• 1031 Holding Period

    From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 28 15:36:46 2023
    When doing a 1031 exchange, the basis of the original property
    transfers to the new property. But does the holding period also
    transfer over?

    A client has done a 1031 exchange, and then wants to sell the new
    property within one year from the date of the exchange. My thought is
    that he should still qualify for long term capital gain treatment, but
    I haven't been able to find verification.

    Can anyone help clarify this for me?

    Thanks.


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  • From bc@21:1/5 to spamtrap@lexregia.com on Sat Sep 2 18:53:17 2023
    On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 15:36:46 EDT, "Stuart O. Bronstein"
    <spamtrap@lexregia.com> wrote:

    When doing a 1031 exchange, the basis of the original property
    transfers to the new property. But does the holding period also
    transfer over?

    I believe if you did NOT make the election to treat the property
    as a new acquisition under 1.168(l)-(6)(l) the holding period
    tacks along with the basis.
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    Admitted in Colorado

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to cantor2@ix.netcom.com on Sat Sep 2 21:08:04 2023
    bc <cantor2@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
    "Stuart O. Bronstein" <spamtrap@lexregia.com> wrote:

    When doing a 1031 exchange, the basis of the original property
    transfers to the new property. But does the holding period also
    transfer over?

    I believe if you did NOT make the election to treat the property
    as a new acquisition under 1.168(l)-(6)(l) the holding period
    tacks along with the basis.

    Thanks Bruce. I don't do returns so wasn't aware of that election.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Stuart O. Bronstein on Mon Sep 4 18:46:29 2023
    On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:37:30 PM UTC-7, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    When doing a 1031 exchange, the basis of the original property
    transfers to the new property. But does the holding period also
    transfer over?

    A client has done a 1031 exchange, and then wants to sell the new
    property within one year from the date of the exchange. My thought is
    that he should still qualify for long term capital gain treatment, but
    I haven't been able to find verification.

    Can anyone help clarify this for me?

    Thanks.


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    http://DownToEarthLawyer.com

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    I think that the IRS will take the position that this is a "fix and flip" transaction and disallow the 1031 exchange. I.e., the short holding period shows no intention to hold the property for investment or use it in a trade or business.

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Sep 4 19:20:43 2023
    Alan <tempuser@vacationmail.com> wrote:
    Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:

    When doing a 1031 exchange, the basis of the original property
    transfers to the new property. But does the holding period also
    transfer over?

    A client has done a 1031 exchange, and then wants to sell the new
    property within one year from the date of the exchange. My
    thought is that he should still qualify for long term capital
    gain treatment, but I haven't been able to find verification.

    Can anyone help clarify this for me?

    I think that the IRS will take the position that this is a "fix
    and flip" transaction and disallow the 1031 exchange. I.e., the
    short holding period shows no intention to hold the property for
    investment or use it in a trade or business.

    Thanks Alan - excellent point.


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  • From Taxed and Spent@21:1/5 to Stuart O. Bronstein on Tue Sep 5 19:54:38 2023
    On 9/4/2023 4:20 PM, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    Alan <tempuser@vacationmail.com> wrote:
    Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:

    When doing a 1031 exchange, the basis of the original property
    transfers to the new property. But does the holding period also
    transfer over?

    A client has done a 1031 exchange, and then wants to sell the new
    property within one year from the date of the exchange. My
    thought is that he should still qualify for long term capital
    gain treatment, but I haven't been able to find verification.

    Can anyone help clarify this for me?

    I think that the IRS will take the position that this is a "fix
    and flip" transaction and disallow the 1031 exchange. I.e., the
    short holding period shows no intention to hold the property for
    investment or use it in a trade or business.

    Thanks Alan - excellent point.



    Surely there must be more to this analysis. A short time period alone
    is not the whole story.

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to Taxed and Spent on Tue Sep 5 20:34:09 2023
    Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com> wrote:
    Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    Alan <tempuser@vacationmail.com> wrote:
    Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:

    When doing a 1031 exchange, the basis of the original property
    transfers to the new property. But does the holding period also
    transfer over?

    A client has done a 1031 exchange, and then wants to sell the
    new property within one year from the date of the exchange. My
    thought is that he should still qualify for long term capital
    gain treatment, but I haven't been able to find verification.

    Can anyone help clarify this for me?

    I think that the IRS will take the position that this is a "fix
    and flip" transaction and disallow the 1031 exchange. I.e., the
    short holding period shows no intention to hold the property for
    investment or use it in a trade or business.

    Thanks Alan - excellent point

    Surely there must be more to this analysis. A short time period
    alone is not the whole story.

    It's not the whole story, but it's close. For a 1031 exchange you
    have to exchange investment property for investment property. If you
    sell newly acquired property too quickly, the IRS conclusion is that
    it was to sell, not for long term investment.

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  • From Taxed and Spent@21:1/5 to Stuart O. Bronstein on Tue Sep 5 23:38:22 2023
    On 9/5/2023 5:34 PM, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    Taxed and Spent <nospamplease@nonospam.com> wrote:
    Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    Alan <tempuser@vacationmail.com> wrote:
    Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:

    When doing a 1031 exchange, the basis of the original property
    transfers to the new property. But does the holding period also
    transfer over?

