• Re: Apple issues official warning against putting your phone in rice

    From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Feb 13 18:19:21 2024
    badgolferman wrote:
    Apple has warned customers not to chuck their iPhones in rice if they
    get wet.

    Water in your phone can cause all manner of issues, ranging from blurry photos if the moisture is trapped in the camera lens, muffled or no
    audio, an inability to charge or - worst case - a complete lack of functionality.

    And if you’ve ever had the misfortune of dropping your iPhone into
    water, you may have assumed the best thing to do is put it in a bowl of uncooked rice to help dry it out.

    However, Apple actually strongly warns against this and says lashing
    your phone in rice to dry out could do more harm than good.

    If your phone does get wet, your iPhone may flash up with a
    liquid-detection alert, which means that the device has detected liquid
    in the lightning or USB-C connector, or on the cable or accessory
    itself.

    To protect your phone from damage, you won’t be able to use the
    accessory or charge the phone until the connector, cable and accessory
    are dry.

    On its website, Apple warns: “If you charge your iPhone while the
    Lightning or USB-C connector is wet, the pins on the connector or cable
    can corrode and cause permanent damage or stop functioning, causing connectivity issues for your iPhone or accessory.”

    Not ideal, right?

    So what should you do? Well, firstly, resist the urge to dig out a bag
    of rice from your cupboard as Apple says this could make matters worse.

    “Don't put your iPhone in a bag of rice,” Apple’s website states. “Doing so could allow small particles of rice to damage your iPhone.”

    It also tells customers not to attempt drying their iPhone using an
    external heat source or compressed air; and not to insert a foreign
    object, such as a cotton bud or a paper towel, into the connector.

    Instead, Apple recommends that you tap your iPhone gently against your
    hand with the connector facing down to remove excess liquid.

    You should then leave your iPhone in a dry area with some airflow for
    at least half an hour before trying to use the charger or connecting accessory.

    If the same warning flashes up, place your iPhone back in a dry place
    with some airflow. Apple notes that it can take up to 24-hours to fully
    dry out.

    If you follow the above advice, your iPhone should dry out and normal functionality should soon return.


    https://www.ladbible.com/news/technology/apple-iphone-warning-wet-rice-148662-20240211


    I thought iphones were waterproof down to a certain
    level/pressure. I must have misunderstood, or maybe it was just
    sales propaganda.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Tue Feb 13 17:36:19 2024
    On 2024-02-13 16:19, Hank Rogers wrote:
    badgolferman wrote:
    Apple has warned customers not to chuck their iPhones in rice if they
    get wet.

    Water in your phone can cause all manner of issues, ranging from blurry
    photos if the moisture is trapped in the camera lens, muffled or no
    audio, an inability to charge or - worst case - a complete lack of
    functionality.

    And if you’ve ever had the misfortune of dropping your iPhone into
    water, you may have assumed the best thing to do is put it in a bowl of
    uncooked rice to help dry it out.

    However, Apple actually strongly warns against this and says lashing
    your phone in rice to dry out could do more harm than good.

    If your phone does get wet, your iPhone may flash up with a
    liquid-detection alert, which means that the device has detected liquid
    in the lightning or USB-C connector, or on the cable or accessory
    itself.

    To protect your phone from damage, you won’t be able to use the
    accessory or charge the phone until the connector, cable and accessory
    are dry.

    On its website, Apple warns: “If you charge your iPhone while the
    Lightning or USB-C connector is wet, the pins on the connector or cable
    can corrode and cause permanent damage or stop functioning, causing
    connectivity issues for your iPhone or accessory.”

    Not ideal, right?

    So what should you do? Well, firstly, resist the urge to dig out a bag
    of rice from your cupboard as Apple says this could make matters worse.

    “Don't put your iPhone in a bag of rice,” Apple’s website states.
    “Doing so could allow small particles of rice to damage your iPhone.”

    It also tells customers not to attempt drying their iPhone using an
    external heat source or compressed air; and not to insert a foreign
    object, such as a cotton bud or a paper towel, into the connector.

    Instead, Apple recommends that you tap your iPhone gently against your
    hand with the connector facing down to remove excess liquid.

    You should then leave your iPhone in a dry area with some airflow for
    at least half an hour before trying to use the charger or connecting
    accessory.

    If the same warning flashes up, place your iPhone back in a dry place
    with some airflow. Apple notes that it can take up to 24-hours to fully
    dry out.

    If you follow the above advice, your iPhone should dry out and normal
    functionality should soon return.


    https://www.ladbible.com/news/technology/apple-iphone-warning-wet-rice-148662-20240211


    I thought iphones were waterproof down to a certain level/pressure. I
    must have misunderstood, or maybe it was just sales propaganda.


    How does the one contradict the other?

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  • From John Gardner@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Wed Feb 14 02:06:59 2024
    Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    I thought iphones were waterproof down to a certain
    level/pressure. I must have misunderstood, or maybe it was just
    sales propaganda.



    The time I dropped my phone into the pool leads me to believe they are.
    Your mileage may vary depending on how old the phone is (and how shonky was
    the battery replacement you may have had.)

