• What do you think about 5G?

    From JF Mezei@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 18 16:20:56 2020
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    One of the first Google hits has the explanation for interference with
    weather satellites:


    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03609-x
    ##
    The 5G transmissions will involve many frequencies, but the key one
    under discussion is 23.8 gigahertz. Water vapour in the atmosphere
    naturally produces a weak signal at this frequency, which satellites use
    to measure humidity. Those data feed into weather forecasts. But if a 5G station is transmitting a signal near the 23.8-gigahertz frequency, a
    weather satellite might pick it up and interpret it as water vapour. And
    that bad data could degrade forecasts.
    ##

    NoteL the 24ghz hasn't been deployed yet. What is being deployed is on
    existing or near existing LTE frequencies. But the millimeter wave
    projects are the one which can interfere. (that is the one with antennas
    every few metres along a road).

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca on Sat Jan 18 16:36:45 2020
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    In article <YEKUF.112730$hD4.15928@fx47.iad>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

    The 5G transmissions will involve many frequencies, but the key one
    under discussion is 23.8 gigahertz.

    there's more to 5g than *just* 23.8 ghz

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca on Sat Jan 18 17:49:57 2020
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In article <mMLUF.20968$Ys3.20749@fx21.iad>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

    The 5G transmissions will involve many frequencies, but the key one
    under discussion is 23.8 gigahertz.

    there's more to 5g than *just* 23.8 ghz


    The Interfecence issue concerns only plamns to deploy wirreless
    (whatever G) on th 24ghz band.

    again, there's more to 5g than just that one band.

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  • From JF Mezei@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Jan 18 17:37:06 2020
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2020-01-18 16:36, nospam wrote:
    In article <YEKUF.112730$hD4.15928@fx47.iad>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

    The 5G transmissions will involve many frequencies, but the key one
    under discussion is 23.8 gigahertz.

    there's more to 5g than *just* 23.8 ghz


    The Interfecence issue concerns only plamns to deploy wirreless
    (whatever G) on th 24ghz band.

    Here is the American Institude pf pHysics article on issue:

    https://www.aip.org/fyi/2019/noaa-warns-5g-spectrum-interference-presents-major-threat-weather-forecasts

    Apparently, a compromise is being reached to leave enough frequency
    distance between cellular and the frequency of water vapour to avoir interference. (aka: less spectrum in 24ghz band available due to guard frequencies).

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  • From JF Mezei@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 20 00:02:55 2020
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2020-01-19 09:16, KWills Shill #2 wrote:

    Not to the weather satellite data you mentioned. The receivers
    will disregard anything that isn't in the specific band being
    transmitted by the satellites.


    It is the reverse. The satellites listen for emission in the 24ghz range
    (23.9 from what I read). It is water vapour which naturally emits at
    those frequencies.


    So emission from cellphone towers and handsets are very vert powerful
    compared to emissions by water vapour.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Michael Christ on Mon Jan 20 17:37:55 2020
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2020-01-20 16:03, Michael Christ wrote:

    On your device in a busy area you are the convergence of many
    electromagnetic signals and so is everyone else.

    Radio energy decreases as a function of distance squared from each
    source. So even if thousands of sources are hitting you, you are so far
    away as to be experiencing microscule amounts of power from those sources.

    Since these radio signals (G5) are not anywhere close to ionizing
    radiation frequencies they pose no threat for cell mutations or other
    damage.

    Any other supposed harm (such as from your own cellphone transmitter) is theoretical so far. No cases of harm due to cell phone use (other than
    death by selfie and similar cases) has been proven statistically or
    otherwise. (Weak correlation is not causation).


    But if your vested interest is just to make me appear like an idiot to
    build your case, okay.  That is all too common.

    You're building that case all by yourself. Put another way, when you've
    dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.


    You did just that.  I have on my side millions and millions of these
    very high traffic towers all around us in close proximity and you
    dismiss it as nothing.

    They are not in close proximity and the power levels are quite low. 5G
    will be even lower power for each source.

    If you look there are many well educated people who are heralding a
    strong warning about this.  Are they all fools, nothing to see here folks?

    Cite sources. "well educated people" can mean a lot of things without
    them being qualified to state a warning on this subject.

    It is not about proving, it is about intuition and experience in life,
    just like it is for you.

    Claims require proof. Big claims require bigger proof.

    Intuition and experience are valuable things but they don't resolve to
    truth.

    Man decided to bring these types of things into our lives, like the
    pollution from cars, the plastic in the oceans, murdering babies in the
    womb, all kinds of pollution from our actions, destruction of the environment, animal, insect, atmosphere and so on.

    "Look the other way" statement. Weak.


    But man still marches on hoping there will be no tipping point, 5g
    (ramped up communication electromagnetic radiation) filling our world
    with all the more 'unnatural', it is just another thing.

    5G is the least of our worries. Go preach the removal of SUV's please.
    That would be a great help.


          You've yet to offer anything that would support, let alone prove, >> your delusions to be real.

    Nobody is proving anything here.  It is ignorance and hypocrisy to
    demand proof because everything is belief.  You are surmising, because
    you can't predict the future, and I am surmising, but the truth will
    appear in time.

    Waffle-wiffle of the least useful kind. Were your ancestors witch
    doctors or fortune tellers?

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