On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote:
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that >> overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
On 15/09/2017 09:47, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote:
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Which piece is that?
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that >overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote:
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that >>overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora <e27002@gmaill.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote:
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote:
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that >> overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
On 15/09/17 09:47, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote:
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
And my money's on some jihadi fucker. We shall see.
On 15/09/17 09:47, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote:
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals
that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
"Tim Watts" <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote in message news:50ms8e-7g5.ln1@squidward.local.dionic.net...
On 15/09/17 09:47, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote:
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders
chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
the device had a timer (apparently)
On 2017\09\15 13:06, tim... wrote:
"Tim Watts" <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote in message
news:50ms8e-7g5.ln1@squidward.local.dionic.net...
On 15/09/17 09:47, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote:
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders
chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
the device had a timer (apparently)
Maybe LU can find out how one works,
and fit them in their line control offices.
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote:
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that >>overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
<spud@potato.field> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora <e27002@gmaill.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote:
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the >> peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora <e27002@gmaill.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote:
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
--
Spud
On 15/09/17 09:47, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote:
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders
chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
And my money's on some jihadi fucker. We shall see.
"Tim Watts" <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote in message news:50ms8e-7g5.ln1@squidward.local.dionic.net...
On 15/09/17 09:47, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote:
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders
chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
the device had a timer (apparently)
On 15/09/17 13:06, tim... wrote:
"Tim Watts" <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote in message
news:50ms8e-7g5.ln1@squidward.local.dionic.net...
On 15/09/17 09:47, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote:
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders
chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not >>>> "the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
the device had a timer (apparently)
Which, apparently is a first for jihadi nutters if it is so.
But not for Irish nutters.
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
<spud@potato.field> wrote:Yes.
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora <e27002@gmaill.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote:
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the >>> peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
On 16/09/17 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
But not for Irish nutters.
The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
snackbar brigade, but it is unusual that they seem short of willing
martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of course...)
Perhaps they are losing the ability to find dickheads willing to blow themselves up?
On 16/09/17 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
But not for Irish nutters.
The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
snackbar brigade, but it is unusual that they seem short of willing
martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of course...)
On 16/09/2017 11:32, Tim Watts wrote:
On 16/09/17 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
But not for Irish nutters.
The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
snackbar brigade, but it is unusual that they seem short of willing
martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of
course...)
Perhaps they are losing the ability to find dickheads willing to blow
themselves up?
Not on current evidence, this is the first attack in quite a while that wasn't a suicide attack.[1] The exception, of course, being North
Ireland where there are still terrorist attacks involving bombs with
either timers or other ways of being detonated that don't involve the
death of the perpetrator.
[1] In fact I can't think of an attack since 911 by Islamic
fundamentalists in Europe/USA that wasn't a suicide attack.
On 16/09/2017 11:32, Tim Watts wrote:
On 16/09/17 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
But not for Irish nutters.
The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
snackbar brigade, but it is unusual that they seem short of willing
martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of
course...)
Perhaps they are losing the ability to find dickheads willing to blow
themselves up?
Not on current evidence, this is the first attack in quite a while that wasn't a suicide attack.[1] The exception, of course, being North
Ireland where there are still terrorist attacks involving bombs with
either timers or other ways of being detonated that don't involve the
death of the perpetrator.
[1] In fact I can't think of an attack since 911 by Islamic
fundamentalists in Europe/USA that wasn't a suicide attack.
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 16/09/2017 11:32, Tim Watts wrote:
On 16/09/17 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
But not for Irish nutters.
The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
snackbar brigade, but it is unusual that they seem short of willing
martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of
course...)
Perhaps they are losing the ability to find dickheads willing to blow
themselves up?
Not on current evidence, this is the first attack in quite a while that
wasn't a suicide attack.[1] The exception, of course, being North
Ireland where there are still terrorist attacks involving bombs with
either timers or other ways of being detonated that don't involve the
death of the perpetrator.
[1] In fact I can't think of an attack since 911 by Islamic
fundamentalists in Europe/USA that wasn't a suicide attack.
What about the printer bombs?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot
Or, pre-911, there was the Hindawi attempted bombing that led to the subsequent additional airport questioning: https://www.asi-mag.com/ann-marie-murphy-hindawi-affair-30th-anniversary-review/
"Tim Watts" <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote in message news:r6bv8e-b0e.ln1@squidward.local.dionic.net...
On 16/09/17 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
But not for Irish nutters.
The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
snackbar brigade, but it is unusual that they seem short of willing
martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of
course...)
alan's snackbar brigade?
On 16/09/2017 12:03, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 16/09/2017 11:32, Tim Watts wrote:
On 16/09/17 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
But not for Irish nutters.
The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
snackbar brigade, but it is unusual that they seem short of willing
martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of
course...)
Perhaps they are losing the ability to find dickheads willing to blow
themselves up?
Not on current evidence, this is the first attack in quite a while that
wasn't a suicide attack.[1] The exception, of course, being North
Ireland where there are still terrorist attacks involving bombs with
either timers or other ways of being detonated that don't involve the
death of the perpetrator.
[1] In fact I can't think of an attack since 911 by Islamic
fundamentalists in Europe/USA that wasn't a suicide attack.
What about the printer bombs?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot
Good point, not subsequently attempted again and the perpetrator was
taken out by a crise missile IIRC.
Or, pre-911, there was the Hindawi attempted bombing that led to the
subsequent additional airport questioning:
https://www.asi-mag.com/ann-marie-murphy-hindawi-affair-30th-anniversary-review/
That was very much before 911 but wasn't a suicide attack as such. The
mule didn't know she was intended to be murdered.
On 16/09/17 11:54, Graeme Wall wrote:They have other concerns as well.
On 16/09/2017 11:32, Tim Watts wrote:
On 16/09/17 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
But not for Irish nutters.
The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
snackbar brigade, but it is unusual that they seem short of willing
martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of
course...)
Perhaps they are losing the ability to find dickheads willing to blow
themselves up?
Not on current evidence, this is the first attack in quite a while
that wasn't a suicide attack.[1]Â The exception, of course, being
North Ireland where there are still terrorist attacks involving bombs
with either timers or other ways of being detonated that don't involve
the death of the perpetrator.
[1] In fact I can't think of an attack since 911 by Islamic
fundamentalists in Europe/USA that wasn't a suicide attack.
There has been quite a bit of knife waving that has not always resulted
in being shot - thinking of Buck House for one. But yes, it's rare.
I suppose it's just possible the DUP/Tory deal has upset the IRA
splinters
but wouldn't they have access to professional grade explosives?
On 16/09/2017 11:32, Tim Watts wrote:
On 16/09/17 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
But not for Irish nutters.
The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
snackbar brigade, but it is unusual that they seem short of willing
martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of
course...)
