bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 1:11 PM:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:48:58 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe wrote: >>> 'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!
I expect a slew of court challenges to these mandates and I expect
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M
unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on two-thirds of ALL
workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
President Joe Biden slammed the 80 million Americans who have yet
to get a COVD vaccine shot, asking them 'what more is there to wait for' >>>
'We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin. And your
refusal has cost all of us,' he said
He ended his nearly 30 minute speech with a whispered plea: 'Get
vaccinated'
Biden announced an aggressive new plan to get 100 million employees
across the federal government and private sector vaccinated
Labor Department to issue a temporary order to require all
businesses with 100 or more employees to have them vaccinated or tested
weekly
Biden will require all federal workers to be vaccinated
Workers will not be given the option of testing out
There will be limited exceptions but any federal employee who
refuses the shot can be fired, White House press secretary Jen Psaki
said Thursday
Federal employees and contractors will have 75 days to get vaccinated
Biden's remarks come as COVID cases continue to rise due to Delta
variant
[continue . . . . . . ]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
some of them to be upheld. I'm not a lawyer so I'm not going to
pretend to know how much power the President has to do the things he
is proposing. The courts are going to have the final say on these
matters.
I think it would be easier just to say to the unvaccinated, "If you
get deathly ill, the government isn't going to do anything to help
you. You're on your own. If you die, you die.".
I am sure there is nothing in the Constitution that forbid vaccination mandate. I have heard that US soldiers have to take all kinds of
preventive vaccines.
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:48:58 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe wrote:say on these matters.
'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!I expect a slew of court challenges to these mandates and I expect some of them to be upheld. I'm not a lawyer so I'm not going to pretend to know how much power the President has to do the things he is proposing. The courts are going to have the final
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M
unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on two-thirds of ALL
workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
President Joe Biden slammed the 80 million Americans who have yet
to get a COVD vaccine shot, asking them 'what more is there to wait for'
'We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin. And your
refusal has cost all of us,' he said
He ended his nearly 30 minute speech with a whispered plea: 'Get
vaccinated'
Biden announced an aggressive new plan to get 100 million employees
across the federal government and private sector vaccinated
Labor Department to issue a temporary order to require all
businesses with 100 or more employees to have them vaccinated or tested
weekly
Biden will require all federal workers to be vaccinated
Workers will not be given the option of testing out
There will be limited exceptions but any federal employee who
refuses the shot can be fired, White House press secretary Jen Psaki
said Thursday
Federal employees and contractors will have 75 days to get vaccinated
Biden's remarks come as COVID cases continue to rise due to Delta
variant
[continue . . . . . . ]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
I think it would be easier just to say to the unvaccinated, "If you get deathly ill, the government isn't going to do anything to help you. You're on your own. If you die, you die.".
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 1:23:46 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe wrote:final say on these matters.
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 1:11 PM:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:48:58 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe wrote: >>>> 'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!
I expect a slew of court challenges to these mandates and I expect some of them to be upheld. I'm not a lawyer so I'm not going to pretend to know how much power the President has to do the things he is proposing. The courts are going to have the
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M
unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on two-thirds of ALL >>>> workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
President Joe Biden slammed the 80 million Americans who have yet
to get a COVD vaccine shot, asking them 'what more is there to wait for' >>>>
'We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin. And your
refusal has cost all of us,' he said
He ended his nearly 30 minute speech with a whispered plea: 'Get
vaccinated'
Biden announced an aggressive new plan to get 100 million employees
across the federal government and private sector vaccinated
Labor Department to issue a temporary order to require all
businesses with 100 or more employees to have them vaccinated or tested >>>> weekly
Biden will require all federal workers to be vaccinated
Workers will not be given the option of testing out
There will be limited exceptions but any federal employee who
refuses the shot can be fired, White House press secretary Jen Psaki
said Thursday
Federal employees and contractors will have 75 days to get vaccinated
Biden's remarks come as COVID cases continue to rise due to Delta
variant
[continue . . . . . . ]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
work.That might be the problem. The Tenth Amendment says any powers not specifically granted to the federal government belong to the states and the people. The default is the government doesn't have the power to do it. That at least is how it is supposed toI am sure there is nothing in the Constitution that forbid vaccination
I think it would be easier just to say to the unvaccinated, "If you get deathly ill, the government isn't going to do anything to help you. You're on your own. If you die, you die.".
mandate.
The Tenth Amendment has had a de facto repeal due to the dereliction of duties by past Supreme Courts. The federal government does far more than the Constitution authorizes. Perhaps with five reliable conservatives on the court that might change but I'll believe it when I see it.
vaccinated. Not sure he has the same power over civilians.I have heard that US soldiers have to take all kinds ofSoldiers give up much of their Constitutional liberties when they enlist. For one they become subject to military justice. The right of free speech also gets curtailed. I would bet that as Commander-in-Chief, Biden can order military personnel to get
preventive vaccines. I am sure the federal government has the right to
mandate vaccination to its employees as a condition of employment.
coronavirus.This article has some precedents of federal government forcing vaccineNote the key word below the title of the article. OPINION. The writers have their opinion. Others have an opposing opinion. In the end it will be the opinion of the courts that carries the day.
on people:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/25/opinions/unvaccinated-cant-use-constitutional-rights-excuse-hamilton-offit/index.html
For this last argument to carry weight, it needs to be established that the unvaccinated are putting the lives of children and adults at risk. That would be a hard case to make since it is rare for children to develop serious illnesses from the
You do not have the 'constitutional right' to refuse the Covid-19 vaccine
(CNN)Now that the US Food and Drug Administration has approved the
Pfizer/ BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine for people age 16 and older, it's time
for all governments across the country to mandate the vaccine for people
taking part in indoor activities. There are no more valid excuses for
not being vaccinated other than health reasons.
One frequently heard pushback against vaccine mandates is that there is
a "constitutional right" to choose whether to be vaccinated or not for
adults and a right to determine whether children can be vaccinated. That
is a non-starter in the midst of a pandemic.
The Constitution is not a suicide pact guaranteeing a right to harm
others. The government has latitude to protect citizens from deadly
conditions, especially when the science supporting vaccination is so clear. >>
The bioethicist, professor Arthur Caplan of New York University, has
made a compelling case for the moral mandate to require vaccination.
Appearing with New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio in a news briefing
last month to address the city mandating vaccines for all municipal
workers, he argued that the new policy "makes good, ethical and public
health sense" and that "it will help all of us by keeping the COVID
outbreak controlled."
We agree, but also believe that the public needs to better understand
that there is no constitutional right to avoid vaccine mandates against
a deadly disease.
With respect to children, parents do not have carte blanche. At one
time, children were the property of their fathers, but that is no longer
the case. Children are "persons" under the Constitution, and as the
ruling in Prince v. Massachusetts held, parents do not have a
constitutional right to make martyrs of their children. Parents have an
obligation to protect their children's health and life, which means that
the school district mandates that reduce the risk of death to children
should be enforceable, period.
Those challenging the government mandates are likely to invoke their
rights under the First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments, which protect
speech, religion, and a right not to "be deprived of life, liberty, or
property, without due process of law." Their view ends up as a snapshot
of themselves; nonetheless, rights can be limited if a person is
endangering another.
It's a sentiment that came up in the 1905 Supreme Court decision in the
case Jacobson v. Massachusetts. The court ruled against a man who had
refused to be vaccinated against smallpox, stating: "Real liberty for
all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes
the right of each individual person to use his own (liberty), whether in
respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may
be done to others." That same principle was apparent when Justice Amy
Coney Barrett, who is thought to be a strong rights-advocate, left
standing Indiana University's vaccine mandate.
The government may prohibit otherwise constitutionally protected conduct
to save the lives of others.
For example, it is well-settled that governments can ban yelling "Fire"
in a crowded theater, because such speech can lead to death as attendees
race to the exits. True, the First Amendment's Speech Clause protects
the "freedom of speech," but there is no requirement that the government
can't prevent scenarios likely leading to death.
The same reasoning applies to vaccine mandates. The Supreme Court
explicitly upheld vaccine mandates against deadly diseases in Jacobson,
where it explained: "the rights of the individual in respect of his
liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected
to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the
safety of the general public may demand." We live in a country of
ordered liberty, not individual autonomy that paves the way to the
deaths of others. In short, it is not the right of every American
citizen to catch and transmit a potentially fatal infection.
We would posit, further, that governments that don't mandate vaccination
against Covid-19 are skating very close to violating the standard for a
constitutional right to "life" without due process. If a government does
not take reasonable action to prevent the likely deaths of so many
people, there will be more lawsuits. Already, we've seen schools filing
lawsuits against former Trump administration officials and individuals
suing the World Health Organization contending that they mishandled the
Covid-19 response.
The depth of the science and the worldwide experience show plainly that
vaccination is the best protection from this pandemic, and that the
faster we reach herd immunity the more likely it will be that people
won't die from this virus, hospitals won't be overburdened, and the
economy will fully recover.
It is reckless at this point for the government not to mandate
vaccination. Some politicians have falsely told Americans that they have
a constitutional right to refuse vaccination. This is a license to
potentially infect others with a deadly disease when the Supreme Court
has consistently held otherwise.
Children and adults have a constitutional right to "life" that can only
be protected if there is mass vaccination. It's time for state and local
governments to issue vaccine mandates and fines -- as New York and San
Francisco have -- before this virus mutates into an even more elusive
killer than it already is.
Ditto for vaccinated adults. It seems to me the only people unvaccinated people are putting at risk is other unvaccinated people.
I'm not sure the courts will see this as a compelling argument in favor of mandatory vaccinations. It SCOTUS takes up the case, I would bet the current court would strike down mandatory vaccinations.
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 4:52:57 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe wrote:final say on these matters.
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 4:27 PM:
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 1:23:46 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe wrote: >>>> bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 1:11 PM:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:48:58 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe wrote: >>>>>> 'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!
I expect a slew of court challenges to these mandates and I expect some of them to be upheld. I'm not a lawyer so I'm not going to pretend to know how much power the President has to do the things he is proposing. The courts are going to have the
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M
unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on two-thirds of ALL >>>>>> workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
President Joe Biden slammed the 80 million Americans who have yet
to get a COVD vaccine shot, asking them 'what more is there to wait for' >>>>>>
'We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin. And your
refusal has cost all of us,' he said
He ended his nearly 30 minute speech with a whispered plea: 'Get
vaccinated'
Biden announced an aggressive new plan to get 100 million employees >>>>>> across the federal government and private sector vaccinated
Labor Department to issue a temporary order to require all
businesses with 100 or more employees to have them vaccinated or tested >>>>>> weekly
Biden will require all federal workers to be vaccinated
Workers will not be given the option of testing out
There will be limited exceptions but any federal employee who
refuses the shot can be fired, White House press secretary Jen Psaki >>>>>> said Thursday
Federal employees and contractors will have 75 days to get vaccinated >>>>>>
Biden's remarks come as COVID cases continue to rise due to Delta
variant
[continue . . . . . . ]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
to work.That might be the problem. The Tenth Amendment says any powers not specifically granted to the federal government belong to the states and the people. The default is the government doesn't have the power to do it. That at least is how it is supposedI am sure there is nothing in the Constitution that forbid vaccination >>>> mandate.
I think it would be easier just to say to the unvaccinated, "If you get deathly ill, the government isn't going to do anything to help you. You're on your own. If you die, you die.".
Has any state or individual been able to use that to nullify the VietnamArticle 1, Section 8 gives Congress the power to raise an army.
conscription (the draft)?
"To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;"
I'll believe it when I see it.The Tenth Amendment has had a de facto repeal due to the dereliction of duties by past Supreme Courts. The federal government does far more than the Constitution authorizes. Perhaps with five reliable conservatives on the court that might change but
vaccinated. Not sure he has the same power over civilians.
I have heard that US soldiers have to take all kinds ofSoldiers give up much of their Constitutional liberties when they enlist. For one they become subject to military justice. The right of free speech also gets curtailed. I would bet that as Commander-in-Chief, Biden can order military personnel to get
preventive vaccines. I am sure the federal government has the right to >>>> mandate vaccination to its employees as a condition of employment.
coronavirus.The federal government is the employer of federal employees. TheGovernments don't have rights. Governments have powers. Under the Constitution, the federal government has limited powers. Whether they have the power to force an employee to get vaccinated will be a question for the courts to decide.
employer has the right to demand from the employees proof of vaccination.
This article has some precedents of federal government forcing vaccine >>>> on people:Note the key word below the title of the article. OPINION. The writers have their opinion. Others have an opposing opinion. In the end it will be the opinion of the courts that carries the day.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/25/opinions/unvaccinated-cant-use-constitutional-rights-excuse-hamilton-offit/index.html
You do not have the 'constitutional right' to refuse the Covid-19 vaccine >>>>For this last argument to carry weight, it needs to be established that the unvaccinated are putting the lives of children and adults at risk. That would be a hard case to make since it is rare for children to develop serious illnesses from the
(CNN)Now that the US Food and Drug Administration has approved the
Pfizer/ BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine for people age 16 and older, it's time >>>> for all governments across the country to mandate the vaccine for people >>>> taking part in indoor activities. There are no more valid excuses for
not being vaccinated other than health reasons.
One frequently heard pushback against vaccine mandates is that there is >>>> a "constitutional right" to choose whether to be vaccinated or not for >>>> adults and a right to determine whether children can be vaccinated. That >>>> is a non-starter in the midst of a pandemic.
The Constitution is not a suicide pact guaranteeing a right to harm
others. The government has latitude to protect citizens from deadly
conditions, especially when the science supporting vaccination is so clear.
The bioethicist, professor Arthur Caplan of New York University, has
made a compelling case for the moral mandate to require vaccination.
Appearing with New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio in a news briefing
last month to address the city mandating vaccines for all municipal
workers, he argued that the new policy "makes good, ethical and public >>>> health sense" and that "it will help all of us by keeping the COVID
outbreak controlled."
We agree, but also believe that the public needs to better understand
that there is no constitutional right to avoid vaccine mandates against >>>> a deadly disease.
With respect to children, parents do not have carte blanche. At one
time, children were the property of their fathers, but that is no longer >>>> the case. Children are "persons" under the Constitution, and as the
ruling in Prince v. Massachusetts held, parents do not have a
constitutional right to make martyrs of their children. Parents have an >>>> obligation to protect their children's health and life, which means that >>>> the school district mandates that reduce the risk of death to children >>>> should be enforceable, period.
Those challenging the government mandates are likely to invoke their
rights under the First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments, which protect >>>> speech, religion, and a right not to "be deprived of life, liberty, or >>>> property, without due process of law." Their view ends up as a snapshot >>>> of themselves; nonetheless, rights can be limited if a person is
endangering another.
It's a sentiment that came up in the 1905 Supreme Court decision in the >>>> case Jacobson v. Massachusetts. The court ruled against a man who had
refused to be vaccinated against smallpox, stating: "Real liberty for
all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes >>>> the right of each individual person to use his own (liberty), whether in >>>> respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may >>>> be done to others." That same principle was apparent when Justice Amy
Coney Barrett, who is thought to be a strong rights-advocate, left
standing Indiana University's vaccine mandate.
The government may prohibit otherwise constitutionally protected conduct >>>> to save the lives of others.
For example, it is well-settled that governments can ban yelling "Fire" >>>> in a crowded theater, because such speech can lead to death as attendees >>>> race to the exits. True, the First Amendment's Speech Clause protects
the "freedom of speech," but there is no requirement that the government >>>> can't prevent scenarios likely leading to death.
The same reasoning applies to vaccine mandates. The Supreme Court
explicitly upheld vaccine mandates against deadly diseases in Jacobson, >>>> where it explained: "the rights of the individual in respect of his
liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected >>>> to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the
safety of the general public may demand." We live in a country of
ordered liberty, not individual autonomy that paves the way to the
deaths of others. In short, it is not the right of every American
citizen to catch and transmit a potentially fatal infection.
We would posit, further, that governments that don't mandate vaccination >>>> against Covid-19 are skating very close to violating the standard for a >>>> constitutional right to "life" without due process. If a government does >>>> not take reasonable action to prevent the likely deaths of so many
people, there will be more lawsuits. Already, we've seen schools filing >>>> lawsuits against former Trump administration officials and individuals >>>> suing the World Health Organization contending that they mishandled the >>>> Covid-19 response.
