• When SNCF did food

    From Theo@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 3 23:30:41 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    Another world... http://www.nytimes.com/1986/01/19/travel/riding-the-nouvelle-premiere.html?pagewanted=all

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  • From hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk@21:1/5 to Theo on Mon Jul 3 23:53:40 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    On 03.07.17 23:30, Theo wrote:
    Another world... http://www.nytimes.com/1986/01/19/travel/riding-the-nouvelle-premiere.html?pagewanted=all

    Do VIA Rail Canada and Amtrak also do food?

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  • From Ulf.Kutzner@web.de@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 4 00:16:33 2017
    Am Dienstag, 4. Juli 2017 00:30:44 UTC+2 schrieb Theo:
    Another world... http://www.nytimes.com/1986/01/19/travel/riding-the-nouvelle-premiere.html?pagewanted=all

    Another food, but still SNCF: http://medias.sncf.com/sncfcom/pdf/restauration/Carte_Bar_TGV.pdf

    Regards, ULF

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  • From Graeme Wall@21:1/5 to hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk on Tue Jul 4 08:02:00 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    On 03/07/2017 23:53, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
    On 03.07.17 23:30, Theo wrote:
    Another world...
    http://www.nytimes.com/1986/01/19/travel/riding-the-nouvelle-premiere.html?pagewanted=all


    Do VIA Rail Canada and Amtrak also do food?

    Yes

    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to rail@greywall.demon.co.uk on Tue Jul 4 17:37:03 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    In article <ojfea4$5sp$1@dont-email.me>, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
    http://www.nytimes.com/1986/01/19/travel/riding-the-nouvelle-premiere.html?pagewanted=all

    Do VIA Rail Canada and Amtrak also do food?

    Yes

    Amfood tends to sandwiches and microwave pizza on short distance trains, standard US stuff like steak, chicken, and pasta on long distance trains.
    Most long distance trains still have seated diners with waiter service.

    The first class section of the Acela express in the northeast has some
    culinary pretentions, but keep in mind that they think Stella is a premium beer:

    https://www.amtrak.com/ccurl/171/386/Acela-Express-First-Class-Menus-0417.pdf

    In Canada, the medium distance trains have sandwiches and tray meals,
    with an emphasis on Canadian ingredients, e.g. Montreal bagels and
    Niagara wine. The sleepers on the transcontinental Canadian are as
    good as it gets:

    http://www.viarail.ca/sites/all/files/media/pdfs/menus/111135807-13_Menu-Diner_SD15103_EN.pdf

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  • From chris@anywhere.com@21:1/5 to hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk on Tue Jul 4 19:00:05 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 23:53:40 +0100, "hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk" <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    On 03.07.17 23:30, Theo wrote:
    Another world...
    http://www.nytimes.com/1986/01/19/travel/riding-the-nouvelle-premiere.html?pagewanted=all


    I have fond memories of an excellent lunch (rabbit, as I recall) being
    served on train 283 between Paris and Brussels, in 1984 or
    thereabouts.

    No supplement payable on that train, and second class passengers (like
    me) welcome in the restaurant car.

    Chris.

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  • From tim...@21:1/5 to John Levine on Tue Jul 4 20:27:40 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    "John Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> wrote in message news:ojgjnv$9s6$1@gal.iecc.com...
    In article <ojfea4$5sp$1@dont-email.me>, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
    http://www.nytimes.com/1986/01/19/travel/riding-the-nouvelle-premiere.html?pagewanted=all

    Do VIA Rail Canada and Amtrak also do food?

    Yes

    Amfood tends to sandwiches and microwave pizza on short distance trains, standard US stuff like steak, chicken, and pasta on long distance trains. Most long distance trains still have seated diners with waiter service.

    The first class section of the Acela express in the northeast has some culinary pretentions, but keep in mind that they think Stella is a premium beer:

    compared to "bud" surely it is

    tim

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to tim... on Tue Jul 4 21:52:49 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    In article <ojgq1p$uu6$1@dont-email.me>,
    tim... <tims_new_home@yahoo.com> wrote:
    The first class section of the Acela express in the northeast has some
    culinary pretentions, but keep in mind that they think Stella is a premium >> beer:

    compared to "bud" surely it is

    I dunno, they're both bland pale lagers made in vast quantities by AB
    InBev.

