My sister’s significant other had his iPhone stolen in France last
week. He's on AT&T. He’s a artistic performer who travels all over
the world, and she goes along. They’re both experienced world
travelers (though apparently not experienced enough to prevent being >pickpocketed) and they always buy physical SIM cards when they arrive
since they need a local phone number for the country or region
they’re visiting; data-only SIM cards (or data-only eSIMs) are not an >option.
Should be easy to get a new iPhone with a physical SIM slot right?
Just go down to the Apple Store or AT&T store and buy a new iPhone
13/13 Mini/13 Pro/13 Pro Max, at full price (AT&T will unlock a
paid-in-full phone with no waiting period), that has a physical SIM
slot as well as eSIM support. But it’s actually not so easy.
Yesterday she tells me that he’s ordered a new unlocked iPhone 14 Pro
from Apple and I asked her if he knew that there was no physical SIM
card slot on the iPhone 14 models sold in the U.S.. He did not know
this and he was astounded to learn this. He’s going to return the
iPhone 14 Plus when it comes in and buy something else.
Now he wants an unlocked iPhone 13 Pro. Unfortunately, these are no
longer sold unlocked by Apple, either new or refurbished, though some >carriers still have some left (but not AT&T).
I called the physical AT&T store near them and explained what I
wanted, and why, and they said that the iPhone 14 generated a lot of
demand for the iPhone 13 (because of the SIM slot issue) and they
quickly sold out of all the iPhone 13 models and were not getting
more.
T-Mobile still has some of the iPhone 13 Pro phones ($949.99 for
512GB) which is a good deal (20% off the MSRP of $1199.99) and that’s
an option, but unlike AT&T, paying in full doesn’t get you an
unlocked phone, you have to be on T-Mobile for 40 days before you can
get it unlocked, which would be a pain since he’s traveling to an
area with poor T-Mobile coverage in three weeks, but it’s not too bad
to live with T-Mobile for two months. He can get the Magenta® 55+
plan for $50/month for two months (the less expensive Essentials 55+
plan is actually more because it adds taxes and fees).
U.S. Mobile sells only unlocked phones, but they are sold out of the
iPhone 13 Pro <https://www.usmobile.com/shop/product/iPhone-13-Pro>.
Total by Verizon has the 128GB iPhone 13 Pro for $899.99 ><https://www.totalbyverizon.com/smartphones/apple-iphone-13-pro-128gb- >prepaid>, unlocked after 60 days on a $25/month plan, and this would
work since it’s on Verizon which has good coverage. But for $50 more
he can get the 512GB model from T-Mobile. Total by Verizon does not
support eSIM yet so they don't even sell any iPhone 14 models.
Visible has only the 1TB iPhone 13 Pro model, in gold, left, for a
whopping $1399 ><https://www.visible.com/shop/smartphones/iphone-13-pro?sku=MLUC3LL/A>.
He has no trade-in anymore, but in any case it doesn’t matter because
he needs an unlocked phone so he can’t purchase it on an installment
plan to get bill credits, and AT&T is sold out of all 13 Pro models
anyway.
So the best option appears to be to port into T-Mobile and buy the
512GB iPhone 13 for $949.99 and then after 40 days he can port back
out to AT&T.
I can already see our favorite trolls proclaiming that foreign
prepaid eSIMs are the answer.
While data-only eSIMs are easily available to work in most countries
(though not all countries), for a traveler to buy a short-term eSIM
with an actual phone number is more difficult, and in some cases has >limitations: i.e. “Please note that the eSIM must be activated in
France before it can be used in any other countries of coverage.”
Some have a requirement that top-ups for non-EU residents be done
only in the country where the carrier is located, i.e. “International >credit cards and PayPal are accepted for all EU-Citizens from
anywhere in the EU. For Non-EU Citizens, top-up is only available
within the Czech Republic.”
It looks like <https://travel.orange.com/en/offers/europe/> would
work, since you get a phone number (France) but it doesn’t need to be
first activated in France. This is more expensive than buying a >country-specific physical SIM card but at least you don’t have to
shop around once you arrive. The other issue with the physical SIM is
that he knows how to go to a store, buy a SIM, and insert it into the
phone in place of his AT&T SIM, but might struggle with buying the
right eSIM online, activating it in the phone, and then setting up
the phone to use the foreign eSIM instead of doing international
roaming on the domestic eSIM.
