https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/04/eu-votes-to-force-all-phones-to-use-same-charger-by-2024
The vote, 602 in favour vs 13 against, means all portable devices
including iphones need to use USB-C from 2024. This may affect the
iphone 15 but will definitely mean the iphone 16 will be using USB-C.
Or be completely wireless.
Chris wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/04/eu-votes-to-force-all-phones-to-use-same-charger-by-2024
The vote, 602 in favour vs 13 against, means all portable devices
including iphones need to use USB-C from 2024. This may affect the
iphone 15 but will definitely mean the iphone 16 will be using USB-C.
Or be completely wireless.
If the iPhone 16 goes completely wireless I predict the iPhone 15 will
be Apple's bestseller ever.
Chris wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/04/eu-votes-to-force-all-phones-to-use-same-charger-by-2024
The vote, 602 in favour vs 13 against, means all portable devices
including iphones need to use USB-C from 2024. This may affect the
iphone 15 but will definitely mean the iphone 16 will be using USB-C.
Or be completely wireless.
If the iPhone 16 goes completely wireless I predict the iPhone 15 will
be Apple's bestseller ever.
Chris wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/04/eu-votes-to-force-all-phones-to-use-same-charger-by-2024
The vote, 602 in favour vs 13 against, means all portable devices
including iphones need to use USB-C from 2024. This may affect the
iphone 15 but will definitely mean the iphone 16 will be using USB-C.
Or be completely wireless.
If the iPhone 16 goes completely wireless I predict the iPhone 15 will
be Apple's bestseller ever.
Simply because everything uses USB-C does not mean they can all use the
same charger.
Using the wrong charger can potentially damage the device
If you look at the historical unit sales rates of iPhones it
would be almost inconceivable that any new model would surpass the
iPhone 6/6 Plus or 6s/6s Plus.
See
<https://technave.com/gadget/Here-s-a-list-of-the-most-sold-iPhones-of-all-tim
e-19653.html>.
The 6s/6s Plus models continued to sell well even after the 7/7 Plus and
8/8 Plus were introduced because it was the last iPhone that had a
headphone jack.
But you're probably right that a lot of users would opt for the iPhone
15 (assuming that it's USB-C) versus a completely wireless iPhone 16.
Already, you have many U.S. consumers opting for the iPhone 13 instead
of the 14 because of the elimination of the SIM card slot on the 14
models sold in the U.S..
If the iPhone 16 goes completely wireless I predict the iPhone 15 will
be Apple's bestseller ever.
Simply because everything uses USB-C does not mean they can all use the
same charger.
actually, it does.
Almost everyone needs to buy a new charger with a new iPhone to get those fastest speeds now that Apple no longer supplies a charger with the iPhone.
nospam hat am 10.04.2022 um 23:44 geschrieben:
Simply because everything uses USB-C does not mean they can all use the
same charger.
actually, it does.
Assuming USB-C specs - a lower output charging block might not hurt the
USB-C device under charge - but an older block usually charges at a lower speed (unless it's designed for the latest high speed outputs).
Almost everyone needs to buy a new charger with a new iPhone to get those fastest speeds now that Apple no longer supplies a charger with the iPhone.
nospam hat am 10.04.2022 um 23:44 geschrieben:
Simply because everything uses USB-C does not mean they can all use the
same charger.
actually, it does.
Assuming USB-C specs - a lower output charging block might not hurt the
USB-C device under charge - but an older block usually charges at a lower speed (unless it's designed for the latest high speed outputs).
Almost everyone needs to buy a new charger with a new iPhone to get those fastest speeds now that Apple no longer supplies a charger with the iPhone.
Simply because everything uses USB-C does not mean they can all use the
same charger. Using the wrong charger can potentially damage the device
... are these morons going to pay for the replacement? No, didn't think
so.
Am 04.10.22 um 23:35 schrieb Your Name:
Simply because everything uses USB-C does not mean they can all use the same charger. Using the wrong charger can potentially damage the device
... are these morons going to pay for the replacement? No, didn't think
so.
Burnelli, you deliver proof that you do not understand anything.
You are spreading *FUD*.
Chris wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/04/eu-votes-to-force-all-phones-to-use-same-charger-by-2024
The vote, 602 in favour vs 13 against, means all portable devices
including iphones need to use USB-C from 2024. This may affect the
iphone 15 but will definitely mean the iphone 16 will be using USB-C.
Or be completely wireless.
If the iPhone 16 goes completely wireless I predict the iPhone 15 will
be Apple's bestseller ever.
In article <thi3lf$2nva1$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
If the iPhone 16 goes completely wireless I predict the iPhone 15 will
be Apple's bestseller ever.
why? both charging and file transfer can be done wirelessly, and for
the latter, faster than with a cable.
In article <thipus$1p7r$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
Almost everyone needs to buy a new charger with a new iPhone to get those
fastest speeds now that Apple no longer supplies a charger with the iPhone.
<https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/17/22628702/google-pixel-6-charger-not- included>
The company says that most people already have a USB-C charging
brick, so there¹s no longer a need to include one with its phones.
Apple and Samsung made similar arguments when they announced
they would no longer be offering an in-box charger.
Almost everyone needs to buy a new charger with a new iPhone to get those >> fastest speeds now that Apple no longer supplies a charger with the iPhone.
<https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/17/22628702/google-pixel-6-charger-not- included>
The company says that most people already have a USB-C charging
brick, so there1s no longer a need to include one with its phones.
Apple and Samsung made similar arguments when they announced
they would no longer be offering an in-box charger.
Which was categorically false for Apple. They never provided a USB-C
charger with any phone. ipad, yes, not iphone.
In article <thja0p$2u13u$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
As someone who's going to replace their phone in the year or so, I'm not
changing my view. I still have more lightning devices than USB-C so getting >> USB-C will be more disruptive in the short term.
as it will for more than a billion others.