    Amtrak also stock some reasonable beers but somehow Stella has managed
    to brand itself in the US as sophisticated and upmarket as opposed to
    the choice of Flemish lager louts.

    R's,
    John

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  • From Nobody@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 4 16:17:02 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    On Tue, 4 Jul 2017 21:52:49 +0000 (UTC), John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
    wrote:

    In article <ojgq1p$uu6$1@dont-email.me>,
    tim... <tims_new_home@yahoo.com> wrote:
    The first class section of the Acela express in the northeast has some
    culinary pretentions, but keep in mind that they think Stella is a premium >>> beer:

    compared to "bud" surely it is

    I dunno, they're both bland pale lagers made in vast quantities by AB
    InBev.

    Amtrak also stock some reasonable beers but somehow Stella has managed
    to brand itself in the US as sophisticated and upmarket as opposed to
    the choice of Flemish lager louts.

    R's,
    John

    It's the "Artois" attachment which adds the cachet...

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Ulf.Kutzner@web.de on Wed Jul 5 00:36:52 2017
    Ulf.Kutzner@web.de wrote:
    Another food, but still SNCF: http://medias.sncf.com/sncfcom/pdf/restauration/Carte_Bar_TGV.pdf

    I suspect some in France will disagree.

    Theo

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  • From Graeme Wall@21:1/5 to John Levine on Wed Jul 5 16:03:06 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    On 04/07/2017 22:52, John Levine wrote:
    In article <ojgq1p$uu6$1@dont-email.me>,
    tim... <tims_new_home@yahoo.com> wrote:
    The first class section of the Acela express in the northeast has some
    culinary pretentions, but keep in mind that they think Stella is a premium >>> beer:

    compared to "bud" surely it is

    I dunno, they're both bland pale lagers made in vast quantities by AB
    InBev.

    Amtrak also stock some reasonable beers but somehow Stella has managed
    to brand itself in the US as sophisticated and upmarket as opposed to
    the choice of Flemish lager louts.


    In Canada it was Boddingtons!


    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.

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  • From hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk@21:1/5 to John Levine on Thu Jul 6 00:37:45 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    On 04.07.17 22:52, John Levine wrote:
    In article <ojgq1p$uu6$1@dont-email.me>,
    tim... <tims_new_home@yahoo.com> wrote:
    The first class section of the Acela express in the northeast has some
    culinary pretentions, but keep in mind that they think Stella is a premium >>> beer:

    compared to "bud" surely it is

    I dunno, they're both bland pale lagers made in vast quantities by AB
    InBev.

    Amtrak also stock some reasonable beers but somehow Stella has managed
    to brand itself in the US as sophisticated and upmarket

    ???

    Wifebeater? Really?

    Although once when I was at a restaurant in the United States, and I
    asked what beers they had, the waiter pronounced Artois as "Artoyz."

    as opposed to
    the choice of Flemish lager louts.

    Can't have that in the United States, that's "foreign" beer and thus
    highly suspicious. Probably made by Mexicans and Moslems.

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  • From hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk@21:1/5 to Nobody on Thu Jul 6 00:38:24 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    On 05.07.17 0:17, Nobody wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Jul 2017 21:52:49 +0000 (UTC), John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
    wrote:

    In article <ojgq1p$uu6$1@dont-email.me>,
    tim... <tims_new_home@yahoo.com> wrote:
    The first class section of the Acela express in the northeast has some >>>> culinary pretentions, but keep in mind that they think Stella is a premium >>>> beer:

    compared to "bud" surely it is

    I dunno, they're both bland pale lagers made in vast quantities by AB
    InBev.

    Amtrak also stock some reasonable beers but somehow Stella has managed
    to brand itself in the US as sophisticated and upmarket as opposed to
    the choice of Flemish lager louts.

    R's,
    John

    It's the "Artois" attachment which adds the cachet...

    Wifebeater?!

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  • From Jeremy Double@21:1/5 to Graeme Wall on Thu Jul 6 07:42:34 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
    On 04/07/2017 22:52, John Levine wrote:
    In article <ojgq1p$uu6$1@dont-email.me>,
    tim... <tims_new_home@yahoo.com> wrote:
    The first class section of the Acela express in the northeast has some >>>> culinary pretentions, but keep in mind that they think Stella is a premium >>>> beer:

    compared to "bud" surely it is

    I dunno, they're both bland pale lagers made in vast quantities by AB
    InBev.

