• Death of news.mozilla.org

    From WaltS48@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Mar 28 08:10:23 2021
    On 3/28/21 2:20 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
    WaltS48 wrote:

    What else does it say in the announcements in m.s.firefox,
    m.s.thunderbird and others?

    I'm thinking that people who have stuck with usenet, don't really want
    to use forums

    Would others like to see e.g. alt.comp.software.firefox and alt.comp.software.thunderbird ?


    I thought Mozilla operated their own NNTP server at news.mozilla.org,
    which is separate from Usenet, and connected to the mailing lists and
    archived at Google Groups. It is the server I'm using.

    I did find m.s.thunderbird on my Usenet-News  server account, but as

    been pointed out somewhere those are scrapped and not hosted there.

    Maybe, but don't forget alt.comp.software.seamonkey.

    --
    OS: Fedora 33 Workstation - Gnome Desktop https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/get-involved/

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 28 13:48:43 2021
    On 28/03/2021 13:08, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 at 08:23:23, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote
    (my responses usually follow points raised):
    Andy Burns wrote:

    Chris Ilias wrote:

    Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
    mailing lists (list.mozilla.org)
    So where will people decamp to?

    Indicate any support for alt.comp.software.thunderbird
    over in alt.config
    news:icaoikFfmtU1@mid.individual.net

    Indicate any support for alt.comp.software.firefox
    over in alt.config
    news:icaoinFfmvU1@mid.individual.net

    I support both (but clicking on the above made nothing happen [my fault
    I know]).

    Go to your usual usenet news server and subscribe to alt.config. Then
    you can add your support in reply to Andy's messages.

    --

    Jeff

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 28 15:13:45 2021
    J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

    I support both (but clicking on the above made nothing happen [my fault
    I know]).

    Yes, I knew that support for news: URLs was patchy at best, if you
    subscribe to alt.config, you should see my two proposals there and could
    repeat your support there?

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 28 15:16:48 2021
    WaltS48 wrote:

    I thought Mozilla operated their own NNTP server at news.mozilla.org,
    which is separate from Usenet

    It's usenet but without any [official] peering so it's like there own
    private island

    and connected to the mailing lists and
    archived at Google Groups. It is the server I'm using.

    Yes, that's what they're killing-off.

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  • From WaltS48@21:1/5 to EnDeeGee on Sun Mar 28 10:41:12 2021
    On 3/27/21 9:53 PM, EnDeeGee wrote:
    On 27-Mar.-2021 21:27, WaltS48 wrote:
    On 3/27/21 7:11 PM, EnDeeGee wrote:
    On 27-Mar.-2021 18:40, WaltS48 wrote:
    On 3/27/21 6:06 PM, Big Al wrote:
    On 3/27/21 5:32 PM, this is what WaltS48 wrote:
    On 3/27/21 5:21 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
    Chris Ilias wrote:

    Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server
    (news.mozilla.org) and mailing lists (list.mozilla.org)

    So where will people decamp to?  I can't see any TB/FF groups on

    other news servers


    What else does it say in the announcements in m.s.firefox,
    m.s.thunderbird and others?

    I think there are suggestions there.

    Chris took the time to make a nice write up about alternate places
    to go.   Not sure how much traffic they get, but when this shuts
    down and
    people migrate.... the volume will go up (should).

    Yes, he did in the calendar, browser and email support groups.

    I suggest reading them.

    Another alternative not mentioned in those posts is the mozillaZine
    site.

    "mozillaZine is an independent Mozilla community and advocacy site.
    We're not affiliated or endorsed by the Mozilla Corporation but we
    love them just the same."

    <http://forums.mozillazine.org/index.php>

    Which is still around more than a year after it was announced that
    it was shutting down.


    What kind of garbage is that.

    This is what I get from your link:
    "You have been banned from this board until March 30th, 2022, 11:00 pm.
    If you believe this is an error, please try closing your browser and
    clearing your cache.
    If you still have an issue, and believe it's an error, put the word
    "anything" in the Search Boards text box and click on GO. Click on
    any result and then click on Board Index. The problem should go
    away. A ban has been issued on your IP address."


    This is the first time I've been to that site and this is the last
    time too. :-(

    One less person to support then.

    Did you try closing your browser and clearing your cache?

    Putting the word "anything" in the the Search Boards text box?

    What have you been doing from that IP address to be banned?


    Never been there before and don't intend to go again.
    Lousy way to treat new customers. Just said f... it and moved on to
    new pasture. :-)

    Well, I found this which may help, but if you're going to have an
    attitude about it and don't want to follow the instructions, they
    probably don't need you there.

    <http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3072548>

    Basically says the same thing if you aren't allowed to visit the link.

    I've been there since 2010.

    You could ask on the m.s.firefox newsgroup for help while it is still
    around.

    --
    OS: Fedora 33 Workstation - Gnome Desktop https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/get-involved/

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Mar 28 09:11:17 2021
    On 03/28/2021 07:13 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

    I support both (but clicking on the above made nothing happen [my fault
    I know]).

    Yes, I knew that support for news: URLs was patchy at best, if you
    subscribe to alt.config, you should see my two proposals there and could repeat your support there?

    Done. How about moz.gen too?

    I participated in a rec. group creation long ago. The memory is still
    painful :-(

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    Vampireware; n, a project capable of sucking the lifeblood
    out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it,
    which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless
    refuses to die. -- Trygve Lode

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Mar 28 18:14:19 2021
    Andy Burns wrote:

    Chris Ilias wrote:

    Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
    mailing lists (list.mozilla.org)

    Indicate any support for alt.comp.software.thunderbird
    over in alt.config

    Indicate any support for alt.comp.software.firefox
    over in alt.config

    It's been gently pointed out to me that I should NOT have requested
    expressions of support over in alt.config, that is just for discussion
    of the proposal(s), not "me too" posts.

    It's also suggested to call any new group "alt.comp.mozilla.firefox"
    instead of "alt.comp.software.firefox"

    another user has suggested a similar group for seamonkey which I will
    include (though I have to say m.s.seamonkey looks in a worse state than m.s.firefox or m.s.thunderbird)

    I do wish we'd had more than a weeks notice of the groups closure!