As someone who's going to replace their phone in the year or so, I'm not >> changing my view. I still have more lightning devices than USB-C so getting
USB-C will be more disruptive in the short term.
as it will for more than a billion others.
Statistically this is total bullshit which you never can substantiate.
In article <thk5pm$h4c5$2@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:
As someone who's going to replace their phone in the year or so, I'm not >>>> changing my view. I still have more lightning devices than USB-C so getting
USB-C will be more disruptive in the short term.
as it will for more than a billion others.
Statistically this is total bullshit which you never can substantiate.
apple repeatedly states there are more than 1 billion iphones in active
use worldwide.
changing the connector is going to be disruptive.
As someone who's going to replace their phone in the year or so, I'm not >>>> changing my view. I still have more lightning devices than USB-C so
getting
USB-C will be more disruptive in the short term.
as it will for more than a billion others.
Statistically this is total bullshit which you never can substantiate.
apple repeatedly states there are more than 1 billion iphones in active
use worldwide.
changing the connector is going to be disruptive.
No it isn't at all. Almost everone has a charger and the cable comes
with a new phone. Those who have all these accessories have already the needed cables. The charger is irrelevant.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <thipus$1p7r$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Silvano
<Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
Almost everyone needs to buy a new charger with a new iPhone to get those >>> fastest speeds now that Apple no longer supplies a charger with the iPhone. >><https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/17/22628702/google-pixel-6-charger-not-
included>
The company says that most people already have a USB-C charging
brick, so there¹s no longer a need to include one with its phones.
Apple and Samsung made similar arguments when they announced
they would no longer be offering an in-box charger.
Which was categorically false for Apple. They never provided a USB-C
charger with any phone. ipad, yes, not iphone.
Very few iPhone owners would have had a charger with a USB-C port.
With USB-C to Magsafe cables falling in price, I could see Apple
dropping all connectors, though there are other annoyances, such as file transfer, which is not as fast when done wirelessly.
You can buy an
after-market Magsafe cable for under $5, and there are significant
advantages in wireless charging. How many times have we seen posts complaining about flaky Lightning connectors? A lot.
In article <thk6uo$gtnp$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:
As someone who's going to replace their phone in the year or so, I'm not >>>>>> changing my view. I still have more lightning devices than USB-C so >>>>>> getting
USB-C will be more disruptive in the short term.
as it will for more than a billion others.
Statistically this is total bullshit which you never can substantiate.
apple repeatedly states there are more than 1 billion iphones in active
use worldwide.
changing the connector is going to be disruptive.
No it isn't at all. Almost everone has a charger and the cable comes
with a new phone. Those who have all these accessories have already the
needed cables. The charger is irrelevant.
they'll need to carry multiple cables when previously they did not.
they'll also need to buy adapters, replacement cables and accessories, creating a lot of e-waste.
changing connectors is always disruptive.
it might be worthwhile long term, but short term it's going to cause problems, and there's no getting around that.
How many times have we seen posts
complaining about flaky Lightning connectors? A lot.
In article <thjald$2u334$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
Almost everyone needs to buy a new charger with a new iPhone to get those >>>> fastest speeds now that Apple no longer supplies a charger with the iPhone.
<https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/17/22628702/google-pixel-6-charger-not- >>> included>
The company says that most people already have a USB-C charging
brick, so there1s no longer a need to include one with its phones.
Apple and Samsung made similar arguments when they announced
they would no longer be offering an in-box charger.
Which was categorically false for Apple. They never provided a USB-C
charger with any phone. ipad, yes, not iphone.
yes they have. iphone 11 pro included a usb-c charger.
usb-c chargers are included with macbooks, ipads, windows laptops and numerous other devices. the chargers are not device specific, so a
charger from any of those will work with an iphone.
many people have third party multi-port chargers and of course, older
usb-a chargers also work.
the issue is overblown.
Wireless charging is inefficient, unreliable and reduced battery life.
i don't know where you get the idea it's unreliable,
If you don't position the phone on the charger correctly - or accidentally nudge it - it won't charge. You don't get that with cables.
In article <thjaa9$2u22j$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
If the iPhone 16 goes completely wireless I predict the iPhone 15 will >>>> be Apple's bestseller ever.
why? both charging and file transfer can be done wirelessly, and for
the latter, faster than with a cable.
Wireless charging is inefficient, unreliable and reduced battery life.
i don't know where you get the idea it's unreliable,
sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
How many times have we seen posts
complaining about flaky Lightning connectors? A lot.
Er, almost never?
Remember the lightning port is the same generation as the woeful mini/micro USB-A/B ports. They were flakey as hell. Lightning was definitely the
better option then.
The loss of the SIM slot doesn't have an easy workaround in many cases.
It will add a significant and recurring expense to users that travel a
lot, at least for the next few years.
It's pretty significant that Apple
only decontented the SIM slot in U.S. models.
Chris wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/04/eu-votes-to-force-all-phones-to-use-same-charger-by-2024
The vote, 602 in favour vs 13 against, means all portable devices
including iphones need to use USB-C from 2024. This may affect the
iphone 15 but will definitely mean the iphone 16 will be using USB-C.
Or be completely wireless.
If the iPhone 16 goes completely wireless I predict the iPhone 15 will
be Apple's bestseller ever.
How many times have we seen posts
complaining about flaky Lightning connectors? A lot.
Er, almost never?
Remember the lightning port is the same generation as the woeful mini/micro USB-A/B ports. They were flakey as hell. Lightning was definitely the better option then.
There have been a lot of such posts in this forum, as well as on other forums.