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Gardner on Wed Feb 14 17:46:11 2024
    On 2024-02-14 02:06:59 +0000, John Gardner said:
    Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    I thought iphones were waterproof down to a certain
    level/pressure. I must have misunderstood, or maybe it was just
    sales propaganda.

    The time I dropped my phone into the pool leads me to believe they are.
    Your mileage may vary depending on how old the phone is (and how shonky was the battery replacement you may have had.)

    The iPhone is water resistant, but that doesn't mean the connector (or
    even the insides) can't get wet. You simply have to make sure it's
    completely dry before using it again.

    Same with pretty much every other water resistant device on the planet.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Wed Feb 14 08:39:03 2024
    On 2024-02-13 19:19, Hank Rogers wrote:


    https://www.ladbible.com/news/technology/apple-iphone-warning-wet-rice-148662-20240211


    I thought iphones were waterproof down to a certain level/pressure. I

    Apple claim water resistant per various IP ratings (depending on model/
    year).

    must have misunderstood, or maybe it was just sales propaganda.

    You certainly confused "water resistant" with "water proof".

    Independent tests show various iPhones exceeding their IP rating by a
    wide margin to the point where - for brief immersions (hours) they could
    be considered water proof. Many of these tests put the iPhones at
    deeper depths for longer than 30 minutes. iPhones come out fine with
    the exception of the speakers sounding muddled until they completely dry
    out.

    But the issue above seems to be on the exposed metal parts (connector)
    which could still have water in them and that should be dry before
    charging (insert whatever the current version of "duh" is). And the
    iPhones go so far as to warn the user. Neat!

    IOW : The whole post is a nothing burger from a nothing burger poster.

    --
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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Wed Feb 14 15:58:05 2024
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2024-02-13 19:19, Hank Rogers wrote:


    https://www.ladbible.com/news/technology/apple-iphone-warning-wet-rice-148662-20240211


    I thought iphones were waterproof down to a certain level/pressure. I

    Apple claim water resistant per various IP ratings (depending on model/ year).

    must have misunderstood, or maybe it was just sales propaganda.

    You certainly confused "water resistant" with "water proof".

    Independent tests show various iPhones exceeding their IP rating by a
    wide margin to the point where - for brief immersions (hours) they could
    be considered water proof. Many of these tests put the iPhones at
    deeper depths for longer than 30 minutes. iPhones come out fine with
    the exception of the speakers sounding muddled until they completely dry
    out.

    But the issue above seems to be on the exposed metal parts (connector)
    which could still have water in them and that should be dry before
    charging (insert whatever the current version of "duh" is). And the
    iPhones go so far as to warn the user. Neat!

    IOW : The whole post is a nothing burger from a nothing burger poster.

    I’ve managed to not immerse my iPhone so far.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed Feb 14 07:20:36 2024
    On 2024-02-14 03:40, badgolferman wrote:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2024-02-14 02:06:59 +0000, John Gardner said:
    Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    I thought iphones were waterproof down to a certain
    level/pressure. I must have misunderstood, or maybe it was just
    sales propaganda.

    The time I dropped my phone into the pool leads me to believe they are.
    Your mileage may vary depending on how old the phone is (and how shonky was >>> the battery replacement you may have had.)

    The iPhone is water resistant, but that doesn't mean the connector (or
    even the insides) can't get wet. You simply have to make sure it's
    completely dry before using it again.

    Same with pretty much every other water resistant device on the planet.



    Given that IP68 rating means they can be submerged in 6 meters of water for 30 minutes and still survive, how do the insides get wet?

    Given that you're completely out to lunch on what the IP68 rating means...

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed Feb 14 10:24:01 2024
    On 2/14/2024 3:40 AM, badgolferman wrote:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2024-02-14 02:06:59 +0000, John Gardner said:
    Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    I thought iphones were waterproof down to a certain
    level/pressure. I must have misunderstood, or maybe it was just
    sales propaganda.

    The time I dropped my phone into the pool leads me to believe they are.
    Your mileage may vary depending on how old the phone is (and how shonky was >>> the battery replacement you may have had.)

    The iPhone is water resistant, but that doesn't mean the connector (or
    even the insides) can't get wet. You simply have to make sure it's
    completely dry before using it again.

    Same with pretty much every other water resistant device on the planet.



    Given that IP68 rating means they can be submerged in 6 meters of water for 30 minutes and still survive, how do the insides get wet?

    My wife's IP68 rated Moto X4 fell in the pool once while she was
    gardening. I dove in an retrieved it after about one minute. It was fine.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 14 13:48:46 2024
    On 2024-02-14 10:58, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2024-02-13 19:19, Hank Rogers wrote:


    https://www.ladbible.com/news/technology/apple-iphone-warning-wet-rice-148662-20240211


    I thought iphones were waterproof down to a certain level/pressure. I

    Apple claim water resistant per various IP ratings (depending on model/
    year).

    must have misunderstood, or maybe it was just sales propaganda.