It's really too bad that Apple decontented the U.S. iPhone 14 models.
At least they did not decontent the iPhone models in the rest of the
world.
I have about four older iPhones in my junk drawer with physical SIM
slots. Tell him to send me his credit card number and I will let him
have his pick.
I do agree though that my iPhone 14 not having a physical SIM slot was
a pain in the ass when we tried to activate it. The e-SIM system for T-Mobile was down that day and they had to reactivate a new SIM on my
old phone to provide me with a working phone. I had to go back in the
next day to get my shiny brand new iPhone 14 activated.
Should be easy to get a new iPhone with a physical SIM slot right? Just
go down to the Apple Store or AT&T store and buy a new iPhone 13/13
Mini/13 Pro/13 Pro Max, at full price (AT&T will unlock a paid-in-full
phone with no waiting period), that has a physical SIM slot as well as
eSIM support. But its actually not so easy.
Yesterday she tells me that hes ordered a new unlocked iPhone 14 Pro
from Apple and I asked her if he knew that there was no physical SIM
card slot on the iPhone 14 models sold in the U.S.. He did not know this
and he was astounded to learn this. Hes going to return the iPhone 14
Plus when it comes in and buy something else.
Now he wants an unlocked iPhone 13 Pro. Unfortunately, these are no
longer sold unlocked by Apple, either new or refurbished, though some carriers still have some left (but not AT&T).
While data-only eSIMs are easily available to work in most countries
(though not all countries),
for a traveler to buy a short-term eSIM with
an actual phone number is more difficult,
I can already see our favorite trolls proclaiming that foreign prepaid
eSIMs are the answer.
BTW, this is not the same thing as removing the headphone jack, removing optical drives, or removing floppy drives, all of which had a workaround available by buying additional hardware.
On Thu, 2 Feb 2023 10:41:17 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>...
wrote:
My sisters significant other had his iPhone stolen in France last week.
Couldn't they buy a replacement iPhone 14 Pro from an Apple store in
Europe or some other place they'll be traveling to next time?
I believe it's only the US where they don't supply the latest phones
with a physical SIM slot.
My sisters significant other had his iPhone stolen in France last week.
He's on AT&T. Hes a artistic performer who travels all over the world,
and she goes along. Theyre both experienced world travelers (though >apparently not experienced enough to prevent being pickpocketed) and
they always buy physical SIM cards when they arrive since they need a
local phone number for the country or region theyre visiting; data-only
SIM cards (or data-only eSIMs) are not an option.
Should be easy to get a new iPhone with a physical SIM slot right? Just
go down to the Apple Store or AT&T store and buy a new iPhone 13/13
Mini/13 Pro/13 Pro Max, at full price (AT&T will unlock a paid-in-full
phone with no waiting period), that has a physical SIM slot as well as
eSIM support. But its actually not so easy.
Yesterday she tells me that hes ordered a new unlocked iPhone 14 Pro
from Apple and I asked her if he knew that there was no physical SIM
card slot on the iPhone 14 models sold in the U.S.. He did not know this
and he was astounded to learn this. Hes going to return the iPhone 14
Plus when it comes in and buy something else.
Now he wants an unlocked iPhone 13 Pro. Unfortunately, these are no
longer sold unlocked by Apple, either new or refurbished, though some >carriers still have some left (but not AT&T).
I called the physical AT&T store near them and explained what I wanted,
and why, and they said that the iPhone 14 generated a lot of demand for
the iPhone 13 (because of the SIM slot issue) and they quickly sold out
of all the iPhone 13 models and were not getting more.
T-Mobile still has some of the iPhone 13 Pro phones ($949.99 for 512GB)
which is a good deal (20% off the MSRP of $1199.99) and thats an
option, but unlike AT&T, paying in full doesnt get you an unlocked
phone, you have to be on T-Mobile for 40 days before you can get it
unlocked, which would be a pain since hes traveling to an area with
poor T-Mobile coverage in three weeks, but its not too bad to live with >T-Mobile for two months. He can get the Magenta 55+ plan for $50/month
for two months (the less expensive Essentials 55+ plan is actually more >because it adds taxes and fees).
U.S. Mobile sells only unlocked phones, but they are sold out of the
iPhone 13 Pro <https://www.usmobile.com/shop/product/iPhone-13-Pro>.
