• [NEWS] Beeper Mini developer gives up

    From Your Name@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 29 18:25:29 2024
    Non-surprise of the millennium. :-\
    The only surprise is that Apple didn't sue the fool into complete bankruptcy.



    Beeper Mini Throws in the Towel
    -------------------------------
    It's moving on to its "mission beyond iMesage."

    Beeper appears to have officially given up on the cat-and-mouse
    game it's been engaged in with Apple to try and provide a
    seamless iMessage solution for Android users following a final
    death blow by Apple earlier this month.

    Although Beeper's multi-platform message service has been
    around for a few years, it raised the ire of Apple when it
    found a loophole last fall that allowed it to register Android
    devices as clients with Apple's iMessage servers. From this
    discovery, a new app, Beeper Mini, was born.

    Technically speaking, Beeper reverse-engineered the iMessage
    protocol, figuring out how an iPhone legitimately connects to
    Apple's servers and then applying that same technique to allow
    Android devices to get on board by pretending to be iPhones.

    In its original form, Beeper Mini worked brilliantly well,
    allowing an Android device's phone number to be registered as an
    iMessage address and letting Android users participate as full
    "blue-bubble" participants in iMessage conversations.

    As clever as it was, Apple was decidedly not impressed with
    Beeper's stunt. It took less than three days for Apple to pull
    the plug and block these phone number registrations from its
    servers. After all, it probably wasn't too hard for Apple to
    figure out that the devices registering with its servers
    weren't actually iPhones.

    Nevertheless, Beeper Mini continued to function by having users
    switch over to using Apple IDs and communicating with an email
    address instead of a phone number. That was a bit more fiddly
    and less seamless, but it got the job done, and Android users
    could keep chatting away with their iPhone counterparts for
    another few days before Apple got wise to the new technique and
    blocked that, too.

    As a result, Beeper was forced to switch back to a method
    similar to what it debuted three years ago, relying on a Mac to
    act as an intermediary of sorts. However, unlike the original
    Beeper, which used the Mac (or a jailbroken iPhone) as a relay,
    Beeper figured out a way to "clone" the registration information
    from a Mac.

    This allowed Beeper Mini to continue connecting directly to
    Apple's iMessage servers rather than relying on the Mac to
    exchange messages on its behalf. Beeper Mini basically reused
    the registration token created by a legitimate connection from a
    Mac to Apple's iMessage services. Since Messages for macOS is an
    authorized iMessage client made by Apple, presumably, Apple
    wouldn't detect it as invalid and block it.

    Or so Beeper thought.

    It turns out that Apple figured out what was going on and, in
    something of a "scorched earth" approach, began blocking Macs
    that were being used as proxies for Beeper Mini.

    It's not entirely clear how Apple was doing this, but it doesn't
    appear to have specifically been a punitive move. The Apple IDs
    used on those Macs weren't blocked from iMessage, as it continued
    to work fine on the iPhone and iPad and even on other Macs that
    didn't have the Beeper app installed. Since every device that
    accesses iMessage gets a unique registration token, Apple was
    likely detecting the same token being used by more than one
    device and blocking it entirely. The Macs were merely collateral
    damage in this case.

    While the problem doesn't appear to have affected every Beeper
    Mini user, the company has clearly decided this is no longer a
    battle worth fighting. Today, the company announced that it's
    removing the Beeper Mini app from the Google Play Store and will
    no longer provide support or troubleshooting.

    Instead, the company is moving to its "mission beyond iMessage"
    - to build "a universal, multi-network chat app." Folks
    successfully using Beeper Mini can continue to do so, but when
    and if it stops or if they have any other problems, they'll be
    on their own.

    If iMessage currently works for you in Beeper Cloud today, that's
    great! But please be aware that we no longer provide support or
    troubleshooting for any iMessage-related issues. If it doesn't
    work, we're truly sorry - at this time we've done what we can
    (especially given that Beeper is a free app).

    Beeper also added that it's open-sourced its iMessage bridge "for
    those who would like to continue the fight" and says it may even
    revisit the project in the future. Ultimately, it hopes that
    Apple will be "forced to see the light" by regulators, but that's
    a grey area at best since iMessage is hardly the only messaging
    platform available on the iPhone, and it's not even the most
    popular one, at least outside of the US. It's far more likely
    that Apple's implementation of RCS later this year will appease
    antitrust concerns by providing equal footing for a more modern
    open standard.


