• Re: Apple will continue to rely on Qualcomm for 5G chips in 2024 includ

    From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 8 11:53:38 2023
    Am 08.01.23 um 11:18 schrieb Chris:
    NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
    https://www.macrumors.com/2023/01/06/iphone-se-4-canceled-kuo/
    Apple will continue to rely on Qualcomm for 5G chips in 2024,
    including for the iPhone 16 series.

    Kuo previously said that the fourth-generation iPhone SE would be canceled >> or postponed, but he now firmly believes that the device has been canceled.

    Shame. I was genuinely considering this phone to replace my XR.

    I'm after a smaller phone with a better camera. Will have to be a 13 or 13 mini,then.

    Should that really happen - Apple will leave a lot of longstanding and
    loyal buyers behind. But I have serious doubts.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to NewsKrawler on Sun Jan 8 10:18:11 2023
    NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
    https://www.macrumors.com/2023/01/06/iphone-se-4-canceled-kuo/
    Apple will continue to rely on Qualcomm for 5G chips in 2024,
    including for the iPhone 16 series.

    Kuo previously said that the fourth-generation iPhone SE would be canceled
    or postponed, but he now firmly believes that the device has been canceled.

    Shame. I was genuinely considering this phone to replace my XR.

    I'm after a smaller phone with a better camera. Will have to be a 13 or 13 mini,then.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Sun Jan 8 13:56:53 2023
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 08.01.23 um 11:18 schrieb Chris:
    NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
    https://www.macrumors.com/2023/01/06/iphone-se-4-canceled-kuo/
    Apple will continue to rely on Qualcomm for 5G chips in 2024,
    including for the iPhone 16 series.

    Kuo previously said that the fourth-generation iPhone SE would be canceled >>> or postponed, but he now firmly believes that the device has been canceled. >>
    Shame. I was genuinely considering this phone to replace my XR.

    I'm after a smaller phone with a better camera. Will have to be a 13 or 13 >> mini,then.

    Should that really happen - Apple will leave a lot of longstanding and
    loyal buyers behind. But I have serious doubts.

    It may come in 2024 or 2025, but that's no use to me. I'm going to get a
    new phone soon.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun Jan 8 06:41:16 2023
    On 1/8/2023 2:18 AM, Chris wrote:
    NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
    https://www.macrumors.com/2023/01/06/iphone-se-4-canceled-kuo/
    Apple will continue to rely on Qualcomm for 5G chips in 2024,
    including for the iPhone 16 series.

    Kuo previously said that the fourth-generation iPhone SE would be canceled >> or postponed, but he now firmly believes that the device has been canceled.

    Shame. I was genuinely considering this phone to replace my XR.

    I'm after a smaller phone with a better camera. Will have to be a 13 or 13 mini,then.

    What would have been the advantage, other than cost, of an SE4 versus an
    iPhone 12, 13, or 14?

    The SE4 was not predicted to be a rehash of the 4.7" screen iPhone 6,
    6s, 7, 8, but essentially a rehash of the Xr/11 a 6.1" LCD screen
    (instead of AMOLED like the 12, 13, 14), poorer cameras than the 14, and
    likely no mmWave 5G. It would also lose the fingerprint sensor of the SE models.

    The iPhone 12, 13, 14 already has a 6.06" screen, the same size as the
    Xr, so you wouldn't be getting a smaller device with the SE4, and the
    current SE2 and SE3 are only 13% smaller but with a much smaller screen.

    My wife has an SE2 from work and the screen is annoyingly small. She
    should have chosen a 12 Mini but chose the SE2 because of the
    fingerprint sensor since she works in health care and had to upgrade
    from her iPhone 7 in the middle of the pandemic.

    The idea of using the SE4 essentially as a beta test platform for the
    Apple 5G modem was not a good one. An extremely complex chip like a
    modem is guaranteed to not be up to the competition in the first rev and
    a repeat of the Intel modem fiasco would not be a good start. Perhaps
    building a million or so iPhone 16 devices with the Apple 5G modem and distributing them free to developers and iOS beta testers to use would
    be a better way to work out any issues.

