Apologies for the off-topic post; I don't see any more suitable
newsgroup.

My trusty old HL-L2380DW is getting near to replacement. I see some
new (unused) ones, but in the $350-$400 range. The current model
seems to be HL-L2390DW, at about $190, or 2395 at about $220.

But the 2390 and 2395 have a "Brother Refresh" toner subscription,
which of course is a bad deal for the consumer. Two questions:

1. Can you run a 2390 or 2395 successfully on a Brother toner
cartridge without getting the subscription?

2. Can you run a 2390 or 2395 successfully using third-party toner,
or does the printer sense a non-Brother cartridge and not allow it?

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On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 4:35:33 PM UTC-7, Stan Brown wrote:

My trusty old HL-L2380DW is getting near to replacement. I see some
new (unused) ones, but in the $350-$400 range. The current model
seems to be HL-L2390DW, at about $190, or 2395 at about $220.

But the 2390 and 2395 have a "Brother Refresh" toner subscription,
which of course is a bad deal for the consumer. Two questions:

1. Can you run a 2390 or 2395 successfully on a Brother toner
cartridge without getting the subscription?

IANAL, but from my reading of the Brother printer website, the subscriptions are options. There doesn't seem to be any requirement that you sign up for
one. You can instead just buy toner cartridges when you need them.

2. Can you run a 2390 or 2395 successfully using third-party toner,
or does the printer sense a non-Brother cartridge and not allow it?

This is, of course, not addressed by Brother. But from looking at other
places, there appear to be 3rd-party toner cartridges for sale, so they
would presumably work.
One example. (No endorsement intended. I haven't used them): https://www.4inkjets.com/ink-and-toner/brother/hl/hl-l2395dw

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Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

Apologies for the off-topic post; I don't see any more suitable
newsgroup.

My trusty old HL-L2380DW is getting near to replacement. I see some
new (unused) ones, but in the $350-$400 range. The current model
seems to be HL-L2390DW, at about $190, or 2395 at about $220.

But the 2390 and 2395 have a "Brother Refresh" toner subscription,
which of course is a bad deal for the consumer. Two questions:

1. Can you run a 2390 or 2395 successfully on a Brother toner
cartridge without getting the subscription?

2. Can you run a 2390 or 2395 successfully using third-party toner,
or does the printer sense a non-Brother cartridge and not allow it?

I was rotating among a number of older laser printers, swapping them out
as they needed replacement cartridges. Yes, I stopped using the Brother
when the chip in the toner cartridge reached zero, despite there being
plenty of remaining toner for perhaps a couple hundred sheets. I didn't
want to put up with that nonsense and didn't buy a replacement
cartridge.

Your suspicion that the chip in the cartridge will defeat your ability
to buy it from another manufacturer is probably correct. Even if Brother cartridges are drilled and refilled, the chip must be reset somehow.

I reverted to using the workhorse HP LaserJet 4050N. I have two of them.
They are more than 2 1/2 decades old. They were intended to be high-volume printers for an office environment (17 pages per minute, a great innovation
for the era), or could be used in a mailroom with various attachments. I've
got envelope feeder attachments for them. They are overkill for my use
but they never die. There are third parties happily providing high-volume
toner cartridges and the printers do not complain.

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Tom Russ <taruss@google.com> wrote:

Stan Brown wrote:

My trusty old HL-L2380DW is getting near to replacement. I see
some new (unused) ones, but in the $350-$400 range. The current
model seems to be HL-L2390DW, at about $190, or 2395 at about
$220.

But the 2390 and 2395 have a "Brother Refresh" toner
subscription, which of course is a bad deal for the consumer. Two
questions:

1. Can you run a 2390 or 2395 successfully on a Brother toner
cartridge without getting the subscription?

IANAL, but from my reading of the Brother printer website, the
subscriptions are options. There doesn't seem to be any
requirement that you sign up for one. You can instead just buy
toner cartridges when you need them.

2. Can you run a 2390 or 2395 successfully using third-party
toner, or does the printer sense a non-Brother cartridge and not
allow it?

This is, of course, not addressed by Brother. But from looking at
other places, there appear to be 3rd-party toner cartridges for
sale, so they would presumably work.
One example. (No endorsement intended. I haven't used them): https://www.4inkjets.com/ink-and-toner/brother/hl/hl-l2395dw

I have a Xerox printer. As long as I get toner cartridges from them,
they give me tech support. They once even replaced my printer (no
charge) when it broke down and couldn't be repaired (after I'd owned
it for more than four years). For me it's a great deal.


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"Adam H. Kerman" wrote in message news:u0g72f$39pvd$1@dont-email.me...

Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

Apologies for the off-topic post; I don't see any more suitable
newsgroup.

My trusty old HL-L2380DW is getting near to replacement. I see some
new (unused) ones, but in the $350-$400 range. The current model
seems to be HL-L2390DW, at about $190, or 2395 at about $220.

But the 2390 and 2395 have a "Brother Refresh" toner subscription,
which of course is a bad deal for the consumer. Two questions:

1. Can you run a 2390 or 2395 successfully on a Brother toner
cartridge without getting the subscription?

2. Can you run a 2390 or 2395 successfully using third-party toner,
or does the printer sense a non-Brother cartridge and not allow it?

I was rotating among a number of older laser printers, swapping them out
as they needed replacement cartridges. Yes, I stopped using the Brother
when the chip in the toner cartridge reached zero, despite there being
plenty of remaining toner for perhaps a couple hundred sheets. I didn't
want to put up with that nonsense and didn't buy a replacement
cartridge.

Your suspicion that the chip in the cartridge will defeat your ability
to buy it from another manufacturer is probably correct. Even if Brother >cartridges are drilled and refilled, the chip must be reset somehow.

I reverted to using the workhorse HP LaserJet 4050N. I have two of them.
They are more than 2 1/2 decades old. They were intended to be high-volume >printers for an office environment (17 pages per minute, a great innovation >for the era), or could be used in a mailroom with various attachments. I've >got envelope feeder attachments for them. They are overkill for my use
but they never die. There are third parties happily providing high-volume >toner cartridges and the printers do not complain.

I have been using an HP Laserjet Pro M118 for a few years now and have had
no trouble buying clone toner cartridges off of Amazon. They are
considerably cheaper than the HP cartridges and they work just fine. I haven't used Brother printers in literally decades, but I don't see why you couldn't use generic cartridges, as long as the printer is out of warranty.


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