I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the
surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

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On 2024-03-06, Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the
surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website:

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>

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On 2024-03-06 16:06, Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2024-03-06, Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the
surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website:

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>

Like most minor updates, nothing to get lathered about. I'll let it do
it overnight.

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- John Maynard Keynes.

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On 2024-03-06 20:36:52 +0000, Cameo said:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the
surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

Some of it is changes to appease the EU laws (and so only work in the
EU countries) and most of the rest of it is the usual pointless
gimmickry used by a tiny percentage of users.

iOS 17.4 Features: What's New in iOS 17.4
<https://www.macrumors.com/guide/ios-17-4-features/>

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On 2024-03-07, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Cameo wrote:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the surface >> I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

Probably just a few new emoticons. Apple updates rarely have anything
useful. A little fluff and bullshit is the most you can hope for.

Trolling is literally all you do here. You're boring.

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Cameo wrote:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the surface
I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

Probably just a few new emoticons. Apple updates rarely have anything
useful. A little fluff and bullshit is the most you can hope for.

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On 06/03/2024 at 20:36, Cameo wrote:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the
surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

I'm really excited about the lime emoji ;)

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On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 11:27:55 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:

On 2024-03-06 20:36:52 +0000, Cameo said:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the
surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

Some of it is changes to appease the EU laws (and so only work in the
EU countries) and most of the rest of it is the usual pointless
gimmickry used by a tiny percentage of users.

I often look down the list of new features on iOS releases and often
one of the first things I see is "new emojis". I lose interest at that
point.

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On 2024-03-07, Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 11:27:55 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:

On 2024-03-06 20:36:52 +0000, Cameo said:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the
surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

Some of it is changes to appease the EU laws (and so only work in the
EU countries) and most of the rest of it is the usual pointless
gimmickry used by a tiny percentage of users.

I often look down the list of new features on iOS releases and often
one of the first things I see is "new emojis". I lose interest at that
point.

That's nice.

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On 3/7/2024 10:08 AM, Wilf wrote:

On 06/03/2024 at 20:36, Cameo wrote:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the
surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

I'm really excited about the lime emoji ;)

Good for you!

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Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2024-03-07, Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 11:27:55 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:

On 2024-03-06 20:36:52 +0000, Cameo said:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the
surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

Some of it is changes to appease the EU laws (and so only work in the
EU countries) and most of the rest of it is the usual pointless
gimmickry used by a tiny percentage of users.

I often look down the list of new features on iOS releases and often
one of the first things I see is "new emojis". I lose interest at that
point.

That's nice.

You probably get very excited when you see a few new emojis.

Some people don't.

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On 2024-03-07 04:08, Wilf wrote:

On 06/03/2024 at 20:36, Cameo wrote:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the
surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

I'm really excited about the lime emoji ;)

Where this falls apart:

I just sent a "lime" emoji as a test. It shows up on my iMac (up to
date OS) as a lemon with a green square to the right.

Since my SO (recipient of the test) has an iPhone 7, she won't get the
lime emoji either.

--
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- John Maynard Keynes.

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Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2024-03-07, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Cameo wrote:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the surface >>> I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

Probably just a few new emoticons. Apple updates rarely have anything
useful. A little fluff and bullshit is the most you can hope for.

Trolling is literally all you do here. You're boring.

Nope, I just haven't been inducted into the apple cult yet. How many macs
do you own? I think I need to get a few.

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On 2024-03-07, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2024-03-07, Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 11:27:55 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:

On 2024-03-06 20:36:52 +0000, Cameo said:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the
surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

Some of it is changes to appease the EU laws (and so only work in
the EU countries) and most of the rest of it is the usual pointless
gimmickry used by a tiny percentage of users.

I often look down the list of new features on iOS releases and often
one of the first things I see is "new emojis". I lose interest at
that point.

That's nice.

You probably get very excited when you see a few new emojis.

Nope.

Some people don't.

Most people don't. That doesn't mean the only things that change are
emojis. Of course strange childish reactionaries who stop reading at the
first hint of emojis won't know that. Their loss.

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On 2024-03-07, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2024-03-07, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Cameo wrote:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the
surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

Probably just a few new emoticons. Apple updates rarely have
anything useful. A little fluff and bullshit is the most you can
hope for.

Trolling is literally all you do here. You're boring.

Nope, I just haven't been inducted into the apple cult yet.

TIL: Recognizing that OS updates are useful and have more than just
emoji updates is a cult behavior.

Your trolls are as weak as your intellect.

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*Hemidactylus* wrote:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2024-03-07, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Cameo wrote:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the surface
I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

Probably just a few new emoticons. Apple updates rarely have anything
useful. A little fluff and bullshit is the most you can hope for.

Trolling is literally all you do here. You're boring.

Nope, I just haven't been inducted into the apple cult yet. How many macs
do you own? I think I need to get a few.

What exactly brings you here day in and day out?

Same as you, hemorrhoidactylus, I want to join this cult.

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Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2024-03-07, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Cameo wrote:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the surface >>>> I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

Probably just a few new emoticons. Apple updates rarely have anything
useful. A little fluff and bullshit is the most you can hope for.

Trolling is literally all you do here. You're boring.

Nope, I just haven't been inducted into the apple cult yet. How many macs
do you own? I think I need to get a few.

What exactly brings you here day in and day out?

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2024-03-06, Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the
surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website:

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>

Also, security fixes as shown in <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT214081/>. --
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On 2024-03-07, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2024-03-07, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Cameo wrote:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the
surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

Probably just a few new emoticons. Apple updates rarely have
anything useful. A little fluff and bullshit is the most you can
hope for.

Trolling is literally all you do here. You're boring.

Nope, I just haven't been inducted into the apple cult yet. How many
macs do you own? I think I need to get a few.

What exactly brings you here day in and day out?

