• Query about series I Bond Registration

    From MZB@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 6 11:34:44 2023
    For 3 years, my wife and I have purchased the max each year ($10K) of
    Series I US Savings Bonds.
    They are titled in each of our name. We are thinking of adding each of
    us as beneficiaries to our spouses holdings.

    1) If I pass away, would my wife run afoul by inheriting the bonds since
    she has already purchased the max?

    2) Are we better off just changing the title to both of us as joint owners?


    Mel

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to moo@noway.prudigy.net on Mon Feb 6 15:08:30 2023
    It appears that MZB <moo@noway.prudigy.net> said:
    For 3 years, my wife and I have purchased the max each year ($10K) of
    Series I US Savings Bonds.
    They are titled in each of our name. We are thinking of adding each of
    us as beneficiaries to our spouses holdings.

    1) If I pass away, would my wife run afoul by inheriting the bonds since
    she has already purchased the max?

    The $10K limit is on how many bonds an individual or entity can buy
    during a year, not on what you can own. There is no limit to how many
    you or she can own.

    2) Are we better off just changing the title to both of us as joint owners?

    Probably, since then when one of you dies, the other immediately
    becomes the owner without having to pass through the decedent's
    estate. If the bonds are in Treasury Direct, you can do it all online.




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  • From danny burstein@21:1/5 to MZB on Mon Feb 6 14:24:05 2023
    In <trr3ib$34ae9$1@dont-email.me> MZB <moo@noway.prudigy.net> writes:

    For 3 years, my wife and I have purchased the max each year ($10K) of
    Series I US Savings Bonds.

    [snip]

    Can't answer your registration quesiton but... just pointing out
    there's *another* five thousand dollar purchase option.

    It's little known, but you can request your IRS "refund" (if
    yo have one coming) to be paid to you in, yes, US "I savings Bonds",
    and as a super good incentive, you can get ther in PAPER FORM.

    THat's the only way to get paper savings bonds these days.

    The maximum is $5,000, and this is _in addition_ to the
    basic ten thousand dollars.


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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to MZB on Mon Feb 6 15:22:57 2023
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 8:36:28 AM UTC-8, MZB wrote:
    For 3 years, my wife and I have purchased the max each year ($10K) of
    Series I US Savings Bonds.
    They are titled in each of our name. We are thinking of adding each of
    us as beneficiaries to our spouses holdings.

    1) If I pass away, would my wife run afoul by inheriting the bonds since
    she has already purchased the max?

    2) Are we better off just changing the title to both of us as joint owners?


    Mel

    You can inherit any amount. The amount inherited has no effect on the amount you can buy each year. If you want the bonds to go to your wife upon your death then just register them with her as the POD beneficiary. Ditto for her bonds if she wants them to
    go to you upon her death. You could also name her as a co-owner rather than as POD. In both instances the bonds are hers upon your death. The difference between the two titles is that a co-owner has the right to sell the bonds. A beneficiary has no
    ownership interest until the owner dies.

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  • From Not A Clue@21:1/5 to MZB on Mon Feb 6 15:31:34 2023
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 11:36:28 AM UTC-5, MZB wrote:
    For 3 years, my wife and I have purchased the max each year ($10K) of
    Series I US Savings Bonds.
    They are titled in each of our name. We are thinking of adding each of
    us as beneficiaries to our spouses holdings.

    1) If I pass away, would my wife run afoul by inheriting the bonds since
    she has already purchased the max?

    2) Are we better off just changing the title to both of us as joint owners?


    Likewise, I don't know the answer. However, you can get all the details from //thefinancebuff.com
    https://thefinancebuff.com/buy-i-bonds-as-gift.html https://thefinancebuff.com/i-bonds-beneficiary-vs-second-owner-treasury-direct.html
    If you think the rates will go down, you can stock up on gifts and gift it to your spouse when the rates are down. The relevant 1-, 5-, and 30-yr holding period starts with the day you buy the bonds as gifts. Also interest start accrual from that date.
    If you are interested, make sure you read all the comments. There are some debates as to whether that qualifies for the Annual Gift Exemption, etc.

    And if you have any questions not answered in the comments, you can ask on the web site.

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  • From Wilson@21:1/5 to Not A Clue on Tue Feb 7 10:21:55 2023
    On 2/6/2023 3:31 PM, Not A Clue wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 11:36:28 AM UTC-5, MZB wrote:
    For 3 years, my wife and I have purchased the max each year ($10K) of
    Series I US Savings Bonds.
    They are titled in each of our name. We are thinking of adding each of
    us as beneficiaries to our spouses holdings.

    1) If I pass away, would my wife run afoul by inheriting the bonds since
    she has already purchased the max?

    2) Are we better off just changing the title to both of us as joint owners?


    Likewise, I don't know the answer. However, you can get all the details from //thefinancebuff.com
    https://thefinancebuff.com/buy-i-bonds-as-gift.html https://thefinancebuff.com/i-bonds-beneficiary-vs-second-owner-treasury-direct.html
    If you think the rates will go down, you can stock up on gifts and gift it to your spouse when the rates are down. The relevant 1-, 5-, and 30-yr holding period starts with the day you buy the bonds as gifts. Also interest start accrual from that
    date. If you are interested, make sure you read all the comments. There are some debates as to whether that qualifies for the Annual Gift Exemption, etc.

    And if you have any questions not answered in the comments, you can ask on the web site.

    I could be wrong, but I don't think beneficiaries have to be probated. I'm thinking there must be a brokerage firm involved and they'll need to be identified if the other person dies.