    <https://www.idropnews.com/news/beeper-mini-throws-in-the-towel/206603/>

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Your Name on Mon Jan 29 18:30:10 2024
    On 2024-01-29 05:25:29 +0000, Your Name said:

    Non-surprise of the millennium. :-\
    The only surprise is that Apple didn't sue the fool into complete bankruptcy.



    Beeper Mini Throws in the Towel
    -------------------------------
    It's moving on to its "mission beyond iMesage."

    Beeper appears to have officially given up on the cat-and-mouse
    game it's been engaged in with Apple to try and provide a
    seamless iMessage solution for Android users following a final
    death blow by Apple earlier this month.
    <snip>

    ... Ultimately, it hopes that Apple will be "forced to see the
    light" by regulators, but that's a grey area at best since
    iMessage is hardly the only messaging platform available on the
    iPhone, and it's not even the most popular one, at least outside
    of the US. It's far more likely that Apple's implementation of
    RCS later this year will appease antitrust concerns by providing
    equal footing for a more modern open standard.

    Since when is having a propritery format for your app's data an
    "antiturst" problem??

    If the lawmakers are going down that moronically stupid route, then
    almost every developer around is going to have legal problems, as well
    us as having less secure apps. Forget a secure password manager (for
    example) because everyone else is going to "have to" be allowed to
    access the data format. :-\

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  • From Nick Charles@21:1/5 to Your Name on Mon Jan 29 10:01:43 2024
    On 1/29/2024 12:30 AM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2024-01-29 05:25:29 +0000, Your Name said:

    Non-surprise of the millennium.  :-\
    The only surprise is that Apple didn't sue the fool into complete
    bankruptcy.



        Beeper Mini Throws in the Towel
        -------------------------------
        It's moving on to its "mission beyond iMesage."

        Beeper appears to have officially given up on the cat-and-mouse
        game it's been engaged in with Apple to try and provide a
        seamless iMessage solution for Android users following a final
        death blow by Apple earlier this month.
    <snip>

        ... Ultimately, it hopes that Apple will be "forced to see the
        light" by regulators, but that's a grey area at best since
        iMessage is hardly the only messaging platform available on the
        iPhone, and it's not even the most popular one, at least outside
        of the US. It's far more likely that Apple's implementation of
        RCS later this year will appease antitrust concerns by providing
        equal footing for a more modern open standard.

    Since when is having a propritery format for your app's data an
    "antiturst" problem??

    If the lawmakers are going down that moronically stupid route, then
    almost every developer around is going to have legal problems, as well
    us as having less secure apps. Forget a secure password manager (for
    example) because everyone else is going to "have to" be allowed to
    access the data format.  :-\

    This is NOT an antitrust issue. Al of this stems from the mistaken
    belief - first spouted by the moron in charge of Epic Games - that Apple
    is a "monopoly".

    You CAN'T have a "monopoly" on your own product. That's not how it
    works. Monopolies exist in markets, not products. The market here is
    phones. There are PLENTY of choices besides Apple. If Apple had 95%
    of the phone market, THEN these fools would have a point. Apple has
    around 25% of the global market.

    Why don't we force Toyota to "see the light" and allow me to buy a Camry
    with a Honda engine? Toyota has a "monopoly" on Camrys!

    See how ridiculous that sounds?

    Apple does not owe anyone anything. If you want to make money from
    Apple's products, then you follow Apple's rules. If you want to use
    iMessage, then get an iPhone/iPad/Mac.

    If you don't like the rules then too bad. You are free to not support
    Apple. No one is forcing you to support Apple. No one is forcing you
    buy an iPhone. No one is forcing you to buy a Toyota.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Nick Charles on Mon Jan 29 17:18:10 2024
    On 2024-01-29, Nick Charles <the.thin@man> wrote:
    On 1/29/2024 12:30 AM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2024-01-29 05:25:29 +0000, Your Name said:

    Non-surprise of the millennium.  :-\
    The only surprise is that Apple didn't sue the fool into complete
    bankruptcy.

        Beeper Mini Throws in the Towel
        -------------------------------
        It's moving on to its "mission beyond iMesage."