The depth of the science and the worldwide experience show plainly that >>>> vaccination is the best protection from this pandemic, and that the
faster we reach herd immunity the more likely it will be that people
won't die from this virus, hospitals won't be overburdened, and the
economy will fully recover.
It is reckless at this point for the government not to mandate
vaccination. Some politicians have falsely told Americans that they have >>>> a constitutional right to refuse vaccination. This is a license to
potentially infect others with a deadly disease when the Supreme Court >>>> has consistently held otherwise.
Children and adults have a constitutional right to "life" that can only >>>> be protected if there is mass vaccination. It's time for state and local >>>> governments to issue vaccine mandates and fines -- as New York and San >>>> Francisco have -- before this virus mutates into an even more elusive
killer than it already is.
masks, or social distancing as a remedy for that.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9978835/Mississippi-health-officials-say-stillbirths-unvaccinated-pregnant-women-DOUBLED.htmlAre you going to argue that a fetus has a right to life? That would run contrary to Roe v. Wade.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9978343/Girl-dies-sleep-day-testing-positive-COVID-unvaccinated-parents.htmlIt's going to take more than anecdotal evidence to establish that unvaccinated people pose a significant health risk to children. Seasonal flu is a much greater risk to young children. 188 deaths in the 2019-2020 season. We've never mandated flu shots,
It doesn't help your case to at once argue that vaccines should be mandatory and then turn around and point out that vaccinated people can still die from the disease.Ditto for vaccinated adults. It seems to me the only people unvaccinated people are putting at risk is other unvaccinated people.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9978503/Covid-vaccine-effectiveness-against-infection-fell-91-78-Delta-dominant.html
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 6:43 PM:
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 4:52:57 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 4:27 PM:Article 1, Section 8 gives Congress the power to raise an army.
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 1:23:46 PM UTC-4, Mighty WannabeHas any state or individual been able to use that to nullify the
wrote:
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 1:11 PM:That might be the problem. The Tenth Amendment says any powers not
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:48:58 PM UTC-4, MightyI am sure there is nothing in the Constitution that forbid
Wannabe wrote:
'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!I expect a slew of court challenges to these mandates and I
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M
unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on two-thirds >>>>>>> of ALL
workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
President Joe Biden slammed the 80 million Americans who have yet >>>>>>> to get a COVD vaccine shot, asking them 'what more is there to
wait for'
'We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin. And your
refusal has cost all of us,' he said
He ended his nearly 30 minute speech with a whispered plea: 'Get >>>>>>> vaccinated'
Biden announced an aggressive new plan to get 100 million employees >>>>>>> across the federal government and private sector vaccinated
Labor Department to issue a temporary order to require all
businesses with 100 or more employees to have them vaccinated or >>>>>>> tested
weekly
Biden will require all federal workers to be vaccinated
Workers will not be given the option of testing out
There will be limited exceptions but any federal employee who
refuses the shot can be fired, White House press secretary Jen
Psaki
said Thursday
Federal employees and contractors will have 75 days to get
vaccinated
Biden's remarks come as COVID cases continue to rise due to Delta >>>>>>> variant
[continue . . . . . . ]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
expect some of them to be upheld. I'm not a lawyer so I'm not
going to pretend to know how much power the President has to do
the things he is proposing. The courts are going to have the
final say on these matters.
I think it would be easier just to say to the unvaccinated, "If
you get deathly ill, the government isn't going to do anything to
help you. You're on your own. If you die, you die.".
vaccination
mandate.
specifically granted to the federal government belong to the states
and the people. The default is the government doesn't have the
power to do it. That at least is how it is supposed to work.
Vietnam
conscription (the draft)?
"To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that
Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;"
I think the original purpose of Article 1, Section 8 is that the
United States was not supposed to have a standing army, so the
Congress can "raise an army" when needed, but it doesn't mean the
Congress can do it through conscription.
"Raise an army" is not the same as "conscription".
When you are authorized to "raise some funds" doesn't mean you can
grab money from other people's pockets.
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir to create new variantsGovernments don't have rights. Governments have powers. Under theThe Tenth Amendment has had a de facto repeal due to theThe federal government is the employer of federal employees. The
dereliction of duties by past Supreme Courts. The federal
government does far more than the Constitution authorizes. Perhaps
with five reliable conservatives on the court that might change but
I'll believe it when I see it.
I have heard that US soldiers have to take all kinds ofSoldiers give up much of their Constitutional liberties when they
preventive vaccines. I am sure the federal government has the
right to
mandate vaccination to its employees as a condition of employment.
enlist. For one they become subject to military justice. The right
of free speech also gets curtailed. I would bet that as
Commander-in-Chief, Biden can order military personnel to get
vaccinated. Not sure he has the same power over civilians.
employer has the right to demand from the employees proof of
vaccination.
Constitution, the federal government has limited powers. Whether they
have the power to force an employee to get vaccinated will be a
question for the courts to decide.
Are you going to argue that a fetus has a right to life? That wouldhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9978835/Mississippi-health-officials-say-stillbirths-unvaccinated-pregnant-women-DOUBLED.htmlThis article has some precedents of federal government forcingNote the key word below the title of the article. OPINION. The
vaccine
on people:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/25/opinions/unvaccinated-cant-use-constitutional-rights-excuse-hamilton-offit/index.html
writers have their opinion. Others have an opposing opinion. In the
end it will be the opinion of the courts that carries the day.
You do not have the 'constitutional right' to refuse the Covid-19For this last argument to carry weight, it needs to be established
vaccine
(CNN)Now that the US Food and Drug Administration has approved the
Pfizer/ BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine for people age 16 and older,
it's time
for all governments across the country to mandate the vaccine for
people
taking part in indoor activities. There are no more valid excuses for >>>>> not being vaccinated other than health reasons.
One frequently heard pushback against vaccine mandates is that
there is
a "constitutional right" to choose whether to be vaccinated or not
for
adults and a right to determine whether children can be
vaccinated. That
is a non-starter in the midst of a pandemic.
The Constitution is not a suicide pact guaranteeing a right to harm
others. The government has latitude to protect citizens from deadly
conditions, especially when the science supporting vaccination is
so clear.
The bioethicist, professor Arthur Caplan of New York University, has >>>>> made a compelling case for the moral mandate to require vaccination. >>>>> Appearing with New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio in a news briefing >>>>> last month to address the city mandating vaccines for all municipal
workers, he argued that the new policy "makes good, ethical and
public
health sense" and that "it will help all of us by keeping the COVID
outbreak controlled."
We agree, but also believe that the public needs to better understand >>>>> that there is no constitutional right to avoid vaccine mandates
against
a deadly disease.
With respect to children, parents do not have carte blanche. At one
time, children were the property of their fathers, but that is no
longer
the case. Children are "persons" under the Constitution, and as the
ruling in Prince v. Massachusetts held, parents do not have a
constitutional right to make martyrs of their children. Parents
have an
obligation to protect their children's health and life, which
means that
the school district mandates that reduce the risk of death to
children
should be enforceable, period.
Those challenging the government mandates are likely to invoke their >>>>> rights under the First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments, which
protect
speech, religion, and a right not to "be deprived of life,
liberty, or
property, without due process of law." Their view ends up as a
snapshot
of themselves; nonetheless, rights can be limited if a person is
endangering another.
It's a sentiment that came up in the 1905 Supreme Court decision
in the
case Jacobson v. Massachusetts. The court ruled against a man who had >>>>> refused to be vaccinated against smallpox, stating: "Real liberty for >>>>> all could not exist under the operation of a principle which
recognizes
the right of each individual person to use his own (liberty),
whether in
respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury
that may
be done to others." That same principle was apparent when Justice Amy >>>>> Coney Barrett, who is thought to be a strong rights-advocate, left
standing Indiana University's vaccine mandate.
The government may prohibit otherwise constitutionally protected
conduct
to save the lives of others.
For example, it is well-settled that governments can ban yelling
"Fire"
in a crowded theater, because such speech can lead to death as
attendees
race to the exits. True, the First Amendment's Speech Clause protects >>>>> the "freedom of speech," but there is no requirement that the
government
can't prevent scenarios likely leading to death.
The same reasoning applies to vaccine mandates. The Supreme Court
explicitly upheld vaccine mandates against deadly diseases in
Jacobson,
where it explained: "the rights of the individual in respect of his
liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be
subjected
to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the
safety of the general public may demand." We live in a country of
ordered liberty, not individual autonomy that paves the way to the
deaths of others. In short, it is not the right of every American
citizen to catch and transmit a potentially fatal infection.
We would posit, further, that governments that don't mandate
vaccination
against Covid-19 are skating very close to violating the standard
for a
constitutional right to "life" without due process. If a
government does
not take reasonable action to prevent the likely deaths of so many
people, there will be more lawsuits. Already, we've seen schools
filing
lawsuits against former Trump administration officials and
individuals
suing the World Health Organization contending that they
mishandled the
Covid-19 response.
The depth of the science and the worldwide experience show plainly
that
vaccination is the best protection from this pandemic, and that the
faster we reach herd immunity the more likely it will be that people >>>>> won't die from this virus, hospitals won't be overburdened, and the
economy will fully recover.
It is reckless at this point for the government not to mandate
vaccination. Some politicians have falsely told Americans that
they have
a constitutional right to refuse vaccination. This is a license to
potentially infect others with a deadly disease when the Supreme
Court
has consistently held otherwise.
Children and adults have a constitutional right to "life" that can
only
be protected if there is mass vaccination. It's time for state and
local
governments to issue vaccine mandates and fines -- as New York and
San
Francisco have -- before this virus mutates into an even more elusive >>>>> killer than it already is.
that the unvaccinated are putting the lives of children and adults
at risk. That would be a hard case to make since it is rare for
children to develop serious illnesses from the coronavirus.
run contrary to Roe v. Wade.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9978343/Girl-dies-sleep-day-testing-positive-COVID-unvaccinated-parents.htmlIt's going to take more than anecdotal evidence to establish that
unvaccinated people pose a significant health risk to children.
Seasonal flu is a much greater risk to young children. 188 deaths in
the 2019-2020 season. We've never mandated flu shots, masks, or
social distancing as a remedy for that.
It doesn't help your case to at once argue that vaccines should beDitto for vaccinated adults. It seems to me the only peoplehttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9978503/Covid-vaccine-effectiveness-against-infection-fell-91-78-Delta-dominant.html
unvaccinated people are putting at risk is other unvaccinated people.
mandatory and then turn around and point out that vaccinated people
can still die from the disease.
to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original variant.
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 6:43 PM:
It doesn't help your case to at once argue that vaccines should be mandatory >> and then turn
around and point out that vaccinated people can still die from the disease.
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir[sic] to create new variants to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original variant.
Nic wrote on 9/10/2021 7:08 PM:
On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 6:43 PM:Seems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you consider the
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 4:52:57 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe
wrote:
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 4:27 PM:Article 1, Section 8 gives Congress the power to raise an army.
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 1:23:46 PM UTC-4, Mighty WannabeHas any state or individual been able to use that to nullify the
wrote:
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 1:11 PM:That might be the problem. The Tenth Amendment says any powers
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:48:58 PM UTC-4, MightyI am sure there is nothing in the Constitution that forbid
Wannabe wrote:
'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!I expect a slew of court challenges to these mandates and I
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M >>>>>>>>> unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on
two-thirds of ALL
workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
President Joe Biden slammed the 80 million Americans who have yet >>>>>>>>> to get a COVD vaccine shot, asking them 'what more is there to >>>>>>>>> wait for'
'We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin. And your >>>>>>>>> refusal has cost all of us,' he said
He ended his nearly 30 minute speech with a whispered plea: 'Get >>>>>>>>> vaccinated'
Biden announced an aggressive new plan to get 100 million
employees
across the federal government and private sector vaccinated
Labor Department to issue a temporary order to require all
businesses with 100 or more employees to have them vaccinated >>>>>>>>> or tested
weekly
Biden will require all federal workers to be vaccinated
Workers will not be given the option of testing out
There will be limited exceptions but any federal employee who >>>>>>>>> refuses the shot can be fired, White House press secretary Jen >>>>>>>>> Psaki
said Thursday
Federal employees and contractors will have 75 days to get
vaccinated
Biden's remarks come as COVID cases continue to rise due to Delta >>>>>>>>> variant
[continue . . . . . . ]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
expect some of them to be upheld. I'm not a lawyer so I'm not
going to pretend to know how much power the President has to do >>>>>>>> the things he is proposing. The courts are going to have the
final say on these matters.
I think it would be easier just to say to the unvaccinated, "If >>>>>>>> you get deathly ill, the government isn't going to do anything >>>>>>>> to help you. You're on your own. If you die, you die.".
vaccination
mandate.
not specifically granted to the federal government belong to the
states and the people. The default is the government doesn't have
the power to do it. That at least is how it is supposed to work.
Vietnam
conscription (the draft)?
"To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that
Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;"
I think the original purpose of Article 1, Section 8 is that the
United States was not supposed to have a standing army, so the
Congress can "raise an army" when needed, but it doesn't mean the
Congress can do it through conscription.
"Raise an army" is not the same as "conscription".
When you are authorized to "raise some funds" doesn't mean you can
grab money from other people's pockets.
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir to create newGovernments don't have rights. Governments have powers. Under theThe Tenth Amendment has had a de facto repeal due to theThe federal government is the employer of federal employees. The
dereliction of duties by past Supreme Courts. The federal
government does far more than the Constitution authorizes.
Perhaps with five reliable conservatives on the court that might
change but I'll believe it when I see it.
I have heard that US soldiers have to take all kinds ofenlist. For one they become subject to military justice. The
preventive vaccines. I am sure the federal government has the
right to
mandate vaccination to its employees as a condition of employment. >>>>>> Soldiers give up much of their Constitutional liberties when they
right of free speech also gets curtailed. I would bet that as
Commander-in-Chief, Biden can order military personnel to get
vaccinated. Not sure he has the same power over civilians.
employer has the right to demand from the employees proof of
vaccination.
Constitution, the federal government has limited powers. Whether
they have the power to force an employee to get vaccinated will be
a question for the courts to decide.
Are you going to argue that a fetus has a right to life? That wouldhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9978835/Mississippi-health-officials-say-stillbirths-unvaccinated-pregnant-women-DOUBLED.htmlThis article has some precedents of federal government forcingNote the key word below the title of the article. OPINION. The
vaccine
on people:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/25/opinions/unvaccinated-cant-use-constitutional-rights-excuse-hamilton-offit/index.html
writers have their opinion. Others have an opposing opinion. In
the end it will be the opinion of the courts that carries the day. >>>>>>
You do not have the 'constitutional right' to refuse theFor this last argument to carry weight, it needs to be
Covid-19 vaccine
(CNN)Now that the US Food and Drug Administration has approved the >>>>>>> Pfizer/ BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine for people age 16 and older,
it's time
for all governments across the country to mandate the vaccine
for people
taking part in indoor activities. There are no more valid
excuses for
not being vaccinated other than health reasons.
One frequently heard pushback against vaccine mandates is that
there is
a "constitutional right" to choose whether to be vaccinated or
not for
adults and a right to determine whether children can be
vaccinated. That
is a non-starter in the midst of a pandemic.
The Constitution is not a suicide pact guaranteeing a right to harm >>>>>>> others. The government has latitude to protect citizens from deadly >>>>>>> conditions, especially when the science supporting vaccination
is so clear.
The bioethicist, professor Arthur Caplan of New York University, >>>>>>> has
made a compelling case for the moral mandate to require
vaccination.
Appearing with New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio in a news
briefing
last month to address the city mandating vaccines for all municipal >>>>>>> workers, he argued that the new policy "makes good, ethical and
public
health sense" and that "it will help all of us by keeping the COVID >>>>>>> outbreak controlled."
We agree, but also believe that the public needs to better
understand
that there is no constitutional right to avoid vaccine mandates
against
a deadly disease.
