On 26/05/2019 11:39, Ulf.Kutzner@web.de wrote:
Hello,
see https://railturkey.org/2019/05/25/plovdiv-edirne-train-to-start/
Regards, ULF
I also saw that Baku-Tbilisi-Kars is due to start carrying passengers in August.
It makes me wonder why the Baltic States and EU are investing very large
sums into the construction of Rail Baltica. Would it not be easier and
more economical, to rebuild and expand existing infrastructure and allow
for variable-gauge axles, rather than build an entirely separate network?
Hello,
see https://railturkey.org/2019/05/25/plovdiv-edirne-train-to-start/
Regards, ULF
hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 26/05/2019 11:39, Ulf.Kutzner@web.de wrote:
Hello,
see https://railturkey.org/2019/05/25/plovdiv-edirne-train-to-start/
Regards, ULF
I also saw that Baku-Tbilisi-Kars is due to start carrying passengers in
August.
It makes me wonder why the Baltic States and EU are investing very large
sums into the construction of Rail Baltica. Would it not be easier and
more economical, to rebuild and expand existing infrastructure and allow
for variable-gauge axles, rather than build an entirely separate network?
I thought the problem with the Baltic states' railways was that their networks radiated from St Petersburg, rather than having north-south links
to Poland?
It makes me wonder why the Baltic States and EU are investing very large
sums into the construction of Rail Baltica. Would it not be easier and
more economical, to rebuild and expand existing infrastructure and allow
for variable-gauge axles,
rather than build an entirely separate network?
On 27/05/2019 23:00, Recliner wrote:
I thought the problem with the Baltic states' railways was that their networks radiated from St Petersburg, rather than having north-south links to Poland?
They do, but they also have a north-south connection.
There used to be the Baltic Express,
which ran from Tallinn to Warsaw
with a change at Šeštokai.
AIUI, there was a second connection between Poland and Lithuania, which required the use of a variable-gauge axle. I don't know if the now-standard-gauge line on the Lithuanian side was that.
AIAUI, each of the lines into Lithuania are single-track,
and that is
where real work needs to occurr.
It makes me wonder why the Baltic States and EU are investing very large
sums into the construction of Rail Baltica. Would it not be easier and
more economical, to rebuild and expand existing infrastructure and allow
for variable-gauge axles, rather than build an entirely separate network?
Am Dienstag, 28. Mai 2019 01:44:58 UTC+2 schrieb houn...@yahoo.co.uk:
On 27/05/2019 23:00, Recliner wrote:
I thought the problem with the Baltic states' railways was that theirThey do, but they also have a north-south connection.
networks radiated from St Petersburg, rather than having north-south links >>> to Poland?
Which was not used for public passenger service during Siviet times.
There used to be the Baltic Express,
That was Balti. https://www.russianrail.com/train-tallinn-st-petersburg-moscow.html
AIUI, there was a second connection between Poland and Lithuania, which
required the use of a variable-gauge axle. I don't know if the
now-standard-gauge line on the Lithuanian side was that.
AIAUI, each of the lines into Lithuania are single-track,
Don't think so. Gudogay to Chernyahovsk is shown as
double track on https://www.parovoz.com/maps/supermap/supermap-small.png
(a bit outdated).
hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk <hounslow3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On 26/05/2019 11:39, Ulf.Kutzner@web.de wrote:
Hello,
see https://railturkey.org/2019/05/25/plovdiv-edirne-train-to-start/
Regards, ULF
I also saw that Baku-Tbilisi-Kars is due to start carrying passengers in
August.
It makes me wonder why the Baltic States and EU are investing very large
sums into the construction of Rail Baltica. Would it not be easier and
more economical, to rebuild and expand existing infrastructure and allow
for variable-gauge axles, rather than build an entirely separate network?
I thought the problem with the Baltic states' railways was that their networks radiated from St Petersburg, rather than having north-south links
to Poland?
Lithuania shares no border with mainland Russia.
I thought the problem with the Baltic states' railways was that theirThey do, but they also have a north-south connection.
networks radiated from St Petersburg, rather than having north-south links
to Poland?
Which was not used for public passenger service during Siviet times.
So, during the Soviet occupation, there was no direct rail service
between Tallinn and Riga as well as between Riga and Vilnius?
There used to be the Baltic Express,
That was Balti. https://www.russianrail.com/train-tallinn-st-petersburg-moscow.html
Are you referring EVR's GO train, which runs between Tallinn and St. Petersburg/Moscow?
There was also a Baltic Express train, which ran from Tallinn to Warsaw
in about 1993, requiring a transfer to a standard-gauge, PKP train at Šeštokai.
Am Mittwoch, 29. Mai 2019 02:10:15 UTC+2 schrieb houn...@yahoo.co.uk:
I thought the problem with the Baltic states' railways was that their >>>>> networks radiated from St Petersburg, rather than having north-south linksThey do, but they also have a north-south connection.
to Poland?
Which was not used for public passenger service during Siviet times.
So, during the Soviet occupation, there was no direct rail service
between Tallinn and Riga as well as between Riga and Vilnius?