The most common iPhone repairs are glass replacement, battery
replacement,
Lightning port replacement, and SIM slot replacement.
changing connectors is always disruptive.
it might be worthwhile long term, but short term it's going to cause problems, and there's no getting around that.
they'll need to carry multiple cables when previously they did not.
they'll also need to buy adapters, replacement cables and accessories, creating a lot of e-waste.
changing connectors is always disruptive.
it might be worthwhile long term, but short term it's going to cause problems, and there's no getting around that.
Very disruptive: Buying an iPhone with a USB-C and plug it to one of the existing cables and chargers, end of story. Very disruptive, I must say.
In article <thkq0j$h6gu$4@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
Overreaching to what?
to the rest of the world, who now has to follow their decisions.
In article <thkoj0$h6gu$1@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:
The European Parliament has decided for the rest of
the world.
which in itself is overreaching, regardless of the issue.
The European Parliament has decided for the rest of
the world.
which in itself is overreaching, regardless of the issue.
Overreaching to what?
The European Parliament has decided for the rest of
the world.
Overreaching to what?
to the rest of the world, who now has to follow their decisions.
No other country has to follow in fact. Their choice ...
yes they have. iphone 11 pro included a usb-c charger.
OK. Didn't know that. That's still a single iphone model that had a smooth transition for users from USB-A to USB-C and no bundled charger.
Almost everyone needs to buy a new charger with a new iPhone to get those
fastest speeds now that Apple no longer supplies a charger with the iPhone.
no they don't
Which was categorically false for Apple. They never provided a USB-C
charger with any phone. ipad, yes, not iphone.
Very few iPhone owners would have had a charger with a USB-C port.
In article <thkoc9$h6gv$3@solani.org>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:
Very disruptive: Buying an iPhone with a USB-C and plug it to one of the
existing cables and chargers, end of story. Very disruptive, I must say.
there's more than just charging cables.
nospam hat am 10.05.2022 um 05:37 geschrieben:
Almost everyone needs to buy a new charger with a new iPhone to get those >>> fastest speeds now that Apple no longer supplies a charger with the iPhone. >>no they don't
Yes they do.
Almost everyone who buys a new iPhone will end up buying a new high current USB-C PD charger for that new iPhone.
In article <thkc44$316vo$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
the issue is overblown.
In your opinion. Yet you're happy to overblow the impact this ruling has.
Many/most people already have USB-C cables.
true, but as i've repeatedly said, it's more than just cables and more
than just phones.
Almost everyone who buys a new iPhone will end up buying a new high current USB-C PD charger for that new iPhone.
Very disruptive: Buying an iPhone with a USB-C and plug it to one of the >> existing cables and chargers, end of story. Very disruptive, I must say.
there's more than just charging cables.
The whole rest is done wirelessly.
Otherwise they don't get the charging speeds the new iPhone was designed
for.
a few people might, but 'almost everyone' will use the chargers they
already have
sms hat am 10.05.2022 um 18:07 geschrieben:
Which was categorically false for Apple. They never provided a USB-C
charger with any phone. ipad, yes, not iphone.
Very few iPhone owners would have had a charger with a USB-C port.
[1] Apple has never provided the correct USB-C PD charger with any iPhone
or iPad and even if they did, people with that specific recent model iPhone or iPad will be using that PD USB-C charger and not sharing it with their
new iPhone.
[2] For Apple to claim "any old charger" will attain the PD speeds that the iPhone was designed for is transparently absurd.
[3] As a result, almost everyone who buys a new iPhone has to also buy a
new high speed PD USB-C charging block for that new iPhone.
Otherwise they don't get the charging speeds the new iPhone was designed
for.
Chris hat am 10.05.2022 um 16:41 geschrieben:
yes they have. iphone 11 pro included a usb-c charger.
OK. Didn't know that. That's still a single iphone model that had a smooth >> transition for users from USB-A to USB-C and no bundled charger.
Ask him what he didn't tell you which is that the iPhone 11 Pro charger is the WRONG charger for the latest iPhones (due to lack of current capacity).
As a result of that one USB-C charger ever shipped by Apple with an iPhone being the wrong charger for the latest iPhones and as a result of Apple
never having shipped the correct high-current charger with any iPhone or
iPad - what remains the case is almost everyone who buys a new iPhone has
to buy a new charger for that iPhone.
Otherwise they won't get the charging speeds the iPhone is designed for.
In article <thkb5t$3142u$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
apple repeatedly states there are more than 1 billion iphones in active >>>>> use worldwide.As someone who's going to replace their phone in the year or so, I'm >>>>>>>> not
changing my view. I still have more lightning devices than USB-C so >>>>>>>> getting
USB-C will be more disruptive in the short term.
as it will for more than a billion others.
Statistically this is total bullshit which you never can substantiate. >>>>>
changing the connector is going to be disruptive.
No it isn't at all. Almost everone has a charger and the cable comes
with a new phone. Those who have all these accessories have already the >>>> needed cables. The charger is irrelevant.
they'll need to carry multiple cables when previously they did not.
Lol. That's been necessary for a long time with Apple.
no it hasn't.
Currently I always have on me:
- USB-A to USB-C adaptor
- HDMI to USB-C cable
- lightning to USB-A cable
- lightning to USB-C cable
- USB-C to USB-C cable
that's excessive.
This is not a new phenomenon. In the days of miniDP/TB ports I also needed >> a plethora of dongles.
you're assuming your needs are the same as everyone else.
they'll also need to buy adapters, replacement cables and accessories,
creating a lot of e-waste.