With respect to children, parents do not have carte blanche. At one >>>>>>> time, children were the property of their fathers, but that is
no longer
the case. Children are "persons" under the Constitution, and as the >>>>>>> ruling in Prince v. Massachusetts held, parents do not have a
constitutional right to make martyrs of their children. Parents
have an
obligation to protect their children's health and life, which
means that
the school district mandates that reduce the risk of death to
children
should be enforceable, period.
Those challenging the government mandates are likely to invoke
their
rights under the First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments, which
protect
speech, religion, and a right not to "be deprived of life,
liberty, or
property, without due process of law." Their view ends up as a
snapshot
of themselves; nonetheless, rights can be limited if a person is >>>>>>> endangering another.
It's a sentiment that came up in the 1905 Supreme Court decision >>>>>>> in the
case Jacobson v. Massachusetts. The court ruled against a man
who had
refused to be vaccinated against smallpox, stating: "Real
liberty for
all could not exist under the operation of a principle which
recognizes
the right of each individual person to use his own (liberty),
whether in
respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury
that may
be done to others." That same principle was apparent when
Justice Amy
Coney Barrett, who is thought to be a strong rights-advocate, left >>>>>>> standing Indiana University's vaccine mandate.
The government may prohibit otherwise constitutionally protected >>>>>>> conduct
to save the lives of others.
For example, it is well-settled that governments can ban yelling >>>>>>> "Fire"
in a crowded theater, because such speech can lead to death as
attendees
race to the exits. True, the First Amendment's Speech Clause
protects
the "freedom of speech," but there is no requirement that the
government
can't prevent scenarios likely leading to death.
The same reasoning applies to vaccine mandates. The Supreme Court >>>>>>> explicitly upheld vaccine mandates against deadly diseases in
Jacobson,
where it explained: "the rights of the individual in respect of his >>>>>>> liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be
subjected
to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the >>>>>>> safety of the general public may demand." We live in a country of >>>>>>> ordered liberty, not individual autonomy that paves the way to the >>>>>>> deaths of others. In short, it is not the right of every American >>>>>>> citizen to catch and transmit a potentially fatal infection.
We would posit, further, that governments that don't mandate
vaccination
against Covid-19 are skating very close to violating the
standard for a
constitutional right to "life" without due process. If a
government does
not take reasonable action to prevent the likely deaths of so many >>>>>>> people, there will be more lawsuits. Already, we've seen schools >>>>>>> filing
lawsuits against former Trump administration officials and
individuals
suing the World Health Organization contending that they
mishandled the
Covid-19 response.
The depth of the science and the worldwide experience show
plainly that
vaccination is the best protection from this pandemic, and that the >>>>>>> faster we reach herd immunity the more likely it will be that
people
won't die from this virus, hospitals won't be overburdened, and the >>>>>>> economy will fully recover.
It is reckless at this point for the government not to mandate
vaccination. Some politicians have falsely told Americans that
they have
a constitutional right to refuse vaccination. This is a license to >>>>>>> potentially infect others with a deadly disease when the Supreme >>>>>>> Court
has consistently held otherwise.
Children and adults have a constitutional right to "life" that
can only
be protected if there is mass vaccination. It's time for state
and local
governments to issue vaccine mandates and fines -- as New York
and San
Francisco have -- before this virus mutates into an even more
elusive
killer than it already is.
established that the unvaccinated are putting the lives of
children and adults at risk. That would be a hard case to make
since it is rare for children to develop serious illnesses from
the coronavirus.
run contrary to Roe v. Wade.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9978343/Girl-dies-sleep-day-testing-positive-COVID-unvaccinated-parents.htmlIt's going to take more than anecdotal evidence to establish that
unvaccinated people pose a significant health risk to children.
Seasonal flu is a much greater risk to young children. 188 deaths
in the 2019-2020 season. We've never mandated flu shots, masks, or
social distancing as a remedy for that.
It doesn't help your case to at once argue that vaccines should beDitto for vaccinated adults. It seems to me the only peoplehttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9978503/Covid-vaccine-effectiveness-against-infection-fell-91-78-Delta-dominant.html
unvaccinated people are putting at risk is other unvaccinated
people.
mandatory and then turn around and point out that vaccinated
people can still die from the disease.
variants to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the
original variant.
unvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, think
real hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are churning
out the variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
It comes mostly from the unvaccinated, especially the asymptomatic
carriers.
It is useless to try to educated fucking idiotic boneheads like you.
Let me repeat myself one more time:
Face masks do reduce the spread of pathogens. That's why there are
such things as medical mask and surgical mask in the hospital.
Face masks don't have to be perfect. Reducing the amount of pathogens
you inhale is enough protection to prevent you from getting sick.
It is true that the diameter of the COVID virus is smaller than the
pore size of the face mask, but don't forget that the static
electricity created in the fabric by air passing through can trap the
virus particles. Besides, the face mask will start clogging up and the
pore diameter will become smaller so that it can trap even smaller
particles.
You have to understand that most likely you won't get sick by getting
one single virus particle. How fast the virus can multiply in your
body depends on the viral load. It takes a long time for the virus to establish in your body. The time is called "latency period". After the latency period, the viral load or inside your body would be ready to
multiply exponentially and you will get very sick.
With social distancing and face masks, you can reduce the COVID viral
load that you inhale. With vaccination you train your body to
recognize the COVID virus as invaders and starting the immune response
before the COVID virus can fully establish in your body during the
latency period.
Social distancing and face masks are the ways to prevent you from
getting the virus.
Vaccines prevent you from getting very sick or dying from the virus:
https://www.publichealth.org/public-awareness/understanding-vaccines/vaccines-work/
How Vaccines Work
A vaccine works by training the immune system to recognize and combat pathogens, either viruses or bacteria. To do this, certain molecules
from the pathogen must be introduced into the body to trigger an
immune response.
These molecules are called antigens, and they are present on all
viruses and bacteria. By injecting these antigens into the body, the
immune system can safely learn to recognize them as hostile invaders,
produce antibodies, and remember them for the future. If the bacteria
or virus reappears, the immune system will recognize the antigens
immediately and attack aggressively well before the pathogen can
spread and cause sickness.
The Herd Immunity Imperative
Vaccines don't just work on an individual level, they protect entire populations. Once enough people are immunized, opportunities for an
outbreak of disease become so low even people who aren't immunized
benefit. Essentially, a bacteria or virus simply won't have enough
eligible hosts to establish a foothold and will eventually die out
entirely. This phenomenon is called "herd immunity" or "community
immunity," and it has allowed once-devastating diseases to be
eliminated entirely, without needing to vaccinate every individual.
On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 6:43 PM:Seems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you consider the unvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, think
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 4:52:57 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe
wrote:
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 4:27 PM:Article 1, Section 8 gives Congress the power to raise an army.
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 1:23:46 PM UTC-4, Mighty WannabeHas any state or individual been able to use that to nullify the
wrote:
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 1:11 PM:That might be the problem. The Tenth Amendment says any powers not
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:48:58 PM UTC-4, MightyI am sure there is nothing in the Constitution that forbid
Wannabe wrote:
'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!I expect a slew of court challenges to these mandates and I
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M
unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on
two-thirds of ALL
workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
President Joe Biden slammed the 80 million Americans who have yet >>>>>>>> to get a COVD vaccine shot, asking them 'what more is there to >>>>>>>> wait for'
'We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin. And your >>>>>>>> refusal has cost all of us,' he said
He ended his nearly 30 minute speech with a whispered plea: 'Get >>>>>>>> vaccinated'
Biden announced an aggressive new plan to get 100 million
employees
across the federal government and private sector vaccinated
Labor Department to issue a temporary order to require all
businesses with 100 or more employees to have them vaccinated
or tested
weekly
Biden will require all federal workers to be vaccinated
Workers will not be given the option of testing out
There will be limited exceptions but any federal employee who
refuses the shot can be fired, White House press secretary Jen >>>>>>>> Psaki
said Thursday
Federal employees and contractors will have 75 days to get
vaccinated
Biden's remarks come as COVID cases continue to rise due to Delta >>>>>>>> variant
[continue . . . . . . ]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
expect some of them to be upheld. I'm not a lawyer so I'm not
going to pretend to know how much power the President has to do
the things he is proposing. The courts are going to have the
final say on these matters.
I think it would be easier just to say to the unvaccinated, "If
you get deathly ill, the government isn't going to do anything
to help you. You're on your own. If you die, you die.".
vaccination
mandate.
specifically granted to the federal government belong to the
states and the people. The default is the government doesn't have
the power to do it. That at least is how it is supposed to work.
Vietnam
conscription (the draft)?
"To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that
Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;"
I think the original purpose of Article 1, Section 8 is that the
United States was not supposed to have a standing army, so the
Congress can "raise an army" when needed, but it doesn't mean the
Congress can do it through conscription.
"Raise an army" is not the same as "conscription".
When you are authorized to "raise some funds" doesn't mean you can
grab money from other people's pockets.
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir to create new variantsGovernments don't have rights. Governments have powers. Under theThe Tenth Amendment has had a de facto repeal due to theThe federal government is the employer of federal employees. The
dereliction of duties by past Supreme Courts. The federal
government does far more than the Constitution authorizes. Perhaps
with five reliable conservatives on the court that might change
but I'll believe it when I see it.
I have heard that US soldiers have to take all kinds ofSoldiers give up much of their Constitutional liberties when they
preventive vaccines. I am sure the federal government has the
right to
mandate vaccination to its employees as a condition of employment.
enlist. For one they become subject to military justice. The right
of free speech also gets curtailed. I would bet that as
Commander-in-Chief, Biden can order military personnel to get
vaccinated. Not sure he has the same power over civilians.
employer has the right to demand from the employees proof of
vaccination.
Constitution, the federal government has limited powers. Whether
they have the power to force an employee to get vaccinated will be a
question for the courts to decide.
Are you going to argue that a fetus has a right to life? That wouldhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9978835/Mississippi-health-officials-say-stillbirths-unvaccinated-pregnant-women-DOUBLED.htmlThis article has some precedents of federal government forcingNote the key word below the title of the article. OPINION. The
vaccine
on people:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/25/opinions/unvaccinated-cant-use-constitutional-rights-excuse-hamilton-offit/index.html
writers have their opinion. Others have an opposing opinion. In
the end it will be the opinion of the courts that carries the day.
You do not have the 'constitutional right' to refuse the Covid-19For this last argument to carry weight, it needs to be established
vaccine
(CNN)Now that the US Food and Drug Administration has approved the >>>>>> Pfizer/ BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine for people age 16 and older,
it's time
for all governments across the country to mandate the vaccine for
people
taking part in indoor activities. There are no more valid excuses
for
not being vaccinated other than health reasons.
One frequently heard pushback against vaccine mandates is that
there is
a "constitutional right" to choose whether to be vaccinated or
not for
adults and a right to determine whether children can be
vaccinated. That
is a non-starter in the midst of a pandemic.
The Constitution is not a suicide pact guaranteeing a right to harm >>>>>> others. The government has latitude to protect citizens from deadly >>>>>> conditions, especially when the science supporting vaccination is
so clear.
The bioethicist, professor Arthur Caplan of New York University, has >>>>>> made a compelling case for the moral mandate to require vaccination. >>>>>> Appearing with New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio in a news briefing >>>>>> last month to address the city mandating vaccines for all municipal >>>>>> workers, he argued that the new policy "makes good, ethical and
public
health sense" and that "it will help all of us by keeping the COVID >>>>>> outbreak controlled."
We agree, but also believe that the public needs to better
understand
that there is no constitutional right to avoid vaccine mandates
against
a deadly disease.
With respect to children, parents do not have carte blanche. At one >>>>>> time, children were the property of their fathers, but that is no
longer
the case. Children are "persons" under the Constitution, and as the >>>>>> ruling in Prince v. Massachusetts held, parents do not have a
constitutional right to make martyrs of their children. Parents
have an
obligation to protect their children's health and life, which
means that
the school district mandates that reduce the risk of death to
children
should be enforceable, period.
Those challenging the government mandates are likely to invoke their >>>>>> rights under the First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments, which
protect
speech, religion, and a right not to "be deprived of life,
liberty, or
property, without due process of law." Their view ends up as a
snapshot
of themselves; nonetheless, rights can be limited if a person is
endangering another.
It's a sentiment that came up in the 1905 Supreme Court decision
in the
case Jacobson v. Massachusetts. The court ruled against a man who
had
refused to be vaccinated against smallpox, stating: "Real liberty
for
all could not exist under the operation of a principle which
recognizes
the right of each individual person to use his own (liberty),
whether in
respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury
that may
be done to others." That same principle was apparent when Justice
Amy
Coney Barrett, who is thought to be a strong rights-advocate, left >>>>>> standing Indiana University's vaccine mandate.
The government may prohibit otherwise constitutionally protected
conduct
to save the lives of others.
For example, it is well-settled that governments can ban yelling
"Fire"
in a crowded theater, because such speech can lead to death as
attendees
race to the exits. True, the First Amendment's Speech Clause
protects
the "freedom of speech," but there is no requirement that the
government
can't prevent scenarios likely leading to death.
The same reasoning applies to vaccine mandates. The Supreme Court
explicitly upheld vaccine mandates against deadly diseases in
Jacobson,
where it explained: "the rights of the individual in respect of his >>>>>> liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be
subjected
to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the >>>>>> safety of the general public may demand." We live in a country of
ordered liberty, not individual autonomy that paves the way to the >>>>>> deaths of others. In short, it is not the right of every American
citizen to catch and transmit a potentially fatal infection.
We would posit, further, that governments that don't mandate
vaccination
against Covid-19 are skating very close to violating the standard
for a
constitutional right to "life" without due process. If a
government does
not take reasonable action to prevent the likely deaths of so many >>>>>> people, there will be more lawsuits. Already, we've seen schools
filing
lawsuits against former Trump administration officials and
individuals
suing the World Health Organization contending that they
mishandled the
Covid-19 response.
The depth of the science and the worldwide experience show
plainly that
vaccination is the best protection from this pandemic, and that the >>>>>> faster we reach herd immunity the more likely it will be that people >>>>>> won't die from this virus, hospitals won't be overburdened, and the >>>>>> economy will fully recover.
It is reckless at this point for the government not to mandate
vaccination. Some politicians have falsely told Americans that
they have
a constitutional right to refuse vaccination. This is a license to >>>>>> potentially infect others with a deadly disease when the Supreme
Court
has consistently held otherwise.
Children and adults have a constitutional right to "life" that
can only
be protected if there is mass vaccination. It's time for state
and local
governments to issue vaccine mandates and fines -- as New York
and San
Francisco have -- before this virus mutates into an even more
elusive
killer than it already is.
that the unvaccinated are putting the lives of children and adults
at risk. That would be a hard case to make since it is rare for
children to develop serious illnesses from the coronavirus.
run contrary to Roe v. Wade.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9978343/Girl-dies-sleep-day-testing-positive-COVID-unvaccinated-parents.htmlIt's going to take more than anecdotal evidence to establish that
unvaccinated people pose a significant health risk to children.
Seasonal flu is a much greater risk to young children. 188 deaths in
the 2019-2020 season. We've never mandated flu shots, masks, or
social distancing as a remedy for that.
It doesn't help your case to at once argue that vaccines should beDitto for vaccinated adults. It seems to me the only people
unvaccinated people are putting at risk is other unvaccinated people. >>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9978503/Covid-vaccine-effectiveness-against-infection-fell-91-78-Delta-dominant.html
mandatory and then turn around and point out that vaccinated people
can still die from the disease.
to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original variant.
real hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are churning
out the variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
Nic wrote on 9/10/2021 7:08 PM:
On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir[sic] to create new variants >>> to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original variant.
Seems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you consider the
unvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, think
real hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are churning
out the variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
It comes mostly from the unvaccinated, especially the asymptomatic carriers.
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Nic wrote on 9/10/2021 7:08 PM:Cite?
On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:It comes mostly from the unvaccinated, especially the asymptomatic carriers.
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir[sic] to create new variants >>>> to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original variant.Seems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you consider the
unvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, think
real hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are churning
out the variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
max headroom wrote on 9/10/2021 7:22 PM:
In news:AHR_I.49801$I2bb.45521@fx06.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed:
Nic wrote on 9/10/2021 7:08 PM:
On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir[sic] to create new variants
to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original variant.
