Dude you repeating "iOS has 3x the zero days" does not make it true.
Arlen (Wally and several other nyms) and his trollboi gang (sms, badgolferman, etc) have been trolling for *days* now claiming iPhone 15 hardware is supposedly "defective" and that the *only* way for Apple to
fix it is to supposedly throttle the iPhone 15 in the next update. This despite several knowledgeable software and system engineers telling them
that it is actually commonplace for *software* defects to cause excess resource usage in turn causing excess heat generation, and that fixing
such software defects actually *increases* performance rather than
decreasing it. The troll gang also latched onto that to claim "Apple
never tests" their software or hardware before release, which is
laughably false.
Meanwhile, *numerous* people have reported that iOS 17 causes excessive
heat generation in *older* model iPhones and even iPads, which shows the troll gang's claim that this is supposedly an iPhone 15 defect is
complete bullshit.
And now: Apple has released iOS/iPadOS 17.0.3. And Instagram has updated their app as well.
And lo and behold, testing now shows that iOS/iPadOS 17.0.3 does *not* throttle performance, just as Apple promised in their public statement
about the issue.
And further testing shows that after updating the Instagram app to the just-released version the iPhone 15, older model iPhones and iPads no
longer generate excess heat, proving that it is indeed mostly
third-party apps like Instagram that were causing the excess heat
generation.
Here are some tests showing this is all true:
iPhone 15 Overheating?
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6X2ZIkYFsQ>
iPhone 15 Overheating? I Figured Out The Instagram Problem! <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhSSAyrnrhk>
iPhone 15 Overheating fix! Is the phone throttled? Is Instagram Issue Gone? <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN_YfZR9Go4>
As usual, Arlen and his little troll gang are a club of know-nothing
idiots. 🤣
On 10/5/2023 2:58 PM, Mark L wrote:
9-5 Mac found a slight decrease in performance. It was less than a 2% decrease on single core and about 2.75% for multi-core. This was when
running tests on a 15 Pro Max just after installing 17.03.
"these were the Geekbench 5 results obtained with the new device running
iOS 17.0.1 and iOS 17.0.2:
Single-core score: 2914
Multi-core score: 7199"
and
"here are the results of a test conducted right after installing iOS
17.0.3 on the iPhone 15 Pro Max:
Single-core score: 2875
Multi-core score: 7006"
When they let the phone cool off, and then ran the tests again, the performance actually increased with 17.0.3.
"After installing the update, we waited two hours for the iPhone to cool
down and ran the tests again. Here are the results:
Single-core score: 2941
Multi-core score: 7523"
This is what you would expect, some throttling with a phone that has
been on for a long time, and has gotten hot, and no throttling on a
phone that is "cool," while allowing higher-performance until the phone
gets hot. It's likely that one of the fixes was to change the
temperature at which the throttling kicks in so the phone no longer gets
so hot. Obviously they can't go through every app on the app store to
check if it uses excessive processor resources, so they had to have a fail-safe.
On 10/5/2023 2:58 PM, Mark L wrote:
9-5 Mac found a slight decrease in performance. It was less than a 2% decrease on single core and about 2.75% for multi-core. This was when
running tests on a 15 Pro Max just after installing 17.03.
It's likely that one of the fixes was to change the temperature at
which the throttling kicks in
Dorper <usenet@dorper.me> wrote
Dude you repeating "iOS has 3x the zero days" does not make it true.
"Dude" (or, if you're female... "Bitch")... those were 17 _exploited_ zero day holes, and yes, everyone but you knows this - as it's simply a fact.
The fact you're completely unaware of facts doesn't make them not facts.
I quoted exactly where that came from so many times that for you to
_remain_ completely ignorant of every fact about Apple, means you haven't clicked on a single reference that has been provided to you on this topic.
If I provide a reference, please do not say that the reference doesn't
exist simply because you don't like what the reference is telling you.
That's probably 90% of all the iKooks' posts in this newsgroup, Dorper.