Yes, but unlikely as bad as you make out. Even Apple-only people will have >> USB-C cables and chargers if they have a recent ipad or Macbook.
at least you admit it's not a big deal that they no longer include a
charger.
one major problem is that all of the lightning cables in cars, various
rooms, etc., will need to be doubled-up unless everyone in the
household replaces all of their phones at the same time, along with
other devices, such as airpods, apple tv remote, mouse, keyboard, etc.
maybe you have the money to do that but most people do not.
and it's not just cables either.
for some reason, people think that's the only thing that's connected to
the phone, which is simply false.
there are a wide variety of lightning accessories, from headphones
infrared cameras to breathalyzers and much more, some of which is *not*
cheap to replace. an adapter might suffice, but people don't like
adapters. some of those are specific to iphones and do not exist in a
usb-c version.
changing connectors is always disruptive.
it might be worthwhile long term, but short term it's going to cause
problems, and there's no getting around that.
Apple should have transitioned iphones to USB-C at the same time as ipads
and Macs.
no they shouldn't, nor was that even a realistic option.
apple was first to use usb-c with the 2015 macbook.
people complained that they needed all sorts of adapters because
nothing else used usb-c, which at the time was correct (one drawback of
being first), and that was for a mac that didn't even sell in huge quantities.
changing every mac would have been insanely disruptive.
there are more than 1 billion iphones in active use. macs and ipads
don't come anywhere close to that.
not only would a complete switch have been highly disruptive, but there
are supply chain constraints, which were a bigger obstacle 7 years ago,
when usb-c was in its early days. even ignoring the disruption, it
would have been difficult to get a few billion usb-c plugs and sockets.
At least it would have self-consistent. It was really daft buying
a new Mac and iphone and not being able to charge the iphone from the Mac.
that is simply false.
nospam hat am 10.06.2022 um 13:08 geschrieben:
a few people might, but 'almost everyone' will use the chargers they
already have
You're a fool if you don't realize the absurdity of your suggestion.
Apple removed the charger for one reason alone - profits.
Apple's strategy is to slowly decontent the iPhone year after year.
You're an utter fool if you don't see right through Apple's profit motives.
Nobody is going to spend a thousand dollars on an iPhone and then take the charger off their laptop just so that they can keep that expensive iPhone alive simply because Apple decided to inexorably remove basic equipment for profits.
Nobody is going to time share their expensive laptop or other expensive iPhone with their brand new expensive iPhone just because Apple decided to inexorably remove basic equipment for profits.
Nobody has ever been given the correct charger by Apple in the iPhone (or iPad) box for the latest iPhones so if they're sharing with their other iPhones, then their other device isn't getting charged at the same time.
Your suggestion that all new iPhone owners are that stupid or that cheap is absurd - where Apple knows everyone needs to buy a new charger when they
buy a new iPhone if they want to get the speeds they paid big bucks for.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <thkb5t$3142u$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
apple repeatedly states there are more than 1 billion iphones in active >>>>>> use worldwide.As someone who's going to replace their phone in the year or so, I'm >>>>>>>>> not
changing my view. I still have more lightning devices than USB-C so >>>>>>>>> getting
USB-C will be more disruptive in the short term.
as it will for more than a billion others.
Statistically this is total bullshit which you never can substantiate. >>>>>>
changing the connector is going to be disruptive.
No it isn't at all. Almost everone has a charger and the cable comes >>>>> with a new phone. Those who have all these accessories have already the >>>>> needed cables. The charger is irrelevant.
they'll need to carry multiple cables when previously they did not.
Lol. That's been necessary for a long time with Apple.
no it hasn't.
Currently I always have on me:
- USB-A to USB-C adaptor
- HDMI to USB-C cable
- lightning to USB-A cable
- lightning to USB-C cable
- USB-C to USB-C cable
that's excessive.
Nope. It's reality. It's what I have to carry to make sure I can connect my laptop to AV in places I'm visiting and be able to charge my phone/ipad.
It started years ago when companies, and not just computer comanies,
stopped including user manuals with the products.
There's also the problem of whoever you pass your old device on to
someone else (kids, sell on eBay, etc.), they will now not get a
charger at all if you have to keep it for your new device.
Currently I always have on me:
- USB-A to USB-C adaptor
- HDMI to USB-C cable
- lightning to USB-A cable
- lightning to USB-C cable
- USB-C to USB-C cable
that's excessive.
Nope. It's reality. It's what I have to carry to make sure I can connect my laptop to AV in places I'm visiting and be able to charge my phone/ipad.
This is not a new phenomenon. In the days of miniDP/TB ports I also needed >> a plethora of dongles.
you're assuming your needs are the same as everyone else.
My needs are not unusual.
and it's not just cables either.
for some reason, people think that's the only thing that's connected to
the phone, which is simply false.
there are a wide variety of lightning accessories, from headphones
Lol. There is no lightning headphones market.
infrared cameras to breathalyzers and much more, some of which is *not* cheap to replace. an adapter might suffice, but people don't like
adapters. some of those are specific to iphones and do not exist in a
usb-c version.
All very niche and will still work with existing hardware as well as via adapters on new hardware.
Apple should have transitioned iphones to USB-C at the same time as ipads >> and Macs.
no they shouldn't, nor was that even a realistic option.
apple was first to use usb-c with the 2015 macbook.
people complained that they needed all sorts of adapters because
nothing else used usb-c, which at the time was correct (one drawback of being first), and that was for a mac that didn't even sell in huge quantities.
changing every mac would have been insanely disruptive.
It works have been painful but short lived, not dragged over what will be nine years.
At least it would have self-consistent. It was really daft buying
a new Mac and iphone and not being able to charge the iphone from the Mac.
that is simply false.
That's exactly what happened to me. With a new XR and a newish MBP it
wasn't possible to charge the phone via the mac without buying an
additional cable/adapter.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <thkb5t$3142u$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
apple repeatedly states there are more than 1 billion iphones in active >>>>>> use worldwide.As someone who's going to replace their phone in the year or so, I'm >>>>>>>>> not
changing my view. I still have more lightning devices than USB-C so >>>>>>>>> getting
USB-C will be more disruptive in the short term.
as it will for more than a billion others.