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Mar 28 10:17:39 2021
    On 03/28/2021 10:14 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
    Andy Burns wrote:

    Chris Ilias wrote:

    Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
    mailing lists (list.mozilla.org)

    Indicate any support for alt.comp.software.thunderbird
    over in alt.config

    Indicate any support for alt.comp.software.firefox
    over in alt.config

    It's been gently pointed out to me that I should NOT have requested expressions of support over in alt.config, that is just for discussion
    of the proposal(s), not "me too" posts.

    It's also suggested to call any new group "alt.comp.mozilla.firefox"
    instead of "alt.comp.software.firefox"

    another user has suggested a similar group for seamonkey which I will
    include (though I have to say m.s.seamonkey looks in a worse state than m.s.firefox or m.s.thunderbird)

    I do wish we'd had more than a weeks notice of the groups closure!

    Hey, it's ChrisI. We should be glad we got any notice at all!

    Upon reflection, perhaps alt.comp.mozilla.general would grab more users.
    Certainly more "banned" users...

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "When your enemies are making mistakes, don't interrupt them."
    -- from the film 'Moneyball'

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  • From Wolf K@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Sun Mar 28 13:44:09 2021
    On 2021-03-28 03:28, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 28/03/2021 07:20, Andy Burns wrote:
    WaltS48 wrote:

    What else does it say in the announcements in m.s.firefox,
    m.s.thunderbird and others?

    I'm thinking that people who have stuck with usenet, don't really want
    to use forums

    +1

    And *especially* not groups/forums in antisocial meeja!

    Would others like to see e.g. alt.comp.software.firefox and
    alt.comp.software.thunderbird ?

    Of course! I was wondering if it would be possible for another news
    server to carry the FF and TB support groups that we're about to lose.


    You can get it via NewsHosting, but AIUI, it merely relays what's on
    Mozilla's news/list server.

    --
    Wolf K
    "You know, doing what is right is easy. The problem is knowing what is
    right." Lyndon B. Johnson

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  • From Wolf K@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 28 13:37:46 2021
    On 2021-03-27 21:27, WaltS48 wrote:
    On 3/27/21 7:11 PM, EnDeeGee wrote:
    On 27-Mar.-2021 18:40, WaltS48 wrote:
    On 3/27/21 6:06 PM, Big Al wrote:
    On 3/27/21 5:32 PM, this is what WaltS48 wrote:
    On 3/27/21 5:21 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
    Chris Ilias wrote:

    Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) >>>>>>> and mailing lists (list.mozilla.org)

    So where will people decamp to?  I can't see any TB/FF groups on

    other news servers


    What else does it say in the announcements in m.s.firefox,
    m.s.thunderbird and others?

    I think there are suggestions there.

    Chris took the time to make a nice write up about alternate places
    to go.   Not sure how much traffic they get, but when this shuts
    down and
    people migrate.... the volume will go up (should).

    Yes, he did in the calendar, browser and email support groups.

    I suggest reading them.

    Another alternative not mentioned in those posts is the mozillaZine
    site.

    "mozillaZine is an independent Mozilla community and advocacy site.
    We're not affiliated or endorsed by the Mozilla Corporation but we
    love them just the same."

    <http://forums.mozillazine.org/index.php>

    Which is still around more than a year after it was announced that it
    was shutting down.


    What kind of garbage is that.

    This is what I get from your link:
    "You have been banned from this board until March 30th, 2022, 11:00 pm.
    If you believe this is an error, please try closing your browser and
    clearing your cache.
    If you still have an issue, and believe it's an error, put the word
    "anything" in the Search Boards text box and click on GO. Click on any
    result and then click on Board Index. The problem should go away. A
    ban has been issued on your IP address."


    This is the first time I've been to that site and this is the last
    time too. :-(

    One less person to support then.

    Did you try closing your browser and clearing your cache?

    Putting the word "anything" in the the Search Boards text box?

    What have you been doing from that IP address to be banned?



    Closing the tab, then reopening from the above link gives you a working
    page.

    --
    Wolf K
    "You know, doing what is right is easy. The problem is knowing what is
    right." Lyndon B. Johnson

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  • From WaltS48@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Sun Mar 28 13:47:53 2021
    On 3/28/21 1:17 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 03/28/2021 10:14 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
    Andy Burns wrote:

    Chris Ilias wrote:

    Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and >>>>> mailing lists (list.mozilla.org)

    Indicate any support for alt.comp.software.thunderbird
    over in alt.config

    Indicate any support for alt.comp.software.firefox
    over in alt.config

    It's been gently pointed out to me that I should NOT have requested
    expressions of support over in alt.config, that is just for discussion
    of the proposal(s), not "me too" posts.

    It's also suggested to call any new group "alt.comp.mozilla.firefox"
    instead of "alt.comp.software.firefox"

    another user has suggested a similar group for seamonkey which I will
    include (though I have to say m.s.seamonkey looks in a worse state than
    m.s.firefox or m.s.thunderbird)

    I do wish we'd had more than a weeks notice of the groups closure!

    Hey, it's ChrisI.  We should be glad we got any notice at all!

    Upon reflection, perhaps alt.comp.mozilla.general would grab more
    users. Certainly more "banned" users...


    While your bitching about your inconvenience keep in mind the Firefox, SeaMonkey, Thunderbird, security, planning and other developers also
    have to find new locations for their discussions.

    You can open the Manage Subscriptions dialog at the account level to get
    an idea of how many more are affected by the shutdowns. If your outdated
    38.2.0 has that link.

    How could they do this to themselves!!!

    I'm subscribed to 15 Mozilla newsgroups and a few mailing lists not
    connected to newsgroups.

    --
    OS: Fedora 33 Workstation - Gnome Desktop https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/get-involved/

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 28 19:01:09 2021
    WaltS48 wrote:

    I'm subscribed to 15 Mozilla newsgroups and a few mailing lists not
    connected to newsgroups.

    on news.m.o the only groups I subscribe to are m.s.firefox,
    m.s.thunderbird and m.general, I don't know how active any of the others
    are, in fact I just looked at m.s.seamonkey and notice they didn't even
    get the courtesy of the death notice from Chris.

    Even if the alt.comp.mozilla.* groups go ahead, they're not likely to
    exist before news.m.o goes dark. So in the meantime can I suggest "alt.fan.mozilla" as a place we can congregate, it's fairly dead but it
    exists, and nobody can take it away ...