Perhaps they are losing the ability to find dickheads willing to blow
themselves up?
Not on current evidence, this is the first attack in quite a while that wasn't a suicide attack.[1] The exception, of course, being North
Ireland where there are still terrorist attacks involving bombs with
either timers or other ways of being detonated that don't involve the
death of the perpetrator.
[1] In fact I can't think of an attack since 911 by Islamic
fundamentalists in Europe/USA that wasn't a suicide attack.
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 16/09/2017 12:03, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 16/09/2017 11:32, Tim Watts wrote:
On 16/09/17 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
But not for Irish nutters.
The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
snackbar brigade, but it is unusual that they seem short of willing
martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of
course...)
Perhaps they are losing the ability to find dickheads willing to blow >>>>> themselves up?
Not on current evidence, this is the first attack in quite a while that >>>> wasn't a suicide attack.[1] The exception, of course, being North
Ireland where there are still terrorist attacks involving bombs with
either timers or other ways of being detonated that don't involve the
death of the perpetrator.
[1] In fact I can't think of an attack since 911 by Islamic
fundamentalists in Europe/USA that wasn't a suicide attack.
What about the printer bombs?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot
Good point, not subsequently attempted again and the perpetrator was
taken out by a crise missile IIRC.
Or perhaps not? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrahim_al-Asiri#Reports_of_death
Or, pre-911, there was the Hindawi attempted bombing that led to the
subsequent additional airport questioning:
https://www.asi-mag.com/ann-marie-murphy-hindawi-affair-30th-anniversary-review/
That was very much before 911 but wasn't a suicide attack as such. The
mule didn't know she was intended to be murdered.
Yes, and that's why passengers subsequently were asked, "Were you given anything? And did you pack it yourself?"
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 16/09/2017 11:32, Tim Watts wrote:
On 16/09/17 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
But not for Irish nutters.
The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
snackbar brigade, but it is unusual that they seem short of willing
martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of
course...)
Perhaps they are losing the ability to find dickheads willing to blow
themselves up?
Not on current evidence, this is the first attack in quite a while that
wasn't a suicide attack.[1] The exception, of course, being North
Ireland where there are still terrorist attacks involving bombs with
either timers or other ways of being detonated that don't involve the
death of the perpetrator.
[1] In fact I can't think of an attack since 911 by Islamic
fundamentalists in Europe/USA that wasn't a suicide attack.
I think the Barcelona cell might also have been planning timer bombs, but managed to blow themselves up while making them. Even suicidal jihadis
might want to plant more than one bomb each.
bombing was in Madrid: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings
[1] In fact I can't think of an attack since 911 by Islamic
fundamentalists in Europe/USA that wasn't a suicide attack.
In message <92302599.527249949.661658.recliner.ng-btinternet.com@news.eternal-septem ber.org>, at 10:20:13 on Sat, 16 Sep 2017, Recliner <recliner.ng@btinternet.com> remarked:
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Trying to get on a ferry?
ObRail: earlier such terrorists did successfully get on a Eurostar in
London.
In message <opivsl$1sd$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:54:13 on Sat, 16 Sep
2017, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
[1] In fact I can't think of an attack since 911 by Islamic
fundamentalists in Europe/USA that wasn't a suicide attack.
Other than "attempted suicide-by-cop", how would you characterise the
Lee Rigby attack?
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
In message <92302599.527249949.661658.recliner.ng-btinternet.com@news.eternal-septem ber.org>, at 10:20:13 on Sat, 16 Sep 2017, Recliner <recliner.ng@btinternet.com> remarked:
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Trying to get on a ferry?
Martin Edwards <big_mart_98@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
<spud@potato.field> wrote:Yes.
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora <e27002@gmaill.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote:
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed >>>>> flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not >>>>> "the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the >>>> peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
It's not guaranteed.It does appear to be terrorism.Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
On 9/15/2017 10:11 AM, spud@potato.field wrote:
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of
the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
Okay, you've got it off your chest. Be it noted that most of the vitims
of these punks are Muslims in Muslim majority countries. The daughters
of my next door neighbour but one call me "Uncle". I do not anticipate
that they will try to blow me up when they are older.
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
It's not guaranteed.It does appear to be terrorism.Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
Most criminals are caught due to having some form of previous
interaction with the Police and establishing the end of a trail, eg a
bank robbers trail may have started when he nicked some sweets from a
corner shop as a 13 year old and became one to watch and whose habits
and haunts become known.
With a terrorist the trail may have been started by intelligence
services observing their coming and goings with other known people
doing suspicious activity or being seen at certain buildings.
In both case if the perpetuator of a bank robbery or a terrorist act
is doing it for absolutely the first time and is a lone wolf it
becomes much harder, surveillance videos will not help if the person
in the image cannot be recognized or are disguised unless they happen
to turn up again elsewhere unguarded.
There are experts at analyzing videos but as an example of how
difficult it is to find someone with no previous look at the Jogger
who pushed the woman into the path of a Bus recently, not even
disguised, reasonable video from the street and the bus, loads of
people about.
They still have not identified anyone enough to bring charges
<damduck-egg@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
It's not guaranteed.It does appear to be terrorism.Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
Most criminals are caught due to having some form of previous
interaction with the Police and establishing the end of a trail, eg a
bank robbers trail may have started when he nicked some sweets from a
corner shop as a 13 year old and became one to watch and whose habits
and haunts become known.
With a terrorist the trail may have been started by intelligence
services observing their coming and goings with other known people
doing suspicious activity or being seen at certain buildings.
In both case if the perpetuator of a bank robbery or a terrorist act
is doing it for absolutely the first time and is a lone wolf it
becomes much harder, surveillance videos will not help if the person
in the image cannot be recognized or are disguised unless they happen
to turn up again elsewhere unguarded.
There are experts at analyzing videos but as an example of how
difficult it is to find someone with no previous look at the Jogger
who pushed the woman into the path of a Bus recently, not even
disguised, reasonable video from the street and the bus, loads of
people about.
They still have not identified anyone enough to bring charges
Indeed, and they've wrongly arrested two innocent joggers so far. You'd
think the jogger should be relatively easy to find, as his home location
can be pinned down to quite a narrow area,
many other cameras on his route.
On 16/09/2017 16:36, Recliner wrote:
<damduck-egg@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
It's not guaranteed.It does appear to be terrorism.Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
Most criminals are caught due to having some form of previous
interaction with the Police and establishing the end of a trail, eg a
bank robbers trail may have started when he nicked some sweets from a
corner shop as a 13 year old and became one to watch and whose habits
and haunts become known.
With a terrorist the trail may have been started by intelligence
services observing their coming and goings with other known people
doing suspicious activity or being seen at certain buildings.
In both case if the perpetuator of a bank robbery or a terrorist act
is doing it for absolutely the first time and is a lone wolf it
becomes much harder, surveillance videos will not help if the person
in the image cannot be recognized or are disguised unless they happen
to turn up again elsewhere unguarded.
