• Improper HSA Withdrawal

    From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 22 22:21:29 2024
    OP withdrew money from his HSA to reimburse himself for proper medical expenses. He didn't realize he would be reimbursed for that otherwise, but
    he was.

    Now he needs to know what to do about the HSA withdrawal.

    I guess one option is to contribute it back if he hasn't maxed his contributions. But are there other options? Can he roll it back over or
    repay it within 60 days?

    Thanks for any insight you have have.


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  • From Bob Sandler@21:1/5 to spamtrap@lexregia.com on Fri Feb 23 00:18:37 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 22:21:29 EST, "Stuart O. Bronstein"
    <spamtrap@lexregia.com> wrote:

    OP withdrew money from his HSA to reimburse himself for proper medical >expenses. He didn't realize he would be reimbursed for that otherwise, but >he was.

    Now he needs to know what to do about the HSA withdrawal.

    I guess one option is to contribute it back if he hasn't maxed his >contributions. But are there other options? Can he roll it back over or >repay it within 60 days?

    He might be able to put it back in the HSA as a rollover if
    he puts it back within 60 days after the distribution was
    made. The IRS instructions for Form 8889 say the following
    (on page 4).

    "A rollover is a tax-free distribution (withdrawal) of
    assets from one HSA or Archer MSA that is reinvested in
    another HSA of the same account beneficiary. Generally, you
    must complete the rollover within 60 days after you received
    the distribution. An HSA can only receive one rollover
    contribution during a 1-year period."

    I would think that he could roll it back into the same HSA,
    but the instructions don't say that.

    He could possibly also put it back in the HSA as a mistaken
    distribution. The Form 8889 instructions (page 9) reference
    IRS Notice 2004-50 Q&A 37 and Q&A 76 regarding returning
    mistaken distributions. Here's a link to download Notice
    2004-50.

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-04-50.pdf

    However, Notice 2004-50 also says that the HSA trustee or
    custodian is not required to accept rollover contributions
    or return of mistaken distributions (Q&A 76 and Q&A 78). So
    he would have to ask the trustee or custodian if they would
    accept it.

    The following is the complete text of Q&A 37 and Q&A 76 from
    Notice 2004-50.


    Q-37. An account beneficiary receives an HSA distribution as
    the result of a mistake of fact due to reasonable cause
    (e.g., the account beneficiary reasonably, but mistakenly,
    believed that an expense was a qualified medical expense and
    was reimbursed for that expense from the HSA). The account
    beneficiary then repays the mistaken distribution to the
    HSA. Is the mistaken distribution included in gross income
    under section 223(f)(2) and subject to the 10 percent
    additional tax under section 223(f)(4) or subject to the
    excise tax on excess contributions under section 4973(a)(5)?

    A-37. If there is clear and convincing evidence that amounts
    were distributed from an HSA because of a mistake of fact
    due to reasonable cause, the account beneficiary may repay
    the mistaken distribution no later than April 15 following
    the first year the account beneficiary knew or should have
    known the distribution was a mistake. Under these
    circumstances, the distribution is not included in gross
    income under section 223(f)(2), or subject to the 10 percent
    additional tax under section 223(f)(4), and the repayment is
    not subject to the excise tax on excess contributions under
    section 4973(a)(5). But see Q&A 76 on the trustee's or
    custodian's obligation to accept a return of mistaken
    distributions.


    Q-76. Must the trustee or custodian allow account
    beneficiaries to return mistaken distributions to the HSA?

    A-76. No, this is optional. If the HSA trust or custodial
    agreement allows the return of mistaken distributions as
    described in Q&A 37, the trustee or custodian may rely on
    the account beneficiary's representation that the
    distribution was, in fact, a mistake.


    Bob Sandler

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to Bob Sandler on Fri Feb 23 11:30:08 2024
    Thanks Bob. That's an amazingly complete answer. I appreciate your
    time.

    Bob Sandler <bob_usenet@yahoo.com> wrote
    "Stuart O. Bronstein" <spamtrap@lexregia.com> wrote:

    OP withdrew money from his HSA to reimburse himself for proper medical >>expenses. He didn't realize he would be reimbursed for that
    otherwise, but he was.

    Now he needs to know what to do about the HSA withdrawal.

    I guess one option is to contribute it back if he hasn't maxed his >>contributions. But are there other options? Can he roll it back over
    or repay it within 60 days?

    He might be able to put it back in the HSA as a rollover if
    he puts it back within 60 days after the distribution was
    made. The IRS instructions for Form 8889 say the following
    (on page 4).

    "A rollover is a tax-free distribution (withdrawal) of
    assets from one HSA or Archer MSA that is reinvested in
    another HSA of the same account beneficiary. Generally, you
    must complete the rollover within 60 days after you received
    the distribution. An HSA can only receive one rollover
    contribution during a 1-year period."

    I would think that he could roll it back into the same HSA,
    but the instructions don't say that.

    He could possibly also put it back in the HSA as a mistaken
    distribution. The Form 8889 instructions (page 9) reference
    IRS Notice 2004-50 Q&A 37 and Q&A 76 regarding returning
    mistaken distributions. Here's a link to download Notice
    2004-50.

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-04-50.pdf

    However, Notice 2004-50 also says that the HSA trustee or
    custodian is not required to accept rollover contributions
    or return of mistaken distributions (Q&A 76 and Q&A 78). So
    he would have to ask the trustee or custodian if they would
    accept it.

    The following is the complete text of Q&A 37 and Q&A 76 from
    Notice 2004-50.


    Q-37. An account beneficiary receives an HSA distribution as
    the result of a mistake of fact due to reasonable cause
    (e.g., the account beneficiary reasonably, but mistakenly,
    believed that an expense was a qualified medical expense and
    was reimbursed for that expense from the HSA). The account
    beneficiary then repays the mistaken distribution to the
    HSA. Is the mistaken distribution included in gross income
    under section 223(f)(2) and subject to the 10 percent
    additional tax under section 223(f)(4) or subject to the
    excise tax on excess contributions under section 4973(a)(5)?

    A-37. If there is clear and convincing evidence that amounts
    were distributed from an HSA because of a mistake of fact
    due to reasonable cause, the account beneficiary may repay
    the mistaken distribution no later than April 15 following
    the first year the account beneficiary knew or should have
    known the distribution was a mistake. Under these
    circumstances, the distribution is not included in gross
    income under section 223(f)(2), or subject to the 10 percent
    additional tax under section 223(f)(4), and the repayment is
    not subject to the excise tax on excess contributions under
    section 4973(a)(5). But see Q&A 76 on the trustee's or
    custodian's obligation to accept a return of mistaken
    distributions.


    Q-76. Must the trustee or custodian allow account
    beneficiaries to return mistaken distributions to the HSA?

    A-76. No, this is optional. If the HSA trust or custodial
    agreement allows the return of mistaken distributions as
    described in Q&A 37, the trustee or custodian may rely on
    the account beneficiary's representation that the
    distribution was, in fact, a mistake.


    Bob Sandler




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