    Good point as to death triggering ownership, whereas, joint ownership might allow either to sell their share at will. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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  • From Stuart O. Bronstein@21:1/5 to Wilson on Tue Feb 7 10:49:40 2023
    Wilson <nowhere@nearyou.com> wrote:
    Not A Clue wrote:
    MZB wrote:

    For 3 years, my wife and I have purchased the max each year
    ($10K) of Series I US Savings Bonds.
    They are titled in each of our name. We are thinking of adding
    each of us as beneficiaries to our spouses holdings.

    1) If I pass away, would my wife run afoul by inheriting the
    bonds since she has already purchased the max?

    2) Are we better off just changing the title to both of us as
    joint owners?


    Likewise, I don't know the answer. However, you can get all the
    details from //thefinancebuff.com
    https://thefinancebuff.com/buy-i-bonds-as-gift.html
    https://thefinancebuff.com/i-bonds-beneficiary-vs-second-owner-tre
    asury-direct.html If you think the rates will go down, you can
    stock up on gifts and gift it to your spouse when the rates are
    down. The relevant 1-, 5-, and 30-yr holding period starts with
    the day you buy the bonds as gifts. Also interest start accrual
    from that date. If you are interested, make sure you read all
    the comments. There are some debates as to whether that
    qualifies for the Annual Gift Exemption, etc.

    And if you have any questions not answered in the comments, you
    can ask on the web site.

    I could be wrong, but I don't think beneficiaries have to be
    probated. I'm thinking there must be a brokerage firm involved and
    they'll need to be identified if the other person dies.

    Yes, that's correct. But that has nothing to do with the tax issue,
    which is the same whether

    Good point as to death triggering ownership, whereas, joint
    ownership might allow either to sell their share at will. Correct
    me if I'm wrong.

    The rule used to be that a spouse or child inheriting an IRA could
    stretch the IRS - in other words take it out a bit at a time over
    their lifetimes, and only pay taxes when the company came out. Now a
    spouse can still take it out over his or her lifetime, but anyone
    else inheriting an IRA can stretch it for no longer than five years.


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  • From MZB@21:1/5 to Not A Clue on Tue Feb 7 10:21:11 2023
    On 2/6/2023 3:31 PM, Not A Clue wrote:
    On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 11:36:28 AM UTC-5, MZB wrote:
    For 3 years, my wife and I have purchased the max each year ($10K) of
    Series I US Savings Bonds.
    They are titled in each of our name. We are thinking of adding each of
    us as beneficiaries to our spouses holdings.

    1) If I pass away, would my wife run afoul by inheriting the bonds since
    she has already purchased the max?

    2) Are we better off just changing the title to both of us as joint owners?


    Likewise, I don't know the answer. However, you can get all the details from //thefinancebuff.com
    https://thefinancebuff.com/buy-i-bonds-as-gift.html https://thefinancebuff.com/i-bonds-beneficiary-vs-second-owner-treasury-direct.html
    If you think the rates will go down, you can stock up on gifts and gift it to your spouse when the rates are down. The relevant 1-, 5-, and 30-yr holding period starts with the day you buy the bonds as gifts. Also interest start accrual from that
    date. If you are interested, make sure you read all the comments. There are some debates as to whether that qualifies for the Annual Gift Exemption, etc.

    And if you have any questions not answered in the comments, you can ask on the web site.

    Thanks for all your responses. Clue, that 2nd link was perfect: it
    answered myriad questions and had further links telling me how to change registrations. It saved me a call to Direct (and probably 2 hours
    waiting to talk to a human!)

    Mel

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  • From Wilson@21:1/5 to Stuart O. Bronstein on Tue Feb 7 11:09:54 2023
    On 2/7/2023 10:49 AM, Stuart O. Bronstein wrote:
    Wilson <nowhere@nearyou.com> wrote:
    Not A Clue wrote:
    MZB wrote:

    For 3 years, my wife and I have purchased the max each year
    ($10K) of Series I US Savings Bonds.
    They are titled in each of our name. We are thinking of adding
    each of us as beneficiaries to our spouses holdings.

    1) If I pass away, would my wife run afoul by inheriting the
    bonds since she has already purchased the max?

    2) Are we better off just changing the title to both of us as
    joint owners?


    Likewise, I don't know the answer. However, you can get all the
    details from //thefinancebuff.com
    https://thefinancebuff.com/buy-i-bonds-as-gift.html
    https://thefinancebuff.com/i-bonds-beneficiary-vs-second-owner-tre
    asury-direct.html If you think the rates will go down, you can
    stock up on gifts and gift it to your spouse when the rates are
    down. The relevant 1-, 5-, and 30-yr holding period starts with
    the day you buy the bonds as gifts. Also interest start accrual
    from that date. If you are interested, make sure you read all
    the comments. There are some debates as to whether that
    qualifies for the Annual Gift Exemption, etc.

    And if you have any questions not answered in the comments, you
    can ask on the web site.

    I could be wrong, but I don't think beneficiaries have to be
    probated. I'm thinking there must be a brokerage firm involved and
    they'll need to be identified if the other person dies.

    Yes, that's correct. But that has nothing to do with the tax issue,
    which is the same whether

    Good point as to death triggering ownership, whereas, joint
    ownership might allow either to sell their share at will. Correct
    me if I'm wrong.

    The rule used to be that a spouse or child inheriting an IRA could
    stretch the IRS - in other words take it out a bit at a time over
    their lifetimes, and only pay taxes when the company came out. Now a
    spouse can still take it out over his or her lifetime, but anyone
    else inheriting an IRA can stretch it for no longer than five years.


    Thanks Stuart.

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