There are experts at analyzing videos but as an example of how
difficult it is to find someone with no previous look at the Jogger
who pushed the woman into the path of a Bus recently, not even
disguised, reasonable video from the street and the bus, loads of
people about.
They still have not identified anyone enough to bring charges
Indeed, and they've wrongly arrested two innocent joggers so far. You'd
think the jogger should be relatively easy to find, as his home location
can be pinned down to quite a narrow area,
Not necessarily in central London, could have jogged from his place of
work and back (he recrossed the bridge shortly after the incident) and actually lives somewhere in the London commuter area, aka England.
and he must have been caught by
many other cameras on his route.
But who is going to put in the effort to look at them all, once he left
the bridge he could have gone in any direction.
<damduck-egg@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
It's not guaranteed.It does appear to be terrorism.Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
Most criminals are caught due to having some form of previous
interaction with the Police and establishing the end of a trail, eg a
bank robbers trail may have started when he nicked some sweets from a
corner shop as a 13 year old and became one to watch and whose habits
and haunts become known.
With a terrorist the trail may have been started by intelligence
services observing their coming and goings with other known people
doing suspicious activity or being seen at certain buildings.
In both case if the perpetuator of a bank robbery or a terrorist act
is doing it for absolutely the first time and is a lone wolf it
becomes much harder, surveillance videos will not help if the person
in the image cannot be recognized or are disguised unless they happen
to turn up again elsewhere unguarded.
There are experts at analyzing videos but as an example of how
difficult it is to find someone with no previous look at the Jogger
who pushed the woman into the path of a Bus recently, not even
disguised, reasonable video from the street and the bus, loads of
people about.
They still have not identified anyone enough to bring charges
Indeed, and they've wrongly arrested two innocent joggers so far. You'd
think the jogger should be relatively easy to find, as his home location
can be pinned down to quite a narrow area, and he must have been caught by >many other cameras on his route.
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 16/09/2017 16:36, Recliner wrote:
<damduck-egg@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
It's not guaranteed.It does appear to be terrorism.Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
Most criminals are caught due to having some form of previous
interaction with the Police and establishing the end of a trail, eg a >>>> bank robbers trail may have started when he nicked some sweets from a >>>> corner shop as a 13 year old and became one to watch and whose habits >>>> and haunts become known.
With a terrorist the trail may have been started by intelligence
services observing their coming and goings with other known people
doing suspicious activity or being seen at certain buildings.
In both case if the perpetuator of a bank robbery or a terrorist act
is doing it for absolutely the first time and is a lone wolf it
becomes much harder, surveillance videos will not help if the person
in the image cannot be recognized or are disguised unless they happen
to turn up again elsewhere unguarded.
There are experts at analyzing videos but as an example of how
difficult it is to find someone with no previous look at the Jogger
who pushed the woman into the path of a Bus recently, not even
disguised, reasonable video from the street and the bus, loads of
people about.
They still have not identified anyone enough to bring charges
Indeed, and they've wrongly arrested two innocent joggers so far. You'd
think the jogger should be relatively easy to find, as his home location >>> can be pinned down to quite a narrow area,
Not necessarily in central London, could have jogged from his place of
work and back (he recrossed the bridge shortly after the incident) and
actually lives somewhere in the London commuter area, aka England.
Yes, good point.
and he must have been caught by
many other cameras on his route.
But who is going to put in the effort to look at them all, once he left
the bridge he could have gone in any direction.
Yes, but they can work outwards from the end of the bridge to trace his route. That area must have plenty of cameras. And the case is high profile enough that it may be worth the effort.
However, if, within a few days of the incident, they didn't realise that
they needed to do it, the footage from most of the cameras may not have
been retained.
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 15:36:12 -0000 (UTC), Recliner <recliner.ng@btinternet.com> wrote:
<damduck-egg@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
It's not guaranteed.It does appear to be terrorism.Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
Most criminals are caught due to having some form of previous
interaction with the Police and establishing the end of a trail, eg a
bank robbers trail may have started when he nicked some sweets from a
corner shop as a 13 year old and became one to watch and whose habits
and haunts become known.
With a terrorist the trail may have been started by intelligence
services observing their coming and goings with other known people
doing suspicious activity or being seen at certain buildings.
In both case if the perpetuator of a bank robbery or a terrorist act
is doing it for absolutely the first time and is a lone wolf it
becomes much harder, surveillance videos will not help if the person
in the image cannot be recognized or are disguised unless they happen
to turn up again elsewhere unguarded.
There are experts at analyzing videos but as an example of how
difficult it is to find someone with no previous look at the Jogger
who pushed the woman into the path of a Bus recently, not even
disguised, reasonable video from the street and the bus, loads of
people about.
They still have not identified anyone enough to bring charges
Indeed, and they've wrongly arrested two innocent joggers so far. You'd
think the jogger should be relatively easy to find, as his home location
can be pinned down to quite a narrow area, and he must have been caught by >> many other cameras on his route.
As would the bomber. The only question would be how long it took to back-track his movements. It takes people time - but he must have
boarded the train somewhere with his bucket-in-a-LIDL-bag.
On 16/09/2017 17:37, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 16/09/2017 16:36, Recliner wrote:
<damduck-egg@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
It's not guaranteed.It does appear to be terrorism.Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos, >>>>>> they're going to get caught?
Most criminals are caught due to having some form of previous
interaction with the Police and establishing the end of a trail, eg a >>>>> bank robbers trail may have started when he nicked some sweets from a >>>>> corner shop as a 13 year old and became one to watch and whose habits >>>>> and haunts become known.
With a terrorist the trail may have been started by intelligence
services observing their coming and goings with other known people
doing suspicious activity or being seen at certain buildings.
In both case if the perpetuator of a bank robbery or a terrorist act >>>>> is doing it for absolutely the first time and is a lone wolf it
becomes much harder, surveillance videos will not help if the person >>>>> in the image cannot be recognized or are disguised unless they happen >>>>> to turn up again elsewhere unguarded.
There are experts at analyzing videos but as an example of how
difficult it is to find someone with no previous look at the Jogger
who pushed the woman into the path of a Bus recently, not even
disguised, reasonable video from the street and the bus, loads of
people about.
They still have not identified anyone enough to bring charges
Indeed, and they've wrongly arrested two innocent joggers so far. You'd >>>> think the jogger should be relatively easy to find, as his home location >>>> can be pinned down to quite a narrow area,
Not necessarily in central London, could have jogged from his place of
work and back (he recrossed the bridge shortly after the incident) and
actually lives somewhere in the London commuter area, aka England.
Yes, good point.
and he must have been caught by
many other cameras on his route.
But who is going to put in the effort to look at them all, once he left
the bridge he could have gone in any direction.
Yes, but they can work outwards from the end of the bridge to trace his
route. That area must have plenty of cameras. And the case is high profile >> enough that it may be worth the effort.