Statistically this is total bullshit which you never can substantiate. >>>>>>
changing the connector is going to be disruptive.
No it isn't at all. Almost everone has a charger and the cable comes >>>>> with a new phone. Those who have all these accessories have already the >>>>> needed cables. The charger is irrelevant.
they'll need to carry multiple cables when previously they did not.
Lol. That's been necessary for a long time with Apple.
no it hasn't.
Currently I always have on me:
- USB-A to USB-C adaptor
- HDMI to USB-C cable
- lightning to USB-A cable
- lightning to USB-C cable
- USB-C to USB-C cable
that's excessive.
Nope. It's reality. It's what I have to carry to make sure I can connect my laptop to AV in places I'm visiting and be able to charge my phone/ipad.
This is not a new phenomenon. In the days of miniDP/TB ports I also needed >>> a plethora of dongles.
you're assuming your needs are the same as everyone else.
My needs are not unusual.
they'll also need to buy adapters, replacement cables and accessories, >>>> creating a lot of e-waste.
Yes, but unlikely as bad as you make out. Even Apple-only people will have >>> USB-C cables and chargers if they have a recent ipad or Macbook.
at least you admit it's not a big deal that they no longer include a
charger.
one major problem is that all of the lightning cables in cars, various
rooms, etc., will need to be doubled-up unless everyone in the
household replaces all of their phones at the same time, along with
other devices, such as airpods, apple tv remote, mouse, keyboard, etc.
maybe you have the money to do that but most people do not.
and it's not just cables either.
for some reason, people think that's the only thing that's connected to
the phone, which is simply false.
there are a wide variety of lightning accessories, from headphones
Lol. There is no lightning headphones market.
infrared cameras to breathalyzers and much more, some of which is *not*
cheap to replace. an adapter might suffice, but people don't like
adapters. some of those are specific to iphones and do not exist in a
usb-c version.
All very niche and will still work with existing hardware as well as via adapters on new hardware.
changing connectors is always disruptive.
it might be worthwhile long term, but short term it's going to cause
problems, and there's no getting around that.
Apple should have transitioned iphones to USB-C at the same time as ipads >>> and Macs.
no they shouldn't, nor was that even a realistic option.
apple was first to use usb-c with the 2015 macbook.
people complained that they needed all sorts of adapters because
nothing else used usb-c, which at the time was correct (one drawback of
being first), and that was for a mac that didn't even sell in huge
quantities.
changing every mac would have been insanely disruptive.
It works have been painful but short lived, not dragged over what will be nine years.
there are more than 1 billion iphones in active use. macs and ipads
don't come anywhere close to that.
not only would a complete switch have been highly disruptive, but there
are supply chain constraints, which were a bigger obstacle 7 years ago,
when usb-c was in its early days. even ignoring the disruption, it
would have been difficult to get a few billion usb-c plugs and sockets.
At least it would have self-consistent. It was really daft buyingthat is simply false.
a new Mac and iphone and not being able to charge the iphone from the Mac. >>
That's exactly what happened to me. With a new XR and a newish MBP it
wasn't possible to charge the phone via the mac without buying an
additional cable/adapter.
On 2022-10-06 13:51:25 +0000, Silvano said:
nospam hat am 10.06.2022 um 13:08 geschrieben:
a few people might, but 'almost everyone' will use the chargers
they
already have
You're a fool if you don't realize the absurdity of your suggestion.
Apple removed the charger for one reason alone - profits.
There is another reason: it makes them look good to the blinkered
Greenie and "Politically Correct" brigades.
It is of course total garabge because in some countries they still
have to legally include the charger (similar with earbuds), so do
... without any significant price difference to the countries that
do not get a charger and/or earbuds.
Apple's strategy is to slowly decontent the iPhone year after year.
It ain't just Apple though. As usual, the other companies are
quickly copy-catting when they see that Apple gets away with it.
It started years ago when companies, and not just computer
comanies, stopped including user manuals with the products.
You're an utter fool if you don't see right through Apple's
profit motives.
Nobody is going to spend a thousand dollars on an iPhone and then
take the
charger off their laptop just so that they can keep that
expensive iPhone
alive simply because Apple decided to inexorably remove basic
equipment for
profits.
Nobody is going to time share their expensive laptop or other
expensive
iPhone with their brand new expensive iPhone just because Apple
decided to
inexorably remove basic equipment for profits.
Nobody has ever been given the correct charger by Apple in the
iPhone (or
iPad) box for the latest iPhones so if they're sharing with their
other
iPhones, then their other device isn't getting charged at the
same time.
Your suggestion that all new iPhone owners are that stupid or
that cheap is
absurd - where Apple knows everyone needs to buy a new charger
when they
buy a new iPhone if they want to get the speeds they paid big
bucks for.
There's also the problem of whoever you pass your old device on to
someone else (kids, sell on eBay, etc.), they will now not get a
charger at all if you have to keep it for your new device.
LOL, I recall when I went to Toastmasters
In article <thnait$1r1p$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
It started years ago when companies, and not just computer comanies,
stopped including user manuals with the products.
user manuals are online.
not that it matters since almost nobody reads them, online or printed,
making a physical printed manual a waste.
There's also the problem of whoever you pass your old device on to
someone else (kids, sell on eBay, etc.), they will now not get a
charger at all if you have to keep it for your new device.
that's not in any way a problem. they have chargers too.
It started years ago when companies, and not just computer comanies,
stopped including user manuals with the products.
user manuals are online.
not that it matters since almost nobody reads them, online or printed, making a physical printed manual a waste.
Some people read them because they don't know everything.
Apple removed the charger for one reason alone - profits.
There is another reason: it makes them look good to the blinkered
Greenie and "Politically Correct" brigades.