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  • From s|b@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Sun Mar 28 21:50:26 2021
    On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 13:48:43 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote:

    Go to your usual usenet news server and subscribe to alt.config. Then
    you can add your support in reply to Andy's messages.

    Or use a newsreader that supports message-ids. <g>

    --
    s|b

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  • From s|b@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Mar 28 21:45:32 2021
    On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 21:21:20 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

    Chris Ilias wrote:

    Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and mailing lists (list.mozilla.org)

    Where is the original message? I can't see any reference message-id in
    your headers.

    --
    s|b

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  • From s|b@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Mar 28 21:52:12 2021
    On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 18:14:19 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

    I do wish we'd had more than a weeks notice of the groups closure!

    What a fucking asshole to only announce this with a couple of days
    notice. Shows he doesn't care on bit about Usenet.

    --
    s|b

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 28 20:57:29 2021
    s|b wrote:

    Where is the original message? I can't see any reference message-id in
    your headers.

    <mailman.50.1616875885.1153.support-firefox@lists.mozilla.org>

    It gets messy because of the gateway between mailing list and news
    group, howardknight can't find it because it's a private server not a
    usenet server

    try a link to the google archive ...

    <https://groups.google.com/g/mozilla.support.firefox/c/SxAJiCEQZAQ/m/Ct_29PwtBwAJ>

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  • From WaltS48@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 28 16:35:28 2021
    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 3/28/21 3:52 PM, s|b wrote:
    On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 18:14:19 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

    I do wish we'd had more than a weeks notice of the groups closure!
    What a fucking asshole to only announce this with a couple of days
    notice. Shows he doesn't care on bit about Usenet.

    Shows he didn't get the closing dates until he posted the messages ,and
    did so as soon as he got the confirmed date information.

    How do I know this information? It is because I'm subscribed to
    tb-planning, which also has to find a new home, and where they have been discussing this since 3/23 but no exact date was mentioned.

    You are aware that most all of the Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey
    developers and other users of the mailing lists < > newsgroup < > Google
    Groups archive are in the same position and have to find alternatives or
    create them.

    Okay, so sue me for not leaking the information. 🤐

    --
    OS: Fedora 33 Workstation - Gnome Desktop https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/get-involved/


    <html>
    <head>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
    </head>
    <body>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/28/21 3:52 PM, s|b wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
    cite="mid:K7OdnVf6K_zxQ_39nZ2dnUU7-YmdnZ2d@mozilla.org">
    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 18:14:19
    +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

    </pre>
    <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I do wish we'd had more than a weeks notice of the groups closure!
    </pre>
    </blockquote>
    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">
    What a fucking asshole to only announce this with a couple of days
    notice. Shows he doesn't care on bit about Usenet.

    </pre>
    </blockquote>
    <p>Shows he didn't get the closing dates until he posted the
    messages ,and did so as soon as he got the confirmed date
    information.</p>
    <p>How
  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Mar 28 14:29:05 2021
    On 03/28/2021 11:01 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
    WaltS48 wrote:

    I'm subscribed to 15 Mozilla newsgroups and a few mailing lists not
    connected to newsgroups.

    on news.m.o the only groups I subscribe to are m.s.firefox,
    m.s.thunderbird and m.general, I don't know how active any of the others
    are, in fact I just looked at m.s.seamonkey and notice they didn't even
    get the courtesy of the death notice from Chris.

    Even if the alt.comp.mozilla.* groups go ahead, they're not likely to
    exist before news.m.o goes dark. So in the meantime can I suggest "alt.fan.mozilla" as a place we can congregate, it's fairly dead but it exists, and nobody can take it away ...

    I like that.

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    Organized people will never know the sheer joyous ecstasy of finding
    something that was believed to have been irretrievably lost.
    -- D. Stern

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 28 14:32:59 2021
    On 03/28/2021 01:35 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
    On 3/28/21 3:52 PM, s|b wrote:
    On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 18:14:19
    +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

    I do wish we'd had more than a weeks notice of the groups closure!
    What a fucking asshole to only announce this with a couple of days
    notice. Shows he doesn't care on bit about Usenet.

    Shows he didn't get the closing dates until he posted the messages ,and
    did so as soon as he got the confirmed date information.

    I'm unwilling to give him the benefit of the doubt. Turnabout is fair play.

    How do I know this information? It is because I'm subscribed to
    tb-planning, which also has to find a new home, and where they have been discussing this since 3/23 but no exact date was mentioned.

    You are aware that most all of the Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey
    developers and other users of the mailing lists < > newsgroup < > Google Groups archive are in the same position and have to find alternatives or create them.

    Okay, so sue me for not leaking the information. 🤐

    What, they were afraid we'd short the stock before they sold theirs?


    --
    Cheers, Bev
    Organized people will never know the sheer joyous ecstasy of finding
    something that was believed to have been irretrievably lost.
    -- D. Stern

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 28 14:28:24 2021
    On 03/28/2021 10:47 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
    On 3/28/21 1:17 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 03/28/2021 10:14 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
    Andy Burns wrote:

    Chris Ilias wrote:

    Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and >>>>>> mailing lists (list.mozilla.org)

    Indicate any support for alt.comp.software.thunderbird
    over in alt.config

    Indicate any support for alt.comp.software.firefox
    over in alt.config

    It's been gently pointed out to me that I should NOT have requested
    expressions of support over in alt.config, that is just for discussion
    of the proposal(s), not "me too" posts.

    It's also suggested to call any new group "alt.comp.mozilla.firefox"
    instead of "alt.comp.software.firefox"

    another user has suggested a similar group for seamonkey which I will
    include (though I have to say m.s.seamonkey looks in a worse state than
    m.s.firefox or m.s.thunderbird)

    I do wish we'd had more than a weeks notice of the groups closure!

    Hey, it's ChrisI. We should be glad we got any notice at all!

    Upon reflection, perhaps alt.comp.mozilla.general would grab more
    users. Certainly more "banned" users...

    While your bitching about your inconvenience keep in mind the Firefox, SeaMonkey, Thunderbird, security, planning and other developers also
    have to find new locations for their discussions.

