My SE3 stopped siri from speaking to me quite a few months ago
now.
Siri still works fine, but doesnt speak anymore.
Apple got me to try all sorts of things, but nothing made any
difference.
They wanted to try a full factory reset but were happy to accept
that I didnt want to try that because it wasnt fully backed up.
I decided to see if an update would fix it, but it didnt over
quite
a few updates, and its now running 17.1.2 and still doesn't speak.
Everything else still works perfectly.
I have now got it fully backed up using itunes, encrypted.
Will I lose anything if I do a factory reset and itunes restore
now ?
Not even ApplePay cards ? Not a huge deal if I need to
reinstall those.
Is it worth doing a full icloud backup first for extra safety ?
I would need to pay for more storage since the SE3 is a 256GB
with about half used. No big deal to pay for that for a month
if it is worth doing for extra safety or to lose less on restore.
I would go that route if it avoids having to reload the apple
pay cards.
I dont want to lose any of the photos or videos, imessage and SMS
messages or any of the app data.
My SE3 stopped siri from speaking to me quite a few months ago now.
Siri still works fine, but doesnt speak anymore.
Apple got me to try all sorts of things, but nothing made any difference.
They wanted to try a full factory reset but were happy to accept
that I didnt want to try that because it wasnt fully backed up.
I decided to see if an update would fix it, but it didnt over quite
a few updates, and its now running 17.1.2 and still doesn't speak.
Everything else still works perfectly.
I have now got it fully backed up using itunes, encrypted.
Will I lose anything if I do a factory reset and itunes restore now ?
Not even ApplePay cards ? Not a huge deal if I need to reinstall those.
Is it worth doing a full icloud backup first for extra safety ?
I would need to pay for more storage since the SE3 is a 256GB
with about half used. No big deal to pay for that for a month
if it is worth doing for extra safety or to lose less on restore.
I would go that route if it avoids having to reload the apple pay cards.
I dont want to lose any of the photos or videos, imessage and SMS
messages or any of the app data.
My SE3 stopped siri from speaking to me quite a few months ago now.
Siri still works fine, but doesnt speak anymore.
Apple got me to try all sorts of things, but nothing made any difference.
They wanted to try a full factory reset but were happy to accept
that I didnt want to try that because it wasnt fully backed up.
I decided to see if an update would fix it, but it didnt over quite
a few updates, and its now running 17.1.2 and still doesn't speak.
Everything else still works perfectly.
I have now got it fully backed up using itunes, encrypted.
Will I lose anything if I do a factory reset and itunes restore now ?
Not even ApplePay cards ? Not a huge deal if I need to reinstall those.
Is it worth doing a full icloud backup first for extra safety ?
I would need to pay for more storage since the SE3 is a 256GB
with about half used. No big deal to pay for that for a month
if it is worth doing for extra safety or to lose less on restore.
I would go that route if it avoids having to reload the apple pay cards.
I dont want to lose any of the photos or videos, imessage and SMS
messages or any of the app data.
Personally I don't "trust" the iTunes backup.
Alan Browne wrote:
Personally I don't "trust" the iTunes backup.
I've used it to restore my phone three times. How many times did it fail
for you?
ken wrote:
My SE3 stopped siri from speaking to me quite a few months ago now.
Siri still works fine, but doesnt speak anymore.
Apple got me to try all sorts of things, but nothing made any
difference.
They wanted to try a full factory reset but were happy to accept
that I didnt want to try that because it wasnt fully backed up.
I decided to see if an update would fix it, but it didnt over quite
a few updates, and its now running 17.1.2 and still doesn't speak.
Everything else still works perfectly.
I have now got it fully backed up using itunes, encrypted.
Will I lose anything if I do a factory reset and itunes restore now ?
Not even ApplePay cards ? Not a huge deal if I need to reinstall
those.
Is it worth doing a full icloud backup first for extra safety ?
I would need to pay for more storage since the SE3 is a 256GB
with about half used. No big deal to pay for that for a month
if it is worth doing for extra safety or to lose less on restore.
I would go that route if it avoids having to reload the apple pay cards.
I dont want to lose any of the photos or videos, imessage and SMS
messages or any of the app data.
You may loose things whatever you decide to do.
You'll have to decide if siri's voice is that important to you.
Before you do anything drastic, look through all the myriad complicated
mess of settings to be sure nothing has changed to cause this problem.
If the problem started after ios 17 update,
you might consider waiting to see if it is corrected by some future
update.