    The other issue is that a 60Hz LCD screen on a phone that would likely
    start at $450 is pretty hard to justify when the competition has 120Hz
    AMOLED screens in $200 devices.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Sun Jan 8 10:37:05 2023
    In article <tpekmf$3s4fg$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    What would have been the advantage, other than cost, of an SE4 versus an iPhone 12, 13, or 14?

    that depends on what features it ultimately will have and how it
    compares to the 12, 13 or 14, all of which is unknown at this time.

    The SE4 was not predicted to be a rehash of the 4.7" screen iPhone 6,

    that's a rumour, not a given. sometimes rumours are correct and
    sometimes they are not.

    it's also the same screen as the *current* iphone se 2022, as well as
    the se 2020, 8, 7, 6s and 6. trying to paint it as an old obsolete
    screen isn't going to fly.

    The idea of using the SE4 essentially as a beta test platform for the
    Apple 5G modem was not a good one.

    who said anything about a beta test? that's not how apple works.

    first of all, that's only a rumour and could easily be wrong.

    second, if their 5g modem is not available in sufficient quantities to
    put it in all iphone models, then it's likely to be in an ipad first,

    this is further supported by apple moving to 5g across the entire
    lineup at the same time, including mmw, versus what other device makers
    did, which is only partial support and only on certain models.

    An extremely complex chip like a
    modem is guaranteed to not be up to the competition in the first rev and
    a repeat of the Intel modem fiasco would not be a good start.

    guaranteed??

    right, just like the various pundits who guaranteed that apple's m1
    chip, which is also 'extremely complex', would not be able to match
    intel and amd processors, except that not only did the m1 match them,
    but far surpassed them and at a fraction of power consumption. and then
    came the m1 pro, max and ultra, which are far more complex and took
    that much further.

    going back to before the iphone was released, the various pundits also guaranteed that apple could never compete with longtime mobile phone manufacturers such as rim/blackberry, nokia, motorola, etc. they were
    wrong about that too.

    so much for guarantees.

    Perhaps
    building a million or so iPhone 16 devices with the Apple 5G modem and distributing them free to developers and iOS beta testers to use would
    be a better way to work out any issues.

    that's not how any of this works.

    you're trolling (not that it wasn't already obvious).

    The other issue is that a 60Hz LCD screen on a phone that would likely
    start at $450 is pretty hard to justify when the competition has 120Hz
    AMOLED screens in $200 devices.

    the difference is only visible in specific scenarios, such as games,
    which is not what a typical low end phone buyer would be doing.

    for looking at photos, it's a waste because there is no motion. for
    email, web surfing, etc., there is minimal, if any difference.

    also, the 120hz screen in a $200 android device will not be at full
    resolution because the rest of the hardware can't handle that.

    further, a fixed 120hz will also have higher battery consumption,
    especially when it's wasted on content that isn't moving, such as
    photos.

    apple solved the battery consumption problem by using a variable
    refresh rate based on content, which is *not* going to be found on a
    low end android device.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to sms on Sun Jan 8 17:40:01 2023
    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    On 1/8/2023 2:18 AM, Chris wrote:
    NewsKrawler <newskrawl@krawl.org> wrote:
    https://www.macrumors.com/2023/01/06/iphone-se-4-canceled-kuo/
    Apple will continue to rely on Qualcomm for 5G chips in 2024,
    including for the iPhone 16 series.

    Kuo previously said that the fourth-generation iPhone SE would be canceled >>> or postponed, but he now firmly believes that the device has been canceled. >>
    Shame. I was genuinely considering this phone to replace my XR.

    I'm after a smaller phone with a better camera. Will have to be a 13 or 13 >> mini,then.

    What would have been the advantage, other than cost, of an SE4 versus an iPhone 12, 13, or 14?

    The SE4 was not predicted to be a rehash of the 4.7" screen iPhone 6,
    6s, 7, 8, but essentially a rehash of the Xr/11 a 6.1" LCD screen
    (instead of AMOLED like the 12, 13, 14), poorer cameras than the 14, and likely no mmWave 5G. It would also lose the fingerprint sensor of the SE models.