    Amtrak also stock some reasonable beers but somehow Stella has managed
    to brand itself in the US as sophisticated and upmarket as opposed to
    the choice of Flemish lager louts.


    In Canada it was Boddingtons!



    I've had draft Boddingtons in Michigan...

    --
    Jeremy Double

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  • From Graeme Wall@21:1/5 to Jeremy Double on Thu Jul 6 13:28:39 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    On 06/07/2017 08:42, Jeremy Double wrote:
    Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
    On 04/07/2017 22:52, John Levine wrote:
    In article <ojgq1p$uu6$1@dont-email.me>,
    tim... <tims_new_home@yahoo.com> wrote:
    The first class section of the Acela express in the northeast has some >>>>> culinary pretentions, but keep in mind that they think Stella is a premium
    beer:

    compared to "bud" surely it is

    I dunno, they're both bland pale lagers made in vast quantities by AB
    InBev.

    Amtrak also stock some reasonable beers but somehow Stella has managed
    to brand itself in the US as sophisticated and upmarket as opposed to
    the choice of Flemish lager louts.


    In Canada it was Boddingtons!



    I've had draft Boddingtons in Michigan...


    I've seen it in New York but drank Brooklyn Brewery regardless.

    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk on Thu Jul 6 19:23:51 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    In article <ojjt14$es4$1@dont-email.me>,
    hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    as opposed to the choice of Flemish lager louts.

    Can't have that in the United States, that's "foreign" beer and thus
    highly suspicious. Probably made by Mexicans and Moslems.

    It's even worse than that -- it's made by Brazilians.

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  • From hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk@21:1/5 to John Levine on Thu Jul 6 22:21:54 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    On 06.07.17 20:23, John Levine wrote:
    In article <ojjt14$es4$1@dont-email.me>,
    hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    as opposed to the choice of Flemish lager louts.

    Can't have that in the United States, that's "foreign" beer and thus
    highly suspicious. Probably made by Mexicans and Moslems.

    It's even worse than that -- it's made by Brazilians.



    Brazilians? Who the f* are they?!

    "We don't who they are, we don't know where they came from ... "

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  • From Steve Fitzgerald@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 9 22:52:35 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    In message <ojgjnv$9s6$1@gal.iecc.com>, John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
    writes
    In Canada, the medium distance trains have sandwiches and tray meals,
    with an emphasis on Canadian ingredients, e.g. Montreal bagels and
    Niagara wine. The sleepers on the transcontinental Canadian are as
    good as it gets:

    http://www.viarail.ca/sites/all/files/media/pdfs/menus/111135807-13_Menu >-Diner_SD15103_EN.pdf

    And when we used them Toronto to Montreal they'd run out of food; a ham sandwich (just the one!) was all that was available.

    --
    Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
    You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
    (please use the reply to address for email)

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  • From Steve Fitzgerald@21:1/5 to rail@greywall.demon.co.uk on Sun Jul 9 22:54:24 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    In message <ojla6h$7hg$3@dont-email.me>, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> writes

    Amtrak also stock some reasonable beers but somehow Stella has managed >>>> to brand itself in the US as sophisticated and upmarket as opposed to
    the choice of Flemish lager louts.


    In Canada it was Boddingtons!


    I've had draft Boddingtons in Michigan...


    I've seen it in New York but drank Brooklyn Brewery regardless.

    Which as I recall was rather palatable.
    --
    Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
    You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
    (please use the reply to address for email)

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  • From bob@21:1/5 to Steve Fitzgerald on Mon Jul 10 01:29:55 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    Steve Fitzgerald <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
    In message <ojgjnv$9s6$1@gal.iecc.com>, John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
    writes
    In Canada, the medium distance trains have sandwiches and tray meals,
    with an emphasis on Canadian ingredients, e.g. Montreal bagels and
    Niagara wine. The sleepers on the transcontinental Canadian are as
    good as it gets:

    http://www.viarail.ca/sites/all/files/media/pdfs/menus/111135807-13_Menu
    -Diner_SD15103_EN.pdf

    And when we used them Toronto to Montreal they'd run out of food; a ham sandwich (just the one!) was all that was available.

    Did they build a busway?