I'm waiting myself, hoping for fixes to several things broken in ios 17.
Updates and errors are usually corrected very slowly, so be very
patient. It will eventually start working again. Good luck.
On 2023-11-01 18:27, ken wrote:
My SE3 stopped siri from speaking to me quite a few months ago now.
Siri still works fine, but doesnt speak anymore.
Apple got me to try all sorts of things, but nothing made any
difference.
They wanted to try a full factory reset but were happy to accept
that I didnt want to try that because it wasnt fully backed up.
I decided to see if an update would fix it, but it didnt over quite
a few updates, and its now running 17.1.2 and still doesn't speak.
Everything else still works perfectly.
I have now got it fully backed up using itunes, encrypted.
Will I lose anything if I do a factory reset and itunes restore now ?
On the phone yes. But if you backed up you should recover all of the
data from the backup. (Not sure about apps - may need DL the ones your
want again).
Personally I don't "trust" the iTunes backup. Anything important from
the phone is copied over separately to the computer and backed up off of
that computer as well.
Note that 98% of what's on my iPhone is disposable. Not sure about you.
Not even ApplePay cards ? Not a huge deal if I need to reinstall those.
Not sure. If you have the "barcodes" (serial numbers) for those I'd
make sure I had copies of them off of the iPhone.
Is it worth doing a full icloud backup first for extra safety ?
Depends on your notion of worth. Frankly don't need it because ...
I would need to pay for more storage since the SE3 is a 256GB
with about half used. No big deal to pay for that for a month
if it is worth doing for extra safety or to lose less on restore.
I would go that route if it avoids having to reload the apple pay cards.
Eh? Just backup to a computer.
... Never consider iCloud to be a backup - it's a convenience.
I dont want to lose any of the photos or videos, imessage and SMS
messages or any of the app data.
Then own them. Offload them to a computer and make backups of those
things on the computer as well. Keep it on your side of the internet.
The cloud is not a backup.
Your phone is not a backup.
Your computer is not a backup.
Get what you want off of the phone, back it up to the computer, then
back up that data to offline data.
Then verify that and when satisfied, restart your phone. If that's not enough, factory reset it - then recover from your computer.
On 11/1/2023 5:27 PM, ken wrote:
My SE3 stopped siri from speaking to me quite a few months ago now.
Siri still works fine, but doesnt speak anymore.
Apple got me to try all sorts of things, but nothing made any
difference.
They wanted to try a full factory reset but were happy to accept
that I didnt want to try that because it wasnt fully backed up.
I decided to see if an update would fix it, but it didnt over quite
a few updates, and its now running 17.1.2 and still doesn't speak.
Everything else still works perfectly.
I have now got it fully backed up using itunes, encrypted.
Will I lose anything if I do a factory reset and itunes restore now ?
Not even ApplePay cards ? Not a huge deal if I need to reinstall
those.
Is it worth doing a full icloud backup first for extra safety ?
I would need to pay for more storage since the SE3 is a 256GB
with about half used. No big deal to pay for that for a month
if it is worth doing for extra safety or to lose less on restore.
I would go that route if it avoids having to reload the apple pay cards.
I dont want to lose any of the photos or videos, imessage and SMS
messages or any of the app data.
I've had to do a full factory reset quite a few times on my iPhone XR
because of some issue with it and dark mode. I would suggest doing a
full backup with iTunes and save the backup right on your computer. I
don't suggest encrypting it.
There are some worries about losing some things and being unable to
restore it, though I'm not positive of the reason. Might be forgetting
the password. Anyway, for me it's just not worth it. Delete the backup
when you're done if you're worried and do an encrypted one.
Once the backup is done, immediately do the full factory reset. Once
done, you then use iTunes to restore the backup. Couple little things
like having to disable find my phone, but otherwise not really
difficult. I just keep a web page from Apple open showing how to do it
as I'm working on it. Once it's completed, everything personal will be there, and hopefully the problems are gone in the system. It always
fixes the dark mode problem for me.
On 2023-11-01 20:01, Hank Rogers wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Personally I don't "trust" the iTunes backup.
I've used it to restore my phone three times. How many times did it
fail for you?
I've used it each time I bought a new iPhone - w/o issue. That would
be 2 times. Hardly statistically relevant - nor is your three.
The reason I don't trust it is because I cannot (conveniently)
"inspect" it. OTOH, properly done offline backups of data can be
drilled into to verify. See [3] below for some enlightenment.