    I would have compared models and chosen the one I preferred for the right price. The SE has been fantastic value for money. That's how it works,
    right?

    The iPhone 12, 13, 14 already has a 6.06" screen, the same size as the
    Xr, so you wouldn't be getting a smaller device with the SE4, and the
    current SE2 and SE3 are only 13% smaller but with a much smaller screen.

    The XR is physically bigger than the 12/13/14. My daughter has 13 so I can
    do a physical comparison. It may be a small difference but it's enough to
    be noticeable.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun Jan 8 11:56:17 2023
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 17:40:01 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    The SE has been fantastic value for money.

    I was in Las Vegas recently, where a ham sandwich was only thirty bucks.

    In the same way, the SE has been a fantastic value for the money.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun Jan 8 13:42:37 2023
    On 1/8/2023 9:56 AM, JAB wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 17:40:01 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

    The SE has been fantastic value for money.

    I was in Las Vegas recently, where a ham sandwich was only thirty bucks.

    A couple of months ago I got an ad for a pastrami ruben sandwich. It was $18.24. The ad included an offer for interest-free financing with 4
    payments of $4.56 each. That was for 6 ounces of meat. You could get
    extra meat for a higher price, but it was still four payments. I was
    really looking for six month financing for the more expensive sandwich.

    I remember when Las Vegas had cheap food available but he quality left something to be desired though.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun Jan 8 13:28:53 2023
    On 1/8/2023 9:40 AM, Chris wrote:

    <snip>

    I would have compared models and chosen the one I preferred for the right price. The SE has been fantastic value for money. That's how it works,
    right?

    Actually, IMVAIO, the 11 was, and is, a much better value. Sure you
    don't have 5G, but it has other advantages, including the larger screen,
    IP68 instead of IP67, better selfie camera, and much longer battery
    life. iPhone 11 versus SE3 was a big debate for budget phones when the
    SE3 came out. I chose the 11. At the time it was $299.99 from my carrier
    but I got $150 off through their "rewards program" since I've been with
    them so long. The 11 is now $249.99 from my carrier (no contract, locked
    for 60 days after activation).

    The XR is physically bigger than the 12/13/14. My daughter has 13 so I can
    do a physical comparison. It may be a small difference but it's enough to
    be noticeable.

    True, but it's a pretty small difference. 0.16" taller 0.16" wider, and
    0.04" thicker.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Sun Jan 8 17:40:42 2023
    In article <tpfcil$3ub90$2@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:


    Actually, IMVAIO, the 11 was, and is, a much better value.

    unless you wan to use it in the dark.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to sms on Mon Jan 9 09:42:40 2023
    sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    On 1/8/2023 9:40 AM, Chris wrote:

    <snip>

    I would have compared models and chosen the one I preferred for the right
    price. The SE has been fantastic value for money. That's how it works,
    right?

    Actually, IMVAIO, the 11 was, and is, a much better value. Sure you
    don't have 5G, but it has other advantages, including the larger screen,
    IP68 instead of IP67, better selfie camera, and much longer battery
    life. iPhone 11 versus SE3 was a big debate for budget phones when the
    SE3 came out. I chose the 11. At the time it was $299.99 from my carrier
    but I got $150 off through their "rewards program" since I've been with
    them so long. The 11 is now $249.99 from my carrier (no contract, locked
    for 60 days after activation).

    In the UK those types of deals don't exist. An iPhone from a network is
    usually more expensive than direct from Apple, unless you go for an
    expensive contract .

    I'm very happy with my 30-day rolling contract at £6 pm.

    So will buy direct from Apple on a 24 month 0% interest deal. By far the cheapest option.

    The XR is physically bigger than the 12/13/14. My daughter has 13 so I can >> do a physical comparison. It may be a small difference but it's enough to
    be noticeable.

    True, but it's a pretty small difference. 0.16" taller 0.16" wider, and
    0.04" thicker.

    Like I say it's functionally noticeable in my hands.

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