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    From Wally J@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 17 17:02:15 2023
    Apple "says" they care about consumer safety but what Apple says and what
    Apple "does" are two completely different things with respect to FM radio.

    *FM radio chips make sense from a public safety aspect alone*
    <https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/fm-radio-in-smartphones/>

    The National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) has been asking mobile manufacturers to allow cellphone owners the safety of FM radio for years.
    "'From a public safety aspect alone, it makes sense to enable radio
    on smartphones. Broadcast radio plays an important role as first
    informers in local communities, providing up-to-the-minute information
    when disaster strikes,' said Dennis Wharton, an executive vice president
    with the NAB. 'By equipping mobile devices with radio capability,
    wireless carriers allow Americans to tap into that valuable public
    resource.'"

    Even the FCC agrees with the NAB.
    "Digital Trends reached out to the Federal Communications Commission,
    which promptly pointed us to a speech chairman Ajit Pai gave at a
    North American Broadcasters Association event. At the event, Pai
    largely agreed with the NAB's position, noting how important the
    radio could be in emergencies. 'You could make a case for activating
    chips on public safety grounds alone. Most consumers would love to
    access some of their favorite content over-the-air, while using
    one-sixth of the battery life and less data,' continued Pai."

    So why doesn't Apple allow consumers basic safety measures on the phone?
    "Apple's not going to change its mind anytime soon. Recently, the
    company was urged to enable the FM radio on the iPhone after a
    horrific hurricane and fire season. Again, things boil down to why
    Apple may not want consumers to use the radio, and again, a possible
    culprit is music streaming.

    Apple Music has become popular, and the company may not want to
    jeopardize subscriptions with free radio."

    That article, from 2017, predicted that FM radio use would increase.
    "The tides seem to be changing. More manufacturers are adopting FM radio,
    and some carriers even encourage it. But there are holdouts - Apple
    being the biggest.

    If you want an FM radio, you may need to make the switch to Android.

    As far as disasters are concerned, it certainly can't hurt to have
    a battery-powered radio in your arsenal."

    In summary, Apple only "says" they care about consumer safety as what Apple does in the case of FM radio is the exact opposite of what Apple says.
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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Your Name on Fri Nov 17 17:23:38 2023
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote

    My second motorola phone did not mention FM radio, but when I initially
    cloned it over from my previous phone, the FM radio app was installed
    and actually works.

    The FM radio app on my mother's previous Samsung phone only works if
    you plug in wired ear / headphones because it uses the wire as the
    antenna. Her current Samsung phone doesn't have a headphone jack, but I
    don't know if it still has the FM radio app (she hasn't and wouldn't
    ever use it anyway) - I would guess not.

    Only new Apple phones, as a brand, prevent emergency radio safety.

    Despite Apple's ads about caring for consumer safety, the real reason Apple doesn't allow its users basic safety is said to be their streaming revenue
    (at least according to this article which came out when Apple removed this important basic emergency safety feature from all new iPhones since then).

    *FM radio chips make sense from a public safety aspect alone*
    <https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/fm-radio-in-smartphones/>

    So if you own an iPhone, Apple's claim they care about your safety with
    their satellite SOS is proven to be a lie by their lack of emergency radio.
    <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/LXHBEnnISyA>

    Luckily, if you want the safety of an emergency radio, Android has it.

    You can check if a phone has the emergency radio at the versus site, e.g.,
    <https://versus.com/en/google-pixel/radio>
    Which says 56% of Android phones have the FM radio as of today's report.

    Here are the results for my free Samsung Galaxy A32-54G, for example:
    <https://i.postimg.cc/5NSxqRHj/fmradio02.jpg> 56% Androids have the FM IC

    BTW, recently I ran a search to show Alan Baker and Arno Welzel that their absurd claims were completely wrong in terms of which phones have radios.
    <https://versus.com/en/samsung-galaxy-a32-5g/radio>

    The result said most Android phones today come not only with the aux slot
    but also an FM IC (both of which are required to use the emergency radio).

    For Samsung alone (which the iKooks & Arno claimed had no aux jacks)...

    *There are 58 recent (2021 to current) Samsung models with the 3.5mm jack*
    <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2021&chk35mm=selected&sMakers=9&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>

    *There are 26 recent (2022 to current) Samsung models with the 3.5mm jack*
    <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2022&chk35mm=selected&sMakers=9&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>

    In summary, as a brand, only Apple denies the consumer the choice of buying
    a new phone that has this basic industry standard consumer safety feature.
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    What Apple says it does is quite different from what Apple actually does.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Wally J on Fri Nov 17 14:56:26 2023
    On 2023-11-17 13:02, Wally J wrote:
    Apple "says" they care about consumer safety but what Apple says and what Apple "does" are two completely different things with respect to FM radio.


    The "industry standard antenna port"?

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Carlos E. R. on Fri Nov 17 19:18:54 2023
    "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

    The result said most Android phones today come not only with the aux slot
    but also an FM IC (both of which are required to use the emergency radio).

    I have the suspicion that the radio could be re-designed to use the
    screen wire on the USB cable instead of the screen wire on the audio jack.

    Hi Carlos,

    I will agree with anyone who makes a sensible logical assessment, where I'd agree with you if they 'wanted' to add an FM antenna, they probably could.

    You make sense where the article I quoted suggested the real reason Apple doesn't have this consumer safety feature is the risk to streaming revenue.