Total by Verizon has the 128GB iPhone 13 Pro for $899.99 ><https://www.totalbyverizon.com/smartphones/apple-iphone-13-pro-128gb-prepaid>,
unlocked after 60 days on a $25/month plan, and this would work since
its on Verizon which has good coverage. But for $50 more he can get the >512GB model from T-Mobile. Total by Verizon does not support eSIM yet so
they don't even sell any iPhone 14 models.
Visible has only the 1TB iPhone 13 Pro model, in gold, left, for a
whopping $1399 ><https://www.visible.com/shop/smartphones/iphone-13-pro?sku=MLUC3LL/A>.
He has no trade-in anymore, but in any case it doesnt matter because he >needs an unlocked phone so he cant purchase it on an installment plan
to get bill credits, and AT&T is sold out of all 13 Pro models anyway.
So the best option appears to be to port into T-Mobile and buy the 512GB >iPhone 13 for $949.99 and then after 40 days he can port back out to AT&T.
I can already see our favorite trolls proclaiming that foreign prepaid
eSIMs are the answer.
While data-only eSIMs are easily available to work in most countries
(though not all countries), for a traveler to buy a short-term eSIM with
an actual phone number is more difficult, and in some cases has
limitations: i.e. Please note that the eSIM must be activated in France >before it can be used in any other countries of coverage. Some have a >requirement that top-ups for non-EU residents be done only in the
country where the carrier is located, i.e. International credit cards
and PayPal are accepted for all EU-Citizens from anywhere in the EU. For >Non-EU Citizens, top-up is only available within the Czech Republic.
It looks like <https://travel.orange.com/en/offers/europe/> would work,
since you get a phone number (France) but it doesnt need to be first >activated in France. This is more expensive than buying a
country-specific physical SIM card but at least you dont have to shop
around once you arrive. The other issue with the physical SIM is that he >knows how to go to a store, buy a SIM, and insert it into the phone in
place of his AT&T SIM, but might struggle with buying the right eSIM
online, activating it in the phone, and then setting up the phone to use
the foreign eSIM instead of doing international roaming on the domestic
eSIM.
It's really too bad that Apple decontented the U.S. iPhone 14 models. At >least they did not decontent the iPhone models in the rest of the world.
In article <ao7oth17p8gqldc8mojjs45cfku1f31prd@4ax.com>, Chris in
Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
a small number of countries are behind the times and don't yet fully
support esims, but that's rapidly changing.
You've been saying that for months, and it still isn't true, nor will
it be true for a long time yet. In the vast majority of countries
tourists and temporary visitors cannot obtain prepaid e-sims. You've
had that explained to you many times.
it's very much true. you're also confusing the number of countries with popularity of destinations.
relatively few people are inconvenienced with the iphone 14,
a small number of countries are behind the times and don't yet fully
support esims, but that's rapidly changing.
You've been saying that for months, and it still isn't true, nor will
it be true for a long time yet. In the vast majority of countries
tourists and temporary visitors cannot obtain prepaid e-sims. You've
had that explained to you many times.
it's very much true. you're also confusing the number of countries with >popularity of destinations.
Don't try to squirm your way out by claiming you said something else.
You clearly wrote "a small number of countries". Your words, not mine.
It isn't a small number of countries, it's the vast majority of
countries where tourists can't obtain e-sms.
In article <ao7oth17p8gqldc8mojjs45cfku1f31prd@4ax.com>, Chris in
Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
a small number of countries are behind the times and don't yet fully
support esims, but that's rapidly changing.
You've been saying that for months, and it still isn't true, nor will
it be true for a long time yet. In the vast majority of countries
tourists and temporary visitors cannot obtain prepaid e-sims. You've
had that explained to you many times.
it's very much true. you're also confusing the number of countries with >popularity of destinations.
On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 15:47:40 -0500, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
In article <ao7oth17p8gqldc8mojjs45cfku1f31prd@4ax.com>, Chris in
Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
a small number of countries are behind the times and don't yet fully
support esims, but that's rapidly changing.
You've been saying that for months, and it still isn't true, nor will
it be true for a long time yet. In the vast majority of countries
tourists and temporary visitors cannot obtain prepaid e-sims. You've
had that explained to you many times.
it's very much true. you're also confusing the number of countries with
popularity of destinations.