Seems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you consider the
unvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, think
real hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are churning
out the variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
It comes mostly from the unvaccinated, especially the asymptomatic carriers.
Cite?
It is as obvious as 1+1=2, or your mom is/was a woman.
I cannot waste my life to show you the proof of everything.
max headroom wrote on 9/10/2021 7:22 PM:
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Cite?
It is as obvious as 1+1=2, or your mom is/was a woman.
I cannot waste my life to show you the proof of everything.
Nic wrote on 9/10/2021 7:08 PM:
On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 6:43 PM:Seems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you consider the
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 4:52:57 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe
wrote:
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 4:27 PM:Article 1, Section 8 gives Congress the power to raise an army.
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 1:23:46 PM UTC-4, Mighty WannabeHas any state or individual been able to use that to nullify the
wrote:
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 1:11 PM:That might be the problem. The Tenth Amendment says any powers not >>>>>> specifically granted to the federal government belong to the
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:48:58 PM UTC-4, MightyI am sure there is nothing in the Constitution that forbid
Wannabe wrote:
'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!I expect a slew of court challenges to these mandates and I
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M >>>>>>>>> unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on
two-thirds of ALL
workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
President Joe Biden slammed the 80 million Americans who have yet >>>>>>>>> to get a COVD vaccine shot, asking them 'what more is there to >>>>>>>>> wait for'
'We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin. And your >>>>>>>>> refusal has cost all of us,' he said
He ended his nearly 30 minute speech with a whispered plea: 'Get >>>>>>>>> vaccinated'
Biden announced an aggressive new plan to get 100 million
employees
across the federal government and private sector vaccinated
Labor Department to issue a temporary order to require all
businesses with 100 or more employees to have them vaccinated >>>>>>>>> or tested
weekly
Biden will require all federal workers to be vaccinated
Workers will not be given the option of testing out
There will be limited exceptions but any federal employee who >>>>>>>>> refuses the shot can be fired, White House press secretary Jen >>>>>>>>> Psaki
said Thursday
Federal employees and contractors will have 75 days to get
vaccinated
Biden's remarks come as COVID cases continue to rise due to Delta >>>>>>>>> variant
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
expect some of them to be upheld. I'm not a lawyer so I'm not
going to pretend to know how much power the President has to do >>>>>>>> the things he is proposing. The courts are going to have the
final say on these matters.
I think it would be easier just to say to the unvaccinated, "If >>>>>>>> you get deathly ill, the government isn't going to do anything >>>>>>>> to help you. You're on your own. If you die, you die.".
vaccination
mandate.
states and the people. The default is the government doesn't have
the power to do it. That at least is how it is supposed to work.
Vietnam
conscription (the draft)?
"To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that
Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;"
I think the original purpose of Article 1, Section 8 is that the
United States was not supposed to have a standing army, so the
Congress can "raise an army" when needed, but it doesn't mean the
Congress can do it through conscription.
"Raise an army" is not the same as "conscription".
When you are authorized to "raise some funds" doesn't mean you can
grab money from other people's pockets.
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir to create new variantsGovernments don't have rights. Governments have powers. Under theThe Tenth Amendment has had a de facto repeal due to theThe federal government is the employer of federal employees. The
dereliction of duties by past Supreme Courts. The federal
government does far more than the Constitution authorizes. Perhaps >>>>>> with five reliable conservatives on the court that might change
but I'll believe it when I see it.
I have heard that US soldiers have to take all kinds ofenlist. For one they become subject to military justice. The right >>>>>> of free speech also gets curtailed. I would bet that as
preventive vaccines. I am sure the federal government has the
right to
mandate vaccination to its employees as a condition of employment. >>>>>> Soldiers give up much of their Constitutional liberties when they
Commander-in-Chief, Biden can order military personnel to get
vaccinated. Not sure he has the same power over civilians.
employer has the right to demand from the employees proof of
vaccination.
Constitution, the federal government has limited powers. Whether
they have the power to force an employee to get vaccinated will be a
question for the courts to decide.
Are you going to argue that a fetus has a right to life? That wouldhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9978835/Mississippi-health-officials-say-stillbirths-unvaccinated-pregnant-women-DOUBLED.htmlThis article has some precedents of federal government forcingNote the key word below the title of the article. OPINION. The
vaccine
on people:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/25/opinions/unvaccinated-cant-use-constitutional-rights-excuse-hamilton-offit/index.html
writers have their opinion. Others have an opposing opinion. In
the end it will be the opinion of the courts that carries the day. >>>>>>
You do not have the 'constitutional right' to refuse the Covid-19 >>>>>>> vaccineFor this last argument to carry weight, it needs to be established >>>>>> that the unvaccinated are putting the lives of children and adults >>>>>> at risk. That would be a hard case to make since it is rare for
(CNN)Now that the US Food and Drug Administration has approved the >>>>>>> Pfizer/ BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine for people age 16 and older,
it's time
for all governments across the country to mandate the vaccine for >>>>>>> people
taking part in indoor activities. There are no more valid excuses >>>>>>> for
not being vaccinated other than health reasons.
One frequently heard pushback against vaccine mandates is that
there is
a "constitutional right" to choose whether to be vaccinated or
not for
adults and a right to determine whether children can be
vaccinated. That
is a non-starter in the midst of a pandemic.
The Constitution is not a suicide pact guaranteeing a right to harm >>>>>>> others. The government has latitude to protect citizens from deadly >>>>>>> conditions, especially when the science supporting vaccination is >>>>>>> so clear.
The bioethicist, professor Arthur Caplan of New York University, has >>>>>>> made a compelling case for the moral mandate to require vaccination. >>>>>>> Appearing with New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio in a news briefing >>>>>>> last month to address the city mandating vaccines for all municipal >>>>>>> workers, he argued that the new policy "makes good, ethical and
public
health sense" and that "it will help all of us by keeping the COVID >>>>>>> outbreak controlled."
We agree, but also believe that the public needs to better
understand
that there is no constitutional right to avoid vaccine mandates
against
a deadly disease.
With respect to children, parents do not have carte blanche. At one >>>>>>> time, children were the property of their fathers, but that is no >>>>>>> longer
the case. Children are "persons" under the Constitution, and as the >>>>>>> ruling in Prince v. Massachusetts held, parents do not have a
constitutional right to make martyrs of their children. Parents
have an
obligation to protect their children's health and life, which
means that
the school district mandates that reduce the risk of death to
children
should be enforceable, period.
Those challenging the government mandates are likely to invoke their >>>>>>> rights under the First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments, which
protect
speech, religion, and a right not to "be deprived of life,
liberty, or
property, without due process of law." Their view ends up as a
snapshot
of themselves; nonetheless, rights can be limited if a person is >>>>>>> endangering another.
It's a sentiment that came up in the 1905 Supreme Court decision >>>>>>> in the
case Jacobson v. Massachusetts. The court ruled against a man who >>>>>>> had
refused to be vaccinated against smallpox, stating: "Real liberty >>>>>>> for
all could not exist under the operation of a principle which
recognizes
the right of each individual person to use his own (liberty),
whether in
respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury
that may
be done to others." That same principle was apparent when Justice >>>>>>> Amy
Coney Barrett, who is thought to be a strong rights-advocate, left >>>>>>> standing Indiana University's vaccine mandate.
The government may prohibit otherwise constitutionally protected >>>>>>> conduct
to save the lives of others.
For example, it is well-settled that governments can ban yelling >>>>>>> "Fire"
in a crowded theater, because such speech can lead to death as
attendees
race to the exits. True, the First Amendment's Speech Clause
protects
the "freedom of speech," but there is no requirement that the
government
can't prevent scenarios likely leading to death.
The same reasoning applies to vaccine mandates. The Supreme Court >>>>>>> explicitly upheld vaccine mandates against deadly diseases in
Jacobson,
where it explained: "the rights of the individual in respect of his >>>>>>> liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be
subjected
to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the >>>>>>> safety of the general public may demand." We live in a country of >>>>>>> ordered liberty, not individual autonomy that paves the way to the >>>>>>> deaths of others. In short, it is not the right of every American >>>>>>> citizen to catch and transmit a potentially fatal infection.
We would posit, further, that governments that don't mandate
vaccination
against Covid-19 are skating very close to violating the standard >>>>>>> for a
constitutional right to "life" without due process. If a
government does
not take reasonable action to prevent the likely deaths of so many >>>>>>> people, there will be more lawsuits. Already, we've seen schools >>>>>>> filing
lawsuits against former Trump administration officials and
individuals
suing the World Health Organization contending that they
mishandled the
Covid-19 response.
The depth of the science and the worldwide experience show
plainly that
vaccination is the best protection from this pandemic, and that the >>>>>>> faster we reach herd immunity the more likely it will be that people >>>>>>> won't die from this virus, hospitals won't be overburdened, and the >>>>>>> economy will fully recover.
It is reckless at this point for the government not to mandate
vaccination. Some politicians have falsely told Americans that
they have
a constitutional right to refuse vaccination. This is a license to >>>>>>> potentially infect others with a deadly disease when the Supreme >>>>>>> Court
has consistently held otherwise.
Children and adults have a constitutional right to "life" that
can only
be protected if there is mass vaccination. It's time for state
and local
governments to issue vaccine mandates and fines -- as New York
and San
Francisco have -- before this virus mutates into an even more
elusive
killer than it already is.
children to develop serious illnesses from the coronavirus.
run contrary to Roe v. Wade.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9978343/Girl-dies-sleep-day-testing-positive-COVID-unvaccinated-parents.htmlIt's going to take more than anecdotal evidence to establish that
unvaccinated people pose a significant health risk to children.
Seasonal flu is a much greater risk to young children. 188 deaths in
the 2019-2020 season. We've never mandated flu shots, masks, or
social distancing as a remedy for that.
It doesn't help your case to at once argue that vaccines should beDitto for vaccinated adults. It seems to me the only people
unvaccinated people are putting at risk is other unvaccinated people. >>>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9978503/Covid-vaccine-effectiveness-against-infection-fell-91-78-Delta-dominant.html
mandatory and then turn around and point out that vaccinated people
can still die from the disease.
to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original variant.
unvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, think
real hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are churning
out the variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
It comes mostly from the unvaccinated, especially the asymptomatic
carriers.
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 1:11 PM:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:48:58 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe wrote: >>> 'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!
I expect a slew of court challenges to these mandates and I expect some
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M
unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on two-thirds of ALL
workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
President Joe Biden slammed the 80 million Americans who have yet
to get a COVD vaccine shot, asking them 'what more is there to wait for' >>>
'We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin. And your
refusal has cost all of us,' he said
He ended his nearly 30 minute speech with a whispered plea: 'Get
vaccinated'
Biden announced an aggressive new plan to get 100 million employees
across the federal government and private sector vaccinated
Labor Department to issue a temporary order to require all
businesses with 100 or more employees to have them vaccinated or tested
weekly
Biden will require all federal workers to be vaccinated
Workers will not be given the option of testing out
There will be limited exceptions but any federal employee who
refuses the shot can be fired, White House press secretary Jen Psaki
said Thursday
Federal employees and contractors will have 75 days to get vaccinated
Biden's remarks come as COVID cases continue to rise due to Delta
variant
[continue . . . . . . ]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
of them to be upheld. I'm not a lawyer so I'm not going to pretend to
know how much power the President has to do the things he is proposing.
The courts are going to have the final say on these matters.
I think it would be easier just to say to the unvaccinated, "If you get
deathly ill, the government isn't going to do anything to help you.
You're on your own. If you die, you die.".
I am sure there is nothing in the Constitution that forbid vaccination mandate.
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 4:27 PM:
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 1:23:46 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 1:11 PM:That might be the problem. The Tenth Amendment says any powers not
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:48:58 PM UTC-4, Mighty WannabeI am sure there is nothing in the Constitution that forbid vaccination
wrote:
'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!I expect a slew of court challenges to these mandates and I expect some >>>> of them to be upheld. I'm not a lawyer so I'm not going to pretend to
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M
unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on two-thirds of
ALL
workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
President Joe Biden slammed the 80 million Americans who have yet
to get a COVD vaccine shot, asking them 'what more is there to wait
for'
'We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin. And your
refusal has cost all of us,' he said
He ended his nearly 30 minute speech with a whispered plea: 'Get
vaccinated'
Biden announced an aggressive new plan to get 100 million employees
across the federal government and private sector vaccinated
Labor Department to issue a temporary order to require all
businesses with 100 or more employees to have them vaccinated or
tested
weekly
Biden will require all federal workers to be vaccinated
Workers will not be given the option of testing out
There will be limited exceptions but any federal employee who
refuses the shot can be fired, White House press secretary Jen Psaki >>>>> said Thursday
Federal employees and contractors will have 75 days to get vaccinated >>>>>
Biden's remarks come as COVID cases continue to rise due to Delta
variant
[continue . . . . . . ]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
know how much power the President has to do the things he is proposing. >>>> The courts are going to have the final say on these matters.
I think it would be easier just to say to the unvaccinated, "If you get >>>> deathly ill, the government isn't going to do anything to help you.
You're on your own. If you die, you die.".
mandate.
specifically granted to the federal government belong to the states and
the people. The default is the government doesn't have the power to do
it. That at least is how it is supposed to work.
Has any state or individual been able to use that to nullify the Vietnam conscription (the draft)?
The Tenth Amendment has had a de facto repeal due to the dereliction of
duties by past Supreme Courts. The federal government does far more than
the Constitution authorizes. Perhaps with five reliable conservatives on
the court that might change but I'll believe it when I see it.
I have heard that US soldiers have to take all kinds ofSoldiers give up much of their Constitutional liberties when they enlist.
preventive vaccines. I am sure the federal government has the right to
mandate vaccination to its employees as a condition of employment.
For one they become subject to military justice. The right of free speech
also gets curtailed. I would bet that as Commander-in-Chief, Biden can
order military personnel to get vaccinated. Not sure he has the same
power over civilians.
The federal government is the employer of federal employees. The employer
has the right to demand from the employees proof of vaccination.
In news:WqR_I.43063$Ki4b.28276@fx05.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed:
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 6:43 PM:
It doesn't help your case to at once argue that vaccines should be
mandatory
and then turn
around and point out that vaccinated people can still die from the
disease.
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir[sic] to create new
variants to
kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original variant.
The same is true of the vaccinated.
Nic wrote on 9/10/2021 7:08 PM:
On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 6:43 PM:Seems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you consider the
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 4:52:57 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe
wrote:
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 4:27 PM:Article 1, Section 8 gives Congress the power to raise an army.
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 1:23:46 PM UTC-4, Mighty WannabeHas any state or individual been able to use that to nullify the
wrote:
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 1:11 PM:That might be the problem. The Tenth Amendment says any powers not >>>>>> specifically granted to the federal government belong to the states >>>>>> and the people. The default is the government doesn't have the power >>>>>> to do it. That at least is how it is supposed to work.
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:48:58 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe >>>>>>>> wrote:I am sure there is nothing in the Constitution that forbid
'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!I expect a slew of court challenges to these mandates and I expect >>>>>>>> some of them to be upheld. I'm not a lawyer so I'm not going to >>>>>>>> pretend to know how much power the President has to do the things >>>>>>>> he is proposing. The courts are going to have the final say on >>>>>>>> these matters.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M >>>>>>>>> unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on two-thirds >>>>>>>>> of ALL
workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
President Joe Biden slammed the 80 million Americans who have yet >>>>>>>>> to get a COVD vaccine shot, asking them 'what more is there to >>>>>>>>> wait for'
'We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin. And your >>>>>>>>> refusal has cost all of us,' he said
He ended his nearly 30 minute speech with a whispered plea: 'Get >>>>>>>>> vaccinated'
Biden announced an aggressive new plan to get 100 million
employees
across the federal government and private sector vaccinated
Labor Department to issue a temporary order to require all
businesses with 100 or more employees to have them vaccinated or >>>>>>>>> tested
weekly
Biden will require all federal workers to be vaccinated
Workers will not be given the option of testing out
There will be limited exceptions but any federal employee who >>>>>>>>> refuses the shot can be fired, White House press secretary Jen >>>>>>>>> Psaki
said Thursday
Federal employees and contractors will have 75 days to get
vaccinated
Biden's remarks come as COVID cases continue to rise due to Delta >>>>>>>>> variant
[continue . . . . . . ]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
I think it would be easier just to say to the unvaccinated, "If you >>>>>>>> get deathly ill, the government isn't going to do anything to help >>>>>>>> you. You're on your own. If you die, you die.".
vaccination
mandate.
