Long time, no see!
I would like to edit the pure text message that is sent together with
the HTML message I prefer to compose - but which are grosely formatted.
Do you know if this is possible? Or do I have to sent 2 messages, every
time I want that a nice pure text message is also sent?
I would like to edit the pure text message that is sent together withSend an attachment of your "nice pure text message". Just one message
the HTML message I prefer to compose - but which are grosely formatted.
Do you know if this is possible? Or do I have to sent 2 messages, every
time I want that a nice pure text message is also sent?
with HTML as well as Text message that is nicely formatted!!
Shame that Brazillians cancelled the Match between Brazil v Argentina.
The entire world wanted to view this match on their TVs but the Health Officers had a different idea.
How's Pele doing? Is he out of the hospital or is he still undergoing
checks?
I would like to edit the pure text message that is sent together withSend an attachment of your "nice pure text message". Just one message
the HTML message I prefer to compose - but which are grosely formatted.
Do you know if this is possible? Or do I have to sent 2 messages, every
time I want that a nice pure text message is also sent?
with HTML as well as Text message that is nicely formatted!!
For being pure text, will it be visualized together with the messages,
in most scenarios? I always imagined that Thunderbird usually did a nice
work with them, but i sent a block of preformatted lines in monospaced
font (a long set of formatted lines, a terminal session, with commands
and their output manually formatted for the message), and it was
completely destroyed! Thunderbird mixed all of them in a big new
paragraph - obviously, very hard to read and understand.
Balaco ocalaB wrote on 7/9/21 12:53 pm:
I would like to edit the pure text message that is sent together withSend an attachment of your "nice pure text message". Just one message
the HTML message I prefer to compose - but which are grosely formatted. >>>> Do you know if this is possible? Or do I have to sent 2 messages, every >>>> time I want that a nice pure text message is also sent?
with HTML as well as Text message that is nicely formatted!!
For being pure text, will it be visualized together with the messages,
in most scenarios? I always imagined that Thunderbird usually did a nice
work with them, but i sent a block of preformatted lines in monospaced
font (a long set of formatted lines, a terminal session, with commands
and their output manually formatted for the message), and it was
completely destroyed! Thunderbird mixed all of them in a big new
paragraph - obviously, very hard to read and understand.
Balaco ocalab, normally I would have thought 'Good Guy' would be the
exact person to be able to help you with your situation ..... Because, normally, when he starts a thread, he send a post containing both HTML
and *Plain Text* (not *pure test* ) and he posts whatever he wants to
ask in the HTML portion of his post and then includes, in the Plain text portion, a message telling the reader that they should be reading in
HTML to read his actual post ...... which means a lot of the people
reading here *DON'T* read his actual post!
But reading what he posted in reply to your message, I'm not sure he
realises what you are asking .... either that or the process to post
separate messages in the one PT & HTML post is different to what I
expected!
...I doubt if there's any mail client where you can do that.
It would be very strange if you see a totally different message if
you view the message in HTML of in plain text.
Only the layout of the message should differ.
For being pure text, will it be visualized together with the messages,
in most scenarios? I always imagined that Thunderbird usually did a nice
work with them, but i sent a block of preformatted lines in monospaced
font (a long set of formatted lines, a terminal session, with commands
and their output manually formatted for the message), and it was
completely destroyed! Thunderbird mixed all of them in a big new
paragraph - obviously, very hard to read and understand.
On 9/7/21 2:02 AM, Onno Ekker wrote:
...I doubt if there's any mail client where you can do that.
I'm not aware of any mainstream email client that will allow you to
choose which (presumably equal) alternative parts to show.
It would be very strange if you see a totally different message if
you view the message in HTML of in plain text.
I actually see differences in content way too often.
Admittedly it's almost always bulk mail; marketing or spam, which has
-- what I'll call -- real content in the HTML part and a generic place
holder in the text part; "This message is best viewed as HTML bla bla >bla....".
Rarely do I see text and HTML parts that are quite similar but have >incidental problems, like a utility bill email reminder fails to do a >substitution in one part that it does in the other, thus having place
holder text {{last-name}} / _BALANCE_DUE_ type thing.
Only the layout of the message should differ.
Agreed.
Thankfully that's most of what I see.
My understanding (assumption) is that Thunderbird takes the HTML
message and strips the HTML formatting to generate the plain text
version. I'd think that would suffice for most things. The most
likely problem will be around white space alignment or non-printable
text characters.
Balaco ocalaB,
I would like to edit the pure text message that is sent together
with the HTML message I prefer to compose
I've not heard of any standard newsgroup/email posting program which offers that.
But you could put the txt into a seperate file and add it as an attachment
to your HTML message (or vice-verse). As long as the newsgroup accepts HTML messages it will most likely accept attachments too.
As a bit of a test I've attached a "some pure text.txt" file. Lets see if
it works ...
Downside : the message will than still/also contain the "all of them in a
big new paragraph" text too, as that part is auto-generated - unless you can force a "HTML only" mode.
