• The Ohio toxic train wreck was '100% preventable' but there's no eviden

    From Biden's USA@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 24 03:31:34 2023
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    The operator of the train tried to stop the 38 cars after an alert sounded
    due to an overheated wheel bearing, NTSB officials said.

    (CNN) -- Federal investigators released a spate of new details Thursday
    about the fiery train derailment that spewed toxic chemicals and wreaked
    havoc in East Palestine, Ohio.

    The initial fire started Feb. 3 when a Norfolk Southern rail car carrying plastic pellets was heated by a hot axle, said Jennifer Homendy, chair of
    the National Transportation Safety Board.

    The temperature of the bearing increased as the train passed two wayside
    defect detectors -- but it wasn't high enough to trigger an audible alarm message until it passed a third detector, Homendy said.

    She said the threshold for those detectors is set by the railroad. Investigators have not identified any track defects nor issues with the
    wayside defect detectors, Homendy said.

    A total of 38 train cars derailed in East Palestine, near the Ohio- Pennsylvania border. They included "11 tank cars carrying hazardous
    materials that subsequently ignited, fueling fires" that damaged a dozen
    cars that didn't derail, the NTSB said in a preliminary report Thursday.

    Five of those derailed train cars were carrying 115,580 gallons of vinyl chloride, according to the report. Vinyl chloride can increase the risk of cancer and is highly flammable.

    Those five cars "continued to concern authorities because the temperature inside one tank car was still rising," indicating a polymerization
    reaction which could result in an explosion, the report said. To help
    prevent a deadly explosion of vinyl chloride, crews released the toxic
    chemical into a trench and burned it off three days after the derailment.

    The new revelations came after residents who have reported health problems since the toxic train wreck lambasted Norfolk Southern's CEO and after
    calls for Norfolk Southern to buy the homes of residents who don't feel
    safe.

    Among the other details in the NTSB's initial report:

    • While no cause of the derailment has been released, investigators are focusing on one car's wheel set and bearing. Video of the train before the derailment showed what appeared to be an overheated wheel bearing, the
    report said. Footage showed sparks flying from underneath the train.

    • One wheel bearing's temperature reached a "critical" level -- 253
    degrees Fahrenheit above the ambient temperature -- and prompted an
    audible alarm that instructed "the crew to slow and stop the train to
    inspect a hot axle," the report says.

    • The train's engineer applied the train's brakes and additional braking
    after the alert of an overheating axle, the reports states.

    View the full NTSB press conference:

    https://youtu.be/nPOq5XwLWZg

    The derailment was "100% preventable," Homendy said. "We call things
    accidents -- there is no accident. Every single event that we investigate
    is preventable."

    But she said there is no evidence the train's crew "did anything wrong."

    The engineer was already braking to slow down behind another train. So
    when the alarm sounded, he responded "immediately" and increased the brake application, Homendy said.

    "During this deceleration, the wheel bearing failed," she said. "Car 23 derailed, and the train initiated an emergency brake application and came
    to a stop."

    Shortly before the NTSB released the new details, members of the agency
    met with U.S. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg as he toured East Palestine for the first time since the disaster.

    Train slowed dramatically before derailment
    The train slowed dramatically after the first signs of the potential wheel bearing overheat appeared on surveillance video -- about 21 miles before
    it derailed, according to a new CNN analysis of surveillance video and Department of Transportation documents.

    The train had been traveling at an average speed of 49 miles per hour
    between Alliance, Ohio, and Salem, Ohio -- but then slowed down to nearly
    half that speed between Salem and East Palestine.

    CNN calculated the train's average speed by using surveillance video time stamps that showed the train's positions at specific points on the track.

    The slowdown was well below the "typical speed range" for a train
    traveling along that stretch of track, according to documents filed in
    2020 with the Federal Railroad Administration.

    It's unclear what prompted that dramatic slowdown. CNN reached out to
    Norfolk Southern but did not immediately receive a response.

    Norfolk Southern should consider buying worried residents' homes, official
    says
    Ohio officials have repeatedly said air quality and municipal water tests
    in East Palestine show no dangerous levels of chemicals.

