• Webpage with some Railroad information

    From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to All on Tue Aug 6 11:28:44 2024
    Long time ago I got a Email about 611.

    Looked at the page today to see 611 was restored in 2015.

    The Main page is: retroweb com/wp and has links to 3 Railroad pages on the site.

    retroweb.com/wp/611 is the address for the page about the 611.
    Ed
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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to All on Tue Aug 6 11:32:54 2024
    Looks like I don't get the DOT between retroweb and com in the original post. retroweb.com/wp is the correct address for the home page.
    Ed
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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ed Vance on Wed Aug 7 16:34:00 2024
    Ed Vance wrote to All <=-

    Looks like I don't get the DOT between retroweb and com in the original post. retroweb.com/wp is the correct address for the home page.
    Ed

    Thanks for the link. I've bookmarked it. Looked through his gallery of
    old RR photos. Man, the guys who ran them must have bought only one set
    of blueprints for each style/use building. That stuff from Virginia is
    nearly identical to what I saw on the Chicago & Alton and Illinois
    Terminal here in the Midwest. And still see on the Monticello & Sangamon
    Valley Railway Historical Society's working museum - where I am a life
    member.

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  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to DAVE DRUM on Thu Aug 8 09:36:00 2024
    Thanks for the link. I've bookmarked it. Looked through his gallery of
    old RR photos. Man, the guys who ran them must have bought only one set
    of blueprints for each style/use building. That stuff from Virginia is
    nearly identical to what I saw on the Chicago & Alton and Illinois
    Terminal here in the Midwest. And still see on the Monticello & Sangamon Valley Railway Historical Society's working museum - where I am a life member.

    When buildings are built for utility and not for their ability to catch the eye, I think they often come out the same. That is why the big city
    stations often look a lot different (especially on the outside) while the depots and other buildings along the lines in rural areas are similar and
    not so remarkable (unless you are into trains!).

    With them all looking so similar, it is easy to spot them for railfans.

    Mike


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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Dave Drum on Thu Aug 8 20:17:34 2024


    Thanks for the link. I've bookmarked it. Looked through his gallery of
    old RR photos. Man, the guys who ran them must have bought only one set
    of blueprints for each style/use building. That stuff from Virginia is
    nearly identical to what I saw on the Chicago & Alton and Illinois
    Terminal here in the Midwest. And still see on the Monticello & Sangamon Valley Railway Historical Society's working museum - where I am a life member.

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    My reason for visiting the retroweb page was because on my XP box I have an older page from that site called "The Last Run of N&W 611" that I saved as a .TXT file and I wanted to see the images.
    I didn't see that older article about the 611 at the retroweb page but saw a newer article talking about the 611 around 2015.
    The article I have was Copyrighted 1997 about a December 07, 1994 run.

    I was glad to see the website was still available and knew Mike would like knowing about the RR pages on the website. I didn't know You were a RailFan too.
    Glad I was able to be of service to You, Mike and any others who stumble upon this echo.

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Dumas Walker on Thu Aug 8 20:35:47 2024


    When buildings are built for utility and not for their ability to catch the eye, I think they often come out the same. That is why the big city
    stations often look a lot different (especially on the outside) while the depots and other buildings along the lines in rural areas are similar and
    not so remarkable (unless you are into trains!).

    With them all looking so similar, it is easy to spot them for railfans.

    Mike



    In my teenage days there was a Roundtable on the North side of Oak Street between 13th and 15th Streets in Louisville Kentucky.

    East of the Tracks on the South side was a walkway and I would ride my bicycle part way up the walkway to watch the Steam Engine(s?) there.

    My first (and only) Train ride was from Navy Bootcamp in Great Lakes Illinois to Chicago on my first Boot Leave.
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  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to ED VANCE on Fri Aug 9 10:37:00 2024
    When buildings are built for utility and not for their ability to catch the eye, I think they often come out the same. That is why the big city stations often look a lot different (especially on the outside) while the depots and other buildings along the lines in rural areas are similar and not so remarkable (unless you are into trains!).

    With them all looking so similar, it is easy to spot them for railfans.