Don't try to squirm your way out by claiming you said something else.
You clearly wrote "a small number of countries". Your words, not mine.
It isn't a small number of countries, it's the vast majority of
countries where tourists can't obtain e-sms. You were wrong when you
claimed this several months ago and you're still wrong today. Things
didn't change in the way you imagined they would.
I checked a few countries that I'm likely to go to and have found they
all have at least one vendor selling e-sim online. No need to even "get >there" to purchase it - switch to it on landing in that country. Prices
are very reasonable too.
I checked a few countries that I'm likely to go to and have found they
all have at least one vendor selling e-sim online. No need to even "get >there" to purchase it - switch to it on landing in that country. Prices >are very reasonable too.
Most of those services don't provide you with a true local e-sim.
They're roaming e-sims which give you data access in the country
you're going to.
They don't provide you with a local telephone number that people can
call you on, which is what the person asking the original question
said he needed.
On Sat, 4 Feb 2023 11:12:17 -0500, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
I checked a few countries that I'm likely to go to and have found they
all have at least one vendor selling e-sim online. No need to even "get
there" to purchase it - switch to it on landing in that country. Prices
are very reasonable too.
Most of those services don't provide you with a true local e-sim.
They're roaming e-sims which give you data access in the country
you're going to.
They don't provide you with a local telephone number that people can
call you on, which is what the person asking the original question
said he needed.
In article <64btthpdksf9ck402k36tg7o087urm4400@4ax.com>, Chris in
Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
I checked a few countries that I'm likely to go to and have found they
all have at least one vendor selling e-sim online. No need to even "get
there" to purchase it - switch to it on landing in that country. Prices
are very reasonable too.
Most of those services don't provide you with a true local e-sim.
They're roaming e-sims which give you data access in the country
you're going to.
data is what most people want.
Most of those services don't provide you with a true local e-sim.
They're roaming e-sims which give you data access in the country
you're going to.
They don't provide you with a local telephone number that people can
call you on, which is what the person asking the original question
said he needed.
For Europe it's no issue that I can see.
For my next dive trip it's ambiguous. But I still have an iPhone 11 so
I can get the SIM from a vendor near the resort. (When I'm on vacation
I'm not phoning much anyway - and if I need to talk to someone back home >there are various over the internet options). When I get my next phone
I just might keep the iPhone 11 for travel.
This will sort itself out over time as demand grows. As long as phones
had SIM slots, there was no pressure to change.
Now let's go back and read the original post again.
"While data-only eSIMs are easily available to work in most countries
(though not all countries), for a traveler to buy a short-term eSIM
with an actual phone number is more difficult, and in some cases has limitations"
The requirement is NOT just for data.
In article <64btthpdksf9ck402k36tg7o087urm4400@4ax.com>, Chris in
Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
I checked a few countries that I'm likely to go to and have found they
all have at least one vendor selling e-sim online. No need to even "get >>> there" to purchase it - switch to it on landing in that country. Prices >>> are very reasonable too.
Most of those services don't provide you with a true local e-sim.
They're roaming e-sims which give you data access in the country
you're going to.
data is what most people want.
They don't provide you with a local telephone number that people can
call you on, which is what the person asking the original question
said he needed.
get a voip number. problem solved.
the original 'requirement' is not a requirement of any sort. it's a
general statement which does not apply to everyone who travels. it's
nothing more than a fabricated scenario for trolling purposes.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <64btthpdksf9ck402k36tg7o087urm4400@4ax.com>, Chris in
Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
I checked a few countries that I'm likely to go to and have found they >>>> all have at least one vendor selling e-sim online. No need to even "get >>>> there" to purchase it - switch to it on landing in that country. Prices >>>> are very reasonable too.
Most of those services don't provide you with a true local e-sim.
They're roaming e-sims which give you data access in the country
you're going to.
data is what most people want.
"Most" people want their phones to function abroad like they do at home.
That means calls as well.
On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 16:51:40 -0500, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
the original 'requirement' is not a requirement of any sort. it's a
general statement which does not apply to everyone who travels. it's
nothing more than a fabricated scenario for trolling purposes.
No, it's a very specific stated requirement from the poster's sister
and her partner.
"they always buy physical SIM cards when they arrive since they need a
local phone number for the country or region they’re visiting;
data-only SIM cards (or data-only eSIMs) are not an option."