Lots of cameras at the north end of the bridge, possibly not so many at
the south end.
However, if, within a few days of the incident, they didn't realise that
they needed to do it, the footage from most of the cameras may not have
been retained.
It took quite a while to be made public. Don't know how long footage is
kept on modern CCTV but doubt it is more than week at the outside.
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner ><recliner.ng@btinternet.com> wrote:
Martin Edwards <big_mart_98@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
<spud@potato.field> wrote:Yes.
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora <e27002@gmaill.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote: >>>>>>
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed >>>>>> flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not >>>>>> "the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
On 9/15/2017 11:18 AM, Tim Watts wrote:
On 15/09/17 09:47, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote:
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders
chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
And my money's on some jihadi fucker. We shall see.
An uncle of mine was an army officer and did time against Christian >terrorists in Cyprus.
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.ng@btinternet.com> wrote:
Martin Edwards <big_mart_98@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
<spud@potato.field> wrote:Yes.
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora <e27002@gmaill.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote: >>>>>>>
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed >>>>>>> flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not >>>>>>> "the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.
And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.
To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.ng@btinternet.com> wrote:
Martin Edwards <big_mart_98@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
<spud@potato.field> wrote:Yes.
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora <e27002@gmaill.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote: >>>>>>>>
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed >>>>>>>> flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not >>>>>>>> "the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.
If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.
And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.
Why not? It's exactly what most people think.
To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.
Yes, it's been around for many years.
Your time will come: this is one area where Britain leads and the world >follows.
On 15/09/2017 19:16, Tim Watts wrote:
On 15/09/17 13:06, tim... wrote:
"Tim Watts" <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote in message
news:50ms8e-7g5.ln1@squidward.local.dionic.net...
On 15/09/17 09:47, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote:
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders
chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed >>>>> flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not >>>>> "the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
the device had a timer (apparently)
Which, apparently is a first for jihadi nutters if it is so.
But not for Irish nutters.
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 00:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Recliner <recliner.ng@btinternet.com> wrote:
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.ng@btinternet.com> wrote:
Martin Edwards <big_mart_98@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
<spud@potato.field> wrote:Yes.
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora <e27002@gmaill.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote: >>>>>>>>>
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me. >>>>>>>>>>
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed >>>>>>>>> flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not >>>>>>>>> "the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.
If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.
And 'they' don't really think/consider beyond, as to how it affects
their individual right to unobserved movement.
The state (in Canaduh anyway) has no right to know where I might or
might not be.
And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.
Why not? It's exactly what most people think.
That's a surrender to un-involved citizenship. Big word:
acquiescence.
To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.
Yes, it's been around for many years.
Sad.
Your time will come: this is one area where Britain leads and the world
follows.
Interestingly, the crime rate in Canaduh has been dropping for
decades.
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.ng@btinternet.com> wrote:
Martin Edwards <big_mart_98@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
<spud@potato.field> wrote:Yes.
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora <e27002@gmaill.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote: >>>>>>>>
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed >>>>>>>> flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not >>>>>>>> "the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.
If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.
This latest Parsons Green case seems to be an example where it paid off.
That may well also happen with the homicidal bridge jogger.
And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.
Why not? It's exactly what most people think.
To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.
Yes, it's been around for many years.
But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS >images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?
They can now also be centrally monitored and stored for much longer. And,
in some cases, the images are automatically computer-scanned for car number >plates (ANPR) and known faces.
Your time will come: this is one area where Britain leads and the world >follows.
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 00:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Recliner <recliner.ng@btinternet.com> wrote:
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:How many would sir like ?
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.ng@btinternet.com> wrote:
Martin Edwards <big_mart_98@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
<spud@potato.field> wrote:Yes.
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora <e27002@gmaill.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote: >>>>>>>>>
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me. >>>>>>>>>>
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed >>>>>>>>> flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not >>>>>>>>> "the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.
If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.
This latest Parsons Green case seems to be an example where it paid off.
That may well also happen with the homicidal bridge jogger.
And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.
Why not? It's exactly what most people think.
To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.
Yes, it's been around for many years.
But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html
Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 00:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.ng@btinternet.com> wrote:
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:How many would sir like ?
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.ng@btinternet.com> wrote:
Martin Edwards <big_mart_98@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
<spud@potato.field> wrote:Yes.
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora <e27002@gmaill.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me. >>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed >>>>>>>>>> flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.
If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it. >>> This latest Parsons Green case seems to be an example where it paid off. >>> That may well also happen with the homicidal bridge jogger.
And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.
Why not? It's exactly what most people think.
To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for >>>> more than a few years.
Yes, it's been around for many years.
But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html
I wonder how widely installed those are? Most installed cameras are well >behind the state-of-the-art.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,It's not guaranteed.
they're going to get caught?
"Roland Perry" <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote in message news:cWPpYvIy7QvZFA0z@perry.co.uk...
In message
<92302599.527249949.661658.recliner.ng-btinternet.com@news.eternal-septem
ber.org>, at 10:20:13 on Sat, 16 Sep 2017, Recliner
<recliner.ng@btinternet.com> remarked:
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Trying to get on a ferry?
OOI
assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some random
person of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)
I wonder if they identified him as a potential suspect:
a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents
anything else?
tim
On 2017\09\16 07:54, Martin Edwards wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:11 AM, spud@potato.field wrote:
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers
of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
Okay, you've got it off your chest. Be it noted that most of the
vitims of these punks are Muslims in Muslim majority countries. The
daughters of my next door neighbour but one call me "Uncle". I do not
anticipate that they will try to blow me up when they are older.
Are you sure it's not "uncool"? ;-)
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 00:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Recliner <recliner.ng@btinternet.com> wrote:
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.ng@btinternet.com> wrote:
Martin Edwards <big_mart_98@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
<spud@potato.field> wrote:Yes.
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora <e27002@gmaill.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote: >>>>>>>>>
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me. >>>>>>>>>>
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed >>>>>>>>> flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not >>>>>>>>> "the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.
If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.
And 'they' don't really think/consider beyond, as to how it affects
their individual right to unobserved movement.
The state (in Canaduh anyway) has no right to know where I might or
might not be.
And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.
Why not? It's exactly what most people think.
That's a surrender to un-involved citizenship. Big word:
acquiescence.
To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.
Yes, it's been around for many years.
Sad.
Your time will come: this is one area where Britain leads and the world
follows.
Interestingly, the crime rate in Canaduh has been dropping for
decades.
Yes, Bad Things happen... but the occurrence relative to overall
population ain't growing.
Perception of safety, at least in my and general observation in our
major urban areas, is stable or improving... and remember, we're a
welcoming, multi-cultural society.
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 07:55:38 +0100, Martin Edwards
<big_mart_98@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 9/15/2017 11:18 AM, Tim Watts wrote:
On 15/09/17 09:47, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote:
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders
chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
And my money's on some jihadi fucker. We shall see.