    In my teenage days there was a Roundtable on the North side of Oak Street between 13th and 15th Streets in Louisville Kentucky.

    I think that is where the IC and Pennsy tracks came together, south of the Pennsy rail bridge.

    East of the Tracks on the South side was a walkway and I would ride my bicycle
    part way up the walkway to watch the Steam Engine(s?) there.

    Part of me wishes I could have seen some of the steam age, but most of the engines I saw hauling freight as a kid were second gen diesel.

    My first (and only) Train ride was from Navy Bootcamp in Great Lakes Illinois to Chicago on my first Boot Leave.

    I drove by that facility a few Summers ago. Do you remember much about the ride?

    Mike


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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Dumas Walker on Fri Aug 9 11:24:13 2024


    I think that is where the IC and Pennsy tracks came together, south of the Pennsy rail bridge.

    Part of me wishes I could have seen some of the steam age, but most of the engines I saw hauling freight as a kid were second gen diesel.

    I drove by that facility a few Summers ago. Do you remember much about the ride?

    Mike

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    The Seat Backs were hinged to allow passengers in either direction to face forward as the Train moved.
    That's all I can think of.
    1959 was when I took that ride to and from Chicago.
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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ed Vance on Fri Aug 9 14:42:00 2024
    Ed Vance wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Thanks for the link. I've bookmarked it. Looked through his gallery of
    old RR photos. Man, the guys who ran them must have bought only one set
    of blueprints for each style/use building. That stuff from Virginia is nearly identical to what I saw on the Chicago & Alton and Illinois
    Terminal here in the Midwest. And still see on the Monticello & Sangamon Valley Railway Historical Society's working museum - where I am a life member.

    My reason for visiting the retroweb page was because on my XP box I
    have an older page from that site called "The Last Run of N&W 611" that
    I saved as a .TXT file and I wanted to see the images.
    I didn't see that older article about the 611 at the retroweb page but
    saw a newer article talking about the 611 around 2015.
    The article I have was Copyrighted 1997 about a December 07, 1994 run.

    I was glad to see the website was still available and knew Mike would
    like knowing about the RR pages on the website. I didn't know You were
    a RailFan too.

    Just to the point that I'll make a trip or two every summer to ride a
    "dinner train" with preference given to those which are steam powered.

    I grew up in a coal mining town in central Illinois. We had a population
    of about 8000 and 4 separate railroads serving the town. Wabash, B&O,
    Illinois Terminal (electric) and the C&IM (Chicago and Illinos Midland)
    which had a roundhoue and car shops across from my grade school.

    Glad I was able to be of service to You, Mike and any others who
    stumble upon this echo.

    There are still a fair amount of us out there. To this day if I am dong
    a long trip and not driving my car I'll take the train rather than the
    silver bird. Trains don't fall out the sky and splatter you all over the prairie or mountainside. Bv)=


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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Dave Drum on Sat Aug 10 09:10:15 2024


    Just to the point that I'll make a trip or two every summer to ride a
    "dinner train" with preference given to those which are steam powered.

    I grew up in a coal mining town in central Illinois. We had a population
    of about 8000 and 4 separate railroads serving the town. Wabash, B&O, Illinois Terminal (electric) and the C&IM (Chicago and Illinos Midland)
    which had a roundhoue and car shops across from my grade school.

    There are still a fair amount of us out there. To this day if I am dong
    a long trip and not driving my car I'll take the train rather than the
    silver bird. Trains don't fall out the sky and splatter you all over the prairie or mountainside. Bv)=

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    Louisville has the Kentucky & Indiana RR Bridge, the old Pennsylvania RR Bridge now is called (something like) the Louisville-Indiana Bridge.

    I think the K&I RR changed names to Norfolk Southern.

    Louisville & Nashville RR is called CSX now.

    My brother worked at the L&N Shops in Louisville until he got an offer he couldn't refuse - go to Huntington CSX Shop or find another job somewhere.
    He (and many others) moved to West Virginia.

    Me, I'm a River Rat.
    Worked as a Lock and Dam Operator and saw Towboats, Steamboats and Pleasure boats go through the Lock Chamber.