You sound like those annoying sales people I used to get at work who,
when they couldn't supply what was required tried to redefine what was
being asked for to fit with what they could offer. If they still
couldn't sell you something they'd say you didn't really need it
anyway because most of their other customers hadn't asked for it.
"Most" people want their phones to function abroad like they do at home. That means calls as well.
Depends: Business trip: yes. Vacation trip: hell no.
And oddly enough those countries where people go the most for business,
there are e-sim providers for voice + data. (That I've found).
Where I'm likely to go on vacation in Feb/Mar ... less so. And that's fine.
Yes, this does not fit everyone. IAC - still have my iPhone 11 so I can
get SIMs if needed when I land.
As this becomes a common enough issue in more and more places it will be solved for esim only phones. Because: profit.
And even with a data plan only, doing voice calls (or video) over
various services is pretty trivial. Facetime, Signal, etc.
get a voip number. problem solved.
Purchasing a whole new service
to "solve" a problem engineered by the
networks. lol.
the original 'requirement' is not a requirement of any sort. it's a
general statement which does not apply to everyone who travels. it's >nothing more than a fabricated scenario for trolling purposes.
No, it's a very specific stated requirement from the poster's sister
and her partner.
In article <trqbng$305ap$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
get a voip number. problem solved.
Purchasing a whole new service
who said anything about purchasing a whole new service?
there are voip apps that provide free numbers.
On 2023-02-06 02:54, Chris wrote:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <64btthpdksf9ck402k36tg7o087urm4400@4ax.com>, Chris in
Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
I checked a few countries that I'm likely to go to and have found they >>>>> all have at least one vendor selling e-sim online. No need to even "get >>>>> there" to purchase it - switch to it on landing in that country. Prices >>>>> are very reasonable too.
Most of those services don't provide you with a true local e-sim.
They're roaming e-sims which give you data access in the country
you're going to.
data is what most people want.
"Most" people want their phones to function abroad like they do at home.
That means calls as well.
Depends: Business trip: yes. Vacation trip: hell no.
And oddly enough those countries where people go the most for business,
there are e-sim providers for voice + data. (That I've found).
Where I'm likely to go on vacation in Feb/Mar ... less so. And that's fine.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-02-06 02:54, Chris wrote:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <64btthpdksf9ck402k36tg7o087urm4400@4ax.com>, Chris in
Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
I checked a few countries that I'm likely to go to and have found they >>>>>> all have at least one vendor selling e-sim online. No need to even "get >>>>>> there" to purchase it - switch to it on landing in that country. Prices >>>>>> are very reasonable too.
Most of those services don't provide you with a true local e-sim.
They're roaming e-sims which give you data access in the country
you're going to.
data is what most people want.
"Most" people want their phones to function abroad like they do at home. >>> That means calls as well.
Depends: Business trip: yes. Vacation trip: hell no.
I'm the opposite. I rarely need to call people for work, I'm more
interested in getting emails.
On holiday I'm wanting to call family/friends back home.
And oddly enough those countries where people go the most for business,
there are e-sim providers for voice + data. (That I've found).
Where I'm likely to go on vacation in Feb/Mar ... less so. And that's fine.
Your vagueness is almost intentional. Where are "most" (sic) people going
for business? Where are you most likely to go on holiday?
On 2023-02-06 18:06, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-02-06 02:54, Chris wrote:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <64btthpdksf9ck402k36tg7o087urm4400@4ax.com>, Chris in
Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
I checked a few countries that I'm likely to go to and have found they >>>>>>> all have at least one vendor selling e-sim online. No need to even "get
there" to purchase it - switch to it on landing in that country. Prices
are very reasonable too.
Most of those services don't provide you with a true local e-sim.
They're roaming e-sims which give you data access in the country
you're going to.
data is what most people want.
"Most" people want their phones to function abroad like they do at home. >>>> That means calls as well.
Depends: Business trip: yes. Vacation trip: hell no.
I'm the opposite. I rarely need to call people for work, I'm more
interested in getting emails.
Need those too, and certainly that's no issue.
On holiday I'm wanting to call family/friends back home.
Disconnect as much as possible. 2 weeks is bliss.
And oddly enough those countries where people go the most for business,
there are e-sim providers for voice + data. (That I've found).