(If you have doubts about that, please do, drill into the backup,
which on a Mac are at: ~/Library/Application
Support/MobileSync/Backup/ and on a PC see [1] below. Once there,
please try to verify a single item (like a photo or document) [Good
luck]).
On 2023-11-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-11-01 20:01, Hank Rogers wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Personally I don't "trust" the iTunes backup.
I've used it to restore my phone three times. How many times did it
fail for you?
I've used it each time I bought a new iPhone - w/o issue. That would
be 2 times. Hardly statistically relevant - nor is your three.
The reason I don't trust it is because I cannot (conveniently)
"inspect" it. OTOH, properly done offline backups of data can be
drilled into to verify. See [3] below for some enlightenment.
(If you have doubts about that, please do, drill into the backup,
which on a Mac are at: ~/Library/Application
Support/MobileSync/Backup/ and on a PC see [1] below. Once there,
please try to verify a single item (like a photo or document) [Good
luck]).
It's actually not hard if you know how to do it. I have scripts that
extract things like voicemail messages and so on from device backups on
my Macs. You can easily find everything in the backup by scanning the manifest database and working your way forward from there.
On Thu, 02 Nov 2023 10:31:39 +1100, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-11-01 18:27, ken wrote:
 My SE3 stopped siri from speaking to me quite a few months ago now.
 Siri still works fine, but doesnt speak anymore.
 Apple got me to try all sorts of things, but nothing made any
difference.
 They wanted to try a full factory reset but were happy to accept
that I didnt want to try that because it wasnt fully backed up.
I decided to see if an update would fix it, but it didnt over quite
a few updates, and its now running 17.1.2 and still doesn't speak.
 Everything else still works perfectly.
 I have now got it fully backed up using itunes, encrypted.
 Will I lose anything if I do a factory reset and itunes restore now ?
On the phone yes. But if you backed up you should recover all of the
data from the backup. (Not sure about apps - may need DL the ones
your want again).
Personally I don't "trust" the iTunes backup. Anything important from
the phone is copied over separately to the computer and backed up off
of that computer as well.
Just not possible with all the stuff like the history, imessages,
SMSs, MMSs, and all the data that all the apps have.
Note that 98% of what's on my iPhone is disposable. Not sure about you.
Nothing like that with mine. most obviously with the imessages,
the photos of all the stuff I have bought so I know which power
pack and accessory goes with what devices etc. While I can
certainly save those manually to the PC, you lose the very useful
indexing on the phone by location the photo was taken and date
etc. I buy almost everthing online so can work out the date etc
from the emails involved.
Not even ApplePay cards ? Not a huge deal if I need to reinstall those. >>Not sure. If you have the "barcodes" (serial numbers) for those I'd
make sure I had copies of them off of the iPhone.
That one is really just a nuisance, perfectly possible to add
the cards to applepay again tho it would be a nuisance given
that I have so many of them on applepay.
Is it worth doing a full icloud backup first for extra safety ?
Depends on your notion of worth. Frankly don't need it because ...
But I do need it.
I would need to pay for more storage since the SE3 is a 256GB
with about half used. No big deal to pay for that for a month
if it is worth doing for extra safety or to lose less on restore.
I would go that route if it avoids having to reload the apple pay cards.
Eh? Just backup to a computer.
Not possible with applepay.
... Never consider iCloud to be a backup - it's a convenience.
But a full backup of everything just isnt possible.
I dont want to lose any of the photos or videos, imessage and SMS
messages or any of the app data.
Then own them. Offload them to a computer and make backups of those
things on the computer as well. Keep it on your side of the internet.
The cloud is not a backup.
Your phone is not a backup.
Your computer is not a backup.
It is when doing a factory reset.
Get what you want off of the phone, back it up to the computer, then
back up that data to offline data.
Then verify that and when satisfied, restart your phone. If that's
not enough, factory reset it - then recover from your computer.
Not possible to restore some stuff like the history from the PC.
On 2023-11-02 01:54, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-11-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-11-01 20:01, Hank Rogers wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Personally I don't "trust" the iTunes backup.
I've used it to restore my phone three times. How many times did it
fail for you?
I've used it each time I bought a new iPhone - w/o issue. That
would be 2 times. Hardly statistically relevant - nor is your
three.
The reason I don't trust it is because I cannot (conveniently)
"inspect" it. OTOH, properly done offline backups of data can be
drilled into to verify. See [3] below for some enlightenment.