    You can open the Manage Subscriptions dialog at the account level to get
    an idea of how many more are affected by the shutdowns. If your outdated 38.2.0 has that link.

    No idea. Ever since the devs chewed me out for bothering them (Their
    ultimate answer was "Oh yeah, that doesn't work in linux" after I'd been tweaking around for several days) I figure they can solve their own
    problems. Fucking up the specifications/instructions is inexcusable.

    How could they do this to themselves!!!

    I'm subscribed to 15 Mozilla newsgroups and a few mailing lists not
    connected to newsgroups.

    I suppose we shouldn't complain -- after all, how much did we pay for it?

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    Organized people will never know the sheer joyous ecstasy of finding
    something that was believed to have been irretrievably lost.
    -- D. Stern

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Sun Mar 28 23:36:53 2021
    The Real Bev wrote:

    WTF?  Why me?  What idiot has some sort of automatic response to posts
    in moz.gen?

    Every single time I post into this group I get the following message

    ditto ...

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 28 15:34:14 2021
    WTF? Why me? What idiot has some sort of automatic response to posts
    in moz.gen?

    Every single time I post into this group I get the following message from

    abuse@namesiloabuse.freshdesk.com

    with the Subject something like

    #30225425 Abuse report - Re: Death of news.mozilla.org - Legal Team is being Notified about this case...

    ===================================================
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    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "...and then I'll become a veterinarian because I love children."
    -- Julie Brown

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  • From WaltS48@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Sun Mar 28 18:41:07 2021
    On 3/28/21 6:34 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    WTF?  Why me?  What idiot has some sort of automatic response
    to posts
    in moz.gen?

    Every single time I post into this group I get the following message from

        abuse@namesiloabuse.freshdesk.com

    with the Subject something like

        #30225425 Abuse report - Re: Death of news.mozilla.org - Legal
    Team is being   Notified about this case...


    Go back to alt.fan.mozilla.

    You was there in June of 2018 still using TB 38.2.0, but maybe it was
    current at that time. 😉

    --
    OS: Fedora 33 Workstation - Gnome Desktop https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/get-involved/

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  • From Wolf K@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Sun Mar 28 19:20:01 2021
    On 2021-03-28 18:34, The Real Bev wrote:
    WTF?  Why me?  What idiot has some sort of automatic response to posts
    in moz.gen?

    Every single time I post into this group I get the following message from

        abuse@namesiloabuse.freshdesk.com

    with the Subject something like

        #30225425 Abuse report - Re: Death of news.mozilla.org - Legal Team is being   Notified about this case...

    ===================================================
    Hi,

    many thanks for your report.

    Please note this request will be addressed by our Legal Department, in conjunction with our Abuse Team, if warranted.

    If the report is applicable, we will work to resolve the issue as
    quickly as possible. Please note that while we are happy to review any
    claim that a domain is violating our ToS, we do reserve the right to
    judge the appropriate response in our sole discretion.  If NameSilo is
    not the correct Registrar, we shall not be able to respond to this allegation. Please take steps to ensure that you are contacting the appropriate party in regards to this complaint. You can find information
    on the domain in question by performing a Whois query at http://www.who.is.

    We also recommend to contact the hosting provider directly, which you
    can find via https://www.whoishostingthis.com/

    Kind regards,

    NameSilo Abuse Team

    NameSilo Abuse Portal powered by Freshdesk 30225425:175916 ======================================================




    I got it too. Now there will likely be another one.....

    --
    Wolf K
    "You know, doing what is right is easy. The problem is knowing what is
    right." Lyndon B. Johnson

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to Wolf K on Mon Mar 29 01:00:00 2021
    On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 at 19:20:01, Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
    On 2021-03-28 18:34, The Real Bev wrote:
    WTF? Why me? What idiot has some sort of automatic response to
    posts in moz.gen?
    Every single time I post into this group I get the following message
    from
    abuse@namesiloabuse.freshdesk.com
    []
    I got it too. Now there will likely be another one.....

    Ditto (including to the "Now there ...").

    We've had something similar before: I think it's that somehow,
    deliberately or accidentally, some address of a company has been signed
    up to the mailing-list version of this 'group, set to send individual
    posts rather than daily or weekly digest; the result being whenever
    anyone posts, the company gets an email, "from" the poster, and their
    system automatically responds, to the person.

    Last time, they stopped after a while; this time, presumably, they'll
    stop on the 3rd if they haven't fixed it before then.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Norman Tebbitt has the irritating quality of being much nicer in person than
    he is in print. - Clive Anderson, RT 1996/10/12-18

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  • From Ken Whiton@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 28 22:34:45 2021
    *-* On Sun, 28 Mar 2021, at 08:10:23 -0400,
    *-* In Article <SYydnS_zsKiy7_39nZ2dnUU7-UHNnZ2d@mozilla.org>,
    *-* WaltS48 wrote
    *-* About Re: Death of news.mozilla.org

    [ ... ]

    I thought Mozilla operated their own NNTP server at news.mozilla.org,

    Mozilla doesn't physically operate it. Ever since it was created
    in January, 2006, news.mozilla.org has been hosted on/by Giganews.
    That's what Chris was referring to when he wrote "Sometime after that,
    Giganews will shut down news.mozilla.org, and you will no longer be
    able to access the newsgroup" in his announcement.

    C:\
    Yes Boss?>ping news.mozilla.org

    Pinging news.mozilla.giganews.com [216.166.97.169] with 32 bytes of data:
    Reply from 216.166.97.169: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=54
    Reply from 216.166.97.169: bytes=32 time=26ms TTL=54
    Reply from 216.166.97.169: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=54
    Reply from 216.166.97.169: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=54

    Ping statistics for 216.166.97.169:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
    Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 25ms, Maximum = 28ms, Average = 26ms

    which is separate from Usenet, and connected to the mailing lists and archived at Google Groups. It is the server I'm using.

    I did find m.s.thunderbird on my Usenet-News server account, but as
    been pointed out somewhere those are scrapped and not hosted there.

    The Firefox and Thunderbird support newsgroups can be found on
    many Usenet news servers, but they're not officially distributed to
    Usenet. Some renegade system somewhere is operating what's called a
    "suck feed", pulling most m.s.f and m.s.t posts from news.mozilla.org
    and feeding them into Usenet. As has been mentioned elsewhere, it's
    one-way traffic. Nothing that's posted to those newsgroups from a
    Usenet server ever appears on news.mozilla.org.

