• Reporting 1099-R

    From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 12 12:04:52 2023
    I don't do returns, and I haven't been able to find out the answer to
    this question. OP transferred money from one company's 401(k) to
    another company's 401(k), and he received a 1099-R. The instructions
    for the 1099-R give information on how the distribution is to be
    reported, but it doesn't cover this case.

    My guess is that it's reported on Line 5a of the 1040, Pensions and
    annuities, but showing zero as the taxable amount.

    Is this a reasonable approach? Or am I way off base? Is this a normal rollover? I thought a 401(k) could only be rolled over into an IRA.

    Thanks.


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  • From honda.lioness@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 12 13:44:07 2023
    If within 60 days of taking the distribution from the former company's 401(k), the entire distribution was rolled over to the new company's 401(k) , then I would expect a 1099-R, and I would expect 1099-R Box 2 to read zero and 1099-R Box 7 to have a "G"
    in it.

    What does this 1099-R Box 7 have in it?

    I agree 2022 Form 1040 Line 5b should show zero. I would expect Line 5a to show the amount of the rollover.

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to honda....@gmail.com on Mon Feb 13 20:56:03 2023
    "honda....@gmail.com" <honda.lioness@gmail.com> wrote:

    If within 60 days of taking the distribution from the former
    company's 401(k), the entire distribution was rolled over to the
    new company's 401(k) , then I would expect a 1099-R, and I would
    expect 1099-R Box 2 to read zero and 1099-R Box 7 to have a "G" in
    it.

    What does this 1099-R Box 7 have in it?

    I agree 2022 Form 1040 Line 5b should show zero. I would expect
    Line 5a to show the amount of the rollover.

    Thanks. That's very helpful. I haven't see the 1099 so I don't know
    what's in Box 2 or Box 7. But I think I was able to give him enough information.


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  • From JoeTaxpayer@21:1/5 to Stuart O. Bronstein on Mon Feb 13 22:57:59 2023
    On 2/12/23 12:04 PM, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    I don't do returns, and I haven't been able to find out the answer to
    this question. OP transferred money from one company's 401(k) to
    another company's 401(k), and he received a 1099-R. The instructions
    for the 1099-R give information on how the distribution is to be
    reported, but it doesn't cover this case.

    My guess is that it's reported on Line 5a of the 1040, Pensions and annuities, but showing zero as the taxable amount.

    Is this a reasonable approach? Or am I way off base? Is this a normal rollover? I thought a 401(k) could only be rolled over into an IRA.

    Thanks.

    First, to address rollovers. Yes, it's permitted to transfer from one's
    old 401(k) to a new one.

    It's possible the new 401(k) has very low expenses and the person would
    just rather have the one retirement account. I worked for a company
    whose plan had an S&P index for a .02% (i.e. 1% over 50 years) and index
    funds available to the public hadn't dropped that low yet.

    Or. Person is in a high tax bracket, beyond the ability to deposit to an
    IRA and take a deduction. So, they'd use the back-door process. Deposit,
    with no deduction, and convert to Roth. This process is far simpler if
    there is no existing IRA, as that would require prorating the conversion
    and mixing in the pretax money from the transferred 401(k).

    Or - for someone who might want to take a loan, the transfer to the new
    401(k) makes sense. (I'm not taking a position on whether this is wise.
    I can probably contrive situations that go either way).

    My tax return doesn't have 401(k) to 401(k) transfer, just 401(k) to
    IRA, as it's easier for me to transfer a chunk of money to the IRA, and
    then distribute as we spend over the year. 5a shows the full amount transferred. 5b shows only the amount we withdrew that did not go to the
    IRAs. It's zero most years. and the tax form shows "Rollover" typed in
    between "b Taxable amount" and the 5b line. I use tax software, which
    wrote that. I assume the instructions would have a paper return do the
    same.

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