    But residents worry about potential health effects, and some have reported bloody noses, burning throats, nausea, headaches and vomiting since the
    toxic wreck.

    Ohio Lt. Gov. Jon Husted said Norfolk Southern -- which reported a record- setting operating profit of $4.8 billion last year -- "should consider
    buying property of people who may not feel safe or would want to relocate
    as a result of the spill."

    Husted told CNN on Thursday that findings from the NTSB investigation
    "could be the basis for a criminal referral."

    Across the border in Pennsylvania -- where some residents were also
    ordered to evacuate -- the state attorney general's office is already
    looking into a criminal referral against Norfolk Southern, at the request
    of state environmental officials.

    "Pennsylvanians have a constitutional right to clean air and pure water,
    and we will not hesitate to hold anyone or any company responsible for environmental crimes in our Commonwealth," the attorney general's office
    said.

    Norfolk Southern spokesperson Katie Byrd declined to comment specifically
    on the criminal referral.

    "I think our actions to work with local, state, and federal leaders from
    the beginning, support the community, and lead on environmental
    remediation speak for themselves for the moment," Byrd said in an email to
    CNN.

    'Your company stinks'
    East Palestine residents -- including some who have reported health
    problems since the disaster -- vented their frustration at government
    officials and Norfolk Southern.

    "Your company stinks," resident Jim Stewart told Norfolk Southern CEO Alan
    Shaw during a CNN town hall Wednesday night.

    Stewart, who has lived in East Palestine for more than six decades, said
    the wreck torched his dreams of retiring soon and selling his house. He
    said he worries about the home's value now and is afraid to take his dog
    out because of a strong stench lingering in the air.

    The EPA said testing shows the air and municipal water in East Palestine
    are safe. But some residents aren't convinced.

    "I don't feel safe because I don't know what the future holds for my
    town," lifelong resident Jessica Conard said. "This has the potential to
    really decimate a small town like us."

    Bloody noses, nausea, emergency room visits
    Courtney Newman, a mother and teacher in East Palestine, said since her
    family returned home, her son has had "bloody noses every day," and she
    has had "skin issues."

    Another resident, Josh Hickman, said he is still staying at a hotel as he doesn't feel safe returning home, but he's had to come into the village a
    few times and experienced symptoms including headaches, dizziness and
    blood from his nose -- and on Tuesday, sought treatment at the emergency
    room.

    A third resident reported eyes burning, headaches and vomiting since the derailment.

    In addition to vinyl chloride, chemicals of concern at the site include phosgene and hydrogen chloride, which are released when vinyl chloride
    breaks down; butyl acrylate; ethylene glycol monobutyl ether acetate; and 2-ethylhexyl acrylate, according to the EPA. All these chemicals can
    change when they break down or react with other things in the environment, creating a stew of potential toxins.

    "We're getting everything we need, except answers," East Palestine Mayor
    Trent Conaway said Wednesday. "We need answers, as far as the health
    concerns."

    During the town hall, Ohio's governor stressed he did not want to minimize
    any medical issues potentially linked to the derailment, saying that's the reason he requested medical experts to the community.

    Medical teams from the U.S. Centers for Diseases Control and Prevention
    and the US Department of Health and Human Services will also be on the
    ground this week at Gov. Mike DeWine's request, he said Friday.

    The state opened a health assessment clinic Tuesday for residents who
    worry their symptoms could be linked to the wreck. The clinic includes
    nurses, toxicologists and mental health professionals, and can provide residents with referrals if needed, according to the Ohio Department of
    Health.

    What Norfolk Southern is now required to do
    Despite repeated questions from frustrated residents, Shaw, the CEO of
    Norfolk Southern, declined to answer questions regarding the wreck investigation and details about what may have caused the derailment,
    saying he was "prohibited" from talking about the probe.

    "I'm terribly sorry that this has happened to this community," he said.
    "What I can do, and what I will do, is make it right."