An uncle of mine was an army officer and did time against Christian
terrorists in Cyprus.
One would expect that an uncle, were he such, would be yours!
Maybe, he was just one of your uncles.
<ducks>
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 00:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Recliner <recliner.ng@btinternet.com> wrote:
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.ng@btinternet.com> wrote:
Martin Edwards <big_mart_98@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
<spud@potato.field> wrote:Yes.
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora <e27002@gmaill.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote: >>>>>>>>>
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me. >>>>>>>>>>
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed >>>>>>>>> flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not >>>>>>>>> "the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.
If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.
And 'they' don't really think/consider beyond, as to how it affects
their individual right to unobserved movement.
The state (in Canaduh anyway) has no right to know where I might or
might not be.
And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.
Why not? It's exactly what most people think.
That's a surrender to un-involved citizenship. Big word:
acquiescence.
To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.
Yes, it's been around for many years.
Sad.
Your time will come: this is one area where Britain leads and the world
follows.
Interestingly, the crime rate in Canaduh has been dropping for
decades.
Yes, Bad Things happen... but the occurrence relative to overall
population ain't growing.
Perception of safety, at least in my and general observation in our
major urban areas, is stable or improving... and remember, we're a
welcoming, multi-cultural society.
Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 00:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.ng@btinternet.com> wrote:
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:How many would sir like ?
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.ng@btinternet.com> wrote:
Martin Edwards <big_mart_98@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
<spud@potato.field> wrote:Yes.
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora <e27002@gmaill.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me. >>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed >>>>>>>>>> flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.
If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it. >>> This latest Parsons Green case seems to be an example where it paid off. >>> That may well also happen with the homicidal bridge jogger.
And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.
Why not? It's exactly what most people think.
To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for >>>> more than a few years.
Yes, it's been around for many years.
But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html
I wonder how widely installed those are? Most installed cameras are well behind the state-of-the-art.
On 9/16/2017 2:14 PM, tim... wrote:
I think police methods are now far more sophisticated.
"Roland Perry" <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cWPpYvIy7QvZFA0z@perry.co.uk...
In message
<92302599.527249949.661658.recliner.ng-btinternet.com@news.eternal-septem >>>
ber.org>, at 10:20:13 on Sat, 16 Sep 2017, Recliner
<recliner.ng@btinternet.com> remarked:
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Trying to get on a ferry?
OOI
assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some random
person of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)
I wonder if they identified him as a potential suspect:
a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents
anything else?
tim
On 9/16/2017 4:06 PM, damduck-egg@yahoo.co.uk wrote:But were you Caught live so to speak by someone watching in real time
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,It's not guaranteed.
they're going to get caught?
I was once caught urinating in New Street Station by cctv. I had gone
off the platform onto some gravel, but there was a camera there.
At around 200 squid a time possibly roughly the same good/bad qualityBut instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS >>>> images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digitalHow many would sir like ?
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html
I wonder how widely installed those are? Most installed cameras are well >>behind the state-of-the-art.
spread among users applies as before when it seemed to be "TV" quality
v. something cheaper ?
dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.
On 9/16/2017 4:06 PM, damduck-egg@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,It's not guaranteed.
they're going to get caught?
I was once caught urinating in New Street Station by cctv. I had gone
off the platform onto some gravel, but there was a camera there.
On 9/16/2017 2:14 PM, tim... wrote:
I think police methods are now far more sophisticated.
"Roland Perry" <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cWPpYvIy7QvZFA0z@perry.co.uk...
In message
<92302599.527249949.661658.recliner.ng-btinternet.com@news.eternal-septem >>> ber.org>, at 10:20:13 on Sat, 16 Sep 2017, Recliner
<recliner.ng@btinternet.com> remarked:
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Trying to get on a ferry?
OOI
assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some random
person of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)
I wonder if they identified him as a potential suspect:
a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents
anything else?
tim
assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some randomI think police methods are now far more sophisticated.
person of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)
I wonder if they identified him as a potential suspect:
a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents
anything else?
tim
ESP?
My question really is
did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the >person they were looking for
or did he give himself away
tim
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 13:44:03 +0100, "tim..." <tims_new_home@yahoo.com>
wrote:
assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some randomI think police methods are now far more sophisticated.
person of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)
I wonder if they identified him as a potential suspect:
a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents
anything else?
tim
ESP?
My question really is
did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the
person they were looking for
or did he give himself away
tim
Look at Train CCTV of man with with bag getting on at station xxx
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.
did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the >>> person they were looking forLook at Train CCTV of man with with bag getting on at station xxx
or did he give himself away
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag
touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.
Or he's a minor criminal with a record and fingerprints/DNA on file.
Get a match from the bucket.
In message <opm5se$4bb$4@dont-email.me>, at 16:54:53 on Sun, 17 Sep
2017, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked
did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the >>>> person they were looking forLook at Train CCTV of man with with bag getting on at station xxx
or did he give himself away
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag
touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.
Or he's a minor criminal with a record and fingerprints/DNA on file.
Get a match from the bucket.
Very little hard information two days later. One arrest in Dover,
another in London; are either firmly linked to forensics from CCTV and
the bucket, or because of something else?
In message <opm5se$4bb$4@dont-email.me>, at 16:54:53 on Sun, 17 Sep
2017, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked
did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for Look at Train CCTV of man with with bag getting on at station xxx
the
person they were looking for
or did he give himself away
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag
touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.
Or he's a minor criminal with a record and fingerprints/DNA on file.
Get a match from the bucket.
Very little hard information two days later. One arrest in Dover,
another in London; are either firmly linked to forensics from CCTV and
the bucket, or because of something else?
My question really is
did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the >>> person they were looking for
or did he give himself away
tim
Look at Train CCTV of man with with bag getting on at station xxx
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag
touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.
Or he's a minor criminal with a record and fingerprints/DNA on file.
Get a match from the bucket.
Very little hard information two days later. One arrest in Dover,
another in London; are either firmly linked to forensics from CCTV and
the bucket, or because of something else?
Presumably information will remain limited if they're still looking for
more suspects, suppliers, funders, inspirers, etc.
A friend who was in the police said many minor criminals aren't that
bright and often make one mistake which is all that is needed .
One I recall he mentioned was the interviewing of a suspect who had
previous form and had been brought in because of a torch dropped at
the scene.
Suspect was a getting a bit cockier as he got older and argued that no
way could they have found any prints on the scene because he had
learnt inside Prison always to wear gloves and the torch they said he
had handled would be clean and he had never seen it before.
"can you explain how your prints got on the batteries inside the
Torch ? was the next question.