Where I'm likely to go on vacation in Feb/Mar ... less so. And that's fine.
Your vagueness is almost intentional. Where are "most" (sic) people going
for business? Where are you most likely to go on holiday?
I've pointed that out in other posts in the thread.
In article <spj1uhli0ueokh20sbguogne6gm0o5em4e@4ax.com>, Chris in
Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
the original 'requirement' is not a requirement of any sort. it's a
general statement which does not apply to everyone who travels. it's
nothing more than a fabricated scenario for trolling purposes.
No, it's a very specific stated requirement from the poster's sister
and her partner.
assuming his story is accurate (and there's evidence that it's not),
the needs of one person does not mean everyone has the same
requirements.
Nobody said it was needed by absolutely everyone. So just because
something isn't needed by everyone then no provision should be made
for it to be available to anyone?
"Hello, is that the fire service? My house is burning and I need you
to help put it out."
"Sorry, most people will never have a house fire so we decided to stop providing the service. Good luck with saving your house. Most people
are fine so your problem isn't important in the grand scheme of
things."
data is what most people want.
"Most" people want their phones to function abroad like they do at home. >>>> That means calls as well.
Depends: Business trip: yes. Vacation trip: hell no.
I'm the opposite. I rarely need to call people for work, I'm more
interested in getting emails.
Need those too, and certainly that's no issue.
This thread says otherwise.
On holiday I'm wanting to call family/friends back home.
Disconnect as much as possible. 2 weeks is bliss.
What you want is not what others want. If I want to use my phone abroad the tech should enable that, not be a barrier.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-02-06 18:06, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-02-06 02:54, Chris wrote:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <64btthpdksf9ck402k36tg7o087urm4400@4ax.com>, Chris in
Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
I checked a few countries that I'm likely to go to and have found they >>>>>>>> all have at least one vendor selling e-sim online. No need to even "get
there" to purchase it - switch to it on landing in that country. Prices
are very reasonable too.
Most of those services don't provide you with a true local e-sim. >>>>>>> They're roaming e-sims which give you data access in the country >>>>>>> you're going to.
data is what most people want.
"Most" people want their phones to function abroad like they do at home. >>>>> That means calls as well.
Depends: Business trip: yes. Vacation trip: hell no.
I'm the opposite. I rarely need to call people for work, I'm more
interested in getting emails.
Need those too, and certainly that's no issue.
This thread says otherwise.
On holiday I'm wanting to call family/friends back home.
Disconnect as much as possible. 2 weeks is bliss.
What you want is not what others want. If I want to use my phone abroad the tech should enable that, not be a barrier.
And oddly enough those countries where people go the most for business, >>>> there are e-sim providers for voice + data. (That I've found).
Where I'm likely to go on vacation in Feb/Mar ... less so. And that's fine.
Your vagueness is almost intentional. Where are "most" (sic) people going >>> for business? Where are you most likely to go on holiday?
I've pointed that out in other posts in the thread.
It may surprise you but I don't read all your posts. If you're directly replying to me don't assume I've read other posts not directed at me.
In article <trtl5s$3oqov$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
data is what most people want.
"Most" people want their phones to function abroad like they do at home. >>>>>> That means calls as well.
Depends: Business trip: yes. Vacation trip: hell no.
I'm the opposite. I rarely need to call people for work, I'm more
interested in getting emails.
Need those too, and certainly that's no issue.
This thread says otherwise.
this thread is a few people's use cases, out of 2 billion active
devices (according to apple's most recent earnings call).
apple has all sorts of usage data from nearly all of those devices and
knows how widespread a particular feature is.
On holiday I'm wanting to call family/friends back home.
Disconnect as much as possible. 2 weeks is bliss.
What you want is not what others want. If I want to use my phone abroad the >> tech should enable that, not be a barrier.
buy a phone that does what you want. very simple.
On 2023-02-07 08:54, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-02-06 18:06, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-02-06 02:54, Chris wrote:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <64btthpdksf9ck402k36tg7o087urm4400@4ax.com>, Chris in >>>>>>> Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
I checked a few countries that I'm likely to go to and have found they
all have at least one vendor selling e-sim online. No need to even "get
there" to purchase it - switch to it on landing in that country. Prices
are very reasonable too.