*They _hate_ facts - so they simply deny the existence of all facts.*
Jolly Roger, for example, claims every Apple statement about reducing performance is a lie because he has never read any of Apple's statements.
Who is that stupid?
Only iKooks, right?
I was hoping you'd be more intelligent than the iKooks are, Dorper.
BTW, there's a reason Apple has so many zero-day exploits, Dorper.
<https://www.securityweek.com/apple-warns-of-newly-exploited-ios-17-kernel-zero-day/>
"This is the 16th documented in-the-wild zero-day against Apple's iOS,
iPadOS and macOS-powered devices, according to data tracked by
SecurityWeek."
Although the number is apparently 17 according to SecurityWeek themselves.
<https://cybersecurityworldconference.com/2023/10/04/apple-fixed-the-17th-zero-day-flaw-exploited-in-attacks/>
And others... so the 16 active exploits may just be date related.
<https://thehackernews.com/2023/10/apple-rolls-out-security-patches-for.html>
"With the new development, Apple has addressed a total of 17 actively
exploited zero-days in its software since the start of the year."
Dorper - if you're going to act like an adult, you have to comprehend facts (e.g., you can't claim all bugs are zero-day bugs, for example).
That's the kind of idiocy that the iKooks do.
Let's hope you are not an iKook for God's sake.
Remember, all adults agree on the facts.
Only fools disagree on facts - that's why they're fools.
No intelligent discourse can occur until adults agree on facts.
Only _after_ we agree on facts, can an intelligent conversation ensue.
Do you yet agree that Apple has had 17 zero-day exploits this year, Dorper?
Yes? or No?
Note: Not all might be iOS though - but most seem to be (if not all).
9-5 Mac found a slight decrease in performance. It was less than a 2% decrease on single core and about 2.75% for multi-core. This was when
running tests on a 15 Pro Max just after installing 17.03.
"these were the Geekbench 5 results obtained with the new device running
iOS 17.0.1 and iOS 17.0.2:
Single-core score: 2914
Multi-core score: 7199"
and
"here are the results of a test conducted right after installing iOS
17.0.3 on the iPhone 15 Pro Max:
Single-core score: 2875
Multi-core score: 7006"
When they let the phone cool off, and then ran the tests again, the performance actually increased with 17.0.3.
"After installing the update, we waited two hours for the iPhone to cool
down and ran the tests again. Here are the results:
Single-core score: 2941
Multi-core score: 7523"
This is what you would expect, some throttling with a phone that has
been on for a long time, and has gotten hot, and no throttling on a
phone that is "cool," while allowing higher-performance until the phone
gets hot. It's likely that one of the fixes was to change the
temperature at which the throttling kicks in so the phone no longer gets
so hot. Obviously they can't go through every app on the app store to
check if it uses excessive processor resources, so they had to have a fail-safe.
On 5/10/2023, sms wrote:
9-5 Mac found a slight decrease in performance. It was less than a 2%
decrease on single core and about 2.75% for multi-core. This was when
running tests on a 15 Pro Max just after installing 17.03.
There isn't any way to reduce the overheating of these defective iPhones without reducing performance in some fashion (likely app performance).
But at least you're dropping your nonsense over titanium and stainless
steel - not to mention the need for heat pipes...
On 10/5/2023 6:00 PM, Mark L wrote:
<snip>
But at least you're dropping your nonsense over titanium and
stainless steel - not to mention the need for heat pipes...
Bottom line, as the Geekbench tests showed, the performance has
definitely been reduced slightly in 17.03 as the phone heats up.
On 10/5/2023 6:00 PM, Mark L wrote:
<snip>
But at least you're dropping your nonsense over titanium and stainless
steel - not to mention the need for heat pipes...
You need to understand that heat pipes≠vapor chamber cooling. While heat pipes are often used on laptops, they are thick and heavy and would not
be used on a phone where the goal is to make it thin and light.
Also, vapor chamber cooling adds significant cost while heat pipes are relatively inexpensive.