But a suggestion : ask 'Good Guy' how he does it. There is a chance that he's willing to share that knowledge.
I always imagined that Thunderbird usually did a nice
work with them,
It fully depends on how you formatted your HTML. Simple HTML tags (like
BR, P and alike) are easily converted. Other more complex tags, not so much.
On 07/09/2021 03:53, Balaco ocalaB wrote:
For being pure text, will it be visualized together with the messages,Try this:
in most scenarios? I always imagined that Thunderbird usually did a nice
work with them, but i sent a block of preformatted lines in monospaced
font (a long set of formatted lines, a terminal session, with commands
and their output manually formatted for the message), and it was
completely destroyed! Thunderbird mixed all of them in a big new
paragraph - obviously, very hard to read and understand.
Create a <pre> ... </pre> block and paste your mono-spaced text
between the two tags. Make sure the font-size is 10px or use something
like so:
<pre style="font-size: 10px;"> ... </pre>
Replace dots with your text.
For being pure text, will it be visualized together with the messages,
in most scenarios? I always imagined that Thunderbird usually did a nice
work with them, but i sent a block of preformatted lines in monospaced
font (a long set of formatted lines, a terminal session, with commands
and their output manually formatted for the message), and it was
completely destroyed! Thunderbird mixed all of them in a big new
paragraph - obviously, very hard to read and understand.
On 07/09/2021 03:53, Balaco ocalaB wrote:
For being pure text, will it be visualized together with the messages,Try this:
in most scenarios? I always imagined that Thunderbird usually did a nice
work with them, but i sent a block of preformatted lines in monospaced
font (a long set of formatted lines, a terminal session, with commands
and their output manually formatted for the message), and it was
completely destroyed! Thunderbird mixed all of them in a big new
paragraph - obviously, very hard to read and understand.
Create a <pre> ... </pre> block and paste your mono-spaced text between
the two tags. Make sure the font-size is 10px or use something like so:
<pre style="font-size: 10px;"> ... </pre>
Replace dots with your text.
Em 07/09/2021 14:02, 😉 Good Guy 😉 escreveu:
On 07/09/2021 03:53, Balaco ocalaB wrote:Try:
For being pure text, will it be visualized together with the messages,Try this:
in most scenarios? I always imagined that Thunderbird usually did a nice >>> work with them, but i sent a block of preformatted lines in monospaced
font (a long set of formatted lines, a terminal session, with commands
and their output manually formatted for the message), and it was
completely destroyed! Thunderbird mixed all of them in a big new
paragraph - obviously, very hard to read and understand.
Create a <pre> ... </pre> block and paste your mono-spaced text
between the two tags. Make sure the font-size is 10px or use something
like so:
<pre style="font-size: 10px;"> ... </pre>
Replace dots with your text.
<pre>
2021.09.19 18:32:35 [ 0] me@compo: /var/log
$ cd /
2021.09.19 18:32:38 [ 0] me@compo: /
$ cd var
2021.09.19 18:32:41 [ 0] me@compo: /var
$ cd log
2021.09.19 18:32:46 [ 0] me@compo: /var/log
$ ls
total 13M
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2021.09.19 18:32:50 [ 0] me@compo: /var/log
$
</pre>
Let's see what happens... ((sending))
Can we write HTML source when composing HTML messages?
What you suggested does not work, @Good Guy.
My problem is that Thunderbird completely and nonsensely
destroyed the contents preformatted in HTML.
Bold, italic, striked and underscored are formattings that i
wanted to show in text too
Em 19/09/2021 18:36, Balaco ocalaB escreveu:
What you suggested does not work, @Good Guy.
Balaco,
My problem is that Thunderbird completely and nonsenselyThat sounds like it just strips /all/ HTML tags, and possibly line-ends too (if they where there to begin with). Yep, thats the absolute easiest way to deal with a HTML -> text conversion - but regulary, as you have experienced, gives crap results.
destroyed the contents preformatted in HTML.
You could try to press the ENTER key at certain points in your HTML text,
and see if those line-ends survive the conversion of HTML -> text. It won't give spectacular results, but at least than you can create paragraphs.
Bold, italic, striked and underscored are formattings that iAlas, plain textfiles do not have any such formattings. But, you can
wanted to show in text too
always use "markdown" in them : "*bold*", "/italic/" and "_underscore_".
Most text editors/viewers won't do anything with those markdowns, but humans will know what was ment. :-)
Bottom line : if you want both the HTML and plain-text parts to have formatting to your liking you can't leave it upto the emal/newsprogram to convert from HTML to plain text. Meaning you need to find an
email/newsgroup posting program which allows you to edit both.
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
Did you use Markdown syntax together with HTML formatting in
your message?
Which client are you using?
I see the 3 inline examples you gave having their visual
representation.
