• Re: Sud Express

    From Ulf Kutzner@21:1/5 to P.L.Guillemin on Tue Jan 11 10:01:23 2022
    P.L.Guillemin schrieb am Dienstag, 24. Februar 2004 um 14:50:38 UTC+1:
    Ulf Kutzner <kutz...@mail.zdv.uni-mainz.de> a écrit dans le message : 403B3FC9...@mail.zdv.uni-mainz.de...
    "P.L.Guillemin" schrieb:
    [Golden Age and Decadence of the "Sud-Express"]
    In the late-80s, that Train could have up to 20 cars South of Hendaye,

    Or could be split in one Irún - Porto and one Irún - Lisboa.
    including 8 French couchette cars and 4 Car Transporters, both mounted
    interchangeable bogies...

    North of Hendaye, the French Train was also quite long, and also
    through cars between Paris and Vigo/Alicante,

    I have seen a through car to Alicante but never found it in the
    timetables. Could have attracted too many passengers.
    IIRC, it was faster via Portbou, using R473-472 "Paris-Côte Vermeille" (or Ex 1111-1110 running at peaks + Talgo 463-460 "Mare Nostrum" (or Diurno 1473-1470 "Valencia Expreso" Portbou-Alicante and vv.)
    and also a few to Santiago,
    depending on pilgrim's demand.

    But not published for normal travelers?
    These cars only ran on a chartered basis AFAIK
    A very high
    percentage of passengers seemed to were Interrailers like me....

    Which is all but a sign of long-term sustainability South of the

    How much money RENFE gets from an interrailer on Irún - Fuentes de
    Not very much, I m afraid. That's why so many Estrella Trains only have seated-accommodation in Preferente class. While this is priced at a reduced rate, the fact that it is yet 1st-class acts as a bar against Interrailers. Anyway, now that all B11x-10200 cars are gone (either rebuilt into Arco
    cars, or scrapped or sold to EFE), it's too late.
    The Costa Brava which I lately spotted in Portbou was in such poor condition that I would think twice before taking this train (save for cabotage in Catalonia). Even Gran Clase WL26x cars now repellent

    Conversion into a Talgo train is unlikely to happen if this train
    barred North of Hendaye, as revenue would remain too weak to fund the
    rolling-stock. Loadings are reported to be low save in Summer

    So, there might have been more cars last summer and there will be this year?
    Estrella services now run with very reduced formations, some of them
    devoid of any catering facilities, which had always been very uncommon


    204-205 "Costa Vasca"

    Irun-Madrid: A12tv-12000+Bc10x-9600+WL26x (3 cars)

    But again should be more in summer.
    In Spain, conventional fleet is now very meager:

    Arco cars (Class 2000) (ex B11x-10200):
    A9t-2000: 10
    B10t-2200: 21
    BR3t-2800: 10

    Diurno cars:
    B10t-9300: 15
    Estrella cars
    A12t-9000: 5 (Ex-Diurno)
    A9t-9100: 5 (Ex-Diurno)
    A12tv-12000: 5 (Ex-Diurno)
    A10x-10000: 18
    A8lv-10500: 4 (sleeperettes)
    Bc10x-9600: 30
    Bc10x-10600: 10
    WL26x-7100: 36
    BR3t-9820: 2 (Ex Diurno)
    BR4x-10800: 8
    WR-9900: 3
    WL36x-5400 (T2), AR7t-9750, B11t-9200, BR4t-9800 and B11x-10200 are all
    There is only a very limited amount of spare Bc10x-9600 and B10t-9300 to increase core formations, and such spare cars usually decay on sidings...

    In Portugal, CP now plans to withdraw all its antiquated Stainless-steel Soferame cars rather soon. Alfa Pendular sets are to displace newly-refurbished Corail cars (delivered in 1987-88) and IC (rebuilt
    Soferame cars).

    CP now bought 5 (five) Corail Bc10x cars from RENFE, not many
    for running a daily service.

    Regards, ULF

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