    Robin

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  • From Graeme Wall@21:1/5 to Steve Fitzgerald on Mon Jul 10 08:00:37 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    On 09/07/2017 22:54, Steve Fitzgerald wrote:
    In message <ojla6h$7hg$3@dont-email.me>, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> writes

    Amtrak also stock some reasonable beers but somehow Stella has managed >>>>> to brand itself in the US as sophisticated and upmarket as opposed to >>>>> the choice of Flemish lager louts.


    In Canada it was Boddingtons!


    I've had draft Boddingtons in Michigan...


    I've seen it in New York but drank Brooklyn Brewery regardless.

    Which as I recall was rather palatable.

    Certainly was.


    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.

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  • From Roland Perry@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 10 11:02:58 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    In message <0Xq4K+IjWqYZFAIY@g7kkh.me.uk>, at 22:52:35 on Sun, 9 Jul
    2017, Steve Fitzgerald <junk@[127.0.0.1]> remarked:

    In Canada, the medium distance trains have sandwiches and tray meals,
    with an emphasis on Canadian ingredients, e.g. Montreal bagels and
    Niagara wine. The sleepers on the transcontinental Canadian are as
    good as it gets:

    http://www.viarail.ca/sites/all/files/media/pdfs/menus/111135807-13_Menu >>-Diner_SD15103_EN.pdf

    And when we used them Toronto to Montreal they'd run out of food; a ham >sandwich (just the one!) was all that was available.

    The last time I travelled from Brussels to London on E* in Economy the bar-thingy had run out of food. All food. The train was sufficiently
    empty, and I buying sufficiently early in the trip, that I suspect
    they'd failed to stock it up at all.
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk@21:1/5 to Roland Perry on Mon Jul 10 15:49:18 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    On 10.07.17 11:02, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <0Xq4K+IjWqYZFAIY@g7kkh.me.uk>, at 22:52:35 on Sun, 9 Jul
    2017, Steve Fitzgerald <junk@[127.0.0.1]> remarked:

    In Canada, the medium distance trains have sandwiches and tray meals,
    with an emphasis on Canadian ingredients, e.g. Montreal bagels and
    Niagara wine. The sleepers on the transcontinental Canadian are as
    good as it gets:

    http://www.viarail.ca/sites/all/files/media/pdfs/menus/111135807-13_Menu >>> -Diner_SD15103_EN.pdf

    And when we used them Toronto to Montreal they'd run out of food; a
    ham sandwich (just the one!) was all that was available.

    The last time I travelled from Brussels to London on E* in Economy the bar-thingy had run out of food. All food. The train was sufficiently
    empty, and I buying sufficiently early in the trip, that I suspect
    they'd failed to stock it up at all.

    Why do they allow that to happen? Don't they take inventories? I would
    imagine that there must exist some pretty decent inventorising
    programmes that would indicate where and when such sundries need to go.

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  • From Ulf.Kutzner@web.de@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 10 07:58:07 2017
    Am Montag, 10. Juli 2017 16:49:19 UTC+2 schrieb houn...@yahoo.co.uk:

    The last time I travelled from Brussels to London on E* in Economy the bar-thingy had run out of food. All food. The train was sufficiently
    empty, and I buying sufficiently early in the trip, that I suspect
    they'd failed to stock it up at all.

    Why do they allow that to happen? Don't they take inventories? I would imagine that there must exist some pretty decent inventorising
    programmes that would indicate where and when such sundries need to go.

    Such things do happen also in German trains. Lack of time to refill.

    They do not accept lack of time for getting a train ticket.

    Regards, ULF

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  • From Martin Coffee@21:1/5 to Graeme Wall on Mon Jul 10 17:07:59 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    On 10/07/17 16:21, Graeme Wall wrote:
    On 10/07/2017 15:49, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
    On 10.07.17 11:02, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <0Xq4K+IjWqYZFAIY@g7kkh.me.uk>, at 22:52:35 on Sun, 9 Jul
    2017, Steve Fitzgerald <junk@[127.0.0.1]> remarked:

    In Canada, the medium distance trains have sandwiches and tray
    meals, with an emphasis on Canadian ingredients, e.g. Montreal
    bagels and Niagara wine. The sleepers on the transcontinental
    Canadian are as good as it gets:

    http://www.viarail.ca/sites/all/files/media/pdfs/menus/111135807-13_Menu >>>>>
    -Diner_SD15103_EN.pdf

    And when we used them Toronto to Montreal they'd run out of food; a
    ham sandwich (just the one!) was all that was available.