(If you have doubts about that, please do, drill into the backup,
which on a Mac are at: ~/Library/Application
Support/MobileSync/Backup/ and on a PC see [1] below. Once there,
please try to verify a single item (like a photo or document) [Good
luck]).
It's actually not hard if you know how to do it. I have scripts that
extract things like voicemail messages and so on from device backups
on my Macs. You can easily find everything in the backup by scanning
the manifest database and working your way forward from there.
I didn't drill deeper than one level below the path above - I doubt a
lot of ordinary users want to deal with plists ...
On 2023-11-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-11-02 01:54, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-11-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-11-01 20:01, Hank Rogers wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Personally I don't "trust" the iTunes backup.
I've used it to restore my phone three times. How many times did it
fail for you?
I've used it each time I bought a new iPhone - w/o issue. That
would be 2 times. Hardly statistically relevant - nor is your
three.
The reason I don't trust it is because I cannot (conveniently)
"inspect" it. OTOH, properly done offline backups of data can be
drilled into to verify. See [3] below for some enlightenment.
(If you have doubts about that, please do, drill into the backup,
which on a Mac are at: ~/Library/Application
Support/MobileSync/Backup/ and on a PC see [1] below. Once there,
please try to verify a single item (like a photo or document) [Good
luck]).
It's actually not hard if you know how to do it. I have scripts that
extract things like voicemail messages and so on from device backups
on my Macs. You can easily find everything in the backup by scanning
the manifest database and working your way forward from there.
I didn't drill deeper than one level below the path above - I doubt a
lot of ordinary users want to deal with plists ...
That's why tools like iMazing exist that can extract things from the
backups with a nice GUI.
But for anyone inclined, all that is needed is some sqlite skills and
some scripting. The Manifest.db database file hols all that is needed to
find anything you want in the backup and extract it.
On 2023-11-02 20:30, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-11-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-11-02 01:54, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-11-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-11-01 20:01, Hank Rogers wrote:
Alan Browne wrote:
Personally I don't "trust" the iTunes backup.
I've used it to restore my phone three times. How many times did
it fail for you?
I've used it each time I bought a new iPhone - w/o issue. That
would be 2 times. Hardly statistically relevant - nor is your
three.
The reason I don't trust it is because I cannot (conveniently)
"inspect" it. OTOH, properly done offline backups of data can be
drilled into to verify. See [3] below for some enlightenment.
(If you have doubts about that, please do, drill into the backup,
which on a Mac are at: ~/Library/Application
Support/MobileSync/Backup/ and on a PC see [1] below. Once there,
please try to verify a single item (like a photo or document)
[Good luck]).
It's actually not hard if you know how to do it. I have scripts
that extract things like voicemail messages and so on from device
backups on my Macs. You can easily find everything in the backup by
scanning the manifest database and working your way forward from
there.
I didn't drill deeper than one level below the path above - I doubt
a lot of ordinary users want to deal with plists ...
That's why tools like iMazing exist that can extract things from the
backups with a nice GUI.
But for anyone inclined, all that is needed is some sqlite skills and
some scripting. The Manifest.db database file hols all that is needed
to find anything you want in the backup and extract it.
This is the sort of thing where as a computer user and programmer I'm
more likely to dive into, but the average iPhone user - not very
likely.
One nice thing about Time Machine is one can "dive in" and find
individual files and pull them using Finder w/o using the TM tool.
IAC, as mentioned, while I use iTunes backup occasionally, and have
restored data to phones with it, I'm not dependent on it for backup - important stuff gets moved onto the Mac and backed up from there.
An iPhone is an accessory to me - minimal maintenance!
On 2023-11-03, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-11-02 20:30, Jolly Roger wrote:
That's why tools like iMazing exist that can extract things from the
backups with a nice GUI.
But for anyone inclined, all that is needed is some sqlite skills and
some scripting. The Manifest.db database file hols all that is needed
to find anything you want in the backup and extract it.
This is the sort of thing where as a computer user and programmer I'm
more likely to dive into, but the average iPhone user - not very
likely.
One nice thing about Time Machine is one can "dive in" and find
individual files and pull them using Finder w/o using the TM tool.
IAC, as mentioned, while I use iTunes backup occasionally, and have
restored data to phones with it, I'm not dependent on it for backup -
important stuff gets moved onto the Mac and backed up from there.
An iPhone is an accessory to me - minimal maintenance!
You should definitely do your own thing, but like I said, tools like
iMazing make pulling stuff out of local iPhone backups effortless for
average users.
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