    You certainly confused "water resistant" with "water proof".

    Independent tests show various iPhones exceeding their IP rating by a
    wide margin to the point where - for brief immersions (hours) they could
    be considered water proof. Many of these tests put the iPhones at
    deeper depths for longer than 30 minutes. iPhones come out fine with
    the exception of the speakers sounding muddled until they completely dry
    out.

    But the issue above seems to be on the exposed metal parts (connector)
    which could still have water in them and that should be dry before
    charging (insert whatever the current version of "duh" is). And the
    iPhones go so far as to warn the user. Neat!

    IOW : The whole post is a nothing burger from a nothing burger poster.

    I’ve managed to not immerse my iPhone so far.

    Likewise, but it's a possible accident, esp. around the pool, so nice to
    know these phones (and Watches) provide a very good margin of protection.

    --
    “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
    - John Maynard Keynes.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed Feb 14 19:46:13 2024
    On 2024-02-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2024-02-14 02:06:59 +0000, John Gardner said:
    Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    I thought iphones were waterproof down to a certain level/pressure.
    I must have misunderstood, or maybe it was just sales propaganda.

    The time I dropped my phone into the pool leads me to believe they
    are. Your mileage may vary depending on how old the phone is (and
    how shonky was the battery replacement you may have had.)

    The iPhone is water resistant, but that doesn't mean the connector
    (or even the insides) can't get wet. You simply have to make sure
    it's completely dry before using it again.

    Same with pretty much every other water resistant device on the
    planet.

    Given that IP68 rating means they can be submerged in 6 meters of
    water for 30 minutes and still survive, how do the insides get wet?

    The standard common sense boilerplate naturally applies:

    "Splash, water, and dust resistance are not permanent conditions and
    resistance might decrease as a result of normal wear."

    Apple's recommendations:

    To prevent liquid damage, avoid:

    - Swimming or bathing with your iPhone

    - Exposing your iPhone to pressurized water or high velocity water, such
    as when showering, water skiing, wake boarding, surfing, jet skiing,
    and so on

    - Using your iPhone in a sauna or steam room

    - Intentionally submerging your iPhone in water

    - Operating your iPhone outside the suggested temperature ranges or in
    extremely humid conditions

    - Dropping your iPhone or subjecting it to other impacts

    - Disassembling your iPhone, including removing screws

    Minimize exposing your iPhone to soap, detergent, acids or acidic foods,
    and any liquids — for example, perfume, insect repellent, lotions,
    sunscreen, oil, adhesive remover, hair dye, and solvents. If your iPhone
    comes into contact with any of these substances, follow the instructions
    to clean your iPhone.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to sms on Wed Feb 14 14:21:49 2024
    On 2024-02-14 14:17, sms wrote:
    On 2/14/2024 10:48 AM, badgolferman wrote:

    <snip>

    I'm sure you're right, but I was responding to Your Name's claim that
    even the insides can get wet.

    Sorry, I don't see his posts. But no, the insides don't get wet on an
    IP68 phone, at least they are not supposed to.


    But the contacts in the ports most certainly do.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed Feb 14 14:17:51 2024
    On 2/14/2024 10:48 AM, badgolferman wrote:

    <snip>

    I'm sure you're right, but I was responding to Your Name's claim that
    even the insides can get wet.

    Sorry, I don't see his posts. But no, the insides don't get wet on an
    IP68 phone, at least they are not supposed to.

    --
    “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to sms on Wed Feb 14 17:08:36 2024
    sms wrote:
    On 2/14/2024 10:48 AM, badgolferman wrote:

    <snip>

    I'm sure you're right, but I was responding to Your Name's
    claim that
    even the insides can get wet.

    Sorry, I don't see his posts. But no, the insides don't get wet
    on an IP68 phone, at least they are not supposed to.


    Just wait a while, and allen brown or jughead lorenz will be
    here to set you strait.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Sat Feb 17 04:11:41 2024
    Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    sms wrote:
    On 2/14/2024 10:48 AM, badgolferman wrote:

    <snip>

    I'm sure you're right, but I was responding to Your Name's
    claim that
    even the insides can get wet.

    Sorry, I don't see his posts. But no, the insides don't get wet
    on an IP68 phone, at least they are not supposed to.


    Just wait a while, and allen brown or jughead lorenz will be
    here to set you strait.

    Dire Strait? You are sad: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/set%2Fput%20someone%20straight

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to sms on Sat Feb 17 18:52:16 2024
    sms wrote:
    On 2/14/2024 10:48 AM, badgolferman wrote:

    <snip>

    I'm sure you're right, but I was responding to Your Name's
    claim that even the insides can get wet.

    Sorry, I don't see his posts. But no, the insides don't get wet
    on an IP68 phone, at least they are not supposed to.

    They're not supposed to, but they can. Things like deteriorating seals,
    tiny cracks, etc. means it is possible for water inside ... which is
    all I said: "can get wet". But then some fool always has to chime in
    trying to make themselves look clever when they haven't even bothered
    to read what I actually wrote, just what they *thought* I wrote. :-\

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