• 501(c)3 with no physical office

    From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 3 16:58:17 2023
    I'm on the board of a small 501(c)3 organization, a public charity
    not a private foundation. We have no employees, and directors are all volunteers. Like a lot of small charities, we operate on a
    shoestring.

    The IRS website says we must have certain documents available for
    public inspection at our principal office. But we don't have any
    physical office. In such a case, how do we need to respond to a
    request to inspect documents? Is it enough to respond promptly to any
    request sent to our mailing address or phone number offering copies
    of the documents in question? Or should we just finesse the issue by
    carrying the documents on our website?

    (This is all theoretical so far: in 25 years, as far as I know, we've
    never had a request to inspect documents. But I want us to ready in
    the event, however unlikely, of such a request.)

    BTW, we're a California corporation, but the CA attorney general's
    guide to charities doesn't answer this question. The only inspection requirement it mentions is the Federal one.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Sat Jun 3 18:33:41 2023
    Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

    I'm on the board of a small 501(c)3 organization, a public charity
    not a private foundation. We have no employees, and directors are all >volunteers. Like a lot of small charities, we operate on a
    shoestring.

    The IRS website says we must have certain documents available for
    public inspection at our principal office. But we don't have any
    physical office.

    For the purpose of compliance with public disclosure, the office is
    wherever your treasurer keeps financial records. I would absolutely not
    set up a meeting with a stranger at your treasurer's home. Meet in a
    public library if there's a need to disclose paper records.

    In such a case, how do we need to respond to a
    request to inspect documents? Is it enough to respond promptly to any
    request sent to our mailing address or phone number offering copies
    of the documents in question? Or should we just finesse the issue by
    carrying the documents on our website?

    There are multiple ways to comply, so do whatever is easier for you.
    Plenty of charities just point to Guidestar given that it provides tax
    returns, although they don't include all schedules.

    You are not required to disclose Schedule B Schedule of Contributors,
    and it's not always a mandatory part of the tax return since the Trump administration regulation change.

    Also, some recent tax returns are available on the IRS Web site, but there
    are plenty of tax returns missing. If your tax return for a particular
    year is available on the IRS Web site, then you are in compliance with
    the disclosure requirement, at least for that year.

    (This is all theoretical so far: in 25 years, as far as I know, we've
    never had a request to inspect documents. But I want us to ready in
    the event, however unlikely, of such a request.)

    BTW, we're a California corporation, but the CA attorney general's
    guide to charities doesn't answer this question. The only inspection >requirement it mentions is the Federal one.

    Might as well disclose your state filing as well if asked. It's the same information in a different layout, and it demonstrates that you are
    complying.

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Tue Aug 1 23:15:28 2023
    On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 18:33:41 EDT, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
    The IRS website says we must have certain documents available for
    public inspection at our principal office. But we don't have any
    physical office.

    For the purpose of compliance with public disclosure, the office is
    wherever your treasurer keeps financial records. I would absolutely not
    set up a meeting with a stranger at your treasurer's home. Meet in a
    public library if there's a need to disclose paper records.

    In such a case, how do we need to respond to a
    request to inspect documents? Is it enough to respond promptly to any >request sent to our mailing address or phone number offering copies
    of the documents in question? Or should we just finesse the issue by >carrying the documents on our website?

    There are multiple ways to comply, so do whatever is easier for you.
    Plenty of charities just point to Guidestar given that it provides tax returns, although they don't include all schedules.

    Adam, I don't think I ever said thank you for the advice, so: Thank
    you.

    I looked at Guidestar, and maybe I misread something but it sure
    looked like they charge a fee for those records. Anyway, since
    storage is cheap, we're going to put the disclosures on our website,
    where people can get them on demand and without fee -- not that we've
    ever received a request since I've been on the Board, but I want us
    to be in compliance and this way I know we are.

    Your point about not meeting in a Director's home is well taken, but
    when stuff is on the website that issue shouldn't arise.

    --
    Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
    Shikata ga nai...

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Wed Aug 2 13:02:16 2023
    Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
    On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 18:33:41 EDT, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

    The IRS website says we must have certain documents available for
    public inspection at our principal office. But we don't have any
    physical office.

    For the purpose of compliance with public disclosure, the office is >>wherever your treasurer keeps financial records. I would absolutely not
    set up a meeting with a stranger at your treasurer's home. Meet in a
    public library if there's a need to disclose paper records.

    In such a case, how do we need to respond to a
    request to inspect documents? Is it enough to respond promptly to any >>>request sent to our mailing address or phone number offering copies
    of the documents in question? Or should we just finesse the issue by >>>carrying the documents on our website?

    There are multiple ways to comply, so do whatever is easier for you.
    Plenty of charities just point to Guidestar given that it provides tax >>returns, although they don't include all schedules.

    Adam, I don't think I ever said thank you for the advice, so: Thank
    you.

    You're welcome. I'm glad you found a solution that works for your
    organization.

    I looked at Guidestar, and maybe I misread something but it sure
    looked like they charge a fee for those records.

    With a free account, one can look at the three most recent tax returns
    of a specific charity.

    Anyway, since storage is cheap, we're going to put the disclosures on
    our website, where people can get them on demand and without fee --
    not that we've ever received a request since I've been on the Board,
    but I want us to be in compliance and this way I know we are.

    Your point about not meeting in a Director's home is well taken, but
    when stuff is on the website that issue shouldn't arise.

    I've heard of charities that scan in and put up older tax returns on
    their Web site if they receive a request, anything to avoid letting
    the requestor look through paper records in person.

    Whatever you put on the Web, make sure you do a lot of redacting,
    especially financial accounts and names of contributors.

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Wed Aug 2 13:42:14 2023
    On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 13:02:16 EDT, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
    I looked at Guidestar, and maybe I misread something but it sure
    looked like they charge a fee for those records.

    With a free account, one can look at the three most recent tax returns
    of a specific charity.

    Thanks -- obviously I did miss something.

    I've heard of charities that scan in and put up older tax returns on
    their Web site if they receive a request, anything to avoid letting
    the requestor look through paper records in person.

    Whatever you put on the Web, make sure you do a lot of redacting,
    especially financial accounts and names of contributors.

    We're small enough that we file form 990-N, the online "postcard
    return", so names of contributors never appear, and there are no
    paper returns.

    (We're trying to up our game on fundraising, so hopefully that will
    not always be true.)

    --
    Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
    Shikata ga nai...

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Wed Aug 2 17:34:01 2023
    Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 13:02:16 EDT, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

    I looked at Guidestar, and maybe I misread something but it sure
    looked like they charge a fee for those records.

    With a free account, one can look at the three most recent tax returns
    of a specific charity.

    Thanks -- obviously I did miss something.

    I've heard of charities that scan in and put up older tax returns on
    their Web site if they receive a request, anything to avoid letting
    the requestor look through paper records in person.

    Whatever you put on the Web, make sure you do a lot of redacting, >>especially financial accounts and names of contributors.

    We're small enough that we file form 990-N, the online "postcard
    return", so names of contributors never appear, and there are no
    paper returns.

    (We're trying to up our game on fundraising, so hopefully that will
    not always be true.)

    Oh. I didn't realize there were no tax returns.

    Given that you would want to prove you had given timely notice on 990-N
    you should refer your Web site's visitors to the IRS Web site anyway.

    Tax Exempt Organization Search
    https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos

    Tell them to search with your EIN without the hyphen.

    This reminds me that two of my tiny organizations had June year ends and
    I really should make sure the 990-N get filed. I have to look for the credentials I haven't used in a year!

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