• First time getting a K1-1041

    From ""Retired"@home.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 8 23:18:34 2021
    Never have dealt with a K1 before. Just now received one due to final
    sale of property in my mother's estate.

    After holding onto the vacant lot for 14 years, the executor final sold
    it. Apparently the sale generated a $12,000 loss. The K1 shows the
    $12,000 in box 11 with code D (Long Term Loss) and $24 in Box 11 code B
    (Excess Deduction)

    What reading up I've done seems to say I can take up to $3,000 loss
    against other Cap Gains, and carryover the remainder.

    Also looked at my favorite online Free File website FAQs, and it looks
    like they can handle this OK next year.

    Am I understanding this correctly ? I'm not clear on what or where the
    $24 comes in.

    TIA

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  • From JoeTaxpayer@21:1/5 to ""Retired"@home.com on Mon May 10 10:47:05 2021
    On 5/8/21 11:18 PM, "\"Retired"@home.com wrote:
    Never have dealt with a K1 before. Just now received one due to final
    sale of property in my mother's estate.

    After holding onto the vacant lot for 14 years, the executor final sold
    it. Apparently the sale generated a $12,000 loss. The K1 shows the
    $12,000 in box 11 with code D (Long Term Loss) and $24 in Box 11 code B (Excess Deduction)

    What reading up I've done seems to say I can take up to $3,000 loss
    against other Cap Gains, and carryover the remainder.

    Also looked at my favorite online Free File website FAQs, and it looks
    like they can handle this OK next year.

    Am I understanding this correctly ?  I'm not clear on what or where the
    $24 comes in.

    I believe the K1 results in the same effect as a long term capital loss
    you'd incur.

    Unlimited offset of your year's capital gains, then $3000 against
    ordinary income.

    Given the software you use can handle this, just enter a mock return. I
    do this for planning all the time. It will confirm my answer, and also
    might help you with tax planning for this year, e.g. you might wish to
    take some gains, or just prefer to offset income at your marginal rate.

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  • From JoeTaxpayer@21:1/5 to JoeTaxpayer on Wed May 12 07:08:28 2021
    On 5/10/21 10:47 AM, JoeTaxpayer wrote:
    On 5/8/21 11:18 PM, "\"Retired"@home.com wrote:
    Never have dealt with a K1 before. Just now received one due to final
    sale of property in my mother's estate.

    After holding onto the vacant lot for 14 years, the executor final
    sold it. Apparently the sale generated a $12,000 loss. The K1 shows
    the $12,000 in box 11 with code D (Long Term Loss) and $24 in Box 11
    code B (Excess Deduction)

    What reading up I've done seems to say I can take up to $3,000 loss
    against other Cap Gains, and carryover the remainder.

    Also looked at my favorite online Free File website FAQs, and it looks
    like they can handle this OK next year.

    Am I understanding this correctly ?  I'm not clear on what or where
    the $24 comes in.

    I believe the K1 results in the same effect as a long term capital loss
    you'd incur.

    Unlimited offset of your year's capital gains, then $3000 against
    ordinary income.

    Given the software you use can handle this, just enter a mock return. I
    do this for planning all the time. It will confirm my answer, and also
    might help you with tax planning for this year, e.g. you might wish to
    take some gains, or just prefer to offset income at your marginal rate.


    Follow up - when I'm even the slightest bit hesitant, I tend to seek a
    100% accurate answer to share. I did the test return myself. Disclosure
    - I've handled a K1 for over 20 years, myself, but never produced a
    loss. The K1 will always reflect distributed dividends, and actual cap
    gains.

    In this case, I entered the $12,000 loss and confirm it did what I
    initially answered, offsets gains, and if not used up (offsetting $12K
    of gain) it can then offset $3000 of ordinary income. Anything more will
    carry to next year. The $24 is an itemized deduction you need to
    manually enter as such. The K1 form itself doesn't quite show the
    details I'm sharing. It's the entry form on the tax software itself.

    https://i.stack.imgur.com/Ke9Xl.jpg

    vs the form itself https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1041sk1.pdf

    This shows what I'm saying about the $24. If you don't itemize, just
    enter it there, but ignore it, no harm, no foul.

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  • From ""Retired"@home.com@21:1/5 to JoeTaxpayer on Wed May 12 15:36:06 2021
    On 5/12/21 7:08 AM, JoeTaxpayer wrote:
    On 5/10/21 10:47 AM, JoeTaxpayer wrote:
    On 5/8/21 11:18 PM, "\"Retired"@home.com wrote:
    Never have dealt with a K1 before. Just now received one due to final
    sale of property in my mother's estate.

    After holding onto the vacant lot for 14 years, the executor final
    sold it. Apparently the sale generated a $12,000 loss. The K1 shows
    the $12,000 in box 11 with code D (Long Term Loss) and $24 in Box 11
    code B (Excess Deduction)

    What reading up I've done seems to say I can take up to $3,000 loss
    against other Cap Gains, and carryover the remainder.

    Also looked at my favorite online Free File website FAQs, and it
    looks like they can handle this OK next year.

    Am I understanding this correctly ?  I'm not clear on what or where
    the $24 comes in.

    I believe the K1 results in the same effect as a long term capital
    loss you'd incur.

    Unlimited offset of your year's capital gains, then $3000 against
    ordinary income.

    Given the software you use can handle this, just enter a mock return.
    I do this for planning all the time. It will confirm my answer, and
    also might help you with tax planning for this year, e.g. you might
    wish to take some gains, or just prefer to offset income at your
    marginal rate.


    Follow up - when I'm even the slightest bit hesitant, I tend to seek a
    100% accurate answer to share. I did the test return myself. Disclosure
    - I've handled a K1 for over 20 years, myself, but never produced a
    loss. The K1 will always reflect distributed dividends, and actual cap
    gains.

    In this case, I entered the $12,000 loss and confirm it did what I
    initially answered, offsets gains, and if not used up (offsetting $12K
    of gain) it can then offset $3000 of ordinary income. Anything more will carry to next year. The $24 is an itemized deduction you need to
    manually enter as such. The K1 form itself doesn't quite show the
    details I'm sharing. It's the entry form on the tax software itself.

    https://i.stack.imgur.com/Ke9Xl.jpg

    vs the form itself https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1041sk1.pdf

    This shows what I'm saying about the $24. If you don't itemize, just
    enter it there, but ignore it, no harm, no foul.


    Thanks for the replies and info. I plugged the -12000 into a 1040
    what-if, and I saw that it reduced ordinary income by the $3000, and
    reduced the final tax on the QD&CG worksheet. Nice.

    I am assuming that I will be able to do the deduction for 4 tax years,
    reducing the amount by $3000 each year. And my Free File and the IRS
    will track same.

    Thanks again.

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