    The last time I travelled from Brussels to London on E* in Economy
    the bar-thingy had run out of food. All food. The train was
    sufficiently empty, and I buying sufficiently early in the trip, that
    I suspect they'd failed to stock it up at all.

    Why do they allow that to happen? Don't they take inventories? I would
    imagine that there must exist some pretty decent inventorising
    programmes that would indicate where and when such sundries need to go.

    I suspect they get stocked at London for the round trip.

    I've been on the ultimate or penultimate departure from Brussels a
    number of times and they were very often sold out or very low on food.
    My suspicion is that there is no replenishment facilities at Brussels
    station. I wonder if the replenishment facilities for the E*s are
    solely at the depots so they cannot be re-stocked during the day?

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  • From Graeme Wall@21:1/5 to hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk on Mon Jul 10 16:21:39 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    On 10/07/2017 15:49, hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
    On 10.07.17 11:02, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <0Xq4K+IjWqYZFAIY@g7kkh.me.uk>, at 22:52:35 on Sun, 9 Jul
    2017, Steve Fitzgerald <junk@[127.0.0.1]> remarked:

    In Canada, the medium distance trains have sandwiches and tray
    meals, with an emphasis on Canadian ingredients, e.g. Montreal
    bagels and Niagara wine. The sleepers on the transcontinental
    Canadian are as good as it gets:

    http://www.viarail.ca/sites/all/files/media/pdfs/menus/111135807-13_Menu >>>>
    -Diner_SD15103_EN.pdf

    And when we used them Toronto to Montreal they'd run out of food; a
    ham sandwich (just the one!) was all that was available.

    The last time I travelled from Brussels to London on E* in Economy the
    bar-thingy had run out of food. All food. The train was sufficiently
    empty, and I buying sufficiently early in the trip, that I suspect
    they'd failed to stock it up at all.

    Why do they allow that to happen? Don't they take inventories? I would imagine that there must exist some pretty decent inventorising
    programmes that would indicate where and when such sundries need to go.

    I suspect they get stocked at London for the round trip.

    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.

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  • From Roland Perry@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 10 17:01:38 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    In message <ok05qq$ukg$4@dont-email.me>, at 16:21:39 on Mon, 10 Jul
    2017, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:

    The last time I travelled from Brussels to London on E* in Economy
    the bar-thingy had run out of food. All food. The train was
    sufficiently empty, and I buying sufficiently early in the trip,
    that I suspect they'd failed to stock it up at all.

    Why do they allow that to happen? Don't they take inventories? I
    would imagine that there must exist some pretty decent inventorising >>programmes that would indicate where and when such sundries need to go.

    I suspect they get stocked at London for the round trip.

    Given that it's operated by SNCF, I'd expect the reverse.
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From Recliner@21:1/5 to Roland Perry on Mon Jul 10 16:27:07 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <ok05qq$ukg$4@dont-email.me>, at 16:21:39 on Mon, 10 Jul
    2017, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:

    The last time I travelled from Brussels to London on E* in Economy
    the bar-thingy had run out of food. All food. The train was
    sufficiently empty, and I buying sufficiently early in the trip,
    that I suspect they'd failed to stock it up at all.

    Why do they allow that to happen? Don't they take inventories? I
    would imagine that there must exist some pretty decent inventorising
    programmes that would indicate where and when such sundries need to go.

    I suspect they get stocked at London for the round trip.

    Given that it's operated by SNCF, I'd expect the reverse.

    Judging by the brands, the food on trains originating from St Pancras
    certainly seems to be UK-sourced. I'll be on a e* train from Paris in a
    couple of days and will see what brands arrive on my tray in Standard
    Premier.

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  • From Roland Perry@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 10 17:45:23 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    In message <1013026303.521396104.451136.recliner.ng-btinternet.com@news.eternal-sept ember.org>, at 16:27:07 on Mon, 10 Jul 2017, Recliner <recliner.ng@btinternet.com> remarked:
    The last time I travelled from Brussels to London on E* in Economy
    the bar-thingy had run out of food. All food. The train was
    sufficiently empty, and I buying sufficiently early in the trip,
    that I suspect they'd failed to stock it up at all.

