• Slovenia to Italy...

    From Ulf.Kutzner@web.de@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 12 09:50:28 2018
    Am Freitag, 27. Januar 2012 14:41:50 UTC+1 schrieb amogles:

    The same may well happen in Spain as the high speed line makes it
    faster to go from Madrid to Paris via Figueres/Perpignan rather than
    via Hendaye/Irun as it was in the past.

    Even worse: There are *no* more SNCF passenger trains to
    Irún, and just two RENFE Long-distance trains per day
    to Hendaye as from december 2017.

    By the way, you do not want to go from Bordeaux to
    places between San Sebastián/Donostia and Valladolid
    via Figueres.

    Regards, ULF

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  • From tim...@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 13 09:29:17 2018
    <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> wrote in message news:6a4941e7-84f1-493d-bf4e-2aaee61ab53c@googlegroups.com...
    Am Freitag, 27. Januar 2012 14:41:50 UTC+1 schrieb amogles:

    The same may well happen in Spain as the high speed line makes it
    faster to go from Madrid to Paris via Figueres/Perpignan rather than
    via Hendaye/Irun as it was in the past.

    Even worse: There are *no* more SNCF passenger trains to
    Irún,

    why does it matter who runs them, if there are actually trains running?

    and just two RENFE Long-distance trains per day
    to Hendaye as from december 2017.

    DB shows 6

    tim

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  • From Ulf.Kutzner@web.de@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 13 11:59:09 2018
    Good evening,

    Am Dienstag, 13. März 2018 10:30:29 UTC+1 schrieb tim...:

    The same may well happen in Spain as the high speed line makes it
    faster to go from Madrid to Paris via Figueres/Perpignan rather than
    via Hendaye/Irun as it was in the past.

    Even worse: There are *no* more SNCF passenger trains to
    Irún,

    why does it matter who runs them, if there are actually trains running?

    There are *no* passenger trains from Hendaye to Irún
    on the 1435/1676 mm connection.

    and just two RENFE Long-distance trains per day
    to Hendaye as from december 2017.

    DB shows 6

    This way?

    +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
    | Bahnhof | An | Ab | Zug Nr. | Bemerkungen |
    +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
    | Irun | | 21:17 | IC 280 |RP GP 1. |
    | Hendaye | 21:22 | | | |
    +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
    | Fahrzeit: 0:05; |
    | fährt nicht täglich, 13. Mär bis 28. Mai 2018 |
    | Preisauskunft nicht möglich |
    | RP: Reservierungspflicht |
    | GP: Globalpreis |
    | 1.: Hendaye |
    +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
    | Irun | | 11:23 | HOT 310 |RP GP SW 1. |
    | Hendaye | 11:33 | | | |
    +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
    | Fahrzeit: 0:10; |
    | fährt nicht täglich, 13. Mär bis 29. Mai 2018 |
    | Preisauskunft nicht möglich |
    | RP: Reservierungspflicht |
    | GP: Globalpreis |
    | SW: Schlafwagen |
    | 1.: Hendaye |
    +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
    | Irun | | 21:17 | IC 280 |RP GP 1. |
    | Hendaye | 21:22 | | | |
    +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
    | Fahrzeit: 0:05; |
    | fährt nicht täglich, 13. Mär bis 28. Mai 2018 |
    | Preisauskunft nicht möglich |
    | RP: Reservierungspflicht |
    | GP: Globalpreis |
    | 1.: Hendaye |
    +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
    | Irun | | 11:23 | HOT 310 |RP GP SW 1. |
    | Hendaye | 11:33 | | | |
    +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
    | Fahrzeit: 0:10; |
    | fährt nicht täglich, 13. Mär bis 29. Mai 2018 |
    | Preisauskunft nicht möglich |
    | RP: Reservierungspflicht |
    | GP: Globalpreis |
    | SW: Schlafwagen |
    | 1.: Hendaye |
    +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
    | Irun | | 21:17 | IC 280 |RP GP 1. |
    | Hendaye | 21:22 | | | |
    +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
    | Fahrzeit: 0:05; |
    | fährt nicht täglich, 13. Mär bis 28. Mai 2018 |
    | Preisauskunft nicht möglich |
    | RP: Reservierungspflicht |
    | GP: Globalpreis |
    | 1.: Hendaye |
    +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
    | Irun | | 11:23 | HOT 310 |RP GP SW 1. |
    | Hendaye | 11:33 | | | |
    +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
    | Fahrzeit: 0:10; |
    | fährt nicht täglich, 13. Mär bis 29. Mai 2018 |
    | Preisauskunft nicht möglich |
    | RP: Reservierungspflicht |
    | GP: Globalpreis |
    | SW: Schlafwagen |
    | 1.: Hendaye |
    +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+

