According to Apples transparency
report, the company doesnt have any data to provide in response. An Apple spokesperson did not go into detail about how the company avoids collecting or storing time-stamped location data in such a way that prevents
compliance with geofence warrants, but reiterated the companys privacy principles which includes data minimization and giving users control of
their data.
This means Apple's tracking is merely different from Google's tracking.
While Apple's most recent record on responding to government requests for data also includes complying with 90% of US government requests for account information
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
According to Apple┬ transparency
report, the company doesn┤ have any data to provide in response. An Apple >> spokesperson did not go into detail about how the company avoids collecting >> or storing time-stamped location data in such a way that prevents
compliance with geofence warrants, but reiterated the company┬ privacy
principles which includes data minimization and giving users control of
their data.
Everything has to be understood properly.
Notice Apple was served far fewer "geofence warrants" which, according to
my take on what it said, included _two_ overlaps that are important.
a. The location
b. The keywords
Given that, the article is unclear _why_ Apple couldn't serve the geofence warrants because the article only discussed _one_ of those overlapping requirements (the location) & not the keywords in the sentence quoted.
It could simply be Google has a widely used "google search" engine.
And Apple doesn't.
The article doesn't say.
My point is the article didn't try to explain that _both_ components are required to overlap for a geofence warrant to have any validity. Right?
Only one.
If we put on our adult hats, we can discern more, but that's my first take. Google is fundamentally different from Apple in that it's the search giant.
On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 21:21:52 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:
While Apple's most recent record on responding to government requests for
data also includes complying with 90% of US government requests for
account
information
The problem with that is Apple requires everyone to register that account. You might use bogus information but then you can't buy anything.
Also even if the account is bogus data - it still tracks exactly to you. Because everything you do on that device is tracked to that account.
This means Apple's tracking is merely different from Google's tracking.
From Virginia to Florida, law enforcement all over the US are increasingly using tools called reverse search warrants – including geofence location warrants and keyword search warrants – to come up with a list of suspects who may have committed particular crimes. While the former is used by law enforcement to get tech companies to identify all the devices that were
near a certain place at a certain time, the latter is used to get
information on everyone who’s searched for a particular keyword or phrase.
It’s a practice public defenders, privacy advocates and many lawmakers have criticised, arguing it violates fourth amendment protections against unreasonable searches. Unlike reverse search warrants, other warrants and subpoenas target a specific person that law enforcement has established
there is probable cause to believe has committed a specific crime. But geofence warrants are sweeping in nature and are often used to compile a suspect list to further investigate.
Google broke out how many geofence warrants it received for the first time
in 2021. The company revealed it received nearly 21,000 geofence warrants between 2018 and 2020. The tech giant did not specify how many of those requests it complied with but did share that in the second half of 2020, it responded to 82% of all government requests for data in the US with some level of information.
Now, Apple has taken steps to publish its own numbers, revealing that in
the first half of 2022 the company fielded a total of 13 geofence warrants and complied with none. The difference? According to Apple’s transparency report, the company doesn’t have any data to provide in response. An Apple spokesperson did not go into detail about how the company avoids collecting or storing time-stamped location data in such a way that prevents
compliance with geofence warrants, but reiterated the company’s privacy principles which includes data minimization and giving users control of
their data.
While Apple’s most recent record on responding to government requests for data also includes complying with 90% of US government requests for account information, experts say the newly published numbers on geofence warrants highlight a clear lesson: “If you don’t collect [the data] you can’t give
it to the government or have it breached by hackers,” Andrew Crocker, the Surveillance Litigation Director at EFF, said to the Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/oct/03/techscape-geofence-warrants
On 10/3/2023 5:37 PM, Patrick wrote:
This means Apple's tracking is merely different from Google's tracking.
This criminal was tracked by his iPhone and convicted because of it. https://www.njherald.com/story/news/politics/courts/2023/05/26/hayden-harris-army-corporal-murder-trial-xo-testifies/70256187007/
"Snyder said he initiated the stop and ended up detaining Mellish,
taking and later processing Mellish's red Apple iPhone for evidence."
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| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 300 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 95:53:13 |
| Calls: | 6,698 |
| Calls today: | 3 |
| Files: | 12,232 |
| Messages: | 5,349,201 |