    From there I could also see a Railroad Track running alongside the Interstate highway (I-64), and if I looked up in the Air sometimes would see a Airliner, Private Plane or Helicopter up there.

    All Modes of Transportation.
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  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to DAVE DRUM on Sat Aug 10 11:09:00 2024
    There are still a fair amount of us out there. To this day if I am dong
    a long trip and not driving my car I'll take the train rather than the
    silver bird. Trains don't fall out the sky and splatter you all over the prairie or mountainside. Bv)=

    Indeed they do not. ;) If I am doing a long trip by car, I will usually
    check to see if there are any rail museums along my planned route. Green
    Bay and Duluth have two of the largest ones I have visted. When I was
    younger I also visited one in or near Chattanooga that, IIRC, was pretty
    big. OKC and Barstow also have nice ones.

    Mike

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  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to ED VANCE on Sat Aug 10 10:36:00 2024
    I think the K&I RR changed names to Norfolk Southern.

    The Kentucky and Indiana Terminal RR was a joint-venture between some of
    the roads that served Louisville. As those roads were eventually merged
    into other entities, IIRC the Southern and, later, Norfolk Southern became
    the sole owner.

    Me, I'm a River Rat.
    Worked as a Lock and Dam Operator and saw Towboats, Steamboats and Pleasure boats go through the Lock Chamber.

    From there I could also see a Railroad Track running alongside the Interstate highway (I-64), and if I looked up in the Air sometimes would see a Airliner, Private Plane or Helicopter up there.

    All Modes of Transportation.

    IIRC, that would have been one of the lines running to the K&I Bridge. I
    am old enough to remember hearing the traffic reporter on WHAS talk about automobile traffic backing up on the K&I but I don't ever recall traveling
    over the bridge before they closed the auto lanes down.

    Mike


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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ed Vance on Sun Aug 11 06:27:00 2024
    Ed Vance wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Just to the point that I'll make a trip or two every summer to ride a "dinner train" with preference given to those which are steam powered.

    I grew up in a coal mining town in central Illinois. We had a population
    of about 8000 and 4 separate railroads serving the town. Wabash, B&O, Illinois Terminal (electric) and the C&IM (Chicago and Illinos Midland) which had a roundhoue and car shops across from my grade school.

    There are still a fair amount of us out there. To this day if I am dong
    a long trip and not driving my car I'll take the train rather than the silver bird. Trains don't fall out the sky and splatter you all over the prairie or mountainside. Bv)=

    Louisville has the Kentucky & Indiana RR Bridge, the old Pennsylvania
    RR Bridge now is called (something like) the Louisville-Indiana Bridge.

    I think the K&I RR changed names to Norfolk Southern.

    Louisville & Nashville RR is called CSX now.

    Railroads merge and morph. In my town we have what started life as the
    Chicago & Alton RR, which then becsme the GM&O (Gulf Mobile & Ohio) then
    (in 1972) merged with the Illinois Central (another of my hometown rail
    lines) becoming the ICG (Illinos Central Gulf) later reverting to just
    IC before being gobbled up by Canadian National.

    The tracks they had in and around here are now being used by another conglomerated monster - BNSF .... ERK!

    My brother worked at the L&N Shops in Louisville until he got an offer
    he couldn't refuse - go to Huntington CSX Shop or find another job somewhere. He (and many others) moved to West Virginia.

    I dated a girl when I was in Uncle Sugar's Yacht Club stationed at the
    Naval Air Station, Memphis. Her brother worked on the L&N as a signalman.
    Nice union gig. I went with him one day to he job in a signal tower. We
    chatted for about an hour and a half until a bell dinged and he reached
    over to press a button that lowered the crossing gates and started the
    signal flashers. When the consist had passed he pressed the button one
    more time to kill the lights and raise the gates. That was his whole job.
    And when I asked him what if he was "otherwise occupied" (potty break
    or nap) I was told that they're automatically operated if no one presses
    the button. Sheeesh!

    Me, I'm a River Rat.

    Worked as a Lock and Dam Operator and saw Towboats, Steamboats and Pleasure boats go through the Lock Chamber.