It is of course total garabge because in some countries they still have
to legally include the charger (similar with earbuds), so do ...
without any significant price difference to the countries that do not
get a charger and/or earbuds.
Apple's strategy is to slowly decontent the iPhone year after year.
It ain't just Apple though. As usual, the other companies are quickly copy-catting when they see that Apple gets away with it.
It started years ago when companies, and not just computer comanies,
stopped including user manuals with the products.
There's also the problem of whoever you pass your old device on to
someone else (kids, sell on eBay, etc.), they will now not get a
charger at all if you have to keep it for your new device.
The problem has exactly one name: Apple.
All others are complying already.
many people have third party multi-port chargers and of course, older
usb-a chargers also work.
the issue is overblown.
There's also the problem of whoever you pass your old device on to
someone else (kids, sell on eBay, etc.), they will now not get a
charger at all if you have to keep it for your new device.
that's not in any way a problem. they have chargers too.
On 2022-10-05, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Overreaching to what? The European Parliament has decided for Europe and
that is law and standard in the EC. As a matter of fact by the sheer
size and purchasing power of the biggest single market on this planet
others have to follow for economic reasons.
This is the second time I've heard you say that here. The biggest single market on this planet is the United States. Google is your friend. Use
it.
Overreaching to what? The European Parliament has decided for Europe and
that is law and standard in the EC. As a matter of fact by the sheer
size and purchasing power of the biggest single market on this planet
others have to follow for economic reasons.
nospam hat am 10.06.2022 um 22:16 geschrieben:
There's also the problem of whoever you pass your old device on to
someone else (kids, sell on eBay, etc.), they will now not get a
charger at all if you have to keep it for your new device.
that's not in any way a problem. they have chargers too.
Apple has never shipped the correct USB-C PD charger for the latest set of thousand dollar high-speed fast-charging iPhones with *any* iPhone or iPad.
On 2022-10-05, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
Overreaching to what? The European Parliament has decided for Europe and
that is law and standard in the EC. As a matter of fact by the sheer
size and purchasing power of the biggest single market on this planet
others have to follow for economic reasons.
This is the second time I've heard you say that here. The biggest single market on this planet is the United States. Google is your friend. Use
it.
Your Name hat am 10.06.2022 um 21:33 geschrieben:
Apple removed the charger for one reason alone - profits.
There is another reason: it makes them look good to the blinkered
Greenie and "Politically Correct" brigades.
You are correct that there are people who fall for Apple's green ads.
But the reality is Apple did it purely for profit & for no other reason.
It is of course total garabge because in some countries they still have
to legally include the charger (similar with earbuds), so do ...
without any significant price difference to the countries that do not
get a charger and/or earbuds.
Apple's strategy is to remove content over time where Apple knows that many people will buy back that content at the Apple store (some won't though).
Apple profits go up either way, because by removing content Apple makes
their product at a lower cost, and many people will buy back the removed content from Apple (so Apple doubles up on the profit gain).
Apple's strategy is to slowly decontent the iPhone year after year.
It ain't just Apple though. As usual, the other companies are quickly
copy-catting when they see that Apple gets away with it.
Apple is usually first to decontent, and then some of the big Android
outfits like Google and Samsung follow suit on some of their products.
But notice a key difference when the Android outfits copy Apple moves. Samsung in particular only decontents certain models.
People dumb enough to buy those decontented models are welcome to do so but those who aren't that dumb will have plenty of other models to choose from.
Apple provides no alternative models.
Samsung does.
It started years ago when companies, and not just computer comanies,
stopped including user manuals with the products.
As I recall, Apple pioneered this decontenting for profit strategy.
But it doesn't matter who does it on an Apple newsgroup because we're
talking about Apple who does it all the time.
It's absurd to blame Samsung for something that Apple does which is what
the naysayers want us to do.
There's also the problem of whoever you pass your old device on to
someone else (kids, sell on eBay, etc.), they will now not get a
charger at all if you have to keep it for your new device.
As you stated, it's absurd for Apple or anyone to claim that people are
going to share their chargers when they buy a thousand dollar iPhone.
It's like buying a thousand dollar pair of shoes and then sharing the laces between two different pairs.
Really?!? I don't know that any of my friends go around selling my
details to others to make a profit from their "free" freindship. Nor do
my friends spam me with piles of crap and malware. :-p
On 2022-10-07, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Really?!? I don't know that any of my friends go around selling my
details to others to make a profit from their "free" freindship. Nor do
my friends spam me with piles of crap and malware. :-p
Use DuckDuckGo. Different pages, similar result.
<https://tradingeconomics.com/european-union/gdp> <https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp>
In article <thn9d7$3el5u$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:
Currently I always have on me:
- USB-A to USB-C adaptor
- HDMI to USB-C cable
- lightning to USB-A cable
- lightning to USB-C cable
- USB-C to USB-C cable
that's excessive.
Nope. It's reality. It's what I have to carry to make sure I can connect my >> laptop to AV in places I'm visiting and be able to charge my phone/ipad.
it might be what you carry, but do you really think everyone does the
same??
This is not a new phenomenon. In the days of miniDP/TB ports I also needed >>>> a plethora of dongles.
you're assuming your needs are the same as everyone else.
My needs are not unusual.
actually, they are.
most people don't carry a phone, a laptop, chargers, cables and hdmi
adapters everywhere they go.
battery run time is at least a day in normal use for both iphones and macbooks, so there's no need to carry cables or chargers. most people
carry *just* a phone, without any additional cables or chargers.
those who carry a laptop might bring an hdmi adapter *if* they're
giving a presentation, and only if they unsure an adapter will be
available, which is rare.
they certainly don't need to bring an hdmi adapter if they're going
between work and home, or to work at a library or coffee shop, or visit
a client site.
further, most people don't give presentations, such as students taking
notes or salespeople in the field, and probably don't even have an hdmi adapter to carry even if they wanted to.
and it's not just cables either.
for some reason, people think that's the only thing that's connected to
the phone, which is simply false.
there are a wide variety of lightning accessories, from headphones
Lol. There is no lightning headphones market.
yes there is. apple and several other companies make them and many
people use them, who now have to replace their headphones or use an
adapter, for literally no benefit.