    Regards, ULF

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  • From tim...@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 14 08:26:09 2018
    <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> wrote in message news:428847a1-b822-431c-ba57-7dc29d48f3cb@googlegroups.com...
    Good evening,

    Am Dienstag, 13. März 2018 10:30:29 UTC+1 schrieb tim...:

    The same may well happen in Spain as the high speed line makes it
    faster to go from Madrid to Paris via Figueres/Perpignan rather than
    via Hendaye/Irun as it was in the past.

    Even worse: There are *no* more SNCF passenger trains to
    Irún,

    why does it matter who runs them, if there are actually trains running?

    There are *no* passenger trains from Hendaye to Irún
    on the 1435/1676 mm connection.

    odd

    there are trains in the other direction, albeit very infrequently

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to tim... on Wed Mar 14 12:53:19 2018
    tim... <tims_new_home@yahoo.com> wrote:


    <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> wrote in message news:428847a1-b822-431c-ba57-7dc29d48f3cb@googlegroups.com...
    There are *no* passenger trains from Hendaye to Irún
    on the 1435/1676 mm connection.

    odd

    there are trains in the other direction, albeit very infrequently

    My understanding is that there was an arrangement where southbound SNCF
    trains would cross the border to terminate at Irun, and northbound RENFE
    trains would cross the border to terminate at Hendaye. It seems SNCF have unilaterally terminated their side of this, so that their trains terminate
    at Hendaye, meaning it's not possible to change from SNCF to RENFE in a southbound direction.

    There is at least Euskotren as another way to get across the border, but
    it doesn't exactly make it easy...

    Theo

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  • From Ulf.Kutzner@web.de@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 14 06:08:01 2018
    Am Mittwoch, 14. März 2018 13:53:22 UTC+1 schrieb Theo:

    My understanding is that there was an arrangement where southbound SNCF trains would cross the border to terminate at Irun, and northbound RENFE trains would cross the border to terminate at Hendaye.

    Including landside documents & customs checks with
    immigration. Well, both of them have been officially
    abolished but not the treaty.

    There was a modification with SNCF trains no longer running
    to Puigcerdà on the Ax - Barcelona line.

    For a couple of months, Train to Lisbon started from
    Hendaye instead of Irún.

    It seems SNCF have
    unilaterally terminated their side of this, so that their trains terminate
    at Hendaye, meaning it's not possible to change from SNCF to RENFE in a southbound direction.

    The Agreement says SNCF can, not must, send their trains to
    Irún. Looks like domestic TGV Duplex trainsets (different from
    TGV Euroduplex operating into Catalunya) have
    no technical clearance for Irún.

    Regards, ULF

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  • From Ulf.Kutzner@web.de@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 28 08:35:28 2018
    Am Mittwoch, 14. März 2018 13:53:22 UTC+1 schrieb Theo:

    There are *no* passenger trains from Hendaye to Irún
    on the 1435/1676 mm connection.

    odd

    there are trains in the other direction, albeit very infrequently

    My understanding is that there was an arrangement where southbound SNCF trains would cross the border to terminate at Irun, and northbound RENFE trains would cross the border to terminate at Hendaye. It seems SNCF have unilaterally terminated their side of this, so that their trains terminate
    at Hendaye, meaning it's not possible to change from SNCF to RENFE in a southbound direction.

    There is at least Euskotren as another way to get across the border, but
    it doesn't exactly make it easy...


    Things became better with another exception having started a few days ago: https://www.cp.pt/passageiros/pt/consultar-horarios/avisos/sud-expresso

    Regards, ULF

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