    Ken Whiton
    --
    FIDO: 1:132/152
    InterNet: kenwhiton@surfglobal.net.INVAL (remove the obvious to reply)

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 28 22:23:43 2021
    On 03/28/2021 03:41 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
    On 3/28/21 6:34 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    WTF? Why me? What idiot has some sort of automatic response
    to posts
    in moz.gen?

    Every single time I post into this group I get the following message from

    abuse@namesiloabuse.freshdesk.com

    with the Subject something like

    #30225425 Abuse report - Re: Death of news.mozilla.org - Legal
    Team is being Notified about this case...

    Maybe if we post enough here the idiots will kill whatever it is that
    keeps generating these messages.

    Go back to alt.fan.mozilla.

    You was there in June of 2018 still using TB 38.2.0, but maybe it was
    current at that time. 😉

    Not going to update TB. Every time I updated I lost something important
    to me. I update Firefox (reluctantly) because stuff stops working.
    Even so, I need to use Chrome (which I hate) for some stuff that FF
    refuses to do.

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    If I know that chaining yourself to a dead cow is stupid,
    how come Carly makes so much more money than I do?

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Mon Mar 29 07:37:20 2021
    On 28/03/2021 23:34, The Real Bev wrote:
    WTF? Why me? What idiot has some sort of automatic response to posts
    in moz.gen?

    Every single time I post into this group I get the following message from

    abuse@namesiloabuse.freshdesk.com

    with the Subject something like

    #30225425 Abuse report - Re: Death of news.mozilla.org - Legal Team is being Notified about this case...

    ===================================================
    Hi,

    many thanks for your report.

    Please note this request will be addressed by our Legal Department, in conjunction with our Abuse Team, if warranted.

    If the report is applicable, we will work to resolve the issue as
    quickly as possible. Please note that while we are happy to review any
    claim that a domain is violating our ToS, we do reserve the right to
    judge the appropriate response in our sole discretion. If NameSilo is
    not the correct Registrar, we shall not be able to respond to this allegation. Please take steps to ensure that you are contacting the appropriate party in regards to this complaint. You can find information
    on the domain in question by performing a Whois query at http://www.who.is.

    We also recommend to contact the hosting provider directly, which you
    can find via https://www.whoishostingthis.com/

    Kind regards,

    NameSilo Abuse Team

    NameSilo Abuse Portal powered by Freshdesk 30225425:175916 ======================================================

    I'm feeling left out, as I've never seen one of these messages! I assume
    it's because I use a spoofed email address here.

    Can't you filter out those replies from namesiloabuse and get TB to
    delete them automatically?

    --

    Jeff

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to kenwhiton@surfglobal.net.INVAL on Mon Mar 29 09:45:42 2021
    On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 at 22:34:45, Ken Whiton
    <kenwhiton@surfglobal.net.INVAL> wrote (my responses usually follow
    points raised):
    []
    The Firefox and Thunderbird support newsgroups can be found on
    many Usenet news servers, but they're not officially distributed to
    Usenet. Some renegade system somewhere is operating what's called a
    "suck feed", pulling most m.s.f and m.s.t posts from news.mozilla.org
    and feeding them into Usenet. As has been mentioned elsewhere, it's
    one-way traffic. Nothing that's posted to those newsgroups from a
    Usenet server ever appears on news.mozilla.org.

    Ken Whiton

    Given the impending demise, it'd be a nice gesture if Chris Ilias (or
    whoever) _were_ to allow full peering - or at least export of the
    archive - so that they become established; this would be easier than
    either creating new alt.* ones, or trying to resurrect dormant ones. If
    they already exist on some servers, so much the better.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    ... some language may be offensive to younger viewers. Like "please" and
    "thank you". (Intro to /Off Their Rockers/, quoted in RT 25-31 May 2013 by Sarah Millican.)

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Mon Mar 29 08:38:40 2021
    On 03/28/2021 11:37 PM, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 28/03/2021 23:34, The Real Bev wrote:
    WTF? Why me? What idiot has some sort of automatic response to posts
    in moz.gen?

    Every single time I post into this group I get the following message from

    abuse@namesiloabuse.freshdesk.com
    ...
    NameSilo Abuse Portal powered by Freshdesk 30225425:175916
    ======================================================

    I'm feeling left out, as I've never seen one of these messages! I assume
    it's because I use a spoofed email address here.

    Makes sense. I've never hidden this real email address.

    Curiously enough, I get more spam from the private address I use for RL friends, money, etc. I suspect a friend (one of the ones that doesn't
    realize that the default is REPLY ALL) somehow managed to release it to
    the wild. Gmail is really good about de-spamming that account.

    And speaking of idiots, which one decided that REPLY ALL should be the
    default?

    Can't you filter out those replies from namesiloabuse and get TB to
    delete them automatically?

    Sure, but that's more trouble than it's worth. I wish TB had a more
    reliable method of selecting junk -- every once in a while mail from a
    friend gets put into the junk file so I have to check before emptying
    it. Gmail makes similar errors, but it picks up so much junk that I
    only check it at the website when I'm missing something.

    Yeahyeahyeah, how much are we paying....

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway.

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  • From s|b@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Mon Mar 29 20:58:44 2021
    On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 15:34:14 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

    WTF? Why me? What idiot has some sort of automatic response to posts
    in moz.gen?

    Every single time I post into this group I get the following message from

    abuse@namesiloabuse.freshdesk.com

    with the Subject something like

    Same here. Got one from support@cs.keranique.com as well. My Reply-To is
    valid, but those e-mails are sent directly to my Junk folder.

    --
    s|b

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  • From s|b@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 29 21:02:28 2021
    On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:35:28 -0400, WaltS48 wrote:

    What a fucking asshole to only announce this with a couple of days
    notice. Shows he doesn't care on bit about Usenet.

    Shows he didn't get the closing dates until he posted the messages ,and
    did so as soon as he got the confirmed date information.

    If that is the case, I apologize. When I posted that follow-up I
    couldn't even see the original message, so I was under the impression
    this wasn't even posted on the newsgroup(s).