Trolling. Pretty pathetic behavior. Most adults who dislike something
don't spend hours and hours every day trolling forums for that thing
because they have better things to do with their time.

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2024-03-07, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2024-03-07, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Cameo wrote:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the >>>>>> surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

Probably just a few new emoticons. Apple updates rarely have
anything useful. A little fluff and bullshit is the most you can
hope for.

Trolling is literally all you do here. You're boring.

Nope, I just haven't been inducted into the apple cult yet. How many
macs do you own? I think I need to get a few.

What exactly brings you here day in and day out?

Trolling. Pretty pathetic behavior. Most adults who dislike something
don't spend hours and hours every day trolling forums for that thing
because they have better things to do with their time.

Look who’s talking.

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On 07/03/2024 at 22:49, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-03-07 04:08, Wilf wrote:

On 06/03/2024 at 20:36, Cameo wrote:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the
surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

I'm really excited about the lime emoji ;)

Where this falls apart:

I just sent a "lime" emoji as a test. It shows up on my iMac (up to
date OS) as a lemon with a green square to the right.

Since my SO (recipient of the test) has an iPhone 7, she won't get the
lime emoji either.

I was joking about the lime emoji, but seriously surprised that it
doesn't get rendered properly on older machines. I wonder how it will
look on Android phones? How do any Apple emojis look on other machines?

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On 2024-03-08, Hank Rogers <invalid@nospam.com> wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2024-03-07, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2024-03-07, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Cameo wrote:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on
the surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

Probably just a few new emoticons. Apple updates rarely have
anything useful. A little fluff and bullshit is the most you can
hope for.

Trolling is literally all you do here. You're boring.

Nope, I just haven't been inducted into the apple cult yet. How
many macs do you own? I think I need to get a few.

What exactly brings you here day in and day out?

Trolling. Pretty pathetic behavior. Most adults who dislike something
don't spend hours and hours every day trolling forums for that thing
because they have better things to do with their time.

Look who’s talking.

Unlike you, I'm in the Apple newsgroups because I enjoy using their
products. Go ahead and point to a single post from me in the Android newsgroups. We'll wait...

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On 2024-03-08 06:06, Wilf wrote:

On 07/03/2024 at 22:49, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2024-03-07 04:08, Wilf wrote:

On 06/03/2024 at 20:36, Cameo wrote:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the
surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

I'm really excited about the lime emoji ;)

Where this falls apart:

I just sent a "lime" emoji as a test.  It shows up on my iMac (up to
date OS) as a lemon with a green square to the right.

Since my SO (recipient of the test) has an iPhone 7, she won't get the
lime emoji either.

I was joking about the lime emoji, but seriously surprised that it
doesn't get rendered properly on older machines.  I wonder how it will
look on Android phones?   How do any Apple emojis look on other machines?

Emoji's are not transmitted as an image but as a code. (Same as
characters - the computer has to generate the font to be seen. And this
turns into a whole "thing" of its own with various fonts and extended
character sets and the saving grace of Unicode (UTF-8, etc)...).

Emoji's were a defacto thing when they first emerged. As such the code
for an emoji could render something unrelated on a different device it
it didn't adhere to the same "standard".

Eventually Emoji's were taken into Unicode. Yep. There is a committee
that manages the codes and what they're supposed to represent. Apple is
a member of Unicode as are the usual suspects and many more.

But, each co. (Apple, etc.) has to come up with scalable graphics for
each code for their own OS'. And then distribute that amongst it's OS versions. Retro fitting this is practical only to the depth of standard support. To boot, companies revise their emoji's over time (improve the graphic somehow or add variation.

So to your last question, how the Apple sent emoji looks on, say, an
Android phone, is up to the Android OS that receives the emoji.

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On 7 Mar 2024 23:07:18 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

You probably get very excited when you see a few new emojis.

Nope.

Some people don't.

Most people don't. That doesn't mean the only things that change are
emojis. Of course strange childish reactionaries who stop reading at the first hint of emojis won't know that. Their loss.

Apple clearly and obviously openly says you're wrong, Jolly Roger.

Apple knows what most of its customers care about, which is why the very
first sentence is "This update introduces new emoji..."

Apple knows how spectacularly childish its customer base is, so the first "detailed" paragraph of what's new in this release is the following...

Emoji!
New mushroom, phoenix, lime, broken chain, and shaking heads emoji
are now available in the emoji keyboard!
18 people and body emoji add the option to face them in either direction!"

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On 6 Mar 2024 21:06:17 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website:

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>

You have to admit, after reading that description of the update, that Apple coders are hard at work giving Apple customers what they pine for most...

"This update introduces new emoji..."

It shows clearly that Apple thinks its own customer is incredibly stupid.

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Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:

On 6 Mar 2024 21:06:17 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website:

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>

You have to admit, after reading that description of the update, that Apple coders are hard at work giving Apple customers what they pine for most...

"This update introduces new emoji..."

It shows clearly that Apple thinks its own customer is incredibly stupid.

Fuck off Arlen and take your lapturd Mr Hankey the Xmas poo with you on the
way out the door.

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On 2024-03-08 16:25, Sten deJoode wrote:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 23:48:59 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website:

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>

You have to admit, after reading that description of the update, that Apple >>> coders are hard at work giving Apple customers what they pine for most... >>>
"This update introduces new emoji..."

It shows clearly that Apple thinks its own customer is incredibly stupid. >>>

Fuck off

If you think Apple doesn't think the customer is stupid by advertising
first and foremost (as if it's a big deal) the 18 new emoji, what does Apple's oft loud touting of "*NEW!*" yellow iPhones & emoji tell you?

They didn't "advertise" it at all. A support note is not an advertisement.

