• RMD for deceased taxpayer

    From scott s.@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 6 16:09:16 2022
    A family member (97) recently passed away with a traditional IRA. I have
    been doing his returns. He did not take his 2022 RMD as of date of
    death. What do I have to do to avoid penalty? His residence (Hawaii) is
    slow in providing death certificates, which I assume is needed before his
    IRA can be turned over to the beneficiaries. The IRA owner was widowed
    and the benficiaries are his adult children. His RMD for 2022 is pretty
    big (around $30k).

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 7 10:56:39 2022
    According to scott s. <75270_3703a@csi.xcom>:
    A family member (97) recently passed away with a traditional IRA. I have >been doing his returns. He did not take his 2022 RMD as of date of
    death. What do I have to do to avoid penalty?

    The IRS says

    For the year of the account owner's death, use the RMD the account
    owner would have received. For the year following the owner's death,
    the RMD will depend on the identity of the designated beneficiary.

    If the IRA custodian doesn't know he's dead and you have no way to
    tell them before the end of the year, I suppose you could pretend to
    be him and just take the RMD and put it in the estate's account. It's
    not like you would be defrauding anyone.

    Also, this must happen all the time. Perhaps you could call the custodian
    and ask how they deal with this.

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  • From Tempuser@21:1/5 to scott s. on Mon Nov 7 13:46:10 2022
    On 11/6/22 1:09 PM, scott s. wrote:
    A family member (97) recently passed away with a traditional IRA. I have been doing his returns. He did not take his 2022 RMD as of date of
    death. What do I have to do to avoid penalty? His residence (Hawaii) is slow in providing death certificates, which I assume is needed before his
    IRA can be turned over to the beneficiaries. The IRA owner was widowed
    and the benficiaries are his adult children. His RMD for 2022 is pretty
    big (around $30k).

    The beneficiaries are required to take the decedents RMD no later than 12/31/2022. The funeral director is required by law to send the
    electronic death certificate to the Hawaii Dept. of Health. Most states
    require this to be done within 3 to 7 days. It is highly likely that a
    death certificate will be available before year-end.

    The IRA trustee does require proof of death before the distribution to
    the beneficiaries can be made. If it looks like the Health Dept.
    certificate will not be received in time to get the distribution, I
    advise you to have the funeral director print a copy of their electronic submission and sign it. You could then use that to have the trustee
    make the distributions to the beneficiaries before year-end.

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    https://taxtopics.net

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  • From Bob Sandler@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 8 22:55:29 2022
    A family member (97) recently passed away with a traditional IRA.
    I have been doing his returns. He did not take his 2022 RMD as of
    date of death. What do I have to do to avoid penalty? His
    residence (Hawaii) is slow in providing death certificates, which I
    assume is needed before his IRA can be turned over to the
    beneficiaries. The IRA owner was widowed and the benficiaries are
    his adult children. His RMD for 2022 is pretty big (around $30k).

    The beneficiaries are required to take the decedents RMD no later
    than 12/31/2022. The funeral director is required by law to send
    the electronic death certificate to the Hawaii Dept. of Health. Most
    states require this to be done within 3 to 7 days. It is highly
    likely that a death certificate will be available before year-end.

    The IRA trustee does require proof of death before the distribution
    to the beneficiaries can be made. If it looks like the Health Dept.
    certificate will not be received in time to get the distribution, I
    advise you to have the funeral director print a copy of their
    electronic submission and sign it. You could then use that to have
    the trustee make the distributions to the beneficiaries before
    year-end.


    Thanks to you and John Levine

    I did find while searching a statement that IRS will waive penalty for
    late RMD in year of death if RMD is taken by filing date with extensions
    so it sounds like I don't absolutely have to get it resolved by 12-31.

    If the beneficiaries take the 2022 RMD after December 31 it
    will be taxable in 2023, not in 2022. It will be included in
    each beneficiary's 2023 Form 1099-R, together with the 2023
    RMD that they take. So they will paying tax on two years'
    RMDs in one year.

    Bob Sandler

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  • From scott s.@21:1/5 to Tempuser on Tue Nov 8 22:19:44 2022
    Tempuser <tempuser@vacationmail.com> wrote in news:tkbjp4$173l$1@gioia.aioe.org:

    On 11/6/22 1:09 PM, scott s. wrote:
    A family member (97) recently passed away with a traditional IRA.
    I have been doing his returns. He did not take his 2022 RMD as of
    date of death. What do I have to do to avoid penalty? His
    residence (Hawaii) is slow in providing death certificates, which I
    assume is needed before his IRA can be turned over to the
    beneficiaries. The IRA owner was widowed and the benficiaries are
    his adult children. His RMD for 2022 is pretty big (around $30k).

    The beneficiaries are required to take the decedents RMD no later
    than 12/31/2022. The funeral director is required by law to send
    the electronic death certificate to the Hawaii Dept. of Health. Most
    states require this to be done within 3 to 7 days. It is highly
    likely that a death certificate will be available before year-end.

    The IRA trustee does require proof of death before the distribution
    to the beneficiaries can be made. If it looks like the Health Dept. certificate will not be received in time to get the distribution, I
    advise you to have the funeral director print a copy of their
    electronic submission and sign it. You could then use that to have
    the trustee make the distributions to the beneficiaries before
    year-end.


    Thanks to you and John Levine

    I did find while searching a statement that IRS will waive penalty for
    late RMD in year of death if RMD is taken by filing date with extensions
    so it sounds like I don't absolutely have to get it resolved by 12-31.

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    << that may be imposed upon the taxpayer. >>
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