<https://www.pocket-lint.com/headphones/buyers-guides/136466-best-lightn ing-headphones-and-earbuds-for-your-apple-iphone>
infrared cameras to breathalyzers and much more, some of which is *not*
cheap to replace. an adapter might suffice, but people don't like
adapters. some of those are specific to iphones and do not exist in a
usb-c version.
All very niche and will still work with existing hardware as well as via
adapters on new hardware.
they may be niche, but they will need to be replaced, adding to the
expense.
i can't help but notice the contradiction that it's acceptable to use
and adapter for those devices, but not with an analog headphone jack.
Apple should have transitioned iphones to USB-C at the same time as ipads >>>> and Macs.
no they shouldn't, nor was that even a realistic option.
apple was first to use usb-c with the 2015 macbook.
people complained that they needed all sorts of adapters because
nothing else used usb-c, which at the time was correct (one drawback of
being first), and that was for a mac that didn't even sell in huge
quantities.
changing every mac would have been insanely disruptive.
It works have been painful but short lived, not dragged over what will be
nine years.
at the time, it would have been a huge mistake.
in 2015, computers and chargers were usb-a, and a complete switchover
to usb-c on all devices would have been a disaster.
one of the criticisms of the 2015 macbook was that it use usb-c and no
usb-a, *requiring* adapters, and that's for a product that didn't sell anywhere near what iphones do.
At least it would have self-consistent. It was really daft buyingthat is simply false.
a new Mac and iphone and not being able to charge the iphone from the Mac. >>>
That's exactly what happened to me. With a new XR and a newish MBP it
wasn't possible to charge the phone via the mac without buying an
additional cable/adapter.
at the time of the release of the iphone xr, more people would have
been inconvenienced had apple included a usb-c cable instead of a usb-a cable.
transitions are not as simple or as easy as you might think.
I've never had a mobile phone, so I personally don't have any charger.
We do have an ancient iPad and someone else has a mobile phone,
but any
chargers we do have will be so old they either have the wrong plug
Your Name hat am 10.06.2022 um 21:33 geschrieben:
Apple removed the charger for one reason alone - profits.
There is another reason: it makes them look good to the blinkered
Greenie and "Politically Correct" brigades.
You are correct that there are people who fall for Apple's green ads.
But the reality is Apple did it purely for profit & for no other reason.
It is of course total garabge because in some countries they still have
to legally include the charger (similar with earbuds), so do ...
without any significant price difference to the countries that do not
get a charger and/or earbuds.
Apple's strategy is to remove content over time where Apple knows that many people will buy back that content at the Apple store (some won't though).
Apple profits go up either way, because by removing content Apple makes
their product at a lower cost, and many people will buy back the removed content from Apple (so Apple doubles up on the profit gain).
Apple's strategy is to slowly decontent the iPhone year after year.
It ain't just Apple though. As usual, the other companies are quickly
copy-catting when they see that Apple gets away with it.
Apple is usually first to decontent, and then some of the big Android
outfits like Google and Samsung follow suit on some of their products.
But notice a key difference when the Android outfits copy Apple moves. Samsung in particular only decontents certain models.
People dumb enough to buy those decontented models are welcome to do so but those who aren't that dumb will have plenty of other models to choose from.
Apple provides no alternative models.
Samsung does.
It started years ago when companies, and not just computer comanies,
stopped including user manuals with the products.
As I recall, Apple pioneered this decontenting for profit strategy.
But it doesn't matter who does it on an Apple newsgroup because we're
talking about Apple who does it all the time.
It's absurd to blame Samsung for something that Apple does which is what
the naysayers want us to do.
There's also the problem of whoever you pass your old device on to
someone else (kids, sell on eBay, etc.), they will now not get a
charger at all if you have to keep it for your new device.
As you stated, it's absurd for Apple or anyone to claim that people are
going to share their chargers when they buy a thousand dollar iPhone.
You're a great spokesperson for "most people" yet completely disregard real use cases. Convenient how "most people" always fit your world view isn't
it? Also convenient that it's a device to avoid providing facts.
Since nearly everyone that buys an iPhone capable of higher-wattage
charging is also going to buy a higher wattage USB-C PD charger,
"Most people don't...." Yet the reality is that most people
do...." at least occasionally. Including students.
In article <tho5d7$192i$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
I've never had a mobile phone, so I personally don't have any charger.
We do have an ancient iPad and someone else has a mobile phone,
so you do have chargers. why did you say you didn't?
but any
chargers we do have will be so old they either have the wrong plug
false. they'll work perfectly fine and the plug is correct
Chris wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/04/eu-votes-to-force-all-phones-to-use-same-charger-by-2024
The vote, 602 in favour vs 13 against, means all portable devices
including iphones need to use USB-C from 2024. This may affect the
iphone 15 but will definitely mean the iphone 16 will be using USB-C.
Or be completely wireless.
If the iPhone 16 goes completely wireless I predict the iPhone 15 will
be Apple's bestseller ever.
It wouldn't be a big surprise if Apple started making EU-specific USB-C models and left the other countries with the whatever charging port
Apple chooses to use.
They're already now making US-specific SIM-less
models.
On 2022-10-04 20:05:03 +0000, badgolferman said:
Chris wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/04/eu-votes-to-force-all-phones-to-use-same-charger-by-2024
The vote, 602 in favour vs 13 against, means all portable devices
including iphones need to use USB-C from 2024. This may affect the
iphone 15 but will definitely mean the iphone 16 will be using
USB-C.