And it isn't what they said "first and foremost":

'iOS 17 brings big updates to Phone, Messages, and FaceTime that give
you new ways to express yourself as you communicate. StandBy delivers a
new full-screen experience with glanceable information designed to view
from a distance when you turn iPhone on its side while charging. AirDrop
makes it easier to share and connect with those around you and adds
NameDrop for contact sharing. Enhancements to the keyboard make entering
text faster and easier than ever before. iOS 17 also includes updates to Widgets, Safari, Music, AirPlay, and more.'

That is the entire first paragraph.

Can you point out where it says "emoji"?

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On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 23:48:59 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website:

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>

You have to admit, after reading that description of the update, that Apple >> coders are hard at work giving Apple customers what they pine for most...

"This update introduces new emoji..."

It shows clearly that Apple thinks its own customer is incredibly stupid.

Fuck off

If you think Apple doesn't think the customer is stupid by advertising
first and foremost (as if it's a big deal) the 18 new emoji, what does
Apple's oft loud touting of "*NEW!*" yellow iPhones & emoji tell you?

Does it indicate to you that Apple thinks its customers make smart choices?

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2024-03-08, Hank Rogers <invalid@nospam.com> wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2024-03-07, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2024-03-07, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Cameo wrote:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on >>>>>>>> the surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

Probably just a few new emoticons. Apple updates rarely have
anything useful. A little fluff and bullshit is the most you can >>>>>>> hope for.

Trolling is literally all you do here. You're boring.

Nope, I just haven't been inducted into the apple cult yet. How
many macs do you own? I think I need to get a few.

What exactly brings you here day in and day out?

Trolling. Pretty pathetic behavior. Most adults who dislike something
don't spend hours and hours every day trolling forums for that thing
because they have better things to do with their time.

Look who’s talking.

Unlike you, I'm in the Apple newsgroups because I enjoy using their
products. Go ahead and point to a single post from me in the Android newsgroups. We'll wait...

I don’t have an android either and I don’t post there either.

I do have an iPhone and an iPad. But I do not worship them.

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On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 10:55:01 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

But, each co. (Apple, etc.) has to come up with scalable graphics for
each code for their own OS'. And then distribute that amongst it's OS
versions. Retro fitting this is practical only to the depth of standard
support. To boot, companies revise their emoji's over time (improve the
graphic somehow or add variation.

Yep. For example the gun emoji was changed to a water pistol on Apple
devices from an actual handgun.

I was unaware that the emoji are characters (in transmission) and then are rendered on the device as per how the messaging app renders them, so thanks
for that information.

Does it also apply to those things they call "stickers" too?

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On 2024-03-08, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:

On 7 Mar 2024 23:07:18 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

You probably get very excited when you see a few new emojis.

Nope.

Some people don't.

Most people don't. That doesn't mean the only things that change are
emojis. Of course strange childish reactionaries who stop reading at
the first hint of emojis won't know that. Their loss.

Apple clearly and obviously openly says you're wrong, Jolly Roger.

Apple knows what most of its customers care about, which is why the
very first sentence is "This update introduces new emoji..."

Actually, the first paragraph on the page doesn't even mention emoji:

--- About iOS 17 Updates

iOS 17 brings big updates to Phone, Messages, and FaceTime that give you
new ways to express yourself as you communicate. StandBy delivers a new full-screen experience with glanceable information designed to view from
a distance when you turn iPhone on its side while charging. AirDrop
makes it easier to share and connect with those around you and adds
NameDrop for contact sharing. Enhancements to the keyboard make entering
text faster and easier than ever before. iOS 17 also includes updates to Widgets, Safari, Music, AirPlay, and more. ---

Apple knows how spectacularly childish its customer base is

Your schoolyard insults are juvenile and boring, Arlen.

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On 2024-03-09, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2024-03-08 16:25, Sten deJoode wrote:

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 23:48:59 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website:

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>

You have to admit, after reading that description of the update,
that Apple coders are hard at work giving Apple customers what they
pine for most...

"This update introduces new emoji..."

It shows clearly that Apple thinks its own customer is incredibly
stupid.

Fuck off

If you think Apple doesn't think the customer is stupid by
advertising first and foremost (as if it's a big deal) the 18 new
emoji, what does Apple's oft loud touting of "*NEW!*" yellow iPhones
& emoji tell you?

They didn't "advertise" it at all. A support note is not an
advertisement.

And it isn't what they said "first and foremost":

'iOS 17 brings big updates to Phone, Messages, and FaceTime that give
you new ways to express yourself as you communicate. StandBy delivers
a new full-screen experience with glanceable information designed to
view from a distance when you turn iPhone on its side while charging.
AirDrop makes it easier to share and connect with those around you and
adds NameDrop for contact sharing. Enhancements to the keyboard make
entering text faster and easier than ever before. iOS 17 also includes updates to Widgets, Safari, Music, AirPlay, and more.'

That is the entire first paragraph.

Can you point out where it says "emoji"?

You're supposed to skim *past* that and go directly to "emojis",
because: troll.

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On 2024-03-09, Hank Rogers <invalid@nospam.com> wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2024-03-08, Hank Rogers <invalid@nospam.com> wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2024-03-07, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2024-03-07, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Cameo wrote:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on >>>>>>>>> the surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.

Probably just a few new emoticons. Apple updates rarely have
anything useful. A little fluff and bullshit is the most you
can hope for.

Trolling is literally all you do here. You're boring.

Nope, I just haven't been inducted into the apple cult yet. How
many macs do you own? I think I need to get a few.

What exactly brings you here day in and day out?

Trolling. Pretty pathetic behavior. Most adults who dislike
something don't spend hours and hours every day trolling forums for
that thing because they have better things to do with their time.

Look who’s talking.

Unlike you, I'm in the Apple newsgroups because I enjoy using their
products. Go ahead and point to a single post from me in the Android
newsgroups. We'll wait...

I don’t have an android either and I don’t post there either.

I do have an iPhone and an iPad. But I do not worship them.