Which of them used "north-south links to Poland"?
Well, the Tallin - Riga - Vilnius - Grodno - Warsaw service
used a north-south link to Poland but the one one the
Piter - Daugavpils - Warsaw line.
There used to be the Baltic Express,
That was Balti. https://www.russianrail.com/train-tallinn-st-petersburg-moscow.html
Are you referring EVR's GO train, which runs between Tallinn and St.
Petersburg/Moscow?
There was also a Baltic Express train, which ran from Tallinn to Warsaw
in about 1993, requiring a transfer to a standard-gauge, PKP train at
Šeštokai.
IIRC, it was Balti without 'c'.
Am Donnerstag, 30. Mai 2019 16:13:28 UTC+2 schrieb houn...@yahoo.co.uk:
I thought the problem with the Baltic states' railways was that their >>>>>>> networks radiated from St Petersburg, rather than having north-south linksThey do, but they also have a north-south connection.
to Poland?
Which was not used for public passenger service during Siviet times.
So, during the Soviet occupation, there was no direct rail service
between Tallinn and Riga as well as between Riga and Vilnius?
Which of them used "north-south links to Poland"?
I wasn't talking about links to Poland when the Baltic States were under
Soviet occupation, but rather asking about passenger rail between
Vilnius-Riga-Tallinn in that time.
Well, the Tallin - Riga - Vilnius - Grodno - Warsaw service
used a north-south link to Poland but the one one the
Piter - Daugavpils - Warsaw line.
Did you find an answer?
I thought the problem with the Baltic states' railways was that their >>>>> networks radiated from St Petersburg, rather than having north-south linksThey do, but they also have a north-south connection.
to Poland?
Which was not used for public passenger service during Siviet times.
So, during the Soviet occupation, there was no direct rail service
between Tallinn and Riga as well as between Riga and Vilnius?
Which of them used "north-south links to Poland"?
I wasn't talking about links to Poland when the Baltic States were under Soviet occupation, but rather asking about passenger rail between Vilnius-Riga-Tallinn in that time.
Well, the Tallin - Riga - Vilnius - Grodno - Warsaw service
used a north-south link to Poland but the one one the
Piter - Daugavpils - Warsaw line.
So, during the Soviet occupation, there was no direct rail serviceI thought the problem with the Baltic states' railways was that their >>>>>>> networks radiated from St Petersburg, rather than having north-south linksThey do, but they also have a north-south connection.
to Poland?
Which was not used for public passenger service during Siviet times. >>>>
between Tallinn and Riga as well as between Riga and Vilnius?
Which of them used "north-south links to Poland"?
I wasn't talking about links to Poland when the Baltic States were under >> Soviet occupation, but rather asking about passenger rail between
Vilnius-Riga-Tallinn in that time.
Well, the Tallin - Riga - Vilnius - Grodno - Warsaw service
used a north-south link to Poland but the one one the
Piter - Daugavpils - Warsaw line.
Did you find an answer?
About passenger rail connections between Vilnius-Riga-Tallinn? I did not.
Am Donnerstag, 30. Mai 2019 16:23:39 UTC+2 schrieb houn...@yahoo.co.uk:
So, during the Soviet occupation, there was no direct rail service >>>>>> between Tallinn and Riga as well as between Riga and Vilnius?I thought the problem with the Baltic states' railways was that their >>>>>>>>> networks radiated from St Petersburg, rather than having north-south linksThey do, but they also have a north-south connection.
to Poland?
Which was not used for public passenger service during Siviet times. >>>>>>
Which of them used "north-south links to Poland"?
I wasn't talking about links to Poland when the Baltic States were under >>>> Soviet occupation, but rather asking about passenger rail between
Vilnius-Riga-Tallinn in that time.
Well, the Tallin - Riga - Vilnius - Grodno - Warsaw service
used a north-south link to Poland but the one one the
Piter - Daugavpils - Warsaw line.
Did you find an answer?
About passenger rail connections between Vilnius-Riga-Tallinn? I did not.
Big problem for you if it was Warsaw - Vilnius - Riga - Tallinn?
see https://railturkey.org/2019/05/25/plovdiv-edirne-train-to-start/
Does Rail Baltica actually make much sense as a transport project,
rather than a geopolitical one? If I lived there I'd probably want to
know that flat wagons carrying heavy loads from NATO depots could arrive quickly rather than get stuck at a break of gauge, but is there much passenger and freight demand for normal services?
see https://railturkey.org/2019/05/25/plovdiv-edirne-train-to-start/
Am Sonntag, 26. Mai 2019 12:39:20 UTC+2 schrieb ulf.k...@web.de:
see https://railturkey.org/2019/05/25/plovdiv-edirne-train-to-start/
Now they say on June 1st, 2nd were test runs,
they are waiting for introducing Sofia <-> Edirne.
Looks like the trains already have been discontinued before last weekend. http://www.bdz.bg/bg/novini/izgotviat-se-varianti-vlakut-do-odrin-da-trugva-ot-sofiia.html
Regards, ULF
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