    So let me rephrase:

    The people who decided this are fucking assholes, to only announce this
    with a couple of days notice. Shows they don't care one bit about
    Usenet.

    --
    s|b

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  • From s|b@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Mon Mar 29 21:09:25 2021
    On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 07:20:41 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

    I'm thinking that people who have stuck with usenet, don't really want
    to use forums

    I try to avoid them. One of the biggest disadvantages is that you can't
    kill filter messages.

    Would others like to see e.g. alt.comp.software.firefox and alt.comp.software.thunderbird ?

    I'd subscribe.

    --
    s|b

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  • From s|b@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Mon Mar 29 21:10:46 2021
    On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 22:12:34 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

    Why the hell is anyone using FascistBook?

    102 of my former usenet/mozilla friends. You can make it better, but
    never as good as usenet.

    I deleted my account a couple of years ago. Not going back.

    --
    s|b

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 29 12:50:33 2021
    On 03/29/2021 12:02 PM, s|b wrote:
    On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 16:35:28 -0400, WaltS48 wrote:

    What a fucking asshole to only announce this with a couple of days
    notice. Shows he doesn't care on bit about Usenet.

    Shows he didn't get the closing dates until he posted the messages ,and
    did so as soon as he got the confirmed date information.

    If that is the case, I apologize. When I posted that follow-up I
    couldn't even see the original message, so I was under the impression
    this wasn't even posted on the newsgroup(s).

    So let me rephrase:

    The people who decided this are fucking assholes, to only announce this
    with a couple of days notice. Shows they don't care one bit about
    Usenet.

    Or their users. User since 1994, but did they ever say thanks? Yeah,
    right!


    --
    Cheers, Bev
    If I know that chaining yourself to a dead cow is stupid,
    how come Carly makes so much more money than I do?

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to me@privacy.invalid on Mon Mar 29 20:51:31 2021
    On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 at 20:58:44, s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote (my
    responses usually follow points raised):
    On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 15:34:14 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

    WTF? Why me? What idiot has some sort of automatic response to posts
    in moz.gen?

    Every single time I post into this group I get the following message from

    abuse@namesiloabuse.freshdesk.com

    with the Subject something like

    Same here. Got one from support@cs.keranique.com as well. My Reply-To is >valid, but those e-mails are sent directly to my Junk folder.

    I've had both too (and this post'll probably trigger another one).
    Probably not worth worrying about them now - I strongly suspect they're triggered by the mailing-list form of this newsgroup, which apparently
    will cease to operate in five days.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Where [other presenters] tackle the world with a box of watercolours, he
    takes a spanner. - David Butcher (on Guy Martin), RT 2015/1/31-2/6

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  • From Sjouke Burry@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Mar 30 01:33:42 2021
    On 28.03.21 8:20, Andy Burns wrote:
    WaltS48 wrote:

    What else does it say in the announcements in m.s.firefox,
    m.s.thunderbird and others?

    I'm thinking that people who have stuck with usenet, don't really want
    to use forums

    Would others like to see e.g. alt.comp.software.firefox and alt.comp.software.thunderbird ?


    Yep. ;)

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Sjouke Burry on Mon Mar 29 19:57:21 2021
    On 03/29/2021 04:33 PM, Sjouke Burry wrote:
    On 28.03.21 8:20, Andy Burns wrote:
    WaltS48 wrote:

    What else does it say in the announcements in m.s.firefox,
    m.s.thunderbird and others?

    I'm thinking that people who have stuck with usenet, don't really want
    to use forums

    Would others like to see e.g. alt.comp.software.firefox and
    alt.comp.software.thunderbird ?


    Yep. ;)

    alt.fan.mozilla already exists and is mostly empty except for some
    ancient spam in Italian. And maybe us.

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    Todd Flanders' hobbies include being quiet on long rides,
    clapping to songs and diabetes.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Tue Mar 30 08:00:50 2021
    The Real Bev wrote:

    alt.fan.mozilla already exists and is mostly empty except for some
    ancient spam in Italian. And maybe us.

    It'll do in the short term to cover the likely "gap" between
    mozilla.support.* going away and alt.comp.software.* getting created,
    and if for $REASONS they don't get created, it may have to do long term...

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  • From Wolf K@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 30 10:38:49 2021
    On 2021-03-28 20:00, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 at 19:20:01, Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
    On 2021-03-28 18:34, The Real Bev wrote:
    WTF?  Why me?  What idiot has some sort of automatic response to
    posts  in moz.gen?
     Every single time I post into this group I get the following message
    from
          abuse@namesiloabuse.freshdesk.com
    []
    I got it too. Now there will likely be another one.....

    Ditto (including to the "Now there ...").

    We've had something similar before: I think it's that somehow,
    deliberately or accidentally, some address of a company has been signed
    up to the mailing-list version of this 'group, set to send individual
    posts rather than daily or weekly digest; the result being whenever
    anyone posts, the company gets an email, "from" the poster, and their
    system automatically responds, to the person.

    Last time, they stopped after a while; this time, presumably, they'll
    stop on the 3rd if they haven't fixed it before then.


    I think you've got it.

    Slight wrinkle: Since I got that auto-reply, I also got several spam
    telling me about some payment "C0nfirmation". So at least one of those companies' servers is infected.

    --
    Wolf K
    "You know, doing what is right is easy. The problem is knowing what is
    right." Lyndon B. Johnson

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  • From Ray_Net@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Mar 30 17:43:13 2021
    Andy Burns wrote on 27-03-21 22:21:
    Chris Ilias wrote:

    Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
    mailing lists (list.mozilla.org)

    So where will people decamp to?  I can't see any TB/FF groups on other
    news servers


    I have been told to go to IRC "freenode" into: "#seamonkey"
    Sujet de #SeaMonkey choisi par ewong!~ezio_audi@SeaMonkey/dev/ewong (Thu
    Mar 11 01:23:26 2021)
    where it's written;
    Logs: https://freenode.logbot.info/seamonkey/
    AND ...
     I tried to go to freenode.logbot.info/seamonkey and my anti-virus says
    : NO ENTRY - there is a trojan

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  • From WaltS48@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 30 12:10:27 2021
    On 3/30/21 11:43 AM, Ray_Net wrote:
    Andy Burns wrote on 27-03-21 22:21:
    Chris Ilias wrote:

    Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
    mailing lists (list.mozilla.org)

    So where will people decamp to?  I can't see any TB/FF groups on
    other news servers


    I have been told to go to IRC "freenode" into: "#seamonkey"
    Sujet de #SeaMonkey choisi par ewong!~ezio_audi@SeaMonkey/dev/ewong
    (Thu Mar 11 01:23:26 2021)
    where it's written;
    Logs: https://freenode.logbot.info/seamonkey/
    AND ...
     I tried to go to freenode.logbot.info/seamonkey and my anti-virus

    says : NO ENTRY - there is a trojan

    Use Chatzilla, set up an account, and join the channel?