        Beeper appears to have officially given up on the cat-and-mouse
        game it's been engaged in with Apple to try and provide a
        seamless iMessage solution for Android users following a final
        death blow by Apple earlier this month.
    <snip>

        ... Ultimately, it hopes that Apple will be "forced to see the
        light" by regulators, but that's a grey area at best since
        iMessage is hardly the only messaging platform available on the
        iPhone, and it's not even the most popular one, at least outside
        of the US. It's far more likely that Apple's implementation of
        RCS later this year will appease antitrust concerns by providing
        equal footing for a more modern open standard.

    Since when is having a propritery format for your app's data an
    "antiturst" problem??

    If the lawmakers are going down that moronically stupid route, then
    almost every developer around is going to have legal problems, as well
    us as having less secure apps. Forget a secure password manager (for
    example) because everyone else is going to "have to" be allowed to
    access the data format.  :-\

    This is NOT an antitrust issue. Al of this stems from the mistaken
    belief - first spouted by the moron in charge of Epic Games - that Apple
    is a "monopoly".

    You CAN'T have a "monopoly" on your own product. That's not how it
    works. Monopolies exist in markets, not products. The market here is phones. There are PLENTY of choices besides Apple. If Apple had 95%
    of the phone market, THEN these fools would have a point. Apple has
    around 25% of the global market.

    Why don't we force Toyota to "see the light" and allow me to buy a Camry
    with a Honda engine? Toyota has a "monopoly" on Camrys!

    See how ridiculous that sounds?

    Apple does not owe anyone anything. If you want to make money from
    Apple's products, then you follow Apple's rules. If you want to use iMessage, then get an iPhone/iPad/Mac.

    If you don't like the rules then too bad. You are free to not support
    Apple. No one is forcing you to support Apple. No one is forcing you
    buy an iPhone. No one is forcing you to buy a Toyota.

    That pretty much sums it up. These people think Apple owes them
    something, or they simply want to see Apple hurt in some way. It's lame.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Sten deJoode@21:1/5 to Nick Charles on Mon Jan 29 15:39:12 2024
    On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 10:01:43 -0500, Nick Charles wrote:

    Apple does not owe anyone anything. If you want to make money from
    Apple's products, then you follow Apple's rules. If you want to use iMessage, then get an iPhone/iPad/Mac.

    You're missing the whole point. Nobody wants the iPhone/iPad/Mac.
    They want the Apple Internet Server (and the customers it reaches).

    If people find a legal way to use that server, then Apple can only stop
    them by legal means, where an example is Google puts out a YouTube server
    and there are plenty of apps which access youtube videos for free.

    Those apps do things that the consumer wants them to do, which the official YouTube app doesn't do (like watch videos without ads & downloading them).

    Beeper had found a way to access Apple's servers legally, which is why
    Apple won't/can't sue them any more than Google won't/can't sue the youtube downloaders or the youtube clones which do what the people want them to do.

    If Google/Apple could have sued, they would have. They didn't. They won't. (They can sue, but they know they'd lose, so they won't.)

    In the end, it proved there are always huge holes in Apple's protocols,
    but this hole Apple plugged after only a month or two which is quick for
    Apple who usually leaves untested holes for years (as Google proved).

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  • From Sten deJoode@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Mon Jan 29 15:37:44 2024
    On 29 Jan 2024 17:18:10 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    That pretty much sums it up. These people think Apple owes them
    something, or they simply want to see Apple hurt in some way. It's lame.

    Apple put a server on the Internet just like every other company does.
    What Beeper proved is what Google had proved - which is Apple QA stinks.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Sten deJoode on Mon Jan 29 13:33:14 2024
    On 2024-01-29 12:37, Sten deJoode wrote:
    On 29 Jan 2024 17:18:10 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    That pretty much sums it up. These people think Apple owes them
    something, or they simply want to see Apple hurt in some way. It's lame.

    Apple put a server on the Internet just like every other company does.
    What Beeper proved is what Google had proved - which is Apple QA stinks.

    Whatever...

    ...Arlen.

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  • From Bernd Froehlich@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 30 07:11:03 2024
    On 29. Jan 2024 at 21:37:44 CET, "Sten deJoode" <StendeJood@nospam.net>
    wrote:

    Apple put a server on the Internet just like every other company does.

    Just like any bank does...

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