    "We're going to get the cleanup right, we're going to reimburse the
    citizens, we're going to invest in the long term health of this
    community," Shaw said. "I'm going to see this through, and we're going to
    be here. And we're going to work with these community leaders to help you thrive."

    "We're looking for ideas from the community on where we can help," he
    added.

    Norfolk Southern has been ordered by the EPA to fully clean up the wreck -
    - or face expensive consequences.

    "EPA has special authority for situations just like this where we can
    compel companies who inflict trauma and cause environmental and health
    damage to communities, like Norfolk Southern has done, to completely clean
    up the messed that they've caused and pay for it," administrator Michael
    Regan said.

    According to Regan, Norfolk Southern will be required to:

    provide a descriptive work plan on how they plan to clean up the water,
    soil and debris,
    reimburse the EPA for providing residents a cleaning service of their
    homes and businesses,
    show up to public meetings and explain their progress.
    "If Norfolk Southern decides that they don't want to follow the order, EPA
    will step in, so that there's no break in service, perform these duties,
    while fining the company up to $70,000 a day and then we'll recoup our
    cost on the back end," Regan said during the town hall. "And the law gives
    us the authority to charge Norfolk Southern up to three times the amount
    that the cleanup will cost us."

    As cleanup continues, residents remain skeptical
    The ongoing cleanup efforts at the derailment site include removing contaminated soil and water from under the railroad tracks.

    The contaminated soil became a point of contention last week after a
    public document sent to the EPA on February 10 did not list soil removal
    among completed cleanup activities. It is not yet known what significance
    or impact the soil that was not removed before the railroad reopened on February 8 will have had on the surrounding areas.

    DeWine said 4,588 cubic yards of soil and 1.1 million gallons of
    contaminated water have been removed so far from East Palestine. The
    railroad tracks will also be taken up so that the soil can be removed, the governor has said.

    In a Wednesday update, DeWine reiterated test results showed water coming
    from East Palestine's municipal system was safe to drink, but said
    officials will continue testing the water weekly to ensure it remains
    clean.

    Health authorities have also tested water from at least 74 private wells
    and those results are pending. Residents who get their water from private
    wells -- which may be closer to the surface than municipal wells -- should continue drinking bottled water until they receive their test results, the governor said.

    But some residents remain hesitant to believe what they've been told.

    "Since I (got) home from evacuating, I'm still not using the water because
    I never know if ... they're telling the truth or it's a lie," resident
    Nene Stewart said during the town hall. "I use bottled water. I can't. I'm
    not trusting what they're saying. I don't know who's telling the truth."

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to Biden's USA on Fri Feb 24 04:38:04 2023
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    In article <tt9b2l$fnb$2@toxic.dizum.net>,
    "Biden's USA" <trainwreck@biden.com> wrote:

    The derailment was "100% preventable," Homendy said. "We call things accidents -- there is no accident. Every single event that we investigate
    is preventable.

    That's right and FYI railway regulations were rolled back under Trump's
    USA.

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  • From Yak@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 24 08:00:35 2023
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    On 2/24/23 5:38 AM, super70s wrote:
    In article <tt9b2l$fnb$2@toxic.dizum.net>,
    "Biden's USA" <trainwreck@biden.com> wrote:

    The derailment was "100% preventable," Homendy said. "We call things
    accidents -- there is no accident. Every single event that we investigate
    is preventable.

    That's right and FYI railway regulations were rolled back under Trump's
    USA.

    Which had no impact on this derailment.

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  • From Klaus Schadenfreude@21:1/5 to super70s@super70s.invalid on Fri Feb 24 05:48:04 2023
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    On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 04:38:04 -0600, super70s
    <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    In article <tt9b2l$fnb$2@toxic.dizum.net>,
    "Biden's USA" <trainwreck@biden.com> wrote:

    The derailment was "100% preventable," Homendy said. "We call things
    accidents -- there is no accident. Every single event that we investigate
    is preventable.

    That's right and FYI railway regulations were rolled back under Trump's
    USA.

    Laugh laugh laugh laugh.

    Tell us all how this caused the bad bearing.