    The article also suggested that the carriers want to protect data revenue,
    but nowadays, for most carriers in the USA, that doesn't seem to be a cost.

    As to your astute point, certainly they could re-design the phone to add
    the capability for "one more antenna" (even as an FM antenna is long).
    <https://gegcalculators.com/fm-transmitter-antenna-length-calculator/>

    BTW, as a basic emergency safety feature, most Androids have the aux jack, where the iKooks and Arno Welzel are unaware "most" here means 75% of them!

    1,907 Androids offered for sale since 2019 have the required AUX jack.
    <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
    Which is 75% of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale.
    <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>

    It's amazing how wrong Arno & the iKooks are when it's 3/4 of all models!

    As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio emergency feature.
    <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>

    Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the standard jack.
    <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>

    Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important portable memory slot.
    <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>

    And the 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5% unfortunately.
    <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>

    Ion summary, I agree with you that they "could" have probably designed the phone to use something else than the industry standard aux port, but the
    good news is that half of all Androids already have FM _and_ the aux port.

    Even better, 3/4ths of all Android phones today have the aux port itself.

    Which is why it's a strange thing when you hear only the iKooks (and Arno) claiming that the aux jack at 3/4 and the sdslot at almost the same
    percentage is gone. It's not. They're all just ignorant of the facts.
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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sat Nov 18 01:47:01 2023
    On 2023-11-17, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
    Apple "says" they care about consumer safety but what Apple says and what Apple "does" are two completely different things with respect to FM radio.

    *FM radio chips make sense from a public safety aspect alone* <https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/fm-radio-in-smartphones/>

    The National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) has been asking mobile manufacturers to allow cellphone owners the safety of FM radio for years.
    i
    Imagine harboring such an irrational hatred of Apple that you find
    yourself simping for ...FM radio stations... 🤣 You can't make this shit
    up, folks! 🤡

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sat Nov 18 01:54:04 2023
    On 2023-11-17, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
    Apple "says" they care about consumer safety but what Apple says and what Apple "does" are two completely different things with respect to FM radio.

    *FM radio chips make sense from a public safety aspect alone* <https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/fm-radio-in-smartphones/>

    Summary: Arlen is so triggered by the fact that Apple is offering its
    awesome SOS via satellite service for free that he is digging around for articles from 2017 about ancient FM radio in a feeble attempt to paint
    Apple as supposedly "not caring about customer safety". You can't make
    this shit up, folks. Arlen *really* wants to convince you that FM radio
    with its limited range and questionable emergency services is somehow
    *safer* than SOS satellite technology. 🤣 What a fucking loser!

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sat Nov 18 01:53:36 2023
    On 2023-11-17, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote

    My second motorola phone did not mention FM radio, but when I
    initially cloned it over from my previous phone, the FM radio app
    was installed and actually works.

    The FM radio app on my mother's previous Samsung phone only works if
    you plug in wired ear / headphones because it uses the wire as the
    antenna. Her current Samsung phone doesn't have a headphone jack, but
    I don't know if it still has the FM radio app (she hasn't and
    wouldn't ever use it anyway) - I would guess not.

    Only new Apple phones, as a brand, prevent emergency radio safety.

    Summary: Arlen is so triggered by the fact that Apple is offering its
    awesome SOS via satellite service for free that he is digging around for articles from 2017 about ancient FM radio in a feeble attempt to paint
    Apple as supposedly "not caring about customer safety". You can't make
    this shit up, folks. Arlen *really* wants to convince you that FM radio
    with its limited range and questionable emergency services is somehow
    *safer* than SOS satellite technology. 🤣 What a fucking loser!

    --
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    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sat Nov 18 09:56:38 2023
    On 2023-11-17 20:47, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-11-17, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
    Apple "says" they care about consumer safety but what Apple says and what
    Apple "does" are two completely different things with respect to FM radio. >>
    *FM radio chips make sense from a public safety aspect alone*
    <https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/fm-radio-in-smartphones/>

    The National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) has been asking mobile
    manufacturers to allow cellphone owners the safety of FM radio for years.
    i
    Imagine harboring such an irrational hatred of Apple that you find
    yourself simping for ...FM radio stations... 🤣 You can't make this shit up, folks! 🤡

    Radio is an area that preppers are keen about. And a keen prepper would
    make sure he has a standalone radio that receives at least AM/FM if not
    a much wider range of bands. Such radios are often hand crankable to
    charge the battery. The whole notion of this in a cell phone is not
    fringe, but close to it.

    Short version: if it's safety critical - get a dedicated radio.

    In the meantime, most popular FM (and AM) stations here (and most
    everywhere) stream their content if that is really what one wants.

    Personally haven't listened to AM/FM in decades except to test a radio out.

    --
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    - John Maynard Keynes.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sat Nov 18 17:37:46 2023
    On 17.11.23 22:02, Wally J wrote:
    Apple "does" are two completely different things with respect to FM radio.

    Will be turned off in Europe anyway quite soon.
    Super old technology. *ROTFLSTC*.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to hugybear@gmx.net on Sat Nov 18 18:31:31 2023
    Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
    On 17.11.23 22:02, Wally J wrote:
    Apple "does" are two completely different things with respect to FM radio.

    Will be turned off in Europe anyway quite soon.
    Super old technology. *ROTFLSTC*.

    Nope.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/analogue-radio-stations-licence-renewal-ofcom-classic-fm-talksport-a9599071.html

    Norway has done and the Swiss will do soon, but other than that no other country has plans.

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