In message <gbnrrcln26e1361v8jpits8qhgq06rmuk7@4ax.com>, at 03:29:35 on
Sun, 17 Sep 2017, Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> remarked:
At around 200 squid a time possibly roughly the same good/bad quality >>spread among users applies as before when it seemed to be "TV" qualityBut instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS >>>>> images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital >>>>> images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?How many would sir like ?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html
I wonder how widely installed those are? Most installed cameras are well >>>behind the state-of-the-art.
v. something cheaper ?
The cost of CCTV systems is much more than just a consumer grade camera.
For public surveillance not only is there the backhaul, but they are
often able to pan and tilt, and need much better sensitivity/
illumination than those listed.
Have you actually installed and used those cheapo ones? They are OK for
the passageway down the side of a shop, but not much else.
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 00:12:50 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.ng@btinternet.com> wrote:
Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
<recliner.ng@btinternet.com> wrote:
Martin Edwards <big_mart_98@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 9/15/2017 10:15 AM, Recliner wrote:
<spud@potato.field> wrote:Yes.
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
e27002 aurora <e27002@gmaill.com> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me. >>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed >>>>>>>>>> flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.
If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.
And 'they' don't really think/consider beyond, as to how it affects
their individual right to unobserved movement.
The state (in Canaduh anyway) has no right to know where I might or
might not be.
And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.
Why not? It's exactly what most people think.
That's a surrender to un-involved citizenship. Big word:
acquiescence.
To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for >>>> more than a few years.
Yes, it's been around for many years.
Sad.
Your time will come: this is one area where Britain leads and the world
follows.
Interestingly, the crime rate in Canaduh has been dropping for
decades.
What's with your unfunny misspellings? They just make your posts less >readable.
"Basil Jet" <basil@spamspamspam.com> wrote in message >news:opgpqg$t1h$3@dont-email.me...
On 2017\09\15 13:06, tim... wrote:
"Tim Watts" <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote in message
news:50ms8e-7g5.ln1@squidward.local.dionic.net...
On 15/09/17 09:47, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote:
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders
chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed >>>>> flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not >>>>> "the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
the device had a timer (apparently)
Maybe LU can find out how one works,
and fit them in their line control offices.
are we meant to understand that comment?
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 09:40:01 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <gbnrrcln26e1361v8jpits8qhgq06rmuk7@4ax.com>, at 03:29:35 on >>Sun, 17 Sep 2017, Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> remarked:There's not much point having pan and tilt if you haven't got someone
At around 200 squid a time possibly roughly the same good/bad quality >>>spread among users applies as before when it seemed to be "TV" qualityBut instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS >>>>>> images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital >>>>>> images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?How many would sir like ?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html
I wonder how widely installed those are? Most installed cameras are well >>>>behind the state-of-the-art.
v. something cheaper ?
The cost of CCTV systems is much more than just a consumer grade camera. >>For public surveillance not only is there the backhaul, but they are
often able to pan and tilt, and need much better sensitivity/
illumination than those listed.
Have you actually installed and used those cheapo ones? They are OK for
the passageway down the side of a shop, but not much else.
to operate it; the "do you know this person?" pictures generally seem
to come from fixed cameras.
The need for moveable cameras is reduced by siting fixed cameras at
pinch points;
each moveable camera is likely to augment several fixed cameras
depending on purpose. When you get to the point of needing to track a >specific target then you probably are needing more moveable cameras
(and zoom lenses).
<damduck-egg@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:cfssrctduh5i1gn1tbeevaf4v12fes7bvk@4ax.com...
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 13:44:03 +0100, "tim..." <tims_new_home@yahoo.com>
wrote:
assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some random >>>>> person of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)I think police methods are now far more sophisticated.
I wonder if they identified him as a potential suspect:
a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents
anything else?
tim
ESP?
My question really is
did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the >>> person they were looking for
or did he give himself away
tim
Look at Train CCTV of man with with bag getting on at station xxx
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag
touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.
Yes I do know how they could have found out the identity of the person
my question is
did they in fact manage this in the time available before they stopped the guy at Dover
or
did they just get lucky because he gave himself away, some other way
My interest here (as a tech professional) is in assessing the state of the art of the technology to do this in 12 hours, where previously it might have taken them 3 weeks (or more)
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 13:44:03 +0100, "tim..." <tims_new_home@yahoo.com>
wrote:
assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some randomI think police methods are now far more sophisticated.
person of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)
I wonder if they identified him as a potential suspect:
a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents
anything else?
tim
ESP?
My question really is
did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the >>person they were looking for
or did he give himself away
tim
Look at Train CCTV of man with with bag getting on at station xxx
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 17:54:43 +0100
"tim..." <tims_new_home@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Basil Jet" <basil@spamspamspam.com> wrote in message >>news:opgpqg$t1h$3@dont-email.me...
On 2017\09\15 13:06, tim... wrote:
"Tim Watts" <tw_usenet@dionic.net> wrote in message
news:50ms8e-7g5.ln1@squidward.local.dionic.net...
On 15/09/17 09:47, e27002 aurora wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC), spud@potato.field wrote: >>>>>>
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders
chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed >>>>>> flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not >>>>>> "the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
the device had a timer (apparently)
Maybe LU can find out how one works,
and fit them in their line control offices.
are we meant to understand that comment?
Makes perfect sense to me. LU timetables are just fiction. Someone should invest in buying the drivers and signalmen some watches at least.
In message <5ahtrcp0r0tvuep69t5t5h93ablctlbdbk@4ax.com>, at 20:05:01 on
Sun, 17 Sep 2017, Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> remarked:
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 09:40:01 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> >>wrote:
In message <gbnrrcln26e1361v8jpits8qhgq06rmuk7@4ax.com>, at 03:29:35 on >>>Sun, 17 Sep 2017, Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> remarked:There's not much point having pan and tilt if you haven't got someone
At around 200 squid a time possibly roughly the same good/bad quality >>>>spread among users applies as before when it seemed to be "TV" quality >>>>v. something cheaper ?But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play >>>>>>> VHSHow many would sir like ?
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital >>>>>>> images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html
I wonder how widely installed those are? Most installed cameras are >>>>>well
behind the state-of-the-art.
The cost of CCTV systems is much more than just a consumer grade camera. >>>For public surveillance not only is there the backhaul, but they are >>>often able to pan and tilt, and need much better sensitivity/ >>>illumination than those listed.
Have you actually installed and used those cheapo ones? They are OK for >>>the passageway down the side of a shop, but not much else.
to operate it; the "do you know this person?" pictures generally seem
to come from fixed cameras.
Tell that to the installers of the tens of thousands of cameras which do
pan and tilt.
The need for moveable cameras is reduced by siting fixed cameras at pinch >>points;
The moveable cameras tend to be at strategic points where they can cover
may different routes. The panning and tilting can be automatic on a timer. Such cameras are more for preventing crime than detecting it.
each moveable camera is likely to augment several fixed cameras depending >>on purpose. When you get to the point of needing to track a specific
target then you probably are needing more moveable cameras (and zoom >>lenses).