    Not much goes on there except development discussion and meetings every
    other Sunday.

    I have seen some support questions.

    --
    OS: Fedora 33 Workstation - Gnome Desktop https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/get-involved/

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  • From s|b@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Tue Mar 30 22:43:37 2021
    On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 19:57:21 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

    alt.fan.mozilla already exists and is mostly empty except for some
    ancient spam in Italian. And maybe us.

    Well, since they're closing down mozilla. I'm not really a fan
    anymore...

    --
    s|b

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  • From s|b@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Tue Mar 30 22:45:36 2021
    On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 12:50:33 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

    Or their users. User since 1994, but did they ever say thanks? Yeah,
    right!

    They thanked me when I bought one of their 'I support Mozilla' T-shirts
    for $30.

    --
    s|b

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  • From WaltS48@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 30 16:53:35 2021
    On 3/30/21 4:43 PM, s|b wrote:
    On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 19:57:21 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

    alt.fan.mozilla already exists and is mostly empty except for some
    ancient spam in Italian. And maybe us.
    Well, since they're closing down mozilla. I'm not really a fan
    anymore...

    The Mozilla Corporation and Mozilla Foundation are closing down?

    Have fun with Edge or Chrome.

    What are their mailing lists, newsgroups locations?

    --
    OS: Fedora 33 Workstation - Gnome Desktop https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/get-involved/

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  • From Frosted Flake@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 30 14:19:57 2021
    s|b wrote:
    On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 19:57:21 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

    alt.fan.mozilla already exists and is mostly empty except for some
    ancient spam in Italian. And maybe us.

    Well, since they're closing down mozilla. I'm not really a fan
    anymore...

    +1 (or -1) as the case may be

    --
    Frosted Flake

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  • From Ray_Net@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 31 00:25:09 2021
    WaltS48 wrote on 30-03-21 18:10:
    On 3/30/21 11:43 AM, Ray_Net wrote:
    Andy Burns wrote on 27-03-21 22:21:
    Chris Ilias wrote:

    Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org)
    and mailing lists (list.mozilla.org)

    So where will people decamp to?  I can't see any TB/FF groups on
    other news servers


    I have been told to go to IRC "freenode" into: "#seamonkey"
    Sujet de #SeaMonkey choisi par ewong!~ezio_audi@SeaMonkey/dev/ewong
    (Thu Mar 11 01:23:26 2021)
    where it's written;
    Logs: https://freenode.logbot.info/seamonkey/
    AND ...
     I tried to go to freenode.logbot.info/seamonkey and my anti-virus

    says : NO ENTRY - there is a trojan

    Use Chatzilla, set up an account, and join the channel?

    The trojan is not on he irc server nor on the irc program .. the trojan
    is on the website  https://freenode.logbot.info/seamonkey/

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 30 20:44:55 2021
    On 03/30/2021 01:43 PM, s|b wrote:
    On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 19:57:21 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

    alt.fan.mozilla already exists and is mostly empty except for some
    ancient spam in Italian. And maybe us.

    Well, since they're closing down mozilla. I'm not really a fan
    anymore...

    "Loyalty -- what's left when love dies." -- B. Ashley

    --
    Cheers,
    Bev
    "The Flat Earth Society has members all over the globe."
    -- Bob Henson

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 30 20:47:23 2021
    On 03/30/2021 01:45 PM, s|b wrote:
    On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 12:50:33 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

    Or their users. User since 1994, but did they ever say thanks? Yeah,
    right!

    They thanked me when I bought one of their 'I support Mozilla' T-shirts
    for $30.

    Generous of them!

    Buy a cheap white t-shirt and a fat red sharpie. I seem to remember
    seeing a mozilla stencil for carving a Hallowe'en pumpkin...

    --
    Cheers,
    Bev
    "The Flat Earth Society has members all over the globe."
    -- Bob Henson

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  • From WaltS48@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Mar 31 11:59:01 2021
    On 3/27/21 5:21 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
    Chris Ilias wrote:

    Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
    mailing lists (list.mozilla.org)

    So where will people decamp to?  I can't see any TB/FF groups on other
    news servers


    My Daily 89.0a1 looks strange with the account removed.

    This will take some getting used to, and what will I do with the extra time.

    --
    OS: Fedora 33 Workstation - Gnome Desktop https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/get-involved/

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  • From s|b@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Wed Mar 31 18:34:19 2021
    On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 20:47:23 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

    Buy a cheap white t-shirt and a fat red sharpie. I seem to remember
    seeing a mozilla stencil for carving a Hallowe'en pumpkin...

    Apparently, it's a rare item!

    <https://www.grailed.com/listings/13788593-microsoft-x-streetwear-x-very-rare-rare-mozilla-firefox-microsoft-big-logo-tshirt>

    I can sell it and make a 4 dollar profit.

    --
    s|b

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 31 10:22:57 2021
    On 03/31/2021 08:59 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
    On 3/27/21 5:21 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
    Chris Ilias wrote:

    Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
    mailing lists (list.mozilla.org)

    So where will people decamp to? I can't see any TB/FF groups on other
    news servers

    My Daily 89.0a1 looks strange with the account removed.

    This will take some getting used to, and what will I do with the extra time.

    Have you tried knitting? If your time is worth nothing you can make
    what will seem to be a REALLY expensive sweater.

    I wonder what Chris will do with his spare time and vitriol...

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of
    entrusting a man like him with the presidency." -- Unknown

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  • From Daniel@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 1 17:58:56 2021
    s|b wrote on 1/4/21 3:34 am:
    On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 20:47:23 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

    Buy a cheap white t-shirt and a fat red sharpie. I seem to remember
    seeing a mozilla stencil for carving a Hallowe'en pumpkin...