    I thought River Rats were the towboat/barge folks. Bv)=

    From there I could also see a Railroad Track running alongside the Interstate highway (I-64), and if I looked up in the Air sometimes
    would see a Airliner, Private Plane or Helicopter up there.

    All Modes of Transportation.
    Ed

    You my have seen me back in the 70s and 80s pounding up and down the
    highway in my semi hauling empty bottles to distilleries and filled
    bottles out.


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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Dumas Walker on Sun Aug 11 06:37:00 2024
    Dumas Walker wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-

    There are still a fair amount of us out there. To this day if I am dong
    a long trip and not driving my car I'll take the train rather than the silver bird. Trains don't fall out the sky and splatter you all over the prairie or mountainside. Bv)=

    Indeed they do not. ;) If I am doing a long trip by car, I will
    usually check to see if there are any rail museums along my planned
    route. Green Bay and Duluth have two of the largest ones I have
    visted. When I was younger I also visited one in or near Chattanooga that, IIRC, was pretty big. OKC and Barstow also have nice ones.

    Have you done the Museum of Transport in St. Louis? It's really big and comprehensive.

    Something else to check for if travelling is Dinner Train deals. A ride
    on a restored train/trackage with a dining car dinner. Nearest one to
    me that I've done is the Bardstown (KY) Dinner Train. The only thing
    that would make it better would be to pull it w/steam poer rather than
    the EMD E8 (an antique in its own right) that they use.

    They also offer a Bourbon Train as Bardstoen is in the heart of booze production in Kentucy.


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  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to DAVE DRUM on Mon Aug 12 10:17:00 2024
    Indeed they do not. ;) If I am doing a long trip by car, I will usually check to see if there are any rail museums along my planned route. Green Bay and Duluth have two of the largest ones I have
    visted. When I was younger I also visited one in or near Chattanooga that, IIRC, was pretty big. OKC and Barstow also have nice ones.

    Have you done the Museum of Transport in St. Louis? It's really big and comprehensive.

    Yes, I cannot believe I forgot that one. I made a special trip just to see that one. Very comprehensive. They have a whole lot of old steam there.

    Something else to check for if travelling is Dinner Train deals. A ride
    on a restored train/trackage with a dining car dinner. Nearest one to
    me that I've done is the Bardstown (KY) Dinner Train. The only thing
    that would make it better would be to pull it w/steam poer rather than
    the EMD E8 (an antique in its own right) that they use.

    They also offer a Bourbon Train as Bardstoen is in the heart of booze production in Kentucy.

    That would be the nearest one to me also. IIRC, it is run by RJ Corman,
    and they do have at least one steam engine -- one they bought from China
    when China finally phased out steam ~ 20 years ago. They may keep it on a different part of their system, though.

    I have taken a couple of pleasure rides over the years, but neither
    involved dinner. They were nice trips, though.

    Mike


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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Dave Drum on Mon Aug 12 12:09:54 2024


    Railroads merge and morph. In my town we have what started life as the Chicago & Alton RR, which then becsme the GM&O (Gulf Mobile & Ohio) then
    (in 1972) merged with the Illinois Central (another of my hometown rail lines) becoming the ICG (Illinos Central Gulf) later reverting to just
    IC before being gobbled up by Canadian National.

    The tracks they had in and around here are now being used by another conglomerated monster - BNSF .... ERK!

    I dated a girl when I was in Uncle Sugar's Yacht Club stationed at the
    Naval Air Station, Memphis. Her brother worked on the L&N as a signalman. Nice union gig. I went with him one day to he job in a signal tower. We chatted for about an hour and a half until a bell dinged and he reached
    over to press a button that lowered the crossing gates and started the
    signal flashers. When the consist had passed he pressed the button one
    more time to kill the lights and raise the gates. That was his whole job.
    And when I asked him what if he was "otherwise occupied" (potty break
    or nap) I was told that they're automatically operated if no one presses
    the button. Sheeesh!

    I thought River Rats were the towboat/barge folks. Bv)=

    You my have seen me back in the 70s and 80s pounding up and down the
    highway in my semi hauling empty bottles to distilleries and filled
    bottles out.

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    I live 1/2 Mile from the Ohio River so I still call myself a River Rat.
    Ed
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