• K-1 with only expenses

    From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 18 13:09:07 2023
    I received an inquiry about an LLC taxed as a partnership, whose only
    members are non-citizens/nonresidents. The LLC has had expenses but no revenue.

    Does the LLC need to send out K-1s to the members?

    When a partnership has no revenue, it's not required to file a Form
    1065. So K-1s wouldn't be required either. But if the partnership nevertheless files a 1065 to recognize expenses, are K-1s necessary?

    I couldn't find an answer. But my thought would be that the K-1s
    wouldn't be necessary in the generic sense, but if they're not issued,
    the partners wouldn't be able to recognize those deductions in future
    years.

    How am I doing? What do you think about how this should be treated?

    Thanks.

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  • From ira smilovitz@21:1/5 to Stuart O. Bronstein on Tue Apr 18 15:58:15 2023
    On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 1:09:30 PM UTC-4, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    I received an inquiry about an LLC taxed as a partnership, whose only
    members are non-citizens/nonresidents. The LLC has had expenses but no revenue.

    Does the LLC need to send out K-1s to the members?

    When a partnership has no revenue, it's not required to file a Form
    1065. So K-1s wouldn't be required either. But if the partnership nevertheless files a 1065 to recognize expenses, are K-1s necessary?

    I couldn't find an answer. But my thought would be that the K-1s
    wouldn't be necessary in the generic sense, but if they're not issued,
    the partners wouldn't be able to recognize those deductions in future
    years.

    How am I doing? What do you think about how this should be treated?

    Thanks.

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    A partnership with expenses is required to file its return and issue K-1s. From the instructions:

    Except as provided below, every domestic partnership must file Form 1065, unless it neither receives income nor incurs any expenditures treated as deductions or credits for federal income tax purposes.

    Ira Smilovitz, EA
    Leonia, NJ

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to ira smilovitz on Tue Apr 18 16:59:06 2023
    ira smilovitz <ira.smilovitz@gmail.com> wrote:
    Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:

    I received an inquiry about an LLC taxed as a partnership, whose
    only members are non-citizens/nonresidents. The LLC has had
    expenses but no revenue.

    Does the LLC need to send out K-1s to the members?

    When a partnership has no revenue, it's not required to file a
    Form 1065. So K-1s wouldn't be required either. But if the
    partnership nevertheless files a 1065 to recognize expenses, are
    K-1s necessary?

    I couldn't find an answer. But my thought would be that the K-1s
    wouldn't be necessary in the generic sense, but if they're not
    issued, the partners wouldn't be able to recognize those
    deductions in future years.

    How am I doing? What do you think about how this should be
    treated?
    A partnership with expenses is required to file its return and
    issue K-1s. From the instructions:

    Except as provided below, every domestic partnership must file
    Form 1065, unless it neither receives income nor incurs any
    expenditures treated as deductions or credits for federal income
    tax purposes.

    Thanks. I'd forgotten that.


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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to ira smilovitz on Tue Apr 18 17:17:29 2023
    ira smilovitz <ira.smilovitz@gmail.com> wrote:
    Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:

    I received an inquiry about an LLC taxed as a partnership, whose
    only members are non-citizens/nonresidents. The LLC has had
    expenses but no revenue.

    Does the LLC need to send out K-1s to the members?

    When a partnership has no revenue, it's not required to file a
    Form 1065. So K-1s wouldn't be required either. But if the
    partnership nevertheless files a 1065 to recognize expenses, are
    K-1s necessary?

    I couldn't find an answer. But my thought would be that the K-1s
    wouldn't be necessary in the generic sense, but if they're not
    issued, the partners wouldn't be able to recognize those
    deductions in future years.

    How am I doing? What do you think about how this should be
    treated?
    A partnership with expenses is required to file its return and
    issue K-1s. From the instructions:

    Except as provided below, every domestic partnership must file
    Form 1065, unless it neither receives income nor incurs any
    expenditures treated as deductions or credits for federal income
    tax purposes.

    So what happens if the LLC files the 1065 and issues K-1s, but the
    foreign partners don't file returns that show a loss? Do they lose
    the right to carry those deductions forward? I couldn't find a
    financial penalty for doing that.


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  • From ira smilovitz@21:1/5 to Stuart O. Bronstein on Wed Apr 19 00:49:54 2023
    On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 5:20:10 PM UTC-4, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    ira smilovitz <ira.sm...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:

    I received an inquiry about an LLC taxed as a partnership, whose
    only members are non-citizens/nonresidents. The LLC has had
    expenses but no revenue.

    Does the LLC need to send out K-1s to the members?

    When a partnership has no revenue, it's not required to file a
    Form 1065. So K-1s wouldn't be required either. But if the
    partnership nevertheless files a 1065 to recognize expenses, are
    K-1s necessary?

    I couldn't find an answer. But my thought would be that the K-1s
    wouldn't be necessary in the generic sense, but if they're not
    issued, the partners wouldn't be able to recognize those
    deductions in future years.

    How am I doing? What do you think about how this should be
    treated?
    A partnership with expenses is required to file its return and
    issue K-1s. From the instructions:

    Except as provided below, every domestic partnership must file
    Form 1065, unless it neither receives income nor incurs any
    expenditures treated as deductions or credits for federal income
    tax purposes.
    So what happens if the LLC files the 1065 and issues K-1s, but the
    foreign partners don't file returns that show a loss? Do they lose
    the right to carry those deductions forward? I couldn't find a
    financial penalty for doing that.
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    I don't know.

    Ira Smilovitz, EA
    Leonia, NJ

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