Vietnam
conscription (the draft)?
"To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use >>>> shall be for a longer Term than two Years;"
I think the original purpose of Article 1, Section 8 is that the United
States was not supposed to have a standing army, so the Congress can
"raise an army" when needed, but it doesn't mean the Congress can do it
through conscription.
"Raise an army" is not the same as "conscription".
When you are authorized to "raise some funds" doesn't mean you can grab
money from other people's pockets.
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir to create new variants to >>> kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original variant.Governments don't have rights. Governments have powers. Under theThe Tenth Amendment has had a de facto repeal due to the dereliction >>>>>> of duties by past Supreme Courts. The federal government does farThe federal government is the employer of federal employees. The
more than the Constitution authorizes. Perhaps with five reliable
conservatives on the court that might change but I'll believe it when >>>>>> I see it.
I have heard that US soldiers have to take all kinds ofenlist. For one they become subject to military justice. The right of >>>>>> free speech also gets curtailed. I would bet that as
preventive vaccines. I am sure the federal government has the right >>>>>>> to
mandate vaccination to its employees as a condition of employment. >>>>>> Soldiers give up much of their Constitutional liberties when they
Commander-in-Chief, Biden can order military personnel to get
vaccinated. Not sure he has the same power over civilians.
employer has the right to demand from the employees proof of
vaccination.
Constitution, the federal government has limited powers. Whether they
have the power to force an employee to get vaccinated will be a
question for the courts to decide.
Are you going to argue that a fetus has a right to life? That would run >>>> contrary to Roe v. Wade.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9978835/Mississippi-health-officials-say-stillbirths-unvaccinated-pregnant-women-DOUBLED.htmlThis article has some precedents of federal government forcingNote the key word below the title of the article. OPINION. The
vaccine
on people:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/25/opinions/unvaccinated-cant-use-constitutional-rights-excuse-hamilton-offit/index.html
writers have their opinion. Others have an opposing opinion. In the >>>>>> end it will be the opinion of the courts that carries the day.
You do not have the 'constitutional right' to refuse the Covid-19 >>>>>>> vaccineFor this last argument to carry weight, it needs to be established >>>>>> that the unvaccinated are putting the lives of children and adults at >>>>>> risk. That would be a hard case to make since it is rare for children >>>>>> to develop serious illnesses from the coronavirus.
(CNN)Now that the US Food and Drug Administration has approved the >>>>>>> Pfizer/ BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine for people age 16 and older, it's >>>>>>> time
for all governments across the country to mandate the vaccine for >>>>>>> people
taking part in indoor activities. There are no more valid excuses >>>>>>> for
not being vaccinated other than health reasons.
One frequently heard pushback against vaccine mandates is that there >>>>>>> is
a "constitutional right" to choose whether to be vaccinated or not >>>>>>> for
adults and a right to determine whether children can be vaccinated. >>>>>>> That
is a non-starter in the midst of a pandemic.
The Constitution is not a suicide pact guaranteeing a right to harm >>>>>>> others. The government has latitude to protect citizens from deadly >>>>>>> conditions, especially when the science supporting vaccination is so >>>>>>> clear.
The bioethicist, professor Arthur Caplan of New York University, has >>>>>>> made a compelling case for the moral mandate to require vaccination. >>>>>>> Appearing with New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio in a news briefing >>>>>>> last month to address the city mandating vaccines for all municipal >>>>>>> workers, he argued that the new policy "makes good, ethical and
public
health sense" and that "it will help all of us by keeping the COVID >>>>>>> outbreak controlled."
We agree, but also believe that the public needs to better
understand
that there is no constitutional right to avoid vaccine mandates
against
a deadly disease.
With respect to children, parents do not have carte blanche. At one >>>>>>> time, children were the property of their fathers, but that is no >>>>>>> longer
the case. Children are "persons" under the Constitution, and as the >>>>>>> ruling in Prince v. Massachusetts held, parents do not have a
constitutional right to make martyrs of their children. Parents have >>>>>>> an
obligation to protect their children's health and life, which means >>>>>>> that
the school district mandates that reduce the risk of death to
children
should be enforceable, period.
Those challenging the government mandates are likely to invoke their >>>>>>> rights under the First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments, which
protect
speech, religion, and a right not to "be deprived of life, liberty, >>>>>>> or
property, without due process of law." Their view ends up as a
snapshot
of themselves; nonetheless, rights can be limited if a person is >>>>>>> endangering another.
It's a sentiment that came up in the 1905 Supreme Court decision in >>>>>>> the
case Jacobson v. Massachusetts. The court ruled against a man who >>>>>>> had
refused to be vaccinated against smallpox, stating: "Real liberty >>>>>>> for
all could not exist under the operation of a principle which
recognizes
the right of each individual person to use his own (liberty),
whether in
respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that >>>>>>> may
be done to others." That same principle was apparent when Justice >>>>>>> Amy
Coney Barrett, who is thought to be a strong rights-advocate, left >>>>>>> standing Indiana University's vaccine mandate.
The government may prohibit otherwise constitutionally protected >>>>>>> conduct
to save the lives of others.
For example, it is well-settled that governments can ban yelling >>>>>>> "Fire"
in a crowded theater, because such speech can lead to death as
attendees
race to the exits. True, the First Amendment's Speech Clause
protects
the "freedom of speech," but there is no requirement that the
government
can't prevent scenarios likely leading to death.
The same reasoning applies to vaccine mandates. The Supreme Court >>>>>>> explicitly upheld vaccine mandates against deadly diseases in
Jacobson,
where it explained: "the rights of the individual in respect of his >>>>>>> liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be
subjected
to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the >>>>>>> safety of the general public may demand." We live in a country of >>>>>>> ordered liberty, not individual autonomy that paves the way to the >>>>>>> deaths of others. In short, it is not the right of every American >>>>>>> citizen to catch and transmit a potentially fatal infection.
We would posit, further, that governments that don't mandate
vaccination
against Covid-19 are skating very close to violating the standard >>>>>>> for a
constitutional right to "life" without due process. If a government >>>>>>> does
not take reasonable action to prevent the likely deaths of so many >>>>>>> people, there will be more lawsuits. Already, we've seen schools >>>>>>> filing
lawsuits against former Trump administration officials and
individuals
suing the World Health Organization contending that they mishandled >>>>>>> the
Covid-19 response.
The depth of the science and the worldwide experience show plainly >>>>>>> that
vaccination is the best protection from this pandemic, and that the >>>>>>> faster we reach herd immunity the more likely it will be that people >>>>>>> won't die from this virus, hospitals won't be overburdened, and the >>>>>>> economy will fully recover.
It is reckless at this point for the government not to mandate
vaccination. Some politicians have falsely told Americans that they >>>>>>> have
a constitutional right to refuse vaccination. This is a license to >>>>>>> potentially infect others with a deadly disease when the Supreme >>>>>>> Court
has consistently held otherwise.
Children and adults have a constitutional right to "life" that can >>>>>>> only
be protected if there is mass vaccination. It's time for state and >>>>>>> local
governments to issue vaccine mandates and fines -- as New York and >>>>>>> San
Francisco have -- before this virus mutates into an even more
elusive
killer than it already is.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9978343/Girl-dies-sleep-day-testing-positive-COVID-unvaccinated-parents.htmlIt's going to take more than anecdotal evidence to establish that
unvaccinated people pose a significant health risk to children.
Seasonal flu is a much greater risk to young children. 188 deaths in
the 2019-2020 season. We've never mandated flu shots, masks, or social >>>> distancing as a remedy for that.
It doesn't help your case to at once argue that vaccines should beDitto for vaccinated adults. It seems to me the only people
unvaccinated people are putting at risk is other unvaccinated people. >>>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9978503/Covid-vaccine-effectiveness-against-infection-fell-91-78-Delta-dominant.html
mandatory and then turn around and point out that vaccinated people
can still die from the disease.
unvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, think real
hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are churning out the
variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
It comes mostly from the unvaccinated, especially the asymptomatic
carriers.
It is useless to try to educated fucking idiotic boneheads like you. Let
me repeat myself one more time:
Face masks do reduce the spread of pathogens.
That's why there are such things as medical mask and surgical mask in the >hospital.
max headroom wrote on 9/10/2021 7:22 PM:
In news:AHR_I.49801$I2bb.45521@fx06.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed:
Nic wrote on 9/10/2021 7:08 PM:Cite?
On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:It comes mostly from the unvaccinated, especially the asymptomatic
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir[sic] to create newunvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, think
variants
to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original variant. >>>> Seems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you consider the
real hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are churning
out the variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
carriers.
It is as obvious as 1+1=2, or your mom is/was a woman.
"Mighty Wannabe" <???????????????????????@??.?????> wrote in message news:YNT_I.4666$yIVd.2785@fx01.ams1...
max headroom wrote on 9/10/2021 7:22 PM:
In news:AHR_I.49801$I2bb.45521@fx06.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed:
Nic wrote on 9/10/2021 7:08 PM:Cite?
On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:It comes mostly from the unvaccinated, especially the asymptomatic
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir[sic] to create newSeems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you consider the >>>>> unvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, think
variants
to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original
variant.
real hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are churning >>>>> out the variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
carriers.
It is as obvious as 1+1=2, or your mom is/was a woman.
IOW, you have no actual knowledge you're just asserting it's obvious
much like a flat earther claims it's obvious the Earth is flat.
You are aware that the vaccinated can spread the disease just as
easily as the non-vaccinated and they are doing so...
On 9/10/2021 8:40 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
max headroom wrote on 9/10/2021 7:22 PM:
In news:AHR_I.49801$I2bb.45521@fx06.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed:
Cite?
It is as obvious as 1+1=2, or your mom is/was a woman.
I cannot waste my life to show you the proof of everything.
Golly Gee! Does that mean you will go away and leave us to our own
devices? God Bless America again. ;-)
On 9/10/21 7:16 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
Nic wrote on 9/10/2021 7:08 PM:
On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:It comes mostly from the unvaccinated, especially the asymptomatic
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 6:43 PM:Seems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you consider the
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 4:52:57 PM UTC-4, Mighty WannabeI think the original purpose of Article 1, Section 8 is that the
wrote:
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 4:27 PM:Article 1, Section 8 gives Congress the power to raise an army.
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 1:23:46 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe >>>>>>> wrote:Has any state or individual been able to use that to nullify the
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 1:11 PM:That might be the problem. The Tenth Amendment says any powers not >>>>>>> specifically granted to the federal government belong to the
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:48:58 PM UTC-4, MightyI am sure there is nothing in the Constitution that forbid
Wannabe wrote:
'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!! >>>>>>>>>>I expect a slew of court challenges to these mandates and I
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M >>>>>>>>>> unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on
two-thirds of ALL
workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
President Joe Biden slammed the 80 million Americans who have yet >>>>>>>>>> to get a COVD vaccine shot, asking them 'what more is there to >>>>>>>>>> wait for'
'We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin. And your >>>>>>>>>> refusal has cost all of us,' he said
He ended his nearly 30 minute speech with a whispered plea: 'Get >>>>>>>>>> vaccinated'
Biden announced an aggressive new plan to get 100 million
employees
across the federal government and private sector vaccinated >>>>>>>>>>
Labor Department to issue a temporary order to require all >>>>>>>>>> businesses with 100 or more employees to have them vaccinated >>>>>>>>>> or tested
weekly
Biden will require all federal workers to be vaccinated
Workers will not be given the option of testing out
There will be limited exceptions but any federal employee who >>>>>>>>>> refuses the shot can be fired, White House press secretary Jen >>>>>>>>>> Psaki
said Thursday
Federal employees and contractors will have 75 days to get >>>>>>>>>> vaccinated
Biden's remarks come as COVID cases continue to rise due to Delta >>>>>>>>>> variant
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
expect some of them to be upheld. I'm not a lawyer so I'm not >>>>>>>>> going to pretend to know how much power the President has to do >>>>>>>>> the things he is proposing. The courts are going to have the >>>>>>>>> final say on these matters.
I think it would be easier just to say to the unvaccinated, "If >>>>>>>>> you get deathly ill, the government isn't going to do anything >>>>>>>>> to help you. You're on your own. If you die, you die.".
vaccination
mandate.
states and the people. The default is the government doesn't have >>>>>>> the power to do it. That at least is how it is supposed to work.
Vietnam
conscription (the draft)?
"To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that
Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;"
United States was not supposed to have a standing army, so the
Congress can "raise an army" when needed, but it doesn't mean the
Congress can do it through conscription.
"Raise an army" is not the same as "conscription".
When you are authorized to "raise some funds" doesn't mean you can
grab money from other people's pockets.
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir to create new variantsGovernments don't have rights. Governments have powers. Under theThe Tenth Amendment has had a de facto repeal due to theThe federal government is the employer of federal employees. The
dereliction of duties by past Supreme Courts. The federal
government does far more than the Constitution authorizes. Perhaps >>>>>>> with five reliable conservatives on the court that might change
but I'll believe it when I see it.
I have heard that US soldiers have to take all kinds ofCommander-in-Chief, Biden can order military personnel to get
preventive vaccines. I am sure the federal government has the
right to
mandate vaccination to its employees as a condition of employment. >>>>>>> Soldiers give up much of their Constitutional liberties when they >>>>>>> enlist. For one they become subject to military justice. The right >>>>>>> of free speech also gets curtailed. I would bet that as
vaccinated. Not sure he has the same power over civilians.
employer has the right to demand from the employees proof of
vaccination.
Constitution, the federal government has limited powers. Whether
they have the power to force an employee to get vaccinated will be a >>>>> question for the courts to decide.
Are you going to argue that a fetus has a right to life? That wouldhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9978835/Mississippi-health-officials-say-stillbirths-unvaccinated-pregnant-women-DOUBLED.htmlThis article has some precedents of federal government forcing >>>>>>>> vaccineNote the key word below the title of the article. OPINION. The
on people:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/25/opinions/unvaccinated-cant-use-constitutional-rights-excuse-hamilton-offit/index.html
writers have their opinion. Others have an opposing opinion. In
the end it will be the opinion of the courts that carries the day. >>>>>>>
You do not have the 'constitutional right' to refuse the Covid-19 >>>>>>>> vaccineFor this last argument to carry weight, it needs to be established >>>>>>> that the unvaccinated are putting the lives of children and adults >>>>>>> at risk. That would be a hard case to make since it is rare for
(CNN)Now that the US Food and Drug Administration has approved the >>>>>>>> Pfizer/ BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine for people age 16 and older, >>>>>>>> it's time
for all governments across the country to mandate the vaccine for >>>>>>>> people
taking part in indoor activities. There are no more valid excuses >>>>>>>> for
not being vaccinated other than health reasons.
One frequently heard pushback against vaccine mandates is that >>>>>>>> there is
a "constitutional right" to choose whether to be vaccinated or >>>>>>>> not for
adults and a right to determine whether children can be
vaccinated. That
is a non-starter in the midst of a pandemic.
The Constitution is not a suicide pact guaranteeing a right to harm >>>>>>>> others. The government has latitude to protect citizens from deadly >>>>>>>> conditions, especially when the science supporting vaccination is >>>>>>>> so clear.
The bioethicist, professor Arthur Caplan of New York University, has >>>>>>>> made a compelling case for the moral mandate to require vaccination. >>>>>>>> Appearing with New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio in a news briefing >>>>>>>> last month to address the city mandating vaccines for all municipal >>>>>>>> workers, he argued that the new policy "makes good, ethical and >>>>>>>> public
health sense" and that "it will help all of us by keeping the COVID >>>>>>>> outbreak controlled."
We agree, but also believe that the public needs to better
understand
that there is no constitutional right to avoid vaccine mandates >>>>>>>> against
a deadly disease.