But when i click on Thunderbird "reply as text", the default for this account, i only see the text and the Markdown syntax, as expected;
but the same happens when i ask it to reply as HTML! This is strange
to me. Thunderbird recognizes markdown, but just for showing messages??
Thank you for the other comments you made. They sum up and/or
add to what i knew. (:
**bold*
*
//italic//
__underscored__
Please tell me what you see in both messages (i will do it too, anyway).
Balaco,
Did you use Markdown syntax together with HTML formatting in
your message?
No, I wrote the message as plain text only.
Which client are you using?
A very old one : Outlook Express 6 (OE6)
I see the 3 inline examples you gave having their visual
representation.
You mean you see them as bold, italic and underlined ? In that case its your Thunderbird recognising the markdown (just as it recognises HTML).
But when i click on Thunderbird "reply as text", the default for this
account, i only see the text and the Markdown syntax, as expected;
but the same happens when i ask it to reply as HTML! This is strange
to me. Thunderbird recognizes markdown, but just for showing messages??
For HTML ? not /that/ strange : you're either using HTML *or* markdown. Not both at the same time.
For plain text ? Not that strange either, as you than write what someone else (like me) will actually see : with those "*", "/" or "_" characters (single our doubled) next to the (group of) words.
Thank you for the other comments you made. They sum up and/or
add to what i knew. (:
You're welcome :-)
**bold*
*
//italic//
__underscored__
Please tell me what you see in both messages (i will do it too, anyway).
When I'm reading it in plain text mode I see those words between two "**", "//" and "__" sets - though for some reason the last "*" after "bold" has been moved to the next line.
When I'm looking at it in HTML mode I see "bold" bolded, but also with one asterix at both sides, "italic" in italic, again with one slash at both sides, and "underscored" underscored, also with one underscore at both
sides. In other words, it looks like OE6 only needs a single "*", "/" or "_" at either side of the word (and therefore displays the second one).
Ame como se ninguém nunca houvesse feito você sofrer. Trabalhe como se
não precisasse do dinheiro. /Dance como se ninguém estivesse olhando./ Cante como se ninguém estivesse ouvindo. Viva como se fosse no paraíso. Curta o que de melhor a vida lhe oferece, com toda intensidade, como se
fosse o último dia da sua vida. A vida muitas vezes é curta, mas mesmo assim, _o seu caminho é longo_. Nela aprendemos a sorrir, chorar, amar, sofrer, e a renascer, para amanhecer e termos um lindo e novo dia. Não
deixe para amanhã o que pode ser feito hoje. Ontem já passou, e amanhã talvez não chegue. *Seja feliz! Sempre!*
Which client are you using?
A very old one : Outlook Express 6 (OE6)
Brave. hehe
You mean you see them as bold, italic and underlined ? In that case its
your Thunderbird recognising the markdown (just as it recognises HTML).
Yes, and this is curious. I never supposed it would do this.
Now, this message is only pure text, and i will simply use some
markdown in the next paragraph.
Balaco,
Which client are you using?
A very old one : Outlook Express 6 (OE6)
Brave. hehe
Not really. All these years it has been doing pretty-much exactly what I needed it for (even though I made some alterations), so I have no need to replace it with something else.
Though I would not mind taking a look at a (email and) newsgroup reader
which would allow me to script (vbs?, js?, other?) my own actions (coloring, marking, multi-level hiding) for incoming messages. OE6 only allows me to select some pre-defined ones, which simply do not do the trick well enough.
You mean you see them as bold, italic and underlined ? In that case its >>> your Thunderbird recognising the markdown (just as it recognises HTML).
Yes, and this is curious. I never supposed it would do this.
I would never have thought that usenet read/write programs would support HTML. But here we are. :-)
Now, this message is only pure text, and i will simply use some
markdown in the next paragraph.
All I see is flat text. OE6 doesn't try to interpret the markdowns.
But a bit of a warning : those markdown symbols also have a normal usage,
and could easily cause unexpected, strange results.
I wonder what you see when I write 7*5+3*8 .... Something like 75+38 with the 5+3 part bold perhaps ?
Same for linux pathnames : /user/configuration. You might see that as "userconfiguration" with the first word in italics ...
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
It's my understanding that when you want to put some HTML-type coding in a plain text file, the 'other side' of the HTML-type coding *HAD* to be a
space
so *5+3* might show up as BOLDED ... but the '+' might muck things up (be
a non-recognised character).
Balaco,
Now, this message is only pure text, and i will simply use some
markdown in the next paragraph.
All I see is flat text. OE6 doesn't try to interpret the markdowns.
But a bit of a warning : those markdown symbols also have a normal usage,
and could easily cause unexpected, strange results.
I wonder what you see when I write 7*5+3*8 .... Something like 75+38 with the 5+3 part bold perhaps ?
Same for linux pathnames : /user/configuration. You might see that as "userconfiguration" with the first word in italics ...
in HTML, use the <b>this must be BOLD</b> tag or
<strong>this must be STRONG</strong> tag
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