    A client has done a 1031 exchange, and then wants to sell the
    new property within one year from the date of the exchange. My
    thought is that he should still qualify for long term capital
    gain treatment, but I haven't been able to find verification.

    Can anyone help clarify this for me?

    I think that the IRS will take the position that this is a "fix
    and flip" transaction and disallow the 1031 exchange. I.e., the
    short holding period shows no intention to hold the property for
    investment or use it in a trade or business.

    Thanks Alan - excellent point

    Surely there must be more to this analysis. A short time period
    alone is not the whole story.

    It's not the whole story, but it's close. For a 1031 exchange you
    have to exchange investment property for investment property. If you
    sell newly acquired property too quickly, the IRS conclusion is that
    it was to sell, not for long term investment.



    I disagree. Just because you relinquish property #2 "too soon" is not
    the entire test. It may raise the IRS eyebrows, but they have to look
    at the entire picture. You can very well hold property for a short time
    and still have its purpose be investment. And I think your use of the
    term "long term investment" is rather gratuitous here, perhaps just a
    slip of the tongue.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Taxed and Spent on Thu Sep 7 00:24:21 2023
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 8:39:01 PM UTC-7, Taxed and Spent wrote:
    On 9/5/2023 5:34 PM, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    Taxed and Spent <nospam...@nonospam.com> wrote:
    Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    Alan <temp...@vacationmail.com> wrote:
    Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:

    When doing a 1031 exchange, the basis of the original property
    transfers to the new property. But does the holding period also
    transfer over?

    A client has done a 1031 exchange, and then wants to sell the
    new property within one year from the date of the exchange. My
    thought is that he should still qualify for long term capital
    gain treatment, but I haven't been able to find verification.

    Can anyone help clarify this for me?

    I think that the IRS will take the position that this is a "fix
    and flip" transaction and disallow the 1031 exchange. I.e., the
    short holding period shows no intention to hold the property for
    investment or use it in a trade or business.

    Thanks Alan - excellent point

    Surely there must be more to this analysis. A short time period
    alone is not the whole story.

    It's not the whole story, but it's close. For a 1031 exchange you
    have to exchange investment property for investment property. If you
    sell newly acquired property too quickly, the IRS conclusion is that
    it was to sell, not for long term investment.

    I disagree. Just because you relinquish property #2 "too soon" is not
    the entire test. It may raise the IRS eyebrows, but they have to look
    at the entire picture. You can very well hold property for a short time
    and still have its purpose be investment. And I think your use of the
    term "long term investment" is rather gratuitous here, perhaps just a
    slip of the tongue.
    --
    See "https://www.firstexchange.com/holding-period-requirement-1031-exchange" for more info on this issue of holding period.

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  • From Taxed and Spent@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Sep 7 20:34:50 2023
    On 9/6/2023 9:24 PM, Alan wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 8:39:01 PM UTC-7, Taxed and Spent wrote:
    On 9/5/2023 5:34 PM, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    Taxed and Spent <nospam...@nonospam.com> wrote:
    Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    Alan <temp...@vacationmail.com> wrote:
    Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:

    When doing a 1031 exchange, the basis of the original property
    transfers to the new property. But does the holding period also
    transfer over?

    A client has done a 1031 exchange, and then wants to sell the
    new property within one year from the date of the exchange. My
    thought is that he should still qualify for long term capital
    gain treatment, but I haven't been able to find verification.

    Can anyone help clarify this for me?

    I think that the IRS will take the position that this is a "fix
    and flip" transaction and disallow the 1031 exchange. I.e., the
    short holding period shows no intention to hold the property for
    investment or use it in a trade or business.

    Thanks Alan - excellent point

    Surely there must be more to this analysis. A short time period
    alone is not the whole story.

    It's not the whole story, but it's close. For a 1031 exchange you
    have to exchange investment property for investment property. If you
    sell newly acquired property too quickly, the IRS conclusion is that
    it was to sell, not for long term investment.

    I disagree. Just because you relinquish property #2 "too soon" is not
    the entire test. It may raise the IRS eyebrows, but they have to look
    at the entire picture. You can very well hold property for a short time
    and still have its purpose be investment. And I think your use of the
    term "long term investment" is rather gratuitous here, perhaps just a
    slip of the tongue.
    --
    See "https://www.firstexchange.com/holding-period-requirement-1031-exchange" for more info on this issue of holding period.



    Thank you for proving my point:

    The differing opinions of the IRS, courts and legislature reveal that
    the determination of whether a property is held for investment will be
    made on a case by case basis, taking into consideration all of the facts
    and circumstances that apply to the Taxpayer­'s particular situation. If audited, the Taxpayer will have the burden of proving that his intent,
    when he purchased the replacement property, or came into title in the relinquished property, was to hold the property for investment. Time is
    just one factor that the IRS and courts will consider in determining the Taxpayer­'s intent and a Taxpayer'­s purpose can change while he holds
    the property. In general, the longer a Taxpayer holds property, the
    easier it will be to prove investment intent, but Courts have approved
    of exchanges when the relinquished property was held for only five days
    (See Allegheny County Auto Mart v. C.I.R. 208 F2d 693 (1953)) and
    disapproved of exchanges when the replacement property was held for six
    years (Klarkowski v. Commissioner, TC Memo 1965-328, aff­d on other
    grounds (7th Cir. 1967) 385 F2d 398).

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