• Qualified fuel cell property (form 5695 line 8)

    From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 23 18:07:08 2021
    This year, I added a storage battery to my existing solar roof panels.
    The solar battery company have listed broken the cost down into an
    eligible and a non-eligible portion, which are the battery itself and
    the installation and administration costs. They are saying that only
    the battery qualifies for the tax credit, and not the other part of
    the project cost. I believe they're wrong, and the entire cost
    qualifies, but I would like to verify that with the good folks here.

    The instructions for line 8 say "Enter THE AMOUNTS YOU PAID for
    qualified fuel cell property. See Qualified fuel cell property costs,
    earlier." [emphasis added]

    Qualified fuel cell property costs says "Qualified fuel cell property
    costs are costs for qualified fuel cell property installed on or in
    connection with your main home located in the United States.
    Qualified fuel cell property is an integrated system comprised of
    a fuel cell stack assembly and associated balance of plant
    components that converts a fuel into electricity using
    electrochemical means. To qualify for the credit, the fuel cell
    property must have a nameplate capacity of at least one-half
    kilowatt of electricity using an electrochemical process and an electricity-only generation efficiency greater than 30%."

    My installation meets those criteria, and I see nothing about only the
    cost of the bare battery being eligible for the 26% tax credit.

    Am I missing something, or do I enter the total cost to me on line 8?

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  • From Taxed and Spent@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Tue Nov 23 22:16:06 2021
    On 11/23/2021 3:07 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
    This year, I added a storage battery to my existing solar roof panels.
    The solar battery company have listed broken the cost down into an
    eligible and a non-eligible portion, which are the battery itself and
    the installation and administration costs. They are saying that only
    the battery qualifies for the tax credit, and not the other part of
    the project cost. I believe they're wrong, and the entire cost
    qualifies, but I would like to verify that with the good folks here.

    The instructions for line 8 say "Enter THE AMOUNTS YOU PAID for
    qualified fuel cell property. See Qualified fuel cell property costs, earlier." [emphasis added]

    Qualified fuel cell property costs says "Qualified fuel cell property
    costs are costs for qualified fuel cell property installed on or in connection with your main home located in the United States.
    Qualified fuel cell property is an integrated system comprised of
    a fuel cell stack assembly and associated balance of plant
    components that converts a fuel into electricity using
    electrochemical means. To qualify for the credit, the fuel cell
    property must have a nameplate capacity of at least one-half
    kilowatt of electricity using an electrochemical process and an electricity-only generation efficiency greater than 30%."

    My installation meets those criteria, and I see nothing about only the
    cost of the bare battery being eligible for the 26% tax credit.

    Am I missing something, or do I enter the total cost to me on line 8?




    How does a solar panel and a battery fit the definition of a fuel cell?
    They are different technologies. Maybe you are referring to the wrong
    tax incentive program.

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to Taxed and Spent on Wed Nov 24 10:13:24 2021
    On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 22:16:06 EST, Taxed and Spent wrote:

    How does a solar panel and a battery fit the definition of a fuel cell?
    They are different technologies. Maybe you are referring to the wrong
    tax incentive program.

    You make a good point. So I need to expand my question:

    Solar panels were on the roof when I bought the house. I had the
    battery installed this year. The battery charges when the sun is
    shining, and any excess electricity from the panels is sent out on
    the grid. When the sun is not shining, the house uses electricity
    from the battery and not from the grid. (In theory, if the battery is
    exhausted then I take electricity from the grid, but that has not
    happened since the battery was installed and is unlikely to happen in
    the future, based on my usage patterns.)

    So where on form 5695 do I report the purchase of the battery so as
    to claim my 26% credit? Or is it a different form? Or did the solar
    company lie to me, and adding a storage battery to an existing solar
    system doesn't qualify for a tax credit?

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 24 10:14:00 2021
    I think I answered my own question.

    It appears the IRS considers a battery ("energy storage device") to
    be solar equipment if the battery derives 100% of its charge from
    solar cells, which mine does, and even if it is a retrofit installed
    in a later year than the solar cells, as mine is.

    https://www.energy.gov/eere/solar/homeowners-guide-federal-tax- credit-solar-photovoltaics

    So that would be line 1 of form 5695.

    This article summarizes and links to the relevant revenue letters:

    https://www.taxequitytimes.com/2018/03/residential-solar-storage- eligible-tax-credit-subject-100-cliff/

    "... the IRS ruled that the battery is considered to be property
    which uses solar energy to generate electricity and is, therefore,
    eligible for the Residential Solar Credit."

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  • From Taxed and Spent@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Thu Nov 25 10:42:44 2021
    On 11/24/2021 7:14 AM, Stan Brown wrote:

    I think I answered my own question.

    It appears the IRS considers a battery ("energy storage device") to
    be solar equipment if the battery derives 100% of its charge from
    solar cells, which mine does, and even if it is a retrofit installed
    in a later year than the solar cells, as mine is.

    https://www.energy.gov/eere/solar/homeowners-guide-federal-tax- credit-solar-photovoltaics

    So that would be line 1 of form 5695.

    This article summarizes and links to the relevant revenue letters:

    https://www.taxequitytimes.com/2018/03/residential-solar-storage- eligible-tax-credit-subject-100-cliff/

    "... the IRS ruled that the battery is considered to be property
    which uses solar energy to generate electricity and is, therefore,
    eligible for the Residential Solar Credit."



    You made me look at the form and instructions. Yes, I concur with line 1.

    Thanks for posting the links for future reference.

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