25, Daniel wrote:
    The Real Bev wrote on 6/4/21 2:36 pm:
    Last posts to the FF and TB groups  on April 2 were made by  Sailfish
    and Jeff Layman, respectively.

    An honor, of sorts...


    Yes, indeed, an honour for time immemorial!!

    (Just wanted to make this post to "correct" your spelling, Bev!! ;-P )

    Depends which country you're from.

    Honour (British/Canadian English)

    Honor (American English)

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Daniel on Tue Apr 6 22:14:58 2021
    On 04/06/2021 12:25 AM, Daniel wrote:
    The Real Bev wrote on 6/4/21 2:36 pm:
    Last posts to the FF and TB groups on April 2 were made by Sailfish
    and Jeff Layman, respectively.

    An honor, of sorts...


    Yes, indeed, an honour for time immemorial!!

    (Just wanted to make this post to "correct" your spelling, Bev!! ;-P )

    Thanks for the favour!


    --
    Cheers, Bev
    The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z'
    is given by pi*z*z*a

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  • From Daniel@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Wed Apr 7 15:41:39 2021
    The Real Bev wrote on 7/4/21 3:14 pm:
    On 04/06/2021 12:25 AM, Daniel wrote:
    The Real Bev wrote on 6/4/21 2:36 pm:
    Last posts to the FF and TB groups  on April 2 were made by  Sailfish
    and Jeff Layman, respectively.

    An honor, of sorts...

    Yes, indeed, an honour for time immemorial!!

    (Just wanted to make this post to "correct" your spelling, Bev!! ;-P )

    Thanks for the favour!

    Gee Whiz!! Don't people say Ejumacation is a "Whole of Life process!!"??
    --
    Daniel

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  • From Daniel@21:1/5 to Rink on Wed Apr 7 15:43:38 2021
    Rink wrote on 6/4/21 9:45 pm:
    Op 6-4-2021 om 11:19 schreef Jeff Layman:
    On 06/04/2021 05:36, The Real Bev wrote:
    Last posts to the FF and TB groups  on April 2 were made by  Sailfish
    and Jeff Layman, respectively.

    An honor, of sorts...

    And one I can't claim! I posted on 2 April in m.s.t, but I can see
    posts made on 3 April.

    I made the last post on m.s.firefox on April 3 at 15.37 (CET).

    Wayne Mery made the last post on m.s.thunderbird on April 3 at 18.48 (CET).

    Rink

    Were they direct to the newsgroups or were they via the lists??
    --
    Daniel

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  • From Daniel@21:1/5 to EnDeeGee on Wed Apr 7 15:40:05 2021
    EnDeeGee wrote on 6/4/21 9:23 pm:
    On 06-Apr.-2021 03:25, Daniel wrote:
    The Real Bev wrote on 6/4/21 2:36 pm:
    Last posts to the FF and TB groups  on April 2 were made by  Sailfish
    and Jeff Layman, respectively.

    An honor, of sorts...


    Yes, indeed, an honour for time immemorial!!

    (Just wanted to make this post to "correct" your spelling, Bev!! ;-P )

    Depends which country you're from.

    Honour (British/Canadian English)

    Honor (American English)

    Correct, EnDeeGee, .... and we all know which is the most correct, don't
    we?? ;-P
    --
    Daniel

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  • From Rink@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 7 16:02:09 2021
    Op 7-4-2021 om 7:43 schreef Daniel:
    Rink wrote on 6/4/21 9:45 pm:
    Op 6-4-2021 om 11:19 schreef Jeff Layman:
    On 06/04/2021 05:36, The Real Bev wrote:
    Last posts to the FF and TB groups  on April 2 were made by  Sailfish >>>> and Jeff Layman, respectively.

    An honor, of sorts...

    And one I can't claim! I posted on 2 April in m.s.t, but I can see
    posts made on 3 April.

    I made the last post on m.s.firefox on April 3 at 15.37 (CET).

    Wayne Mery made the last post on m.s.thunderbird on April 3 at 18.48
    (CET).

    Rink

    Were they direct to the newsgroups or were they via the lists??



    I am not at the mailing lists and did my posts via the newsgroups.

    Rink

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Rink on Wed Apr 7 07:53:40 2021
    On 04/06/2021 04:45 AM, Rink wrote:
    Op 6-4-2021 om 11:19 schreef Jeff Layman:
    On 06/04/2021 05:36, The Real Bev wrote:
    Last posts to the FF and TB groups on April 2 were made by Sailfish
    and Jeff Layman, respectively.

    An honor, of sorts...

    And one I can't claim! I posted on 2 April in m.s.t, but I can see posts
    made on 3 April.

    I made the last post on m.s.firefox on April 3 at 15.37 (CET).

    Wayne Mery made the last post on m.s.thunderbird on April 3 at 18.48 (CET).

    Mea culpa. I had TB set to see only new messages and I had read the
    newer ones previously. Or something.

    At any rate, yahoo is shutting down yahoo answers and deleting the
    archives. Coincidence? I don't think so...


    --
    Cheers, Bev
    Please hassle me, I thrive on stress.

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  • From WaltS48@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Wed Apr 7 11:18:21 2021
    On 4/7/21 10:53 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 04/06/2021 04:45 AM, Rink wrote:
    Op 6-4-2021 om 11:19 schreef Jeff Layman:
    On 06/04/2021 05:36, The Real Bev wrote:
    Last posts to the FF and TB groups  on April 2 were made by 
    Sailfish
    and Jeff Layman, respectively.

    An honor, of sorts...

    And one I can't claim! I posted on 2 April in m.s.t, but I can see
    posts
    made on 3 April.

    I made the last post on m.s.firefox on April 3 at 15.37 (CET).

    Wayne Mery made the last post on m.s.thunderbird on April 3 at 18.48
    (CET).

    Mea culpa.  I had TB set to see only new messages and I had read the
    newer ones previously.  Or something.

    At any rate, yahoo is shutting down yahoo answers and deleting the archives.  Coincidence?  I don't think so...



    Never heard of it.

    Did they have Firefox and other Mozilla apps support?

    --
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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 7 14:23:05 2021
    On 04/07/2021 08:18 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
    On 4/7/21 10:53 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 04/06/2021 04:45 AM, Rink wrote:
    Op 6-4-2021 om 11:19 schreef Jeff Layman:
    On 06/04/2021 05:36, The Real Bev wrote:
    Last posts to the FF and TB groups on April 2 were made by
    Sailfish
    and Jeff Layman, respectively.

    An honor, of sorts...

    And one I can't claim! I posted on 2 April in m.s.t, but I can see
    posts
    made on 3 April.

    I made the last post on m.s.firefox on April 3 at 15.37 (CET).

    Wayne Mery made the last post on m.s.thunderbird on April 3 at 18.48
    (CET).

    Mea culpa. I had TB set to see only new messages and I had read the
    newer ones previously. Or something.

    At any rate, yahoo is shutting down yahoo answers and deleting the
    archives. Coincidence? I don't think so...

    Never heard of it.

    Neither had I until hubby pointed me to a NY Times article about it.
    The questions listed in the article are... interesting.

    <https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/06/technology/yahoo-answers-shutting-down.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20210407&instance_id=28950&nl=the-morning&regi_id=68829381&segment_id=55022&te=1&user_id=6ab60fa5dc4f5e0642625b1b6bcd807c>

    THIS is why tinyurl exists!

    Did they have Firefox and other Mozilla apps support?

    Probably not, but perhaps there are secret unsavory relationships about
    which we know nothing.

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "We're from the Government. We're here to help."

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