    Why do they allow that to happen? Don't they take inventories? I
    would imagine that there must exist some pretty decent inventorising
    programmes that would indicate where and when such sundries need to go. >>>
    I suspect they get stocked at London for the round trip.

    Given that it's operated by SNCF, I'd expect the reverse.

    Judging by the brands, the food on trains originating from St Pancras >certainly seems to be UK-sourced. I'll be on a e* train from Paris in a >couple of days and will see what brands arrive on my tray in Standard >Premier.

    I was in economy.
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    Roland Perry

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  • From Roland Perry@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 10 17:52:25 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    In message <ok08p0$4h5$1@adenine.netfront.net>, at 17:07:59 on Mon, 10
    Jul 2017, Martin Coffee <martin.coffee.2521@mail.com> remarked:

    I've been on the ultimate or penultimate departure from Brussels a
    number of times and they were very often sold out or very low on food.
    My suspicion is that there is no replenishment facilities at Brussels >station. I wonder if the replenishment facilities for the E*s are
    solely at the depots so they cannot be re-stocked during the day?

    I know they do replenish some of the food (maybe only the Premier stuff
    bundled with the fare) at St Pancras because they have the unfortunate
    habit of parking the delivery trollies so as to maximally obstruct the
    platform for inbound passengers trying to get along the platform having
    just got off the train.
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    Roland Perry

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  • From Graeme Wall@21:1/5 to Roland Perry on Mon Jul 10 18:05:29 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    On 10/07/2017 17:52, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <ok08p0$4h5$1@adenine.netfront.net>, at 17:07:59 on Mon, 10
    Jul 2017, Martin Coffee <martin.coffee.2521@mail.com> remarked:

    I've been on the ultimate or penultimate departure from Brussels a
    number of times and they were very often sold out or very low on food.
    My suspicion is that there is no replenishment facilities at Brussels
    station. I wonder if the replenishment facilities for the E*s are
    solely at the depots so they cannot be re-stocked during the day?

    I know they do replenish some of the food (maybe only the Premier stuff bundled with the fare) at St Pancras because they have the unfortunate
    habit of parking the delivery trollies so as to maximally obstruct the platform for inbound passengers trying to get along the platform having
    just got off the train.

    Thinking about it, St Pancras is the only place I have seen E* catering trolleys.

    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.

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  • From Graeme Wall@21:1/5 to Roland Perry on Mon Jul 10 18:03:17 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    On 10/07/2017 17:01, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <ok05qq$ukg$4@dont-email.me>, at 16:21:39 on Mon, 10 Jul
    2017, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:

    The last time I travelled from Brussels to London on E* in Economy
    the bar-thingy had run out of food. All food. The train was
    sufficiently empty, and I buying sufficiently early in the trip,
    that I suspect they'd failed to stock it up at all.

    Why do they allow that to happen? Don't they take inventories? I
    would imagine that there must exist some pretty decent inventorising
    programmes that would indicate where and when such sundries need to go.

    I suspect they get stocked at London for the round trip.

    Given that it's operated by SNCF, I'd expect the reverse.

    Brussels is not in France so no different for SNCF. London is the
    common terminal for all E* services so actually makes sense to base
    their catering services there.

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    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.

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  • From Recliner@21:1/5 to Roland Perry on Wed Jul 12 18:03:44 2017
    XPost: uk.railway

    Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
    In message <ok08p0$4h5$1@adenine.netfront.net>, at 17:07:59 on Mon, 10
    Jul 2017, Martin Coffee <martin.coffee.2521@mail.com> remarked:

    I've been on the ultimate or penultimate departure from Brussels a
    number of times and they were very often sold out or very low on food.
    My suspicion is that there is no replenishment facilities at Brussels
    station. I wonder if the replenishment facilities for the E*s are
    solely at the depots so they cannot be re-stocked during the day?

    I know they do replenish some of the food (maybe only the Premier stuff bundled with the fare) at St Pancras because they have the unfortunate
    habit of parking the delivery trollies so as to maximally obstruct the platform for inbound passengers trying to get along the platform having
    just got off the train.

    I'm posting this on a refurbished e300, using the free WiFi, from deep
    under the Chunnel, on a service from GdN to SPI. I can confirm that all the branded goods on my tray (not just the wines) were French.

    As an aside, this is my first trip on a refurbished e300, and very nice it
    is too. It looks new, and is of course much smoother and quieter than the
    rough riding e320 Velaros.

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