Or be completely wireless.
If the iPhone 16 goes completely wireless I predict the iPhone 15
will
be Apple's bestseller ever.
It wouldn't be a big surprise if Apple started making EU-specific
USB-C models and left the other countries with the whatever
charging port Apple chooses to use. They're already now making
US-specific SIM-less models.
nospam wrote:
In article <tho5d7$192i$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
I've never had a mobile phone, so I personally don't have any charger.
We do have an ancient iPad and someone else has a mobile phone,
so you do have chargers. why did you say you didn't?
Please be gentle on nospam. He does not yet know the difference between
"I personally" and "We". He may still be learning English.
but any
chargers we do have will be so old they either have the wrong plug
false. they'll work perfectly fine and the plug is correct
Please be gentle on nospam. He has never had or seen an old charger
nospam wrote:
In article <tho5d7$192i$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
I've never had a mobile phone, so I personally don't have any charger.
We do have an ancient iPad and someone else has a mobile phone,
so you do have chargers. why did you say you didn't?
Please be gentle on nospam.
He does not yet know the difference between "I personally" and "We". He
may still be learning English.
but any
chargers we do have will be so old they either have the wrong plug
false. they'll work perfectly fine and the plug is correct
Please be gentle on nospam. He has never had or seen an old charger
which plugs into the device with one of these shown in this picture: <https://www.sunnewsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/mobile_phone_chargers.jpeg>
Samsung provides "alternative" because they play in all the ranges,
from cheap 'n' nasty to hyper expensive.
I've never had a mobile phone, so I personally don't have any charger.
you're the exception, and not in a position to comment either.
Since nearly everyone that buys an iPhone capable of higher-wattage
charging is also going to buy a higher wattage USB-C PD charger, it's annoying that something that would cost <$2 to include now needs to be purchased at retail price.
A 20W single-port USB-C PD charger costs $19 from Apple.
A 35W dual port USB-C PD charger costs $59 from Apple.
I suspect that a lot of people will just add a charger from Apple at the
same time they order their phone, if they are buying online from Apple
or at an Apple Store. This is a good business model for Apple
What I've been using is this charger:
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XYNK5TG/> with two USB-C PD ports and one
USB-A port. The USB-A port I use for Apple Watch cord, and one USB-C PD
is able to charge my laptop since the charger goes up to 67W. $21.59 is
a pretty fair price.
Since nearly everyone that buys an iPhone capable of higher-wattage
charging is also going to buy a higher wattage USB-C PD charger,
false and baseless assumption.
[1] Apple has never provided the correct USB-C PD charger with any iPhone
or iPad and even if they did, people with that specific recent model iPhone >> or iPad will be using that PD USB-C charger and not sharing it with their
new iPhone.
As was pointed out, they did provide it on one model, the iPhone 11 Pro.
[2] For Apple to claim "any old charger" will attain the PD speeds that the >> iPhone was designed for is transparently absurd.
Apple never claimed that, at least not explicitly. The one incorrect statement that they made was the claim that most people would already
have a USB-C PD charger to use with the provided cable.
[3] As a result, almost everyone who buys a new iPhone has to also buy a
new high speed PD USB-C charging block for that new iPhone.
They want to, but they don't have to.
Otherwise they don't get the charging speeds the new iPhone was designed
for.
Correct. But some may be okay charging at lower speeds.
sms hat am 10.06.2022 um 18:47 geschrieben:
[1] Apple has never provided the correct USB-C PD charger with any iPhone >>> or iPad and even if they did, people with that specific recent model iPhone >>> or iPad will be using that PD USB-C charger and not sharing it with their >>> new iPhone.
As was pointed out, they did provide it on one model, the iPhone 11 Pro.
Check again please.
It's the right port but the wrong wattage for the latest iPhones.
What Apple really wants
MagSafe is a big improvement over non-MagSafe wireless charging.
If you recall, Apple recently stated that users should stop using
protective cases with their iPhones.
One reason, unstated, was that many
cases did not support MagSafe charging, either not at all, or it charged
but didn't magnetically snap to the case
<https://www.inc.com/jeff-haden/apples-new-ad-implies-you-no-longer-need-a-cas
e-for-an-iphone-its-very-smart-marketing.html>.
Fortunately, there are now cases that work with MagSafe, either because they've embedded magnets in the case, or because the back of the case is
so thin that the iPhone's own magnets work through the case.
In article <thslm6$8sm1$3@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
What Apple really wants
you don't know what they really want and your guesses are wildly
incorrect.
MagSafe is a big improvement over non-MagSafe wireless charging.
yet another apple-first, which android lacks.
If you recall, Apple recently stated that users should stop using
protective cases with their iPhones.
no they didn't.
apple sells numerous cases in their store, from both apple and third
parties.
where do you come up with this shit?
One reason, unstated, was that many
cases did not support MagSafe charging, either not at all, or it charged
but didn't magnetically snap to the case
rubbish. no such reason exists.
obviously some cases won't work with magsafe, notably the thicker more
rugged cases.
<https://www.inc.com/jeff-haden/apples-new-ad-implies-you-no-longer-need-a-cas
e-for-an-iphone-its-very-smart-marketing.html>.
*implies* is not the same as stated, and the claim that the ad even
suggests anything of the sort, let alone imply or state, is quite the stretch.
Fortunately, there are now cases that work with MagSafe, either because
they've embedded magnets in the case, or because the back of the case is
so thin that the iPhone's own magnets work through the case.
there always have been such cases ever since magsafe was released.
nospam wrote:
In article <thslm6$8sm1$3@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
What Apple really wants
you don't know what they really want and your guesses are wildly
incorrect.
We can't trust you either
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