TIL recognizing that iOS updates contain more than "just a few new
emoticons" is "worship". Your juvenile trolls are both weak and boring.
Find a better hobby. This one is pathetic.

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On 2024-03-09 12:05, Gelato wrote:

On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 10:55:01 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

But, each co. (Apple, etc.) has to come up with scalable graphics for
each code for their own OS'. And then distribute that amongst it's OS
versions. Retro fitting this is practical only to the depth of standard >>> support. To boot, companies revise their emoji's over time (improve the >>> graphic somehow or add variation.

Yep. For example the gun emoji was changed to a water pistol on Apple
devices from an actual handgun.

I was unaware that the emoji are characters (in transmission) and then are rendered on the device as per how the messaging app renders them, so thanks for that information.

Does it also apply to those things they call "stickers" too?

Stickers are an "Apple" thing as far as I know. How they're encoded, I
don't know, but would be surprised if the scheme is not similar to emoji.
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On 9 Mar 2024 17:31:29 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

You're supposed to skim *past* that and go directly to "emojis"

Idiots.

I don't see what you responded to, but YOUR OWN CITE starts off with
emojis, so for you to claim that it doesn't shows you didn't read it.
On 6 Mar 2024 21:06:17 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website:
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>\

"iOS 17.4
This update introduces new emoji...
Emoji
New mushroom, phoenix, lime, broken chain, and shaking heads emoji
are now available in the emoji keyboard
18 people and body emoji add the option to face them
in either direction"

That you didn't read your own cite shows how ignorant you really are.
People like you are the reason Apple thinks its loyal customers are stupid.

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On 9 Mar 2024 17:36:09 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

TIL recognizing that iOS updates contain more than "just a few new
emoticons" is "worship". Your juvenile trolls are both weak and boring.
Find a better hobby. This one is pathetic.

I have studied you, Jolly Roger, because you're such a strange person.
You worship Apple. You worship EVERYTHING about Apple Jolly Roger.

You worship Apple much like any religious nutcase worships their God.
That's why you hate anyone who says anything about Apple you don't like.

You're no different than any other religious nutcase, Jolly Roger.
It's us and them to you.

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On 9 Mar 2024 17:34:19 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

Actually, the first paragraph on the page doesn't even mention emoji:

Read your own cite, Jolly Roger.

On 6 Mar 2024 21:06:17 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website:
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>\

"iOS 17.4
This update introduces new emoji...
Emoji
New mushroom, phoenix, lime, broken chain, and shaking heads emoji
are now available in the emoji keyboard
18 people and body emoji add the option to face them
in either direction"

That you didn't read your own cite shows how ignorant you really are.
People like you are the reason Apple thinks its loyal customers are stupid.

Otherwise Apple wouldn't make childish emoji the main feature in the
release (along with the color of the phone being more important than
anything else).

iPhones sell to children
Apple knows this

Apple sells iPhones to children
That's why emoji are their major focus

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Sten deJoode wrote:

On 9 Mar 2024 17:36:09 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

TIL recognizing that iOS updates contain more than "just a few new
emoticons" is "worship". Your juvenile trolls are both weak and boring.
Find a better hobby. This one is pathetic.

I have studied you, Jolly Roger, because you're such a strange person.
You worship Apple. You worship EVERYTHING about Apple Jolly Roger.

You worship Apple much like any religious nutcase worships their God.
That's why you hate anyone who says anything about Apple you don't like.

You're no different than any other religious nutcase, Jolly Roger.
It's us and them to you.

He's a nutcase for sure, but I'll tell you, whether you are arlen or not: I have several apple devices. I like them and use them daily. I do not
worship them, and I won't commit suicide waiting for the apple spaceship.
I'm just a user, and I haven't drank the coolaide, but I'm aware the potion exists.

But, if you are indeed arlen, you have the reverse mental disease that
plagues the apple cult members. No hope for either of you.

You're all fucked

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On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 17:32:27 -0600, Hank Rogers wrote:

I have several apple devices. I like them and use them daily.

I probably have more Apple devices than you do.
What does that prove?

You can own an Apple device and not worship Apple like a God.
Or you can own an Apple device and worship Apple like a God.

Jolly Roger is the latter.
That's all I was saying.

You're normal. He's not.

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Sten deJoode wrote:

On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 17:32:27 -0600, Hank Rogers wrote:

I have several apple devices. I like them and use them daily.

I probably have more Apple devices than you do.
What does that prove?

You can own an Apple device and not worship Apple like a God.
Or you can own an Apple device and worship Apple like a God.

Jolly Roger is the latter.
That's all I was saying.

You're normal. He's not.

Yeah, I have an SE2 telephone which works OK. And an Ipad gen 9 which works pretty well. They are tools, and no need to worship or fanatically defend
the company that had them made in china and sold them to me.

I have a Hamilton beach electric can opener too, but it never occurred to
me that I should defend that company if anyone said anything about them,
good or bad.

It's fucking crazy. Downright psychotic.

But, say, have you seen old nospam lately? he used to be the most rabid of
the cult members here, but I haven't seen him lately. I hope he's OK and
didn't have a stroke.

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On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 19:17:35 -0600, Hank Rogers wrote:

I have a Hamilton beach electric can opener too, but it never occurred to
me that I should defend that company if anyone said anything about them,
good or bad.

Likewise, I have an old IBM Thinkpad and a less old IBM Lenovo Thinkpad but
I don't defend IBM (or Lenovo) every time someone says something about them that I don't happen to like.

But that's not Jolly Roger.
Jolly Roger is a cultist.
Cultists are strange people.

I don't claim that IBM can do no wrong, as Jolly Roger does about Apple.
I don't make up absurd excuses for everything IBM does that's wrong either.

Jolly Roger would defend IBM (or Lenovo) to the point of absurdity,
claiming they should never be sued & when they are, that every lawsuit is baseless - simply because Jolly Roger doesn't like IBM being sued.

