• Investment Energy Credit

    From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 15 16:33:02 2023
    Hi All -

    The question came up as to whether the investment energy credit applies
    to rental real estate. It should, but I haven't been able to find any
    specific authority.

    Can you help?

    Thanks.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Stuart O. Bronstein on Tue Aug 15 17:39:22 2023
    Stuart O. Bronstein <spamtrap@lexregia.com> wrote:

    The question came up as to whether the investment energy credit applies
    to rental real estate. It should, but I haven't been able to find any >specific authority.

    I'm not sure what credit you are talking about.

    This is what I found:

    IRS releases frequently asked questions about energy efficient home improvements and residential clean energy property credits
    IR-2022-225, December 22, 2022 https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/irs-releases-frequently-asked-questions-about-energy-efficient-home-improvements-and-residential-clean-energy-property-credits

    That links to this:

    Frequently asked questions about energy efficient home improvements and residential clean energy property credits
    FS-2022-40, December 2022
    https://www.irs.gov/pub/taxpros/fs-2022-40.pdf

    See the section on Qualifying Residence.

    The short answer is that the taxpayer may take the credits if he uses
    the home as a primary residence. In the case of a second home, certain
    credits apply but others do not. If the taxpayer making the qualifying improvements is the taxpayer, he may take the applicable credits. If the landlord made the improvements, there are no credits available to take.

    I hope you weren't asking about something else entirely different.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Tue Aug 15 17:57:08 2023
    Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    The short answer is that the taxpayer may take the credits if he uses
    the home as a primary residence. In the case of a second home, certain >credits apply but others do not. If the taxpayer making the qualifying >improvements is the taxpayer,

    is the resident tenant

    he may take the applicable credits. If the
    landlord made the improvements, there are no credits available to take.

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Tue Aug 15 17:45:37 2023
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Stuart O. Bronstein <spamtrap@lexregia.com> wrote:

    The question came up as to whether the investment energy credit
    applies to rental real estate. It should, but I haven't been able
    to find any specific authority.

    I'm not sure what credit you are talking about.

    This is what I found:

    IRS releases frequently asked questions about energy efficient
    home improvements and residential clean energy property credits
    IR-2022-225, December 22, 2022 https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/irs-releases-frequently-asked-question s-about-energy-efficient-home-improvements-and-residential-clean-en ergy-property-credits

    That links to this:

    Frequently asked questions about energy efficient home
    improvements and residential clean energy property credits
    FS-2022-40, December 2022
    https://www.irs.gov/pub/taxpros/fs-2022-40.pdf

    See the section on Qualifying Residence.

    The short answer is that the taxpayer may take the credits if he
    uses the home as a primary residence. In the case of a second
    home, certain credits apply but others do not. If the taxpayer
    making the qualifying improvements is the taxpayer, he may take
    the applicable credits. If the landlord made the improvements,
    there are no credits available to take.

    I hope you weren't asking about something else entirely different.

    Actually I am talking about something entirely different. I'm talking
    about the investment tax energy credit under section 48 of the Tax
    Code. This is not for a principal residence but for rental property.

    I looked at the instruction for Form 3468. It only refers to rental
    property when talking about qualified rehabillitation expenditures,
    and that particular credit is only available for certified historical structures. I suspect this means that all rental properties qualify
    for the energy credit because that limitation is not present. But I
    haven't been able to find anything specific.


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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Stuart O. Bronstein on Tue Aug 15 19:19:35 2023
    Stuart O. Bronstein <spamtrap@lexregia.com> wrote:
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    . . .

    I hope you weren't asking about something else entirely different.

    Actually I am talking about something entirely different. I'm talking
    about the investment tax energy credit under section 48 of the Tax
    Code. This is not for a principal residence but for rental property.

    Sorry about that.

    I looked at the instruction for Form 3468. It only refers to rental
    property when talking about qualified rehabillitation expenditures,
    and that particular credit is only available for certified historical >structures. I suspect this means that all rental properties qualify
    for the energy credit because that limitation is not present. But I
    haven't been able to find anything specific.

    I found this on page 3 of the instructions. Does this apply to your
    situation?

    Part I--Information Regarding the
    Election To Treat the Lessee as the
    Purchaser of Investment Credit
    Property

    Generally, for purposes of eligibility for and figuring the amount
    of the investment credit, a lessor of property may elect to treat
    the lessee as having acquired the property. Once the election is
    made, the lessee will be entitled to an investment credit for
    that property for the tax year in which the property is placed
    in service and the lessor will not be entitled to such a credit.

    If the leased property is disposed of, or otherwise ceases to
    be investment credit property, the property will generally be
    subject to the recapture rules for early dispositions.

    The lessor will provide the lessee with all the information
    needed to complete lines 11h and 11i, if applicable.

    For information on making the election, see section 48(d) (as
    in effect on November 4, 1990) and related regulations. For
    limitations, see sections 46(e)(3) and 48(d) (as in effect on
    November 4, 1990).

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Tue Aug 15 21:01:54 2023
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Stuart O. Bronstein <spamtrap@lexregia.com> wrote:
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    . . .

    I hope you weren't asking about something else entirely
    different.

    Actually I am talking about something entirely different. I'm
    talking about the investment tax energy credit under section 48 of
    the Tax Code. This is not for a principal residence but for
    rental property.

    Sorry about that.

    I looked at the instruction for Form 3468. It only refers to
    rental property when talking about qualified rehabillitation
    expenditures, and that particular credit is only available for
    certified historical structures. I suspect this means that all
    rental properties qualify for the energy credit because that
    limitation is not present. But I haven't been able to find
    anything specific.

    I found this on page 3 of the instructions. Does this apply to
    your situation?

    Part I--Information Regarding the
    Election To Treat the Lessee as the
    Purchaser of Investment Credit
    Property

    Generally, for purposes of eligibility for and figuring the
    amount of the investment credit, a lessor of property may
    elect to treat the lessee as having acquired the property.
    Once the election is made, the lessee will be entitled to an
    investment credit for that property for the tax year in which
    the property is placed in service and the lessor will not be
    entitled to such a credit.

    If the leased property is disposed of, or otherwise ceases to
    be investment credit property, the property will generally be
    subject to the recapture rules for early dispositions.

    The lessor will provide the lessee with all the information
    needed to complete lines 11h and 11i, if applicable.

    For information on making the election, see section 48(d) (as
    in effect on November 4, 1990) and related regulations. For
    limitations, see sections 46(e)(3) and 48(d) (as in effect on
    November 4, 1990).

    Thanks Adam. No, I don't think that helps. But looking at the 3468,
    it's pretty clear that it contemplates real estate qualifying for the
    credit. And this is an investment tax credit, not a homeowner
    credit. So while it doesn't say so directly, I think it's safe to
    assume taking the credit on a rental property works.


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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Stuart O. Bronstein on Sat Aug 19 13:54:14 2023
    On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 6:05:25 PM UTC-7, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:

    Stuart O. Bronstein <spam...@lexregia.com> wrote:
    "Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:

    Actually I am talking about something entirely different. I'm
    talking about the investment tax energy credit under section 48 of
    the Tax Code. This is not for a principal residence but for
    rental property.

    The following from the Bradford Tax Institute answers the query. https://bradfordtaxinstitute.com/Content/New-Law-Improves-Energy-Tax-Benefits-for-Biz-Owners-and-Landlords.aspx

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