Bottom line, as the Geekbench tests showed, the performance has
definitely been reduced slightly in 17.03 as the phone heats up.
On 2023-10-06 08:48, sms wrote:
Bottom line, as the Geekbench tests showed, the performance has
definitely been reduced slightly in 17.03 as the phone heats up.
Badly designed test which had part A start cold and part B (17.0.3)
start hot. This result should have been tossed.
When they corrected their method, there was no significant or notable difference.
On 2023-10-06, Mark L <MarkL@bell.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-06 08:48, sms wrote:
Bottom line, as the Geekbench tests showed, the performance has
definitely been reduced slightly in 17.03 as the phone heats up.
Badly designed test which had part A start cold and part B (17.0.3)
start hot. This result should have been tossed.
When they corrected their method, there was no significant or notable
difference.
We're all supposed to ignore that discrepancy, because: bias. 😉
On 2023-10-06 16:49, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-10-06, Mark L <MarkL@bell.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-06 08:48, sms wrote:
Bottom line, as the Geekbench tests showed, the performance has
definitely been reduced slightly in 17.03 as the phone heats up.
Badly designed test which had part A start cold and part B (17.0.3)
start hot. This result should have been tossed.
When they corrected their method, there was no significant or notable
difference.
We're all supposed to ignore that discrepancy, because: bias. 😉
Inconvenient truth to three days of claims that
"The Great iPhone Throttling Era Is Nigh!"
(I wonder if any of them shorted Apple stock given their confidence in
the failure of Apple? I think not. Takes brains and balls to do that
and we know they "short" there ...).
On 2023-10-06, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-06 16:49, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-10-06, Mark L <MarkL@bell.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-06 08:48, sms wrote:
Bottom line, as the Geekbench tests showed, the performance has
definitely been reduced slightly in 17.03 as the phone heats up.
Badly designed test which had part A start cold and part B (17.0.3)
start hot. This result should have been tossed.
When they corrected their method, there was no significant or notable
difference.
We're all supposed to ignore that discrepancy, because: bias. 😉
Inconvenient truth to three days of claims that
"The Great iPhone Throttling Era Is Nigh!"
(I wonder if any of them shorted Apple stock given their confidence in
the failure of Apple? I think not. Takes brains and balls to do that
and we know they "short" there ...).
My oldest chunk is up 686.16% today. 🙂
On 2023-10-06, Mark L <MarkL@bell.com> wrote:
On 2023-10-06 08:48, sms wrote:
Bottom line, as the Geekbench tests showed, the performance has
definitely been reduced slightly in 17.03 as the phone heats up.
Badly designed test which had part A start cold and part B (17.0.3)
start hot. This result should have been tossed.
When they corrected their method, there was no significant or notable
difference.
We're all supposed to ignore that discrepancy, because: bias. 😉
A vapor chamber is a variant of a heat pipe and operates precisely on
the same thermodynamic principle. They both move heat from an area to another area by dint of the evaporation/condensation cycle.
(I wonder if any of them shorted Apple stock given their confidence in
the failure of Apple? I think not. Takes brains and balls to do that
and we know they "short" there ...).
On 10/6/2023 3:10 PM, Mark L wrote:
<snip>
A vapor chamber is a variant of a heat pipe and operates precisely on
the same thermodynamic principle. They both move heat from an area to
another area by dint of the evaporation/condensation cycle.
You can learn about vapor chamber cooling here:
While vapor chamber uses a kind of heat pipe, it's very different, and
more complex, than a simple heat pipe.
The iPhone has benefited, thermally, from having the processor separate
from the modem. It's not that this is something that Apple wanted, but
they have no modem to integrate into their Bionic SOC yet.
The smartphones that use Qualcomm, Samsung, or Mediatek flagship SOCs,
with integrated modems, have to use a thermal solution with a vapor
chamber so flagship phones fron Samsung, Sony, Vivo, OnePlus, Nubia,
Xiaomi, and iQOO, all use vapor chamber cooling.
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