With respect to children, parents do not have carte blanche. At one >>>>>>>> time, children were the property of their fathers, but that is no >>>>>>>> longer
the case. Children are "persons" under the Constitution, and as the >>>>>>>> ruling in Prince v. Massachusetts held, parents do not have a
constitutional right to make martyrs of their children. Parents >>>>>>>> have an
obligation to protect their children's health and life, which
means that
the school district mandates that reduce the risk of death to
children
should be enforceable, period.
Those challenging the government mandates are likely to invoke their >>>>>>>> rights under the First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments, which >>>>>>>> protect
speech, religion, and a right not to "be deprived of life,
liberty, or
property, without due process of law." Their view ends up as a >>>>>>>> snapshot
of themselves; nonetheless, rights can be limited if a person is >>>>>>>> endangering another.
It's a sentiment that came up in the 1905 Supreme Court decision >>>>>>>> in the
case Jacobson v. Massachusetts. The court ruled against a man who >>>>>>>> had
refused to be vaccinated against smallpox, stating: "Real liberty >>>>>>>> for
all could not exist under the operation of a principle which
recognizes
the right of each individual person to use his own (liberty),
whether in
respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury >>>>>>>> that may
be done to others." That same principle was apparent when Justice >>>>>>>> Amy
Coney Barrett, who is thought to be a strong rights-advocate, left >>>>>>>> standing Indiana University's vaccine mandate.
The government may prohibit otherwise constitutionally protected >>>>>>>> conduct
to save the lives of others.
For example, it is well-settled that governments can ban yelling >>>>>>>> "Fire"
in a crowded theater, because such speech can lead to death as >>>>>>>> attendees
race to the exits. True, the First Amendment's Speech Clause
protects
the "freedom of speech," but there is no requirement that the
government
can't prevent scenarios likely leading to death.
The same reasoning applies to vaccine mandates. The Supreme Court >>>>>>>> explicitly upheld vaccine mandates against deadly diseases in
Jacobson,
where it explained: "the rights of the individual in respect of his >>>>>>>> liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be
subjected
to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the >>>>>>>> safety of the general public may demand." We live in a country of >>>>>>>> ordered liberty, not individual autonomy that paves the way to the >>>>>>>> deaths of others. In short, it is not the right of every American >>>>>>>> citizen to catch and transmit a potentially fatal infection.
We would posit, further, that governments that don't mandate
vaccination
against Covid-19 are skating very close to violating the standard >>>>>>>> for a
constitutional right to "life" without due process. If a
government does
not take reasonable action to prevent the likely deaths of so many >>>>>>>> people, there will be more lawsuits. Already, we've seen schools >>>>>>>> filing
lawsuits against former Trump administration officials and
individuals
suing the World Health Organization contending that they
mishandled the
Covid-19 response.
The depth of the science and the worldwide experience show
plainly that
vaccination is the best protection from this pandemic, and that the >>>>>>>> faster we reach herd immunity the more likely it will be that people >>>>>>>> won't die from this virus, hospitals won't be overburdened, and the >>>>>>>> economy will fully recover.
It is reckless at this point for the government not to mandate >>>>>>>> vaccination. Some politicians have falsely told Americans that >>>>>>>> they have
a constitutional right to refuse vaccination. This is a license to >>>>>>>> potentially infect others with a deadly disease when the Supreme >>>>>>>> Court
has consistently held otherwise.
Children and adults have a constitutional right to "life" that >>>>>>>> can only
be protected if there is mass vaccination. It's time for state >>>>>>>> and local
governments to issue vaccine mandates and fines -- as New York >>>>>>>> and San
Francisco have -- before this virus mutates into an even more
elusive
killer than it already is.
children to develop serious illnesses from the coronavirus.
run contrary to Roe v. Wade.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9978343/Girl-dies-sleep-day-testing-positive-COVID-unvaccinated-parents.htmlIt's going to take more than anecdotal evidence to establish that
unvaccinated people pose a significant health risk to children.
Seasonal flu is a much greater risk to young children. 188 deaths in >>>>> the 2019-2020 season. We've never mandated flu shots, masks, or
social distancing as a remedy for that.
It doesn't help your case to at once argue that vaccines should beDitto for vaccinated adults. It seems to me the only people
unvaccinated people are putting at risk is other unvaccinated people. >>>>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9978503/Covid-vaccine-effectiveness-against-infection-fell-91-78-Delta-dominant.html
mandatory and then turn around and point out that vaccinated people >>>>> can still die from the disease.
to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original variant. >>>>
unvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, think
real hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are churning
out the variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
carriers.
You told us that the vaccinated don't become symptomatic when they get
the DELTA virus.... which indicates that it's the people getting the
"FAKE VACCINE" who are the spreaders. The "vaccine" created 80 million *TYPHOID MARRY* super spreaders with the *DELTA STRAIN*.
They get the virus and shed the virus and their symptoms are reduced so
they think they're protected when all they're getting is a treatment for
the symptoms. And it doesn't reduce their viral load enough to stop the spread.
Scout wrote on 9/11/2021 8:23 AM:
"Mighty Wannabe" wrote in message news:YNT_I.4666$yIVd.2785@fx01.ams1...
max headroom wrote on 9/10/2021 7:22 PM:
In news:AHR_I.49801$I2bb.45521@fx06.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed:
Nic wrote on 9/10/2021 7:08 PM:
On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir[sic] to create new variants
to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original variant.
Seems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you consider the >>>>>> unvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, think >>>>>> real hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are churning >>>>>> out the variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
It comes mostly from the unvaccinated, especially the asymptomatic
carriers.
Cite?
It is as obvious as 1+1=2, or your mom is/was a woman.
IOW, you have no actual knowledge you're just asserting it's obvious
much like a flat earther claims it's obvious the Earth is flat.
You are aware that the vaccinated can spread the disease just as
easily as the non-vaccinated and they are doing so...
Please try to commit this to memory. You will remember if you read over
and over again enough number of times:
BeamMeUpScotty wrote on 9/11/2021 7:59 AM:
On 9/10/21 7:16 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
Nic wrote on 9/10/2021 7:08 PM:
On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir to create new variants >>>>> to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original variant.
Seems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you consider the
unvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, think
real hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are churning
out the variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
It comes mostly from the unvaccinated, especially the asymptomatic
carriers.
You told us that the vaccinated don't become symptomatic when they get
the DELTA virus.... which indicates that it's the people getting the
"FAKE VACCINE" who are the spreaders. The "vaccine" created 80 million
*TYPHOID MARRY* super spreaders with the *DELTA STRAIN*.
They get the virus and shed the virus and their symptoms are reduced so
they think they're protected when all they're getting is a treatment for
the symptoms. And it doesn't reduce their viral load enough to stop the
spread.
You talk like a raving idiot because you are sexually confused. You
cannot find your own ass using both hands at the same time.
Please read this carefully to educate yourself so you won't sound stupid
when you open your mouth:
In news:jY4%I.171478$64ef.64486@fx13.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed:
Scout wrote on 9/11/2021 8:23 AM:Why? It's irrelevant to the subject that the vaccinated can spread the disease just as
"Mighty Wannabe" wrote in message news:YNT_I.4666$yIVd.2785@fx01.ams1... >>>> max headroom wrote on 9/10/2021 7:22 PM:Please try to commit this to memory. You will remember if you read over
IOW, you have no actual knowledge you're just asserting it's obviousIn news:AHR_I.49801$I2bb.45521@fx06.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed:It is as obvious as 1+1=2, or your mom is/was a woman.
Nic wrote on 9/10/2021 7:08 PM:Cite?
On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:It comes mostly from the unvaccinated, especially the asymptomatic >>>>>> carriers.
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir[sic] to create new variants
to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original variant. >>>>>>> Seems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you consider the >>>>>>> unvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, think >>>>>>> real hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are churning >>>>>>> out the variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
much like a flat earther claims it's obvious the Earth is flat.
You are aware that the vaccinated can spread the disease just as
easily as the non-vaccinated and they are doing so...
and over again enough number of times:
easily as the non-vaccinated.
Deflection rejected.
You mean like the vaccinated ......
max headroom wrote on 9/11/2021 1:34 PM:
In news:jY4%I.171478$64ef.64486@fx13.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed:
Scout wrote on 9/11/2021 8:23 AM:
"Mighty Wannabe" wrote in message news:YNT_I.4666$yIVd.2785@fx01.ams1... >>>>> max headroom wrote on 9/10/2021 7:22 PM:
In news:AHR_I.49801$I2bb.45521@fx06.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed:
Nic wrote on 9/10/2021 7:08 PM:
On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir[sic] to create new variants
to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original variant.
Seems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you consider the >>>>>>>> unvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, think >>>>>>>> real hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are churning >>>>>>>> out the variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
It comes mostly from the unvaccinated, especially the asymptomatic >>>>>>> carriers.
Cite?
It is as obvious as 1+1=2, or your mom is/was a woman.
IOW, you have no actual knowledge you're just asserting it's obvious
much like a flat earther claims it's obvious the Earth is flat.
You are aware that the vaccinated can spread the disease just as
easily as the non-vaccinated and they are doing so...
Please try to commit this to memory. You will remember if you read over
and over again enough number of times:
Why? It's irrelevant to the subject that the vaccinated can spread the disease just as
easily as the non-vaccinated.
Deflection rejected.
Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxer !!!!
"max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message news:shgp4v$4gc$1@dont-email.me...
In news:WqR_I.43063$Ki4b.28276@fx05.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed:
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 6:43 PM:
It doesn't help your case to at once argue that vaccines should be
mandatory
and then turn
around and point out that vaccinated people can still die from the
disease.
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir[sic] to create new
variants to
kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original variant.
The same is true of the vaccinated.
If not more so..... because they don't take any precautions because
well... they are vaccinated.
"Mighty Wannabe" <👩🏽⚕️👨⚕️👮👨🏿🚒👷@🏻.🍁🎖️> wrote in message
news:HAP_I.212101$Fd_a.8560@fx08.ams1...
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 4:27 PM:
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 1:23:46 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe
wrote:
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 1:11 PM:That might be the problem. The Tenth Amendment says any powers not
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:48:58 PM UTC-4, Mighty WannabeI am sure there is nothing in the Constitution that forbid vaccination >>>> mandate.
wrote:
'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!I expect a slew of court challenges to these mandates and I expect
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M
unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on two-thirds
of ALL
workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
President Joe Biden slammed the 80 million Americans who have yet
to get a COVD vaccine shot, asking them 'what more is there to
wait for'
'We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin. And your
refusal has cost all of us,' he said
He ended his nearly 30 minute speech with a whispered plea: 'Get
vaccinated'
Biden announced an aggressive new plan to get 100 million employees >>>>>> across the federal government and private sector vaccinated
Labor Department to issue a temporary order to require all
businesses with 100 or more employees to have them vaccinated or
tested
weekly
Biden will require all federal workers to be vaccinated
Workers will not be given the option of testing out
There will be limited exceptions but any federal employee who
refuses the shot can be fired, White House press secretary Jen Psaki >>>>>> said Thursday
Federal employees and contractors will have 75 days to get
vaccinated
Biden's remarks come as COVID cases continue to rise due to Delta
variant
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
some of them to be upheld. I'm not a lawyer so I'm not going to
pretend to know how much power the President has to do the things
he is proposing. The courts are going to have the final say on
these matters.
I think it would be easier just to say to the unvaccinated, "If
you get deathly ill, the government isn't going to do anything to
help you. You're on your own. If you die, you die.".
specifically granted to the federal government belong to the states
and the people. The default is the government doesn't have the power
to do it. That at least is how it is supposed to work.
Has any state or individual been able to use that to nullify the
Vietnam conscription (the draft)?
The Tenth Amendment has had a de facto repeal due to the dereliction
of duties by past Supreme Courts. The federal government does far
more than the Constitution authorizes. Perhaps with five reliable
conservatives on the court that might change but I'll believe it
when I see it.
I have heard that US soldiers have to take all kinds ofSoldiers give up much of their Constitutional liberties when they
preventive vaccines. I am sure the federal government has the right to >>>> mandate vaccination to its employees as a condition of employment.
enlist. For one they become subject to military justice. The right
of free speech also gets curtailed. I would bet that as
Commander-in-Chief, Biden can order military personnel to get
vaccinated. Not sure he has the same power over civilians.
The federal government is the employer of federal employees. The
employer has the right to demand from the employees proof of
vaccination.
Actually they don't under federal HIPAA laws.
Are you suggesting the federal government would/should violate their
OWN laws?
'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M
unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on two-thirds of ALL workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
President Joe Biden slammed the 80 million Americans who have yet
to get a COVD vaccine shot, asking them 'what more is there to wait for'
'We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin. And your
refusal has cost all of us,' he said
He ended his nearly 30 minute speech with a whispered plea: 'Get vaccinated'
'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M
unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on two-thirds of
ALL workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
President Joe Biden slammed the 80 million Americans who have yet
to get a COVD vaccine shot, asking them 'what more is there to wait for'
'We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin. And your
refusal has cost all of us,' he said
He ended his nearly 30 minute speech with a whispered plea: 'Get vaccinated'
Biden announced an aggressive new plan to get 100 million
employees across the federal government and private sector vaccinated
Labor Department to issue a temporary order to require all
businesses with 100 or more employees to have them vaccinated or
tested weekly
Biden will require all federal workers to be vaccinated
Workers will not be given the option of testing out
There will be limited exceptions but any federal employee who
refuses the shot can be fired, White House press secretary Jen Psaki
said Thursday
Federal employees and contractors will have 75 days to get vaccinated
Biden's remarks come as COVID cases continue to rise due to Delta
variant
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bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 1:11 PM:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:48:58 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe
wrote:
'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!I expect a slew of court challenges to these mandates and I expect
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M
unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on two-thirds of
ALL
workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
President Joe Biden slammed the 80 million Americans who have yet
to get a COVD vaccine shot, asking them 'what more is there to wait
for'
'We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin. And your
refusal has cost all of us,' he said
He ended his nearly 30 minute speech with a whispered plea: 'Get
vaccinated'
Biden announced an aggressive new plan to get 100 million employees
across the federal government and private sector vaccinated
Labor Department to issue a temporary order to require all
businesses with 100 or more employees to have them vaccinated or
tested
weekly
Biden will require all federal workers to be vaccinated
Workers will not be given the option of testing out
There will be limited exceptions but any federal employee who
refuses the shot can be fired, White House press secretary Jen Psaki
said Thursday
Federal employees and contractors will have 75 days to get vaccinated
Biden's remarks come as COVID cases continue to rise due to Delta
variant
[continue . . . . . . ]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
some of them to be upheld. I'm not a lawyer so I'm not going to
pretend to know how much power the President has to do the things he
is proposing. The courts are going to have the final say on these
matters.
I think it would be easier just to say to the unvaccinated, "If you
get deathly ill, the government isn't going to do anything to help
you. You're on your own. If you die, you die.".
I am sure there is nothing in the Constitution that forbid
vaccination mandate.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution,
nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States
respectively, or to the people."
The 10th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.
Now... show me the enumerated power whereby the federal government can
demand vaccinations.
Maybe you should look at the facts rather than relying on your
ignorance of such?
On 9/9/21 9:48 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!80 million people is a lot of people to piss of, careful Joe they
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M
unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on two-thirds of
ALL workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
President Joe Biden slammed the 80 million Americans who have
yet to get a COVD vaccine shot, asking them 'what more is there to
wait for'
'We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin. And your
refusal has cost all of us,' he said
He ended his nearly 30 minute speech with a whispered plea: 'Get
vaccinated'
Biden announced an aggressive new plan to get 100 million
employees across the federal government and private sector vaccinated
Labor Department to issue a temporary order to require all
businesses with 100 or more employees to have them vaccinated or
tested weekly
Biden will require all federal workers to be vaccinated
Workers will not be given the option of testing out
There will be limited exceptions but any federal employee who
refuses the shot can be fired, White House press secretary Jen Psaki
said Thursday
Federal employees and contractors will have 75 days to get
vaccinated
Biden's remarks come as COVID cases continue to rise due to Delta
variant
[continue . . . . . . ]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
might get pissed off at you and they bite.
he cannot put together more than two sentences without forgetting what
year it is or who he is talking about.