And, if it happens to be the case that IBM settled these lawsuits from just about everyone on the planet for about a billion dollars, Jolly Roger would
say it was every attorneys general and every prosecutor and every lawyer
out to get his God-like IBM (or Lenovo) company that he worships daily.

Since IBM would settle without admitting guilt, then surely they were completely innocent and all these customer focused people are simply out to
get IBM, his reverred God.

It's the same thing all religious fundamentalists do, and it's why you saw Protestants killing Catholics and Shia Muslims killing Sunni Muslims, etc.

It's us versus them in Jolly Roger's strange cultist mind.
Anyone who doesn't revere his God is immediately a threat and an enemy.

There's a reason for this, by the way.
If you want to know *why* Jolly Roger is that way, just ask.

Otherwise we can leave this at simply agreeing Jolly Roger is a classic Apple-can-do-no-wrong religious cultist believer to the core.

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2024-03-09, Hank Rogers <invalid@nospam.com> wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2024-03-08, Hank Rogers <invalid@nospam.com> wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2024-03-07, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2024-03-07, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Cameo wrote:

I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on >>>>>>>>>> the surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper. >>>>>>>>>

Probably just a few new emoticons. Apple updates rarely have >>>>>>>>> anything useful. A little fluff and bullshit is the most you >>>>>>>>> can hope for.

Trolling is literally all you do here. You're boring.

Nope, I just haven't been inducted into the apple cult yet. How
many macs do you own? I think I need to get a few.

What exactly brings you here day in and day out?

Trolling. Pretty pathetic behavior. Most adults who dislike
something don't spend hours and hours every day trolling forums for
that thing because they have better things to do with their time.

Look who’s talking.

Unlike you, I'm in the Apple newsgroups because I enjoy using their
products. Go ahead and point to a single post from me in the Android
newsgroups. We'll wait...

I don’t have an android either and I don’t post there either.

I do have an iPhone and an iPad. But I do not worship them.

TIL recognizing that iOS updates contain more than "just a few new
emoticons" is "worship". Your juvenile trolls are both weak and boring.
Find a better hobby. This one is pathetic.

Hankeypoo carries Arlen’s sock drawer for him. Whether he washes the socks after the deeds or rolls around on them in submissive obeisance is beside
the point.

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On 2024-03-09, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:

On 9 Mar 2024 17:31:29 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

You're supposed to skim *past* that and go directly to "emojis"

Idiots.

I don't see what you responded to, but YOUR OWN CITE starts off with
emojis, so for you to claim that it doesn't shows you didn't read it.

LOL... This is literally the first paragraph on the page:

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>
---
About iOS 17 Updates

iOS 17 brings big updates to Phone, Messages, and FaceTime that give you
new ways to express yourself as you communicate. StandBy delivers a new full-screen experience with glanceable information designed to view from
a distance when you turn iPhone on its side while charging. AirDrop
makes it easier to share and connect with those around you and adds
NameDrop for contact sharing. Enhancements to the keyboard make entering
text faster and easier than ever before. iOS 17 also includes updates to Widgets, Safari, Music, AirPlay, and more.
---

You're a fool.

That you didn't read your own cite shows how ignorant you really are.

Projection from a loser troll.

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On 2024-03-09, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:

On 9 Mar 2024 17:36:09 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

TIL recognizing that iOS updates contain more than "just a few new
emoticons" is "worship". Your juvenile trolls are both weak and
boring. Find a better hobby. This one is pathetic.

I have studied you, Jolly Roger, because you're such a strange person.
You worship Apple. You worship EVERYTHING about Apple Jolly Roger.

You worship Apple much like any religious nutcase worships their God.
That's why you hate anyone who says anything about Apple you don't
like.

You're no different than any other religious nutcase, Jolly Roger.
It's us and them to you.

Adults will note that like a child, little Arlen doesn't address the
fact that iOS updates do indeed contain more than "just a few new
emojis" and thinks repeating that lie strengthens it.

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On 2024-03-09, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:

On 9 Mar 2024 17:34:19 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

Actually, the first paragraph on the page doesn't even mention emoji:

Read your own cite, Jolly Roger.

On 6 Mar 2024 21:06:17 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website: <https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>\

I have, and this is the first paragraph on the page:

---
About iOS 17 Updates

iOS 17 brings big updates to Phone, Messages, and FaceTime that give you
new ways to express yourself as you communicate. StandBy delivers a new full-screen experience with glanceable information designed to view from
a distance when you turn iPhone on its side while charging. AirDrop
makes it easier to share and connect with those around you and adds
NameDrop for contact sharing. Enhancements to the keyboard make entering
text faster and easier than ever before. iOS 17 also includes updates to Widgets, Safari, Music, AirPlay, and more.
---

That you didn't read your own cite shows how ignorant you really are.

Projection.

People like you
childish emoji
color of the phone being more important than anything else
iPhones sell to children
Apple sells iPhones to children
emoji

Juvenile schoolyard insults are all you have. You're a bore of a troll.

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On 2024-03-09, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Sten deJoode wrote:

On 9 Mar 2024 17:36:09 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

TIL recognizing that iOS updates contain more than "just a few new
emoticons" is "worship". Your juvenile trolls are both weak and
boring. Find a better hobby. This one is pathetic.

I have studied you, Jolly Roger, because you're such a strange
person. You worship Apple. You worship EVERYTHING about Apple Jolly
Roger.

You worship Apple much like any religious nutcase worships their God.
That's why you hate anyone who says anything about Apple you don't
like.

You're no different than any other religious nutcase, Jolly Roger.
It's us and them to you.

