• Carbon Tax --> public transit

    From David Dalton@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 21 18:44:30 2024
    XPost: can.taxes, alt.politics.greens, edm.general
    XPost: winnipeg.general, alt.religion.druid

    (Canada)

    Instead of the federal government giving back much of the Carbon
    Tax in rebates, they should direct the money to improving public
    transit nationally, including in rural areas.

    For example, in recent years there has been a loss of Greyhound
    in Western Canada, and that contributes to the ongoing crisis
    of missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, since
    many of them resort to hitchhiking.

    On a local (Newfoundland) basis, several years ago there was
    a loss of Fleetline bus, which used to operate on the coastal
    Conception Bay Highway between St. John's and Conception
    Bay North, and which was a valuable service fo students
    travelling home for the weekend and for seniors and others
    going into the city for medical appointments or shopping.

    But of course there could also be an improvement in public
    transit in urban (including small cities) and suburban areas.

    And indeed, the planned transition to electric cars
    is not practical; instead (or as well) there must be a
    rapid evolution of private cars to public transit, probably
    including shared/communal cars in less dense areas.

    And I think the NDP and Green Party would support the
    LIberals in such an initiative, maybe even to the extent of
    forming a coalition before the next election.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) “And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
    And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand" (Ferron)

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  • From Sharx335@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Thu Mar 21 15:31:09 2024
    XPost: can.taxes, alt.politics.greens, edm.general
    XPost: winnipeg.general, alt.religion.druid

    On 2024-03-21 3:14 p.m., David Dalton wrote:
    (Canada)

    Instead of the federal government giving back much of the Carbon
    Tax in rebates, they should direct the money to improving public
    transit nationally, including in rural areas.

    For example, in recent years there has been a loss of Greyhound
    in Western Canada, and that contributes to the ongoing crisis
    of missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, since
    many of them resort to hitchhiking.

    On a local (Newfoundland) basis, several years ago there was
    a loss of Fleetline bus, which used to operate on the coastal
    Conception Bay Highway between St. John's and Conception
    Bay North, and which was a valuable service fo students
    travelling home for the weekend and for seniors and others
    going into the city for medical appointments or shopping.

    But of course there could also be an improvement in public
    transit in urban (including small cities) and suburban areas.

    And indeed, the planned transition to electric cars
    is not practical; instead (or as well) there must be a
    rapid evolution of private cars to public transit, probably
    including shared/communal cars in less dense areas.

    And I think the NDP and Green Party would support the
    LIberals in such an initiative, maybe even to the extent of
    forming a coalition before the next election.

    Hell will freeze over before *I* "evolve" to public transit. It's
    inconvenient, slow, not safe and takes a lot longer to get anywhere. 
    Time for you eco-nuts to wake up and stop being so naive. The sky is NOT falling. Climates have always been changing.  The best PRACTICAL way to
    deal with so-called apocalyptic climate change is to reduce population
    growth and to ADAPT, repeat ADAPT, and not to beggar the economies of
    western nations. ANd look carefully at the lifestyles of your
    hypocritical leaders, e.g. Trudeau, AL Gore, and the king of hypocrites,
    David Suzuki.

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  • From RJH@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 22 01:40:20 2024
    XPost: alt.politics.greens, alt.religion.druid, can.taxes
    XPost: edm.general, winnipeg.general

    On 21 Mar 2024 at 21:31:09 GMT, Sharx335 wrote:

    On 2024-03-21 3:14 p.m., David Dalton wrote:
    (Canada)

    Instead of the federal government giving back much of the Carbon
    Tax in rebates, they should direct the money to improving public
    transit nationally, including in rural areas.

    For example, in recent years there has been a loss of Greyhound
    in Western Canada, and that contributes to the ongoing crisis
    of missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, since
    many of them resort to hitchhiking.

    On a local (Newfoundland) basis, several years ago there was
    a loss of Fleetline bus, which used to operate on the coastal
    Conception Bay Highway between St. John's and Conception
    Bay North, and which was a valuable service fo students
    travelling home for the weekend and for seniors and others
    going into the city for medical appointments or shopping.

    But of course there could also be an improvement in public
    transit in urban (including small cities) and suburban areas.

    And indeed, the planned transition to electric cars
    is not practical; instead (or as well) there must be a
    rapid evolution of private cars to public transit, probably
    including shared/communal cars in less dense areas.

    And I think the NDP and Green Party would support the
    LIberals in such an initiative, maybe even to the extent of
    forming a coalition before the next election.

    Hell will freeze over before *I* "evolve" to public transit. It's inconvenient, slow, not safe and takes a lot longer to get anywhere.

    In several European countries (and a few others) it's nothing of the sort. So decent public transport *can* be done.

    Time for you eco-nuts to wake up and stop being so naive. The sky is NOT falling. Climates have always been changing. The best PRACTICAL way to
    deal with so-called apocalyptic climate change is to reduce population
    growth and to ADAPT, repeat ADAPT, and not to beggar the economies of
    western nations. ANd look carefully at the lifestyles of your
    hypocritical leaders, e.g. Trudeau, AL Gore, and the king of hypocrites, David Suzuki.

    Partly right, for the wrong reasons (IMVHO).

    --
    Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 21 23:16:06 2024
    XPost: can.taxes, alt.politics.greens, edm.general
    XPost: winnipeg.general, alt.religion.druid

    On Mar 21, 2024, Sharx335 wrote
    (in article <uti8us$2eljf$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 2024-03-21 3:14 p.m., David Dalton wrote:
    (Canada)

    Instead of the federal government giving back much of the Carbon
    Tax in rebates, they should direct the money to improving public
    transit nationally, including in rural areas.

    For example, in recent years there has been a loss of Greyhound
    in Western Canada, and that contributes to the ongoing crisis
    of missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, since
    many of them resort to hitchhiking.

    On a local (Newfoundland) basis, several years ago there was
    a loss of Fleetline bus, which used to operate on the coastal
    Conception Bay Highway between St. John's and Conception
    Bay North, and which was a valuable service fo students
    travelling home for the weekend and for seniors and others
    going into the city for medical appointments or shopping.

    But of course there could also be an improvement in public
    transit in urban (including small cities) and suburban areas.

    And indeed, the planned transition to electric cars
    is not practical; instead (or as well) there must be a
    rapid evolution of private cars to public transit, probably
    including shared/communal cars in less dense areas.

    And I think the NDP and Green Party would support the
    LIberals in such an initiative, maybe even to the extent of
    forming a coalition before the next election.

    Hell will freeze over before *I* "evolve" to public transit. It's inconvenient, slow, not safe and takes a lot longer to get anywhere.
    Time for you eco-nuts to wake up and stop being so naive. The sky is NOT falling. Climates have always been changing. The best PRACTICAL way to
    deal with so-called apocalyptic climate change is to reduce population
    growth and to ADAPT, repeat ADAPT, and not to beggar the economies of
    western nations. ANd look carefully at the lifestyles of your
    hypocritical leaders, e.g. Trudeau, AL Gore, and the king of hypocrites, David Suzuki.

    I don’t mean current public transit, but an improved system
    made feasible partly by increased usage.

    Eventually I was thinking along the lines of a hyperloop
    system backbone, perhaps partly funded by Elon Musk.
    However there may need to be other short-term options.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) “And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
    And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand" (Ferron)

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