'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on two-thirds of ALL workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
On 9/9/21 9:48 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M
unvaccinated
Americans in speech ordering mandates on two-thirds of ALL workers and
insists: 'This is not about freedom'
HEIL FAUCI: "There are a number of people, who for one reason or other,
don't want to comply and be vaccinated. We've GOT to get them vaccinated,
and hopefully they'll do it willingly. If not, there will HAVE to be
things
to put pressure on them, such as you're not going to work in this
particular
agency or institution, you'll not be able to go to this college or university, unless, in fact, you get vaccinated. I believe that once we
start doing that, you will start seeing more and more people WILLINGLY
(!)
get vaccinated."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mgAwHS5DTE&t=377s
On 9/9/21 9:48 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M
unvaccinated
Americans in speech ordering mandates on two-thirds of ALL workers and
insists: 'This is not about freedom'
HEIL FAUCI: "There are a number of people, who for one reason or other,
don't want to comply and be vaccinated. We've GOT to get them vaccinated,
and hopefully they'll do it willingly. If not, there will HAVE to be
things
to put pressure on them, such as you're not going to work in this
particular
agency or institution, you'll not be able to go to this college or university, unless, in fact, you get vaccinated. I believe that once we
start doing that, you will start seeing more and more people WILLINGLY
(!)
get vaccinated." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mgAwHS5DTE&t=377s
'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on two-thirds of ALL workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
Biden and Fauci are like like attentive parents trying to get rebellious children to eat veggies.--------
Scout wrote on 9/11/2021 8:11 AM:
"Mighty Wannabe" <👩🏽⚕️👨⚕️👮👨🏿🚒👷@🏻.🍁🎖️> wrote in message
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bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 1:11 PM:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:48:58 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe
wrote:
'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!I expect a slew of court challenges to these mandates and I expect some >>>> of them to be upheld. I'm not a lawyer so I'm not going to pretend to
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M
unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on two-thirds of
ALL
workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
President Joe Biden slammed the 80 million Americans who have yet
to get a COVD vaccine shot, asking them 'what more is there to wait
for'
'We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin. And your
refusal has cost all of us,' he said
He ended his nearly 30 minute speech with a whispered plea: 'Get
vaccinated'
Biden announced an aggressive new plan to get 100 million employees
across the federal government and private sector vaccinated
Labor Department to issue a temporary order to require all
businesses with 100 or more employees to have them vaccinated or
tested
weekly
Biden will require all federal workers to be vaccinated
Workers will not be given the option of testing out
There will be limited exceptions but any federal employee who
refuses the shot can be fired, White House press secretary Jen Psaki >>>>> said Thursday
Federal employees and contractors will have 75 days to get vaccinated >>>>>
Biden's remarks come as COVID cases continue to rise due to Delta
variant
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know how much power the President has to do the things he is proposing. >>>> The courts are going to have the final say on these matters.
I think it would be easier just to say to the unvaccinated, "If you get >>>> deathly ill, the government isn't going to do anything to help you.
You're on your own. If you die, you die.".
I am sure there is nothing in the Constitution that forbid vaccination
mandate.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively,
or to the people."
The 10th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.
Now... show me the enumerated power whereby the federal government can
demand vaccinations.
Maybe you should look at the facts rather than relying on your ignorance
of such?
Vaccine Mandates Are Lawful, Effective and Based on Rock-Solid Science
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccine-mandates-are-lawful-effective-and-based-on-rock-solid-science/
Scout wrote on 9/11/2021 8:21 AM:
You mean like the vaccinated ......
You are too stupid to be alive. Please don't play with matches. You may
burn the house down.
Scout wrote on 9/11/2021 8:14 AM:
"Mighty Wannabe" <👩🏽⚕️👨⚕️👮👨🏿🚒👷@🏻.🍁🎖️> wrote in message
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bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 4:27 PM:
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 1:23:46 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe
wrote:
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 1:11 PM:That might be the problem. The Tenth Amendment says any powers not
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:48:58 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe >>>>>> wrote:I am sure there is nothing in the Constitution that forbid vaccination >>>>> mandate.
'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!I expect a slew of court challenges to these mandates and I expect >>>>>> some of them to be upheld. I'm not a lawyer so I'm not going to
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M
unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on two-thirds of >>>>>>> ALL
workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
President Joe Biden slammed the 80 million Americans who have yet >>>>>>> to get a COVD vaccine shot, asking them 'what more is there to wait >>>>>>> for'
'We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin. And your
refusal has cost all of us,' he said
He ended his nearly 30 minute speech with a whispered plea: 'Get >>>>>>> vaccinated'
Biden announced an aggressive new plan to get 100 million employees >>>>>>> across the federal government and private sector vaccinated
Labor Department to issue a temporary order to require all
businesses with 100 or more employees to have them vaccinated or >>>>>>> tested
weekly
Biden will require all federal workers to be vaccinated
Workers will not be given the option of testing out
There will be limited exceptions but any federal employee who
refuses the shot can be fired, White House press secretary Jen Psaki >>>>>>> said Thursday
Federal employees and contractors will have 75 days to get
vaccinated
Biden's remarks come as COVID cases continue to rise due to Delta >>>>>>> variant
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pretend to know how much power the President has to do the things he >>>>>> is proposing. The courts are going to have the final say on these
matters.
I think it would be easier just to say to the unvaccinated, "If you >>>>>> get deathly ill, the government isn't going to do anything to help >>>>>> you. You're on your own. If you die, you die.".
specifically granted to the federal government belong to the states and >>>> the people. The default is the government doesn't have the power to do >>>> it. That at least is how it is supposed to work.
Has any state or individual been able to use that to nullify the Vietnam >>> conscription (the draft)?
The Tenth Amendment has had a de facto repeal due to the dereliction of >>>> duties by past Supreme Courts. The federal government does far more
than the Constitution authorizes. Perhaps with five reliable
conservatives on the court that might change but I'll believe it when I >>>> see it.
I have heard that US soldiers have to take all kinds ofSoldiers give up much of their Constitutional liberties when they
preventive vaccines. I am sure the federal government has the right to >>>>> mandate vaccination to its employees as a condition of employment.
enlist. For one they become subject to military justice. The right of
free speech also gets curtailed. I would bet that as
Commander-in-Chief, Biden can order military personnel to get
vaccinated. Not sure he has the same power over civilians.
The federal government is the employer of federal employees. The
employer has the right to demand from the employees proof of
vaccination.
Actually they don't under federal HIPAA laws.
Are you suggesting the federal government would/should violate their OWN
laws?
?????
Can you tie your own shoelaces? I am curious.
Scout wrote on 9/11/2021 8:23 AM:
"Mighty Wannabe" <???????????????????????@??.?????> wrote in message
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max headroom wrote on 9/10/2021 7:22 PM:
In news:AHR_I.49801$I2bb.45521@fx06.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed:
Nic wrote on 9/10/2021 7:08 PM:Cite?
On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:It comes mostly from the unvaccinated, especially the asymptomatic
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir[sic] to create new >>>>>>> variantsSeems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you consider the >>>>>> unvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, think >>>>>> real hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are churning >>>>>> out the variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original
variant.
carriers.
It is as obvious as 1+1=2, or your mom is/was a woman.
IOW, you have no actual knowledge you're just asserting it's obvious much
like a flat earther claims it's obvious the Earth is flat.
You are aware that the vaccinated can spread the disease just as easily
as the non-vaccinated and they are doing so...
Please try to commit this to memory. You will remember if you read over
and over again enough number of times:
Face masks do reduce the spread of pathogens.
things as medical mask and surgical mask in the hospital.
Scout wrote on 9/11/2021 8:24 AM:
"max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message
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In news:WqR_I.43063$Ki4b.28276@fx05.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed:
bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 6:43 PM:
It doesn't help your case to at once argue that vaccines should be
mandatory
and then turn
around and point out that vaccinated people can still die from the
disease.
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir[sic] to create new
variants to
kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original variant.
The same is true of the vaccinated.
If not more so..... because they don't take any precautions because
well... they are vaccinated.
You are too stupid to be alive. Are you a reanimated corpse? How did they
do it?
max headroom wrote on 9/11/2021 1:34 PM:
In news:jY4%I.171478$64ef.64486@fx13.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed:
Scout wrote on 9/11/2021 8:23 AM:Why? It's irrelevant to the subject that the vaccinated can spread the
"Mighty Wannabe" wrote in messagePlease try to commit this to memory. You will remember if you read over
news:YNT_I.4666$yIVd.2785@fx01.ams1...
max headroom wrote on 9/10/2021 7:22 PM:IOW, you have no actual knowledge you're just asserting it's obvious
In news:AHR_I.49801$I2bb.45521@fx06.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed:It is as obvious as 1+1=2, or your mom is/was a woman.
Nic wrote on 9/10/2021 7:08 PM:Cite?
On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:It comes mostly from the unvaccinated, especially the asymptomatic >>>>>>> carriers.
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir[sic] to create new >>>>>>>>> variantsSeems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you consider >>>>>>>> the
to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original >>>>>>>>> variant.
unvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, think >>>>>>>> real hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are
churning
out the variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
much like a flat earther claims it's obvious the Earth is flat.
You are aware that the vaccinated can spread the disease just as
easily as the non-vaccinated and they are doing so...
and over again enough number of times:
disease just as
easily as the non-vaccinated.
Deflection rejected.
Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxer !!!!
"Mighty Wannabe" <👩🏽⚕️👨⚕️👮👨🏿🚒👷@🏻.🍁🎖️> wrote in message
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Scout wrote on 9/11/2021 8:11 AM:
"Mighty Wannabe" <👩🏽⚕️👨⚕️👮👨🏿🚒👷@🏻.🍁🎖️> wrote in message
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bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 1:11 PM:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:48:58 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe
wrote:
'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!I expect a slew of court challenges to these mandates and I expect
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M
unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on two-thirds
of ALL
workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
President Joe Biden slammed the 80 million Americans who have yet
to get a COVD vaccine shot, asking them 'what more is there to
wait for'
'We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin. And your
refusal has cost all of us,' he said
He ended his nearly 30 minute speech with a whispered plea: 'Get
vaccinated'
Biden announced an aggressive new plan to get 100 million employees >>>>>> across the federal government and private sector vaccinated
Labor Department to issue a temporary order to require all
businesses with 100 or more employees to have them vaccinated or
tested
weekly
Biden will require all federal workers to be vaccinated
Workers will not be given the option of testing out
There will be limited exceptions but any federal employee who
refuses the shot can be fired, White House press secretary Jen Psaki >>>>>> said Thursday
Federal employees and contractors will have 75 days to get
vaccinated
Biden's remarks come as COVID cases continue to rise due to Delta
variant
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
some of them to be upheld. I'm not a lawyer so I'm not going to
pretend to know how much power the President has to do the things
he is proposing. The courts are going to have the final say on
these matters.
I think it would be easier just to say to the unvaccinated, "If
you get deathly ill, the government isn't going to do anything to
help you. You're on your own. If you die, you die.".
I am sure there is nothing in the Constitution that forbid
vaccination mandate.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution,
nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States
respectively, or to the people."
The 10th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.
Now... show me the enumerated power whereby the federal government
can demand vaccinations.
Maybe you should look at the facts rather than relying on your
ignorance of such?
Vaccine Mandates Are Lawful, Effective and Based on Rock-Solid Science
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccine-mandates-are-lawful-effective-and-based-on-rock-solid-science/
You apparently missed the point where the government is telling itself
they can do 'whatever'.
I asked you to show me the enumerated power that they can do so as
called for by the Constitution.
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max headroom wrote on 9/11/2021 1:34 PM:
In news:jY4%I.171478$64ef.64486@fx13.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed:
Scout wrote on 9/11/2021 8:23 AM:Why? It's irrelevant to the subject that the vaccinated can spread
"Mighty Wannabe" wrote in messagePlease try to commit this to memory. You will remember if you read
news:YNT_I.4666$yIVd.2785@fx01.ams1...
max headroom wrote on 9/10/2021 7:22 PM:IOW, you have no actual knowledge you're just asserting it's obvious >>>>> much like a flat earther claims it's obvious the Earth is flat.
In news:AHR_I.49801$I2bb.45521@fx06.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed: >>>>>>>> Nic wrote on 9/10/2021 7:08 PM:It is as obvious as 1+1=2, or your mom is/was a woman.
Cite?On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:It comes mostly from the unvaccinated, especially the asymptomatic >>>>>>>> carriers.
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir[sic] to create >>>>>>>>>> new variantsSeems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you
to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original >>>>>>>>>> variant.
consider the
unvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, >>>>>>>>> think
real hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are
churning
out the variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
You are aware that the vaccinated can spread the disease just as
easily as the non-vaccinated and they are doing so...
over
and over again enough number of times:
the disease just as
easily as the non-vaccinated.
Deflection rejected.
Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxer !!!!
And just like that Wannabe doesn't want to discuss how the vaccinated
are endangering us all by spreading the disease...
Scout wrote on 9/13/2021 8:18 AM:
"Mighty Wannabe" <???????????????????????@??.?????> wrote in message
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max headroom wrote on 9/11/2021 1:34 PM:
In news:jY4%I.171478$64ef.64486@fx13.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed:
Scout wrote on 9/11/2021 8:23 AM:Why? It's irrelevant to the subject that the vaccinated can spread
"Mighty Wannabe" wrote in messagePlease try to commit this to memory. You will remember if you read
news:YNT_I.4666$yIVd.2785@fx01.ams1...
max headroom wrote on 9/10/2021 7:22 PM:IOW, you have no actual knowledge you're just asserting it's obvious >>>>>> much like a flat earther claims it's obvious the Earth is flat.
In news:AHR_I.49801$I2bb.45521@fx06.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed: >>>>>>>>> Nic wrote on 9/10/2021 7:08 PM:It is as obvious as 1+1=2, or your mom is/was a woman.
Cite?On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:It comes mostly from the unvaccinated, especially the asymptomatic >>>>>>>>> carriers.
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir[sic] to create >>>>>>>>>>> new variantsSeems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you
to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original >>>>>>>>>>> variant.
consider the
unvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, >>>>>>>>>> think
real hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are >>>>>>>>>> churning
out the variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
You are aware that the vaccinated can spread the disease just as
easily as the non-vaccinated and they are doing so...
over
and over again enough number of times:
the disease just as
easily as the non-vaccinated.
Deflection rejected.
Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxer !!!!
And just like that Wannabe doesn't want to discuss how the vaccinated
are endangering us all by spreading the disease...
You are a walking miracle, You are supposed to be too stupid to be alive.
You can educate yourself so you won't talk stupid if you can managing to
shut your pie hole long enough to read what I had posted:
Face masks do reduce the spread of pathogens.
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Scout wrote on 9/11/2021 8:23 AM:
"Mighty Wannabe" <???????????????????????@??.?????> wrote in message
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max headroom wrote on 9/10/2021 7:22 PM:
In news:AHR_I.49801$I2bb.45521@fx06.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed:
Nic wrote on 9/10/2021 7:08 PM:Cite?
On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:It comes mostly from the unvaccinated, especially the
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir[sic] to createSeems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you
new variants
to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original
variant.
consider the
unvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, think >>>>>>> real hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are
churning
out the variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
asymptomatic carriers.
It is as obvious as 1+1=2, or your mom is/was a woman.
IOW, you have no actual knowledge you're just asserting it's obvious
much like a flat earther claims it's obvious the Earth is flat.
You are aware that the vaccinated can spread the disease just as
easily as the non-vaccinated and they are doing so...
Please try to commit this to memory. You will remember if you read
over and over again enough number of times:
Face masks do reduce the spread of pathogens.
Prove it.
That's why there are such
things as medical mask and surgical mask in the hospital.
Yea, and if it's not an N95 grade mask it hospitals don't use it
around viruses.
You do understand that different masks have different capabilities and
just saying that hospitals use masks means that pulling a panty hose
over your head doesn't mean you're safe from disease?
Oh, and let's not forget we're told NOT to use N95 masks something
about how the hospitals need them.