He's a nutcase

So say the loser trolls who have raging little hate boners for a company
that causes them to become so upset that they hang around the Apple news
groups 24/7 telling outright lies claiming iOS updates don't contain
anything useful - even long after they are proven wrong. 🤣

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On 10 Mar 2024 06:48:49 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

This is literally the first paragraph on the page:

You don't understand anything at the adult level of comprehension, JR.

That's generic to the entire release suite.
Look at the SUBJECT of this thread.

It is specifically about iOS 17.4.

What I quoted was specifically what Apple said about iOS 17.4.
"iOS 17.4: This update introduces new emoji..."

What you quoted in your desperate attempt to deflect from the fact you
_hate_ what Apple said about iOS 17.4 was to quote instead, a meaningless cut-and-paste boilerplate that applies to almost all Apple iOS releases.
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On 10 Mar 2024 06:54:46 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

"just a few new emojis"

It's Apple whose advertisements show they think their customer is stupid. https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043

So take your hatred for what Apple advertises to Apple. Not me.
I'm only quoting verbatim exactly what Apple touts for iOS 17.4 updates.
"iOS 17.4: This update introduces new emoji..."

Whenever you see what Apple says is the most important thing in any update, what Apple says first and foremost about that specific update tells you everything you need to know about what Apple thinks of its customer base.
"iOS 17.4: This update introduces new emoji..."

Clearly Apple thinks its customer base is stupid.

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On 10 Mar 2024 06:52:20 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

About iOS 17 Updates

You Apple nut cases are _desperate_ to find an excuse, any excuse, for what
you _hate_ about Apple - which is *Apple thinks its user base is stupid*.

I get it that you don't understand that this thread is NOT about the
generic iOS 17 release, but that it's specifically about iOS 17.4.

That you don't understand that, is a cognitive disability you display that people like Alan Browne and Alan Baker also always display.

No matter how many times you religious nut cases look at the subject line,
you can't see the little teeny tiny ".4" after the dot in iOS 17.

You don't have the cognitive skills to comprehend that this thread isn't
about iOS 17 in general - but that it's about iOS 17.4 in particular.

What I quoted was specifically what Apple said about the iOS 17.4 release.
"iOS 17.4: This update introduces new emoji..."

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On 10 Mar 2024 06:59:24 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

So say the loser trolls who have raging little hate boners for a company
that causes them to become so upset that they hang around the Apple news groups 24/7 telling outright lies claiming iOS updates don't contain
anything useful - even long after they are proven wrong.

All "they" said was they quoted, verbatim, what Apple said.

What's revealing to actual adults is how much you _hate_ what Apple said.
In fact, you hate what Apple said so much you _blame us_ for what Apple
said about the iOS 17.4 release.
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I do.

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On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 03:32:04 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

Whether he washes the socks
after the deeds or rolls around on them in submissive obeisance is beside
the point.

What's interesting (& rather revealing) is how much you _hate_ that people merely stated exactly what Apple said was important about the iOS 17.4
update.

Do you know why you hate the truth about Apple?
I do.

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On 2024-03-10, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:

On 10 Mar 2024 06:52:20 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

About iOS 17 Updates

You Apple nut cases
_desperate_
excuse, any excuse
you _hate_ about Apple
*Apple thinks its user base is stupid*

Juvenile schoolyard insults are literally all you have to offer here.

I get it that you don't understand that this thread is NOT about the
generic iOS 17 release, but that it's specifically about iOS 17.4.

This sub-thread is about the troll claim that iOS 17.4 only contains
emoji updates and nothing else of importance, which is a juvenile troll
at best. And it's the best you losers can come up with.

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On 2024-03-10, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:

On 10 Mar 2024 06:48:49 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

This is literally the first paragraph on the page:

You don't understand anything

Unlike you, I can actually read.

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On 2024-03-10, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:

On 10 Mar 2024 06:54:46 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

"just a few new emojis"

their customer is stupid.

Juvenile insults are all you have.

hatred for what Apple advertises

Projection.

I'm only quoting verbatim exactly what Apple touts for iOS 17.4 updates.
"iOS 17.4: This update introduces new emoji..."

You purposely leave out the rest of that sentence:

"transcripts in Apple Podcasts and includes other features, bug fixes,
and security updates for your iPhone."

Because: troll.

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On 2024-03-10, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:

On 10 Mar 2024 06:59:24 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

So say the loser trolls who have raging little hate boners for a
company that causes them to become so upset that they hang around the
Apple news groups 24/7 telling outright lies claiming iOS updates
don't contain anything useful - even long after they are proven
wrong.

All "they" said was

...that the iOS 17.4 update only had emoji updates and nothing else of importance which is a lie. You and they also claim this is supposedly
evidence of _insert juvenile insults towards Apple customers here_.
Your little troll gang is just a bunch of schoolyard bullies. The fact
that you haven't progressed from the schoolyard insults you sling says
*way* more about you than anyone else here.

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On 2024-03-10, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:

On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 03:32:04 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

Whether he washes the socks after the deeds or rolls around on them
in submissive obeisance is beside the point.

What's interesting (& rather revealing) is how much you _hate_ that
people merely stated exactly what Apple said was important about the
iOS 17.4 update.

The only ones assigning importance to only one of the several updates
Apple mentions while ignoring the others are you juvenile trolls.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 10.03.2024 18:27

Unlike you, I can actually read.

Heh heh heh...

Every time you Apple religious nutjobs have no adult response to the facts,
you resort to your typical childish kindergarten taunts, Jolly Roger.

The fact is you were wrong.
a. *You didn't even _READ_ your own cite*
b. Nor did you UNDERSTAND what the subject of this thread it.
c. You repeatedly disputed what even Apple doesn't dispute.

The biggest deal, according to Apple, of the iOS 17.4 update is....
*E-M-O-J-I*

Which proves, yet again, Apple thinks its own customer is stupid.
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On 10 Mar 2024 22:38:30 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

Juvenile schoolyard insults are literally all you have to offer here.