    Apparently, it's a rare item!

    <https://www.grailed.com/listings/13788593-microsoft-x-streetwear-x-very-rare-rare-mozilla-firefox-microsoft-big-logo-tshirt>

    I can sell it and make a 4 dollar profit.

    Very, very, rare!! So rare I don't even see a image of the T-shirt!! ;-P
    --
    Daniel

    User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.53.6 Build identifier: 20210117210643

    User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.53.6 Build identifier: 20210118013008

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  • From PietB@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 2 12:06:37 2021
    WaltS48 wrote:
    My Daily 89.0a1 looks strange with the account removed.
    This will take some getting used to, and what will I do with the extra time.

    This may give you some inspiration: https://putthekettleon.ca/simple-pleasures-in-life/
    ;-)

    -p

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  • From PietB@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 2 12:08:41 2021
    WaltS48 wrote:
    The Mozilla Corporation and Mozilla Foundation are closing down?

    Not yet.
    First a renaming operation has to be completed:
    from Thunderbird to Thunderbye.

    -p

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  • From PietB@21:1/5 to Ken Whiton on Fri Apr 2 12:20:35 2021
    Ken Whiton wrote:
    he Firefox and Thunderbird support newsgroups can be found on
    many Usenet news servers, but they're not officially distributed to
    Usenet. Some renegade system somewhere is operating what's called a
    "suck feed", pulling most m.s.f and m.s.t posts from news.mozilla.org
    and feeding them into Usenet.

    A bit of reality: some kind soul is gatewaying m.s.* posts to
    the larger Usenet. Great idea, great service but unfortunately
    limited by Mozilla's shortsightedness that blocks posts/replies
    from being fed into their Usenet cocoon. Allowing such backfeed
    would have been a great service, thanks in particular to all the
    kind souls voluntarily helping/advising people here.

    -p

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Fri Apr 2 20:21:49 2021
    Andy Burns wrote:

    Chris Ilias wrote:

    Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
    mailing lists (list.mozilla.org)

    I can't see any TB/FF groups on other news servers

    The three new groups

    alt.comp.software.firefox
    alt.comp.software.thunderbird
    alt.comp.software.seamonkey

    have been created, no doubt population around the various usenet servers
    will be slow. At the moment they only exist on news.aioe.org and one or
    two other servers, I've requested them on a few servers that I use, but
    will request them on more servers over the next few days. If they don't
    show up on servers that you use, feel free to request them there.

    Treat the new groups as substitutes for

    mozilla.support.firefox
    mozilla.support.thunderbird
    mozilla.support.seamonkey

    Clearly the new groups are not affiliated with Mozilla in any way, and
    will provide user-to-user support, hoping to see familiar faces there,
    play nice ...

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  • From Sailfish@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 2 14:42:49 2021
    My bloviated meandering follows what Andy Burns graced us with on
    4/2/2021 12:21 PM:
    Andy Burns wrote:

    Chris Ilias wrote:

    Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and
    mailing lists (list.mozilla.org)

    I can't see any TB/FF groups on other news servers

    The three new groups

    alt.comp.software.firefox
    alt.comp.software.thunderbird
    alt.comp.software.seamonkey

    have been created, no doubt population around the various usenet servers
    will be slow. At the moment they only exist on news.aioe.org and one or
    two other servers, I've requested them on a few servers that I use, but
    will request them on more servers over the next few days. If they don't
    show up on servers that you use, feel free to request them there.

    Treat the new groups as substitutes for

    mozilla.support.firefox
    mozilla.support.thunderbird
    mozilla.support.seamonkey

    Clearly the new groups are not affiliated with Mozilla in any way, and
    will provide user-to-user support, hoping to see familiar faces there,
    play nice ...

    Any chance you can create:

    alt.comp.moz.general or
    alt.comp.moz.ot

    group to replace the mozilla.general for extended off-topic discussions?

    --
    Sailfish
    CDC Covid19 Trends: https://www.facebook.com/groups/624208354841034
    Rare Mozilla Stuff: http://tinyurl.com/z86x3sg

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  • From Daniel@21:1/5 to PietB on Sat Apr 3 12:12:59 2021
    PietB wrote on 2/4/21 9:20 pm:
    Ken Whiton wrote:
    he Firefox and Thunderbird support newsgroups can be found on
    many Usenet news servers, but they're not officially distributed to
    Usenet. Some renegade system somewhere is operating what's called a
    "suck feed", pulling most m.s.f and m.s.t posts from news.mozilla.org
    and feeding them into Usenet.

    A bit of reality: some kind soul is gatewaying m.s.* posts to
    the larger Usenet.

    What might have happened to the amount of SPAM the mozilla groups would
    have received if the UseNet connection had gone two-way??

    The connection to Groups.Google was bad enough!

    Great idea, great service but unfortunately
    limited by Mozilla's shortsightedness that blocks posts/replies
    from being fed into their Usenet cocoon. Allowing such backfeed
    would have been a great service, thanks in particular to all the
    kind souls voluntarily helping/advising people here.

    -p

    Thanks to all for the help given to me over the years, too!
    --
    Daniel

    User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.53.6 Build identifier: 20210117210643

    User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.53.6 Build identifier: 20210118013008

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Daniel on Fri Apr 2 19:25:39 2021
    On 4/2/21 7:12 PM, Daniel wrote:
    What might have happened to the amount of SPAM the mozilla groups would
    have received if the UseNet connection had gone two-way??

    It depends.

    If the group was configured as a moderated group and funneled messages
    through the mailing list and associated moderation, then I think things
    would be relatively decent.

    Yes there are ways around moderation, but I don't (knowingly) see abuse
    of that.



    --
    Grant. . . .
    unix || die

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  • From Rink@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 9 18:18:49 2021
    Op 2-4-2021 om 12:06 schreef PietB:
    WaltS48 wrote:
    My Daily 89.0a1 looks strange with the account removed.
    This will take some getting used to, and what will I do with the extra time.

    This may give you some inspiration: https://putthekettleon.ca/simple-pleasures-in-life/
    ;-)

    -p



    Thanks for the link, Piet!

    Rink

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