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Scout wrote on 9/11/2021 8:21 AM:
You mean like the vaccinated ......
You are too stupid to be alive. Please don't play with matches. You may burn >> the house down.
When confronted with facts that
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Scout wrote on 9/11/2021 8:11 AM:
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bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 1:11 PM:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:48:58 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe wrote: >>>>>> 'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!
I expect a slew of court challenges to these mandates and I expect some of
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M
unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on two-thirds of ALL >>>>>> workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
President Joe Biden slammed the 80 million Americans who have yet
to get a COVD vaccine shot, asking them 'what more is there to wait for' >>>>>>
'We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin. And your
refusal has cost all of us,' he said
He ended his nearly 30 minute speech with a whispered plea: 'Get
vaccinated'
Biden announced an aggressive new plan to get 100 million employees >>>>>> across the federal government and private sector vaccinated
Labor Department to issue a temporary order to require all
businesses with 100 or more employees to have them vaccinated or tested >>>>>> weekly
Biden will require all federal workers to be vaccinated
Workers will not be given the option of testing out
There will be limited exceptions but any federal employee who
refuses the shot can be fired, White House press secretary Jen Psaki >>>>>> said Thursday
Federal employees and contractors will have 75 days to get vaccinated >>>>>>
Biden's remarks come as COVID cases continue to rise due to Delta
variant
[continue . . . . . . ]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
them to be upheld. I'm not a lawyer so I'm not going to pretend to know how
much power the President has to do the things he is proposing. The courts >>>>> are going to have the final say on these matters.
I think it would be easier just to say to the unvaccinated, "If you get >>>>> deathly ill, the government isn't going to do anything to help you. You're
on your own. If you die, you die.".
I am sure there is nothing in the Constitution that forbid vaccination mandate.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or >>> to the people."
The 10th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.
Now... show me the enumerated power whereby the federal government can demand
vaccinations.
Maybe you should look at the facts rather than relying on your ignorance of >>> such?
Vaccine Mandates Are Lawful, Effective and Based on Rock-Solid Science
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccine-mandates-are-lawful-effective-and-based-on-rock-solid-science/
You apparently missed the point where the government is telling itself they can
do 'whatever'.
On 9/13/21 9:23 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
Scout wrote on 9/13/2021 8:18 AM:Pathogens come in many sized....
"Mighty Wannabe" <???????????????????????@??.?????> wrote in message
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max headroom wrote on 9/11/2021 1:34 PM:And just like that Wannabe doesn't want to discuss how the vaccinated
In news:jY4%I.171478$64ef.64486@fx13.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed:Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxer !!!!
Scout wrote on 9/11/2021 8:23 AM:Why? It's irrelevant to the subject that the vaccinated can spread
"Mighty Wannabe" wrote in messagePlease try to commit this to memory. You will remember if you read >>>>>> over
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max headroom wrote on 9/10/2021 7:22 PM:IOW, you have no actual knowledge you're just asserting it's obvious >>>>>>> much like a flat earther claims it's obvious the Earth is flat.
In news:AHR_I.49801$I2bb.45521@fx06.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed: >>>>>>>>>> Nic wrote on 9/10/2021 7:08 PM:It is as obvious as 1+1=2, or your mom is/was a woman.
Cite?On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:It comes mostly from the unvaccinated, especially the asymptomatic >>>>>>>>>> carriers.
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir[sic] to create >>>>>>>>>>>> new variantsSeems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you >>>>>>>>>>> consider the
to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original >>>>>>>>>>>> variant.
unvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, >>>>>>>>>>> think
real hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are >>>>>>>>>>> churning
out the variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
You are aware that the vaccinated can spread the disease just as >>>>>>> easily as the non-vaccinated and they are doing so...
and over again enough number of times:
the disease just as
easily as the non-vaccinated.
Deflection rejected.
are endangering us all by spreading the disease...
You are a walking miracle, You are supposed to be too stupid to be alive.
You can educate yourself so you won't talk stupid if you can managing to
shut your pie hole long enough to read what I had posted:
Face masks do reduce the spread of pathogens.
What size are you trying to reduce? A virus is one of the smallest and
an airborne virus is more like a gas than droplets of spit. What kind
of mask are you wanting to mandate for Americans, will it filter out
things smaller than 1 micron and seal around the eyes nose and mouth and
are the ears or any cuts on their body also an entry point for this virus?
Scout wrote on 9/13/2021 8:18 AM:
"Mighty Wannabe" <???????????????????????@??.?????> wrote in message
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max headroom wrote on 9/11/2021 1:34 PM:
In news:jY4%I.171478$64ef.64486@fx13.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed:
Scout wrote on 9/11/2021 8:23 AM:Why? It's irrelevant to the subject that the vaccinated can spread the >>>> disease just as
"Mighty Wannabe" wrote in messagePlease try to commit this to memory. You will remember if you read
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max headroom wrote on 9/10/2021 7:22 PM:IOW, you have no actual knowledge you're just asserting it's obvious >>>>>> much like a flat earther claims it's obvious the Earth is flat.
In news:AHR_I.49801$I2bb.45521@fx06.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed: >>>>>>>>> Nic wrote on 9/10/2021 7:08 PM:It is as obvious as 1+1=2, or your mom is/was a woman.
Cite?On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:It comes mostly from the unvaccinated, especially the asymptomatic >>>>>>>>> carriers.
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir[sic] to create >>>>>>>>>>> new variantsSeems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you consider >>>>>>>>>> the
to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original >>>>>>>>>>> variant.
unvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, >>>>>>>>>> think
real hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are >>>>>>>>>> churning
out the variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
You are aware that the vaccinated can spread the disease just as
easily as the non-vaccinated and they are doing so...
over
and over again enough number of times:
easily as the non-vaccinated.
Deflection rejected.
Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxer !!!!
And just like that Wannabe doesn't want to discuss how the vaccinated are
endangering us all by spreading the disease...
You are a walking miracle, You are supposed to be too stupid to be alive.
Scout wrote on 9/13/2021 8:12 AM:
"Mighty Wannabe" <👩🏽⚕️👨⚕️👮👨🏿🚒👷@🏻.🍁🎖️> wrote in message
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Scout wrote on 9/11/2021 8:11 AM:
"Mighty Wannabe" <👩🏽⚕️👨⚕️👮👨🏿🚒👷@🏻.🍁🎖️> wrote in message
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bigdog wrote on 9/10/2021 1:11 PM:
On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:48:58 PM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe >>>>>> wrote:
'Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxers !!!!I expect a slew of court challenges to these mandates and I expect >>>>>> some of them to be upheld. I'm not a lawyer so I'm not going to
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
'Your refusal has cost us all': Biden declares war on the 80M
unvaccinated Americans in speech ordering mandates on two-thirds of >>>>>>> ALL
workers and insists: 'This is not about freedom'
President Joe Biden slammed the 80 million Americans who have yet >>>>>>> to get a COVD vaccine shot, asking them 'what more is there to wait >>>>>>> for'
'We've been patient but our patience is wearing thin. And your
refusal has cost all of us,' he said
He ended his nearly 30 minute speech with a whispered plea: 'Get >>>>>>> vaccinated'
Biden announced an aggressive new plan to get 100 million employees >>>>>>> across the federal government and private sector vaccinated
Labor Department to issue a temporary order to require all
businesses with 100 or more employees to have them vaccinated or >>>>>>> tested
weekly
Biden will require all federal workers to be vaccinated
Workers will not be given the option of testing out
There will be limited exceptions but any federal employee who
refuses the shot can be fired, White House press secretary Jen Psaki >>>>>>> said Thursday
Federal employees and contractors will have 75 days to get
vaccinated
Biden's remarks come as COVID cases continue to rise due to Delta >>>>>>> variant
[continue . . . . . . ]
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9975531/Biden-declares-war-80M-unvaccinated-Americans.html
pretend to know how much power the President has to do the things he >>>>>> is proposing. The courts are going to have the final say on these
matters.
I think it would be easier just to say to the unvaccinated, "If you >>>>>> get deathly ill, the government isn't going to do anything to help >>>>>> you. You're on your own. If you die, you die.".
I am sure there is nothing in the Constitution that forbid vaccination >>>>> mandate.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor >>>> prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States
respectively, or to the people."
The 10th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America. >>>>
Now... show me the enumerated power whereby the federal government can >>>> demand vaccinations.
Maybe you should look at the facts rather than relying on your
ignorance of such?
Vaccine Mandates Are Lawful, Effective and Based on Rock-Solid Science
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccine-mandates-are-lawful-effective-and-based-on-rock-solid-science/
You apparently missed the point where the government is telling itself
they can do 'whatever'.
I asked you to show me the enumerated power that they can do so as called
for by the Constitution.
The Constitution didn't give your the enumerated power to wipe your ass,
but I assume you do, in contravention to the Constitution.
Scout wrote on 9/13/2021 8:17 AM:
"Mighty Wannabe" <???????????????????????@??.?????> wrote in message
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Scout wrote on 9/11/2021 8:23 AM:
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max headroom wrote on 9/10/2021 7:22 PM:
In news:AHR_I.49801$I2bb.45521@fx06.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed:
Nic wrote on 9/10/2021 7:08 PM:Cite?
On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:It comes mostly from the unvaccinated, especially the asymptomatic >>>>>>> carriers.
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir[sic] to create new >>>>>>>>> variantsSeems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you consider >>>>>>>> the
to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original >>>>>>>>> variant.
unvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, think >>>>>>>> real hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are
churning
out the variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
It is as obvious as 1+1=2, or your mom is/was a woman.
IOW, you have no actual knowledge you're just asserting it's obvious
much like a flat earther claims it's obvious the Earth is flat.
You are aware that the vaccinated can spread the disease just as easily >>>> as the non-vaccinated and they are doing so...
Please try to commit this to memory. You will remember if you read over
and over again enough number of times:
Face masks do reduce the spread of pathogens.
Prove it.
That's why there are such
things as medical mask and surgical mask in the hospital.
Yea, and if it's not an N95 grade mask it hospitals don't use it around
viruses.
You do understand that different masks have different capabilities and
just saying that hospitals use masks means that pulling a panty hose over
your head doesn't mean you're safe from disease?
Oh, and let's not forget we're told NOT to use N95 masks something about
how the hospitals need them.
You are a walking miracle, You are supposed to be too stupid to be alive.
You can educate yourself so you won't talk stupid if you can managing to
shut your pie hole long enough to read what I had posted:
Face masks [can] reduce the spread of pathogens. That's why there are such things as [special purpose] medical mask and surgical mask in the
hospital.
Face masks don't have to be perfect [but they do need a certain level of protection to be at all effective].
Reducing the amount of pathogens you inhale [by be] enough protection to >prevent you from getting sick, [assuming you are wearing a mask that is
both capable of doing do, and it being properly handled, worn, cared for a >disposed of]
It is true that the diameter of the COVID virus is smaller than the pore
size of the face mask, but don't forget that [you're going to claim
something false which is] the static electricity created in the fabric by
air passing through can trap the virus particles.
Besides, the face mask will start clogging up and the pore diameter will become smaller so that it can trap even smaller particles.
You have to understand that most likely you won't get sick by getting one single virus particle. How fast the virus can multiply in your body
depends on the viral load. It takes a long time for the virus to establish
in your body. The time is called "latency period". After the latency
period, the viral load or inside your body would be ready to multiply exponentially and you will get very sick.
With social distancing and face masks, you can reduce the COVID viral load that you inhale.
With vaccination you train your body to recognize the COVID virus as
invaders and starting the immune response before the COVID virus can fully establish in your body during the latency period.
Social distancing and face masks are the ways to prevent you from getting
the virus.
Vaccines prevent you from getting very sick or dying from the virus:
BeamMeUpScotty wrote on 9/13/2021 9:43 AM:
On 9/13/21 9:23 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
Scout wrote on 9/13/2021 8:18 AM:Pathogens come in many sized....
"Mighty Wannabe" <???????????????????????@??.?????> wrote in message
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max headroom wrote on 9/11/2021 1:34 PM:And just like that Wannabe doesn't want to discuss how the vaccinated
In news:jY4%I.171478$64ef.64486@fx13.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed:Your refusal has cost us all', you stupid antivaxxer !!!!
Scout wrote on 9/11/2021 8:23 AM:Why? It's irrelevant to the subject that the vaccinated can spread >>>>>> the disease just as
"Mighty Wannabe" wrote in messagePlease try to commit this to memory. You will remember if you read >>>>>>> over
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max headroom wrote on 9/10/2021 7:22 PM:IOW, you have no actual knowledge you're just asserting it's
In news:AHR_I.49801$I2bb.45521@fx06.ams1, Mighty Wannabe typed: >>>>>>>>>>> Nic wrote on 9/10/2021 7:08 PM:It is as obvious as 1+1=2, or your mom is/was a woman.
Cite?On 9/10/21 6:59 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:It comes mostly from the unvaccinated, especially the
The unvaccinated are acting as COVID reservoir[sic] to create >>>>>>>>>>>>> new variantsSeems like the variant is coming from the vaxxed, if you >>>>>>>>>>>> consider the
to kill even the ones already vaccinated against the original >>>>>>>>>>>>> variant.
unvaccinted who have NOT gotten ill or had the primary covid, >>>>>>>>>>>> think
real hard and answer honestly, is it the vaccinated who are >>>>>>>>>>>> churning
out the variant's or the healthy un-vaccinated?
asymptomatic
carriers.
obvious
much like a flat earther claims it's obvious the Earth is flat. >>>>>>>> You are aware that the vaccinated can spread the disease just as >>>>>>>> easily as the non-vaccinated and they are doing so...
and over again enough number of times:
easily as the non-vaccinated.
Deflection rejected.
are endangering us all by spreading the disease...
You are a walking miracle, You are supposed to be too stupid to be
alive.
You can educate yourself so you won't talk stupid if you can managing to >>> shut your pie hole long enough to read what I had posted:
Face masks do reduce the spread of pathogens.
What size are you trying to reduce? A virus is one of the smallest and
an airborne virus is more like a gas than droplets of spit. What kind
of mask are you wanting to mandate for Americans, will it filter out
things smaller than 1 micron and seal around the eyes nose and mouth and
are the ears or any cuts on their body also an entry point for this
virus?
You too are like "Scout", both supposed to be too stupid to be alive.
The two of you miraculous managed to void being pancaked by a bus after so many decades, and still wasting air and water which have better use than
keep you two mouthbreathers alive. What odds?
The answer to your "virus size" and "mask pore size" questions were in my reply you have deleted.
Here I repeat below for you education:
Face masks do reduce the spread of pathogens. That's why there are such things as medical mask and surgical mask in the hospital.
Scout wrote on 9/13/2021 8:12 AM:
You apparently missed the point where the government is telling itself
they can do 'whatever'.
I asked you to show me the enumerated power that they can do so as
called for by the Constitution.
The Constitution didn't give your the enumerated power to wipe your ass,
but I assume you do, in contravention to the Constitution.
If I wear a wire mesh mask with 1/8" pores will that work against a
virus?
Scout wrote on 9/13/2021 11:53 AM:
If I wear a wire mesh mask with 1/8" pores will that work against a
virus?
You should wear a ball-gag, and then a butt-plug so you are covered at
both ends.
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typed:
Scout wrote on 9/13/2021 8:12 AM:
You apparently missed the point where the government is telling itself
they can do 'whatever'.
I asked you to show me the enumerated power that they can do so as
called for by the Constitution.
The Constitution didn't give your the enumerated power to wipe your ass,
but I assume you do, in contravention to the Constitution.
You're reduced to spouting nonsense because you have no coherent answer to Scout's points.
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<Y'Y?s.?Y'?s.?Y'Y'Y?Ys'Y'@Y.YYZ-?>
typed:
Scout wrote on 9/13/2021 8:12 AM:
You apparently missed the point where the government is telling itself >>>> they can do 'whatever'.
I asked you to show me the enumerated power that they can do so as
called for by the Constitution.
The Constitution didn't give your the enumerated power to wipe your ass, >>> but I assume you do, in contravention to the Constitution.
You're reduced to spouting nonsense because you have no coherent answer to >> Scout's points.
Particularly when you remember he claimed such a power was in the Constitution.
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