Actually I'm the one who read your cite and pointed out to you that you
didn't read it because it said, first and foremost, the big deal in the iOS 17.4 update is...... *E-M-O-J-I*

I get it that you don't understand that this thread is NOT about the
generic iOS 17 release, but that it's specifically about iOS 17.4.

This sub-thread is about the troll claim that iOS 17.4 only contains
emoji updates and nothing else of importance, which is a juvenile troll
at best. And it's the best you losers can come up with.

I love when you post, Jolly Roger, because you're the classic Apple
customer who wants _desperately_ to believe Apple puts more than just 18
emoji into their latest iOS 17.4 release....

And yet...

The fact Apple touts the 18 new emoji first and foremost, means that you,
the typical customer of Apple, are whom Apple markets directly to.

As I said, Apple thinks its customer is stupid, which is easily shown to be
the case simply by looking at what Apple touts as NEW!!!!! in each release.

"iOS 17.4: *This update introduces new emoji...*"
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>

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On 2024-03-11, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 10.03.2024 18:27

Unlike you, I can actually read.

The biggest deal, according to Apple, of the iOS 17.4 update is....
*E-M-O-J-I*

You *desperately* _want_ that to be true as part of your little juvenile
"Apple customers are idiots" troll, but the fact is Apple doesn't claim
any of the updates listed are more important than the other.

Apple thinks its own customer is stupid.

Tire, old, trope is tired and old. And you are a juvenile bully in an
adult's body.

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On 2024-03-11, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:

On 10 Mar 2024 22:38:30 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

Juvenile schoolyard insults are literally all you have to offer here.

the big deal in the iOS 17.4 update is...... *E-M-O-J-I*

Apple thinks its customer is stupid

You have the mentality of an eight-year-old schoolyard bully.

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On 2024-03-09 15:04, Sten deJoode wrote:

On 9 Mar 2024 17:31:29 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

You're supposed to skim *past* that and go directly to "emojis"

Idiots.

I don't see what you responded to, but YOUR OWN CITE starts off with
emojis, so for you to claim that it doesn't shows you didn't read it.
On 6 Mar 2024 21:06:17 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website:
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>\

"iOS 17.4
This update introduces new emoji...
Emoji
New mushroom, phoenix, lime, broken chain, and shaking heads emoji
are now available in the emoji keyboard
18 people and body emoji add the option to face them
in either direction"

That you didn't read your own cite shows how ignorant you really are.
People like you are the reason Apple thinks its loyal customers are stupid.

Why must you lie, Arlen?

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Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2024-03-09 15:04, Sten deJoode wrote:

On 9 Mar 2024 17:31:29 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

You're supposed to skim *past* that and go directly to "emojis"

Idiots.

I don't see what you responded to, but YOUR OWN CITE starts off with
emojis, so for you to claim that it doesn't shows you didn't read it.
On 6 Mar 2024 21:06:17 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website:
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>\

"iOS 17.4
This update introduces new emoji...
Emoji
New mushroom, phoenix, lime, broken chain, and shaking heads emoji
are now available in the emoji keyboard
18 people and body emoji add the option to face them
in either direction"

That you didn't read your own cite shows how ignorant you really are.
People like you are the reason Apple thinks its loyal customers are stupid.

Why must you lie, Arlen?

Rampant dishonesty is oxygen to him. Picture Frank Booth huffing rampant dishonesty out of a mask in the movie Blue Velvet. That’s Arlen.

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On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 10:21:29 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

Rampant dishonesty is oxygen to him

And yet, none of you strange Apple religious nutcases read the cite that
Jolly Roger provided which shows first and foremost, for the iOS 17.4
release, Apple touted the emoji that they added as the first item listed.
Jolly Roger wrote:

From Jolly Roger
As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website: <https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>

The first lines of what's in the iOS 17.4 release proves what I said.

"iOS 17.4
This update introduces new emoji...
Emoji
New mushroom, phoenix, lime, broken chain, and shaking heads emoji
are now available in the emoji keyboard
18 people and body emoji add the option to face them
in either direction"

What's no longer shocking is all you Apple religious nut jobs missed that.
Even though it's clearly the first lines of the iOS 17.4 description.

And it's the cite that Jolly Roger provided, which even he didn't read.
None of you strange Apple religious nut cases can fathom what Apple said.

It's because Apple focuses their marketing expressly on people like you.
Stupid people. Kids. Teenagers.

Apple doesn't advertises to intelligent adults.

Apple advertises iOS 17.4, first and foremost, to people who only care
about emoji (which is easily proven by Apple's own iOS 17.4 description).

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On 11 Mar 2024 02:03:59 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

the big deal in the iOS 17.4 update is...... *E-M-O-J-I*

Apple thinks its customer is stupid

You have the mentality of an eight-year-old schoolyard bully.

Heh heh heh ... you attack everyone who says the truth about Apple.
Which is why you're attacking me.

But I've studied you, Jolly Roger.
I understand why you do that.

You _hate_ Apple, don't you Jolly Roger.
You _hate_ that Apple makes such a big deal about emoji, don't you.

You _hate_ that Apple made such a big deal about the "yellow" color too.

I understand your hatred for what Apple advertises, Jolly Roger.
Because Apple's advertisements clearly are aimed at stupid people.

I even understand why you blame me for what Apple advertises.\
But blaming me for Apple's advertisements is placing the blame wrongly.

Blame Apple.

They're the ones who advertised emoji first and foremost for the iOS 17.4 release. Not me.

From Jolly Roger
As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website: <https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>

"iOS 17.4
This update introduces new emoji...
Emoji
New mushroom, phoenix, lime, broken chain, and shaking heads emoji
are now available in the emoji keyboard
18 people and body emoji add the option to face them
in either direction"

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On 2024-03-15, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:

On 11 Mar 2024 02:03:59 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

the big deal in the iOS 17.4 update is...... *E-M-O-J-I*

Apple thinks its customer is stupid

You have the mentality of an eight-year-old schoolyard bully.