You've been watching too much "Spooks".
--
Roland Perry
<spud@potato.field> wrote in message news:opo0fs$mdm$1@gioia.aioe.org...
Makes perfect sense to me. LU timetables are just fiction. Someone should
invest in buying the drivers and signalmen some watches at least.
you mean that they don't have them (watches that is)?
And in any case, how does having a timer stop the delay happening in the >first place.
my question is
did they in fact manage this in the time available before they stopped the >> guy at Dover
or
did they just get lucky because he gave himself away, some other way
My interest here (as a tech professional) is in assessing the state of the >> art of the technology to do this in 12 hours, where previously it might have >> taken them 3 weeks (or more)
It seems he was arrested at Dover on other grounds.
Only later did they discover he was wanted fir the attempted bombing.
So they got lucky.
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 13:39:38 +0100
"tim..." <tims_new_home@yahoo.com> wrote:
<spud@potato.field> wrote in message news:opo0fs$mdm$1@gioia.aioe.org...
Makes perfect sense to me. LU timetables are just fiction. Someone
should
invest in buying the drivers and signalmen some watches at least.
you mean that they don't have them (watches that is)?
And in any case, how does having a timer stop the delay happening in the >>first place.
Because as a couple of hundred people are sitting in a train with a green light waiting for the relief driver to turn up to take over, perhaps
having
an alarm bell in the mess might remind him that he's paid to drive the
damn
thing.
tim... <tims_new_home@yahoo.com> wrote:
<damduck-egg@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cfssrctduh5i1gn1tbeevaf4v12fes7bvk@4ax.com...
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 13:44:03 +0100, "tim..." <tims_new_home@yahoo.com>
wrote:
assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some random >>>>>> person of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)I think police methods are now far more sophisticated.
I wonder if they identified him as a potential suspect:
a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents
anything else?
tim
ESP?
My question really is
did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for
the
person they were looking for
or did he give himself away
tim
Look at Train CCTV of man with with bag getting on at station xxx
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag
touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.
Yes I do know how they could have found out the identity of the person
my question is
did they in fact manage this in the time available before they stopped
the
guy at Dover
or
did they just get lucky because he gave himself away, some other way
My interest here (as a tech professional) is in assessing the state of
the
art of the technology to do this in 12 hours, where previously it might
have
taken them 3 weeks (or more)
It seems he was arrested at Dover on other grounds. Only later did they discover he was wanted fir the attempted bombing. So they got lucky.
<spud@potato.field> wrote in message news:opofmc$1itp$1@gioia.aioe.org...
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 13:39:38 +0100
Because as a couple of hundred people are sitting in a train with a green
light waiting for the relief driver to turn up to take over, perhaps
having
an alarm bell in the mess might remind him that he's paid to drive the
damn
thing.
well having grown up on a route where turns started at the terminus (Morden) >I suppose that I never experienced that problem
But you're right it does happen on the Picc at Acton
But I still don't see that it's down to the individual not knowing the time. >They just do it because they can.
"Roland Perry" <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote in message >news:vO5l+qLp54vZFAyB@perry.co.uk...
In message <5ahtrcp0r0tvuep69t5t5h93ablctlbdbk@4ax.com>, at 20:05:01 on
Sun, 17 Sep 2017, Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> remarked:
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 09:40:01 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> >>>wrote:
In message <gbnrrcln26e1361v8jpits8qhgq06rmuk7@4ax.com>, at 03:29:35 on >>>>Sun, 17 Sep 2017, Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> remarked:There's not much point having pan and tilt if you haven't got someone
At around 200 squid a time possibly roughly the same good/bad quality >>>>>spread among users applies as before when it seemed to be "TV" quality >>>>>v. something cheaper ?But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play >>>>>>>> VHSHow many would sir like ?
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital >>>>>>>> images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html
I wonder how widely installed those are? Most installed cameras are >>>>>>well
behind the state-of-the-art.
The cost of CCTV systems is much more than just a consumer grade camera. >>>>For public surveillance not only is there the backhaul, but they are >>>>often able to pan and tilt, and need much better sensitivity/ >>>>illumination than those listed.
Have you actually installed and used those cheapo ones? They are OK for >>>>the passageway down the side of a shop, but not much else.
to operate it; the "do you know this person?" pictures generally seem
to come from fixed cameras.
Tell that to the installers of the tens of thousands of cameras which do
pan and tilt.
The need for moveable cameras is reduced by siting fixed cameras at pinch >>>points;
The moveable cameras tend to be at strategic points where they can cover
may different routes. The panning and tilting can be automatic on a timer. >> Such cameras are more for preventing crime than detecting it.
each moveable camera is likely to augment several fixed cameras depending >>>on purpose. When you get to the point of needing to track a specific >>>target then you probably are needing more moveable cameras (and zoom >>>lenses).
You've been watching too much "Spooks".
I never had a problem with spooks following people on CCTV
It was the way that there was always magically a "new" real person to take >over regardless of the route that the perp took, that was unbelievable.
It seems he was arrested at Dover on other grounds. Only later did they discover he was wanted fir the attempted bombing.
No, I've been working in one of many areas where that is exactly whatThe moveable cameras tend to be at strategic points where they can cover >>> may different routes. The panning and tilting can be automatic on a timer. >>> Such cameras are more for preventing crime than detecting it.
each moveable camera is likely to augment several fixed cameras depending >>>>on purpose. When you get to the point of needing to track a specific >>>>target then you probably are needing more moveable cameras (and zoom >>>>lenses).
You've been watching too much "Spooks".
is done when an offender leaves the scene of their crime. They're
generally too thick to go off down a side street so we've often
watched the police with us just waiting for them to walk/run past.
On 18/09/2017 13:34, Recliner wrote:
It seems he was arrested at Dover on other grounds. Only later did they
discover he was wanted fir the attempted bombing.
"They" would say that, wouldn't they...?
In message <6310sc925i341v56vnr5t3up3bcpujc28o@4ax.com>, at 18:47:06 on
Mon, 18 Sep 2017, Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> remarked:
No, I've been working in one of many areas where that is exactly whatThe moveable cameras tend to be at strategic points where they can cover >>>> may different routes. The panning and tilting can be automatic on a timer. >>>> Such cameras are more for preventing crime than detecting it.
each moveable camera is likely to augment several fixed cameras depending >>>>>on purpose. When you get to the point of needing to track a specific >>>>>target then you probably are needing more moveable cameras (and zoom >>>>>lenses).
You've been watching too much "Spooks".
is done when an offender leaves the scene of their crime. They're
generally too thick to go off down a side street so we've often
watched the police with us just waiting for them to walk/run past.
How are the police alerted to the flight of the alleged offender so
soon?
Meanwhile, I was looking at one of the pan/tilt cameras on a street
corner (T-junction) earlier today, and it simply cycles between each of
the three directions every 15-20 seconds.
Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.com.invalid> wrote:
On 18/09/2017 13:34, Recliner wrote:
It seems he was arrested at Dover on other grounds. Only later did they
discover he was wanted fir the attempted bombing.
"They" would say that, wouldn't they...?
Why? "They" would look smarter if they'd claimed to have caught him
through their superior intelligence, rather than catching him through lucky accident.
Through a set of the local authority's radios used by door staff,I've been working in one of many areas where that is exactly what
is done when an offender leaves the scene of their crime. They're >>>generally too thick to go off down a side street so we've often
watched the police with us just waiting for them to walk/run past.
How are the police alerted to the flight of the alleged offender so
soon?
police, street wardens and others.
Meanwhile, I was looking at one of the pan/tilt cameras on a streetThat would suggest it is mainly for observing the traffic when in that
corner (T-junction) earlier today, and it simply cycles between each of
the three directions every 15-20 seconds.
style of use.
It might be findable on one of the various websites that get feeds from >cameras.
On 18/09/2017 13:34, Recliner wrote:
It seems he was arrested at Dover on other grounds. Only later did they
discover he was wanted fir the attempted bombing.
"They" would say that, wouldn't they...?
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 13:58:21 +0100
"tim..." <tims_new_home@yahoo.com> wrote:
<spud@potato.field> wrote in message news:opofmc$1itp$1@gioia.aioe.org...
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 13:39:38 +0100
Because as a couple of hundred people are sitting in a train with a
green
light waiting for the relief driver to turn up to take over, perhaps
having
an alarm bell in the mess might remind him that he's paid to drive the
damn
thing.
well having grown up on a route where turns started at the terminus >>(Morden)
I suppose that I never experienced that problem
Congratulations, you had utl post 80000 on the aioe server :)
<spud@potato.field> wrote in message news:opoi6h$1noc$1@gioia.aioe.org...
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 13:58:21 +0100
"tim..." <tims_new_home@yahoo.com> wrote:
<spud@potato.field> wrote in message news:opofmc$1itp$1@gioia.aioe.org... >>>> On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 13:39:38 +0100
Because as a couple of hundred people are sitting in a train with a
green
light waiting for the relief driver to turn up to take over, perhaps
having
an alarm bell in the mess might remind him that he's paid to drive the >>>> damn
thing.
well having grown up on a route where turns started at the terminus >>>(Morden)
I suppose that I never experienced that problem
Congratulations, you had utl post 80000 on the aioe server :)
does that win me some spurious "free" prize that I have to spend more on an
a 0900 phone number to collect, than it is worth?
On 18/09/2017 22:01, Recliner wrote:
Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.com.invalid> wrote:
On 18/09/2017 13:34, Recliner wrote:
It seems he was arrested at Dover on other grounds. Only later did they >>>> discover he was wanted fir the attempted bombing.
"They" would say that, wouldn't they...?
Why? "They" would look smarter if they'd claimed to have caught him
through their superior intelligence, rather than catching him through
lucky
accident.
They don't need to look smart, just to get the right person. There might
be less paperwork and fewer awkward questions if it was seemingly lucky chance, rather than something which could give some vague clue as to how
they knew.
In message <opm5se$4bb$4@dont-email.me>, at 16:54:53 on Sun, 17 Sep
2017, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked
did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the >>>> person they were looking forLook at Train CCTV of man with with bag getting on at station xxx
or did he give himself away
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag
touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.
Or he's a minor criminal with a record and fingerprints/DNA on file.
Get a match from the bucket.
Very little hard information two days later. One arrest in Dover,
another in London; are either firmly linked to forensics from CCTV and
the bucket, or because of something else?
In message <ujg0sc9e208r47voecgdn06bvponac89vn@4ax.com>, at 23:11:45 on
Mon, 18 Sep 2017, Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> remarked:
Through a set of the local authority's radios used by door staff,I've been working in one of many areas where that is exactly what
is done when an offender leaves the scene of their crime. They're >>>>generally too thick to go off down a side street so we've often
watched the police with us just waiting for them to walk/run past.
How are the police alerted to the flight of the alleged offender so
soon?
police, street wardens and others.
I'm surprised to find that's the idea behind the cameras where I live.
Surprised because I know the police station (where the feeds end up) is >unmanned at the times when they would be most useful.
Meanwhile, I was looking at one of the pan/tilt cameras on a street >>>corner (T-junction) earlier today, and it simply cycles between each of >>>the three directions every 15-20 seconds.That would suggest it is mainly for observing the traffic when in that >>style of use.
Antisocial behaviour.
It might be findable on one of the various websites that get feeds from >>cameras.
No, and the pictures it takes are virtually inaccessible to the public
even under SAR. I've never seen quite such a lots of bogus reasons why
they could refuse :(
Very little hard information two days later. One arrest in Dover,
another in London; are either firmly linked to forensics from CCTV and
the bucket, or because of something else?
Well, they're still making arrests:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41327872
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 07:15:23 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk>
wrote:
In message <ujg0sc9e208r47voecgdn06bvponac89vn@4ax.com>, at 23:11:45 on >>Mon, 18 Sep 2017, Charles Ellson <ce11son@yahoo.ca> remarked:Your area might not use them the same way as Lambeth.
Through a set of the local authority's radios used by door staff,I've been working in one of many areas where that is exactly what
is done when an offender leaves the scene of their crime. They're >>>>>generally too thick to go off down a side street so we've often >>>>>watched the police with us just waiting for them to walk/run past.
How are the police alerted to the flight of the alleged offender so >>>>soon?
police, street wardens and others.
I'm surprised to find that's the idea behind the cameras where I live.
Surprised because I know the police station (where the feeds end up) is >>unmanned at the times when they would be most useful.That tends to happen at night. If the cameras are available then it
Meanwhile, I was looking at one of the pan/tilt cameras on a street >>>>corner (T-junction) earlier today, and it simply cycles between each of >>>>the three directions every 15-20 seconds.That would suggest it is mainly for observing the traffic when in that >>>style of use.
Antisocial behaviour.
would seem to be sensible to use them for observing the traffic at
other times.
In the above case, the cameras are usually "parked" around 4am after
the clubs have closed, not necessarily all aimed at something as at
least one (not at a junction) is just left pointing down.
In message <VqfwB.1231461$zs1.641399@fx15.am4>, at 20:51:01 on Tue, 19
Sep 2017, Recliner <recliner.ng@btinternet.com> remarked:
Very little hard information two days later. One arrest in Dover,
another in London; are either firmly linked to forensics from CCTV and
the bucket, or because of something else?
Turns out to be "something else".
Well, they're still making arrests:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41327872
Most likely "associated with/linked to" one or both of the first two arrestees, rather than to the bucket or CCTV in west London.
ISTR once reading about an aircraft being sent to fly past a major
German warship, in the hope that when the ship came under attack shortly >afterwards the Kriegsmarine would think that the plane had happened to >stumble across it, rather than suspect that someone might be reading
their messages and finding them that way.
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