    Right here ---->

    The derailment of a freight train in East Palestine, Ohio, involved an overheated wheel bearing https://www.newscientist.com/article/2361101-ohio-train-derailment-investigators-outline-facts-of-the-accident/

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  • From Klaus Schadenfreude@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Fri Feb 24 08:59:53 2023
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    On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 11:20:12 -0500, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 05:48:04 -0800, Klaus Schadenfreude ><klaus.schadenfreude.löschen.@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 04:38:04 -0600, super70s
    <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    In article <tt9b2l$fnb$2@toxic.dizum.net>,
    "Biden's USA" <trainwreck@biden.com> wrote:

    The derailment was "100% preventable," Homendy said. "We call things
    accidents -- there is no accident. Every single event that we investigate >>>> is preventable.

    That's right and FYI railway regulations were rolled back under Trump's >>>USA.

    Laugh laugh laugh laugh.

    Tell us all how this caused the bad bearing.

    Right here ---->

    The derailment of a freight train in East Palestine, Ohio, involved an >>overheated wheel bearing >>https://www.newscientist.com/article/2361101-ohio-train-derailment-investigators-outline-facts-of-the-accident/

    Nobody noticed it before? Are cars and other equipment not inspected periodically? I
    read about this as well. The railroad needs to review it's standards. Waiting until a
    wheel bearing is hot enough to cook a roast is not a good idea.

    They have heat sensors alongside the railroad. Sounds like they
    ignored it until it was too late.

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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to klaus.schadenfreude.lĂ·schen.@gmail. on Fri Feb 24 11:20:12 2023
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    On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 05:48:04 -0800, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.löschen.@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 04:38:04 -0600, super70s
    <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    In article <tt9b2l$fnb$2@toxic.dizum.net>,
    "Biden's USA" <trainwreck@biden.com> wrote:

    The derailment was "100% preventable," Homendy said. "We call things
    accidents -- there is no accident. Every single event that we investigate >>> is preventable.

    That's right and FYI railway regulations were rolled back under Trump's >>USA.

    Laugh laugh laugh laugh.

    Tell us all how this caused the bad bearing.

    Right here ---->

    The derailment of a freight train in East Palestine, Ohio, involved an >overheated wheel bearing >https://www.newscientist.com/article/2361101-ohio-train-derailment-investigators-outline-facts-of-the-accident/

    Nobody noticed it before? Are cars and other equipment not inspected periodically? I
    read about this as well. The railroad needs to review it's standards. Waiting until a
    wheel bearing is hot enough to cook a roast is not a good idea.

    Swill
    --
    Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit!

    Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

    Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to klaus.schadenfreude.lĂ·schen.@gmail. on Fri Feb 24 13:14:00 2023
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    On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 08:59:53 -0800, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.löschen.@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 11:20:12 -0500, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 05:48:04 -0800, Klaus Schadenfreude >><klaus.schadenfreude.löschen.@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 04:38:04 -0600, super70s
    <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    In article <tt9b2l$fnb$2@toxic.dizum.net>,
    "Biden's USA" <trainwreck@biden.com> wrote:

    The derailment was "100% preventable," Homendy said. "We call things >>>>> accidents -- there is no accident. Every single event that we investigate >>>>> is preventable.

    That's right and FYI railway regulations were rolled back under Trump's >>>>USA.

    Laugh laugh laugh laugh.

    Tell us all how this caused the bad bearing.

    Right here ---->

    The derailment of a freight train in East Palestine, Ohio, involved an >>>overheated wheel bearing >>>https://www.newscientist.com/article/2361101-ohio-train-derailment-investigators-outline-facts-of-the-accident/

    Nobody noticed it before? Are cars and other equipment not inspected periodically? I
    read about this as well. The railroad needs to review it's standards. Waiting until a
    wheel bearing is hot enough to cook a roast is not a good idea.

    They have heat sensors alongside the railroad. Sounds like they
    ignored it until it was too late.

    Exactly. They were getting rising readings but these were ignored. The train wasn't
    stopped until *after* the critical temperature was read. It should have been stopped long
    before then.

    Swill
    --
    Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit!

    Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

    Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

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