Heh heh heh ... you attack

Projection. So predictable.

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On 10 Mar 2024 22:41:34 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

You purposely leave out the rest of that sentence:

I study you Jolly Roger because you strange people are interesting to me,
where you are so _desperate_ to say that Apple didn't do what Apple did,
that you're coming up with excuse after excuse for what Apple really did.

It's Apple who advertised, first and foremost, that the emoji were the big
deal in the iOS 17.4 release - not me, Jolly Roger. You _hate_ that fact.

But the fact you hate facts about Apple doesn't change any of the facts.

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>
"iOS 17.4
This update introduces new emoji...
Emoji
New mushroom, phoenix, lime, broken chain,
and shaking heads emoji
are now available in the emoji keyboard
18 people and body emoji add the option
to face them in either direction"

The fact is moji is first. And emoji is foremost.
Just like I said from the start.

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On 15 Mar 2024 15:56:12 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

Projection. So predictable.

Since I've studied you for years, Jolly Roger, I know that you have no
defense to any adult argument which involves facts about Apple products.

Suffice to say I'm well aware how much you _hate_ Apple advertises emoji
(and the yellow color) to its loyal customer base - but don't blame me.

Blame Apple for advertising to its customer base as if they're stupid.

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On 2024-03-15, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:

On 15 Mar 2024 15:56:12 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

Projection. So predictable.

Apple advertises emoji (and the yellow color) to its loyal customer
base

*YAWN* Still yammering on about nothing. You're fucking boring.

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On 2024-03-15, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:

On 10 Mar 2024 22:41:34 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

You purposely leave out the rest of that sentence:

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>

First paragraph on the page:

"About iOS 17 Updates

iOS 17 brings big updates to Phone, Messages, and FaceTime that give you
new ways to express yourself as you communicate. StandBy delivers a new full-screen experience with glanceable information designed to view from
a distance when you turn iPhone on its side while charging. AirDrop
makes it easier to share and connect with those around you and adds
NameDrop for contact sharing. Enhancements to the keyboard make entering
text faster and easier than ever before. iOS 17 also includes updates to Widgets, Safari, Music, AirPlay, and more."

Your trolls are weak. And you're boring.

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On 15 Mar 2024 22:22:40 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>

First paragraph on the page:

"About iOS 17 Updates

Apple advertisements prove Apple thinks its customer is stupid.

Apple specifically said, first and foremost, iOS 17.4 was about
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>
"iOS 17.4
This update introduces new emoji...
Emoji
New mushroom, phoenix, lime, broken chain,
and shaking heads emoji
are now available in the emoji keyboard
18 people and body emoji add the option
to face them in either direction"

It doesn't help when Apple loudly advertising the yellow color as the only reason to buy the *NEW & IMPROVED iPhone 14*!!!!! (and people fall for it).

Apple's customer is stupid - but Apple isn't stupid.
Apple knows EXACTLY what its customers want, first and foremost.
*EMOJI*

Apple own advertisements easily prove Apple advertises to stupid customers.

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On 2024-03-16, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:

On 15 Mar 2024 22:22:40 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>

First paragraph on the page:

"About iOS 17 Updates

Apple thinks its customer is stupid.

Your only interest is in belittling people.

We're done here.

Fuck off, weak troll.

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On 16 Mar 2024 01:55:02 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

Your only interest is in belittling people.

Heh heh heh... I study you Jolly Roger.

Hence, I understand you, Jolly Roger.
Maybe better than you understand yourself.

*You _hate_ any fact about Apple that shows what Apple truly is*

Such as the fact that Apple advertised, first and foremost, that they added
to iOS 17.4 *NEW EMOJI*

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>
"iOS 17.4 This update introduces new emoji..."

If you want to understand the Apple customer, look at Apple advertisements.

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On 10 Mar 2024 22:46:01 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

The only ones assigning importance to only one of the several updates

This is the link YOU gave us, Jolly Roger, for what Apple advertises first
and foremost is what they added using your hard earned money, into iOS 17.4

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>
"iOS 17.4
This update introduces new emoji...

If you want to understand the Apple customer, simply look at Apple's ads.

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On 10 Mar 2024 22:44:31 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

...that the iOS 17.4 update only had emoji updates and nothing else of importance which is a lie.

Nobody said that. In fact, I didn't even cover the zero-day holes Apple
didn't find, that other people told Apple about, in the iOS 17.4 release.

The only thing I said, which is a fact by the way, and not only is it a
fact, but it's a fact from your own cite (which you didn't even read) is
that Apple marketing (which isn't stupid) said first and foremost that what they added to iOS 17.4 is...

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>
"iOS 17.4
This update introduces new emoji...

And then they went on about all the exiting new emoji they added.

That's just a fact.
You don't like that fact.

But you not liking facts doesn't change that it's still a fact.

Apple marketing knows their customer base better than anyone does, JR.
And what Apple markets to, is a rather stupid customer base, does it not.

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On 15 Mar 2024 22:21:03 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

You're fucking boring.

Heh... heh... heh...

You gave a cite (which you didn't even read).
I read (and understood) that cite.
And I stated a fact about that cite.

You _hate_ that fact.
So you spent, what, 50 posts trying to dispute that fact.

Who does that?
A fact is something everyone who is not a fool agrees on.

You spent fifty posts trying to deny that facts about Apple exist.
And then you claim that your own denials are boring.

The fact is you hate fact about Apple products, Jolly Roger.

> From Jolly Roger
> As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website:
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>

"iOS 17.4
This update introduces new emoji...
Emoji
New mushroom, phoenix, lime, broken chain, and shaking heads emoji
are now available in the emoji keyboard
18 people and body emoji add the option to face them
in either direction"

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