• 1099-K for Family Transactions

    From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 11 15:00:24 2021
    A person owns a vacation home. He doesn't rent it out and doesn't try
    to make money on it. But he does let family members use it when he
    isn't. The family members pay him a small amount to defer his out of
    pocket costs. These payments are made through Venmo.

    Now that Venmo will be sending out 1099-K, what is the best way for him
    to handle this? I guess he could handle it like a hobby, and show the
    payments as income, offset by expenses. But is there a better way?

    Thanks for any insight you can give.

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  • From ira smilovitz@21:1/5 to Stuart O. Bronstein on Mon Oct 11 15:48:01 2021
    On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 3:04:03 PM UTC-4, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    A person owns a vacation home. He doesn't rent it out and doesn't try
    to make money on it. But he does let family members use it when he
    isn't. The family members pay him a small amount to defer his out of
    pocket costs. These payments are made through Venmo.

    Now that Venmo will be sending out 1099-K, what is the best way for him
    to handle this? I guess he could handle it like a hobby, and show the payments as income, offset by expenses. But is there a better way?

    Thanks for any insight you can give.

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    http://DownToEarthLawyer.com

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    If it isn't income, it shouldn't be reported. There will be lots of problems with 1099-K reports next year. We'll have to see how things play out. Personally, I expect that the $600 reporting threshhold will be suspended or delayed. But my crystal ball
    is murky at best, and opaque today.

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to ira smilovitz on Mon Oct 11 17:27:48 2021
    ira smilovitz <ira.smilovitz@gmail.com> wrote
    Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:

    A person owns a vacation home. He doesn't rent it out and doesn't
    try to make money on it. But he does let family members use it
    when he isn't. The family members pay him a small amount to defer
    his out of pocket costs. These payments are made through Venmo.

    Now that Venmo will be sending out 1099-K, what is the best way
    for him to handle this? I guess he could handle it like a hobby,
    and show the payments as income, offset by expenses. But is there
    a better way?

    If it isn't income, it shouldn't be reported. There will be lots
    of problems with 1099-K reports next year. We'll have to see how
    things play out. Personally, I expect that the $600 reporting
    threshhold will be suspended or delayed. But my crystal ball is
    murky at best, and opaque today.

    Thanks Ira. That's helpful.

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  • From Taxed and Spent@21:1/5 to Stuart O. Bronstein on Tue Oct 12 11:07:29 2021
    On 10/11/2021 12:00 PM, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    A person owns a vacation home. He doesn't rent it out and doesn't try
    to make money on it. But he does let family members use it when he
    isn't. The family members pay him a small amount to defer his out of
    pocket costs. These payments are made through Venmo.

    Now that Venmo will be sending out 1099-K, what is the best way for him
    to handle this? I guess he could handle it like a hobby, and show the payments as income, offset by expenses. But is there a better way?

    Thanks for any insight you can give.


    Maybe they shouldn't be making payments through Venmo.

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 12 20:38:43 2021
    According to Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com>:
    On 10/11/2021 12:00 PM, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    A person owns a vacation home. He doesn't rent it out and doesn't try
    to make money on it. But he does let family members use it when he
    isn't. The family members pay him a small amount to defer his out of
    pocket costs. These payments are made through Venmo.

    Now that Venmo will be sending out 1099-K, what is the best way for him
    to handle this? I guess he could handle it like a hobby, and show the
    payments as income, offset by expenses. But is there a better way?

    Thanks for any insight you can give.


    Maybe they shouldn't be making payments through Venmo.

    Venmo is mostly used by people to share expenses and reimburse each other, none of which is taxable. There is also Venmo
    for business which accepts credit cards and charges a commission but that's much less common.

    Even if they send a 1099-K that doesn't mean you have taxable income:

    https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/money-verify/users-of-cash-apps-will-get-a-1099-form-but-that-doesnt-mean-extra-taxes/536-04e9ffd7-82e0-4685-9ec0-4dc08c0b3d01

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  • From MZB@21:1/5 to John Levine on Wed Oct 13 08:57:11 2021
    On 10/12/2021 8:38 PM, John Levine wrote:
    According to Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com>:
    On 10/11/2021 12:00 PM, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    A person owns a vacation home. He doesn't rent it out and doesn't try
    to make money on it. But he does let family members use it when he
    isn't. The family members pay him a small amount to defer his out of
    pocket costs. These payments are made through Venmo.

    Now that Venmo will be sending out 1099-K, what is the best way for him
    to handle this? I guess he could handle it like a hobby, and show the
    payments as income, offset by expenses. But is there a better way?

    Thanks for any insight you can give.


    Maybe they shouldn't be making payments through Venmo.

    Venmo is mostly used by people to share expenses and reimburse each other, none of which is taxable. There is also Venmo
    for business which accepts credit cards and charges a commission but that's much less common.

    Even if they send a 1099-K that doesn't mean you have taxable income:

    https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/money-verify/users-of-cash-apps-will-get-a-1099-form-but-that-doesnt-mean-extra-taxes/536-04e9ffd7-82e0-4685-9ec0-4dc08c0b3d01

    John:

    From that article you linked to:


    “Like my wife often receives Venmo payments from some of her girlfriends
    for groceries, and she makes those payments. And so that wouldn’t result
    in any income. And even if my wife got such a form, she could ignore it.”



    Is that true. You can totally ignore a 1099-K?

    Mel

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 14 00:33:51 2021
    According to MZB <moo@noway.prudigy.net>: >https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/money-verify/users-of-cash-apps-will-get-a-1099-form-but-that-doesnt-mean-extra-taxes/536-04e9ffd7-82e0-4685-9ec0-4dc08c0b3d01

    John:

    From that article you linked to:


    “Like my wife often receives Venmo payments from some of her girlfriends >for groceries, and she makes those payments. And so that wouldn’t result
    in any income. And even if my wife got such a form, she could ignore it.”



    Is that true. You can totally ignore a 1099-K?

    I guess we'll find out.

    The law didn't change the definition of taxable income, only the reporting rules.

    There have always been differences between what's on the 1099-K and one's income. For example, if a business allows
    people to make debit card payments with cash back, the 1099-K will report the full amount, but it subtracts
    the cash back amounts to get its reportable income.

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  • From MZB@21:1/5 to John Levine on Thu Oct 14 10:50:43 2021
    On 10/14/2021 12:33 AM, John Levine wrote:
    According to MZB <moo@noway.prudigy.net>:
    https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/money-verify/users-of-cash-apps-will-get-a-1099-form-but-that-doesnt-mean-extra-taxes/536-04e9ffd7-82e0-4685-9ec0-4dc08c0b3d01

    John:

    From that article you linked to:


    “Like my wife often receives Venmo payments from some of her girlfriends >> for groceries, and she makes those payments. And so that wouldn’t result >> in any income. And even if my wife got such a form, she could ignore it.” >>


    Is that true. You can totally ignore a 1099-K?

    I guess we'll find out.

    The law didn't change the definition of taxable income, only the reporting rules.

    There have always been differences between what's on the 1099-K and one's income. For example, if a business allows
    people to make debit card payments with cash back, the 1099-K will report the full amount, but it subtracts
    the cash back amounts to get its reportable income.


    John:
    Not questioning any income definitions. But there should be a way to
    indicate to the IRS that the figure on the 1099k is not income. I would
    think ignoring it is certain to trigger problems.

    Mel

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