Most of those services don't provide you with a true local e-sim. >>>>>>>> They're roaming e-sims which give you data access in the country >>>>>>>> you're going to.
data is what most people want.
"Most" people want their phones to function abroad like they do at home. >>>>>> That means calls as well.
Depends: Business trip: yes. Vacation trip: hell no.
I'm the opposite. I rarely need to call people for work, I'm more
interested in getting emails.
Need those too, and certainly that's no issue.
This thread says otherwise.
Makati Chris argues that voice is more important to him, that does not exclude data being available.
On holiday I'm wanting to call family/friends back home.
Disconnect as much as possible. 2 weeks is bliss.
What you want is not what others want. If I want to use my phone abroad the >> tech should enable that, not be a barrier.
It isn't. Apple (for US models) has gone esmim only. Doesn't mean:
1) The rest of the world will catch up overnight, and
2) that all US Apple travelers have iPhone 14's, and
3) that they can't solve their issues elsewise. (Bring a different
phone if needed, use facetime/signal, etc.
It's not a momentous issue except to black and white thinkers.
And oddly enough those countries where people go the most for business, >>>>> there are e-sim providers for voice + data. (That I've found).
Where I'm likely to go on vacation in Feb/Mar ... less so. And that's fine.
Your vagueness is almost intentional. Where are "most" (sic) people going >>>> for business? Where are you most likely to go on holiday?
I've pointed that out in other posts in the thread.
It may surprise you but I don't read all your posts. If you're directly
replying to me don't assume I've read other posts not directed at me.
Doesn't surprise me, nor do I care very much.
apple has all sorts of usage data from nearly all of those devices and knows how widespread a particular feature is.
You regularly say that. It is always an empty and pointless statement.
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:Ok (shrugs).
On 2023-02-07 08:54, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-02-06 18:06, Chris wrote:
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-02-06 02:54, Chris wrote:
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <64btthpdksf9ck402k36tg7o087urm4400@4ax.com>, Chris in >>>>>>>> Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
I checked a few countries that I'm likely to go to and have found they
all have at least one vendor selling e-sim online. No need to even "get
there" to purchase it - switch to it on landing in that country. Prices
are very reasonable too.
Most of those services don't provide you with a true local e-sim. >>>>>>>>> They're roaming e-sims which give you data access in the country >>>>>>>>> you're going to.
data is what most people want.
"Most" people want their phones to function abroad like they do at home.
That means calls as well.
Depends: Business trip: yes. Vacation trip: hell no.
I'm the opposite. I rarely need to call people for work, I'm more
interested in getting emails.
Need those too, and certainly that's no issue.
This thread says otherwise.
Makati Chris argues that voice is more important to him, that does not
exclude data being available.
That's not what I'm referring to.
On holiday I'm wanting to call family/friends back home.
Disconnect as much as possible. 2 weeks is bliss.
What you want is not what others want. If I want to use my phone abroad the >>> tech should enable that, not be a barrier.
It isn't. Apple (for US models) has gone esmim only. Doesn't mean:
1) The rest of the world will catch up overnight, and
2) that all US Apple travelers have iPhone 14's, and
3) that they can't solve their issues elsewise. (Bring a different
phone if needed, use facetime/signal, etc.
It's not a momentous issue except to black and white thinkers.
Neither is it a non-issue. A definite change in behaviour is required by
esim users.
And oddly enough those countries where people go the most for business, >>>>>> there are e-sim providers for voice + data. (That I've found).
Where I'm likely to go on vacation in Feb/Mar ... less so. And that's fine.
Your vagueness is almost intentional. Where are "most" (sic) people going >>>>> for business? Where are you most likely to go on holiday?
I've pointed that out in other posts in the thread.
It may surprise you but I don't read all your posts. If you're directly
replying to me don't assume I've read other posts not directed at me.
Doesn't surprise me, nor do I care very much.
Worthless contribution, then. Literally a waste of bits.
What you want is not what others want. If I want to use my phone abroad the >> tech should enable that, not be a barrier.
buy a phone that does what you want. very simple.
buy a phone that does what you want. very simple.
Which is exactly what I suggested people do when this issue came up
several months ago.
You jumped in and argued against that, claiming it
wasn't necessary to have anything other than an eSIM-only phone
because every network in the world would be issuing prepaid eSIMs any
day now.
I told you that wouldn't be happening for a long time yet;
and it still hasn't
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