• Like-Kind Exchange

    From Not A Clue@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 31 17:34:41 2021
    Some foreign stocks trades on the OTC under 2 symbols. e.g. BYDDF and BYDDY are both for BYD Company Ltd. The differences between the two symbols are (1) one is an ADR and the other is for shares on the local market; and (2) the ADR version represents
    2 local shares and generally trades at approx. twice the price.

    Question: Let's say I own the ADR symbol; can I sell that (at a gain) and buy back the local-share symbol and defer the gain?

    If NO, then ignore the balance of this post.

    If yes, a further question is: IF I sell, say 500 of the ADR share and buy back 800 of the local-share (=400 ADR shares); do I recognize gains on 100 ADR shares and defer gains on the other 400 ADR shares? If yes, the recognized gains would be 20% of
    the total gains

    TIA

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  • From ira smilovitz@21:1/5 to Not A Clue on Fri Dec 31 19:52:43 2021
    On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 5:37:30 PM UTC-5, Not A Clue wrote:
    Some foreign stocks trades on the OTC under 2 symbols. e.g. BYDDF and BYDDY are both for BYD Company Ltd. The differences between the two symbols are (1) one is an ADR and the other is for shares on the local market; and (2) the ADR version represents
    2 local shares and generally trades at approx. twice the price.

    Question: Let's say I own the ADR symbol; can I sell that (at a gain) and buy back the local-share symbol and defer the gain?

    If NO, then ignore the balance of this post.

    If yes, a further question is: IF I sell, say 500 of the ADR share and buy back 800 of the local-share (=400 ADR shares); do I recognize gains on 100 ADR shares and defer gains on the other 400 ADR shares? If yes, the recognized gains would be 20% of
    the total gains

    TIA

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    No. Like kind exchanges (§1031) can only be done with real estate.

    Ira Smilovitz, EA
    Leonia, NJ

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  • From JoeTaxpayer@21:1/5 to ira smilovitz on Sun Jan 2 16:31:20 2022
    On 12/31/21 7:52 PM, ira smilovitz wrote:
    On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 5:37:30 PM UTC-5, Not A Clue wrote:
    Some foreign stocks trades on the OTC under 2 symbols. e.g. BYDDF and BYDDY are both for BYD Company Ltd. The differences between the two symbols are (1) one is an ADR and the other is for shares on the local market; and (2) the ADR version represents
    2 local shares and generally trades at approx. twice the price.

    Question: Let's say I own the ADR symbol; can I sell that (at a gain) and buy back the local-share symbol and defer the gain?

    If NO, then ignore the balance of this post.

    If yes, a further question is: IF I sell, say 500 of the ADR share and buy back 800 of the local-share (=400 ADR shares); do I recognize gains on 100 ADR shares and defer gains on the other 400 ADR shares? If yes, the recognized gains would be 20% of
    the total gains

    TIA

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    No. Like kind exchanges (§1031) can only be done with real estate.

    Ira Smilovitz, EA
    Leonia, NJ


    Agreed. I do know there are swaps of Mutual funds, different classes of
    the same fund for owners with a certain threshold of investment. A non
    taxable event to swap.
    I am wondering if there are times an ADR swap has the same tax effect.

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  • From ira smilovitz@21:1/5 to joetaxpayer on Mon Jan 3 00:03:07 2022
    On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 4:34:33 PM UTC-5, joetaxpayer wrote:
    On 12/31/21 7:52 PM, ira smilovitz wrote:
    On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 5:37:30 PM UTC-5, Not A Clue wrote:
    Some foreign stocks trades on the OTC under 2 symbols. e.g. BYDDF and BYDDY are both for BYD Company Ltd. The differences between the two symbols are (1) one is an ADR and the other is for shares on the local market; and (2) the ADR version
    represents 2 local shares and generally trades at approx. twice the price.

    Question: Let's say I own the ADR symbol; can I sell that (at a gain) and buy back the local-share symbol and defer the gain?

    If NO, then ignore the balance of this post.

    If yes, a further question is: IF I sell, say 500 of the ADR share and buy back 800 of the local-share (=400 ADR shares); do I recognize gains on 100 ADR shares and defer gains on the other 400 ADR shares? If yes, the recognized gains would be 20%
    of the total gains

    TIA

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    No. Like kind exchanges (§1031) can only be done with real estate.

    Ira Smilovitz, EA
    Leonia, NJ

    Agreed. I do know there are swaps of Mutual funds, different classes of
    the same fund for owners with a certain threshold of investment. A non taxable event to swap.
    I am wondering if there are times an ADR swap has the same tax effect.
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    Different classes of mutual funds aren't swaps or exchanges. You still own the same mutual fund, with the same holdings, - the only difference is that the sponsor adjusts the fees it charges you.

    Ira Smilovitz, EA
    Leonia, NJ

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to ira.smilovitz@gmail.com on Mon Jan 3 15:08:32 2022
    It appears that ira smilovitz <ira.smilovitz@gmail.com> said:
    Different classes of mutual funds aren't swaps or exchanges. You still own the same mutual fund, with the same holdings, - the only difference is that the sponsor adjusts the fees it charges you.

    It's a little more complicated than that. Some Vanguard funds are both conventional funds and ETFs, and they will let you do a one-time
    conversion of fund shares into ETFs, also tax free. I presume it's
    because they're still a claim on the same bundle of assets.

    Funky Tax quirk: most mutual funds do a taxable distribution of realized capital gains at tne end of each year, but someone noticed that those
    Vanguard funds don't.

    ETFs work by a system in which wholesale stock brokers pretentiously
    known as Authorized Participants can exchange large blocks of ETF
    shares for the equivalent bundle of the stocks or bonds that the fund
    holds and vice versa. The APs arbitrage the ETF shares against the
    fund assets to keep the ETF price the same as the asset value. Mutual
    funds have always been allowed to redeem in kind which is treated as
    an exchange so it's tax free. This means that an ETF has no capital
    gains and your ETF shares are like any other shares, you pay tax only
    when you sell them. This also means that ETFs need keep no cash
    reserve since they never have to redeem shares for cash.

    For the Vanguard funds that have both regular and ETF shares, Vanguard
    and some friendly APs arranged to exchange out all the assets they
    would otherwise had to sell and exchange in what they would have had
    to buy, all without realizing any capital gains. At the moment no
    other fund manager does this since Vanguard has a patent on adding ETF
    shares to a conventional fund, but when the patent expires in a few
    years I expect they'll all do it.

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    Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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