The issue of repairing old phones versus replacing them has been a
discussion on Reddit as well as here (the iPhone 6 battery bulge thread).
The big issue is band support since older phones don't support a lot of
the necessary bands for optimal performance. Band 66 did not appear
until the iPhone 8, band 71 did not appear until the iPhone 11.
The issue of repairing old phones versus replacing them has been a
discussion on Reddit as well as here (the iPhone 6 battery bulge thread).
The big issue is band support since older phones don't support a lot of
the necessary bands for optimal performance. Band 66 did not appear
until the iPhone 8, band 71 did not appear until the iPhone 11.
I shared my Google Sheets spreadsheet that details the differences, see "iPhone Bands & Features Spreadsheet" <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KGoH8DvWyqvBFxGORtJHn3G8ZDQifDWW6QPwfiiWqsM>.
Some weirdness, the U.S. iPhone 13 added LTE band 11 (used only in
Japan) but the iPhone 14 dropped it.
The big issue is band support since older phones don't support a lot of
the necessary bands for optimal performance.
In article <u8poa5$3oci9$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
The big issue is band support since older phones don't support a lot of
the necessary bands for optimal performance.
they will still work fine. they might not get maximum performance
(which is not the same as what you deceptively call 'optimal'), but
that doesn't matter in nearly all situations.
Old iPhone 6+ could had the rural area with very weak cellular signals
before 3G and lower went away. Newer iPhones' 4G LTE & 5G are bad. :(
On 2023-07-13 16:54, sms wrote:
The issue of repairing old phones versus replacing them has been a
discussion on Reddit as well as here (the iPhone 6 battery bulge thread).
The big issue is band support since older phones don't support a lot
of the necessary bands for optimal performance. Band 66 did not appear
until the iPhone 8, band 71 did not appear until the iPhone 11.
These things are not real issues, just nit-picky nonsense that won't
affect the user at all.
The lack of some band definitely affects some users.
T-Mobile adding band 71 (600 MHz) was a game-changer in terms of
coverage, especially indoors, but outdoors as well.
T-Mobile's web site even states this: "Our Extended Range LTE signal
reaches 2X as far and penetrates walls for 4X better coverage in
buildings than ever before."
Things got better with the Qualcomm modem + 4x4 MIMO antenna setup on
the 12, 13, & 14.
On 7/13/2023 2:33 PM, PBAJ wrote:
On 2023-07-13 16:54, sms wrote:
The issue of repairing old phones versus replacing them has been a
discussion on Reddit as well as here (the iPhone 6 battery bulge
thread).
The big issue is band support since older phones don't support a lot
of the necessary bands for optimal performance. Band 66 did not
appear until the iPhone 8, band 71 did not appear until the iPhone 11.
These things are not real issues, just nit-picky nonsense that won't
affect the user at all.
The lack of some band definitely affects some users.
T-Mobile adding band 71 (600 MHz) was a game-changer in terms of
coverage, especially indoors, but outdoors as well.
T-Mobile's web site even states this: "Our Extended Range LTE signal
reaches 2X as far and penetrates walls for 4X better coverage in
buildings than ever before."
Things got better with the Qualcomm modem + 4x4 MIMO antenna setup on
the 12, 13, & 14.
there is no noticeable difference in everyday use.
You're confused over what benefits the network and thousands of people
in the area and what benefits a single phone user. To that user, the
lack of that band is completely and utterly irrelevant.
What's doubly strange is that it's a _good_ thing that T-Mobile did,
T-Mobile adding band 71 (600 MHz) was a game-changer in terms of
coverage, especially indoors, but outdoors as well.
T-Mobile's web site even states this: "Our Extended Range LTE signal
reaches 2X as far and penetrates walls for 4X better coverage in
buildings than ever before."
You're confused over what benefits the network and thousands of people
in the area and what benefits a single phone user. To that user, the
lack of that band is completely and utterly irrelevant.
You're confused over what benefits the network and thousands of people
in the area and what benefits a single phone user. To that user, the
lack of that band is completely and utterly irrelevant.
With band 71, it made sense for T-Mobile to start adding more rural
coverage. While theyre still far behind AT&T and Verizon in geographic coverage,
On 2023-07-14 12:59, sms wrote:
You're confused over what benefits the network and thousands of
people in the area and what benefits a single phone user. To that
user, the lack of that band is completely and utterly irrelevant.
LOL, we don't even know if "he who must not be named" even uses
T-Mobile, though judging from his endless shilling it might be possible.
What's doubly strange is that it's a _good_ thing that T-Mobile did,
spending nearly $8 billion adding 600MHz band 71 in order to improve
service!
Good for T-Mobile but irrelevant to this user's case.
The point remains that for the iPhone 6 user at hand the lack of that
band in his phone is not a "lack" of any kind for that user.
The cell will communicate on whatever bands that the phone supports.
Other phones will be assigned bands they support. In effect user A
won't access the new bands, but user B has more to go to so the cell has bands available for user B that A can't access.
IOW: The cell will optimize band assignments according to the phones
wanting to use it.
So your "The big issue is band support since older phones don't support
a lot of the necessary bands for optimal performance" story has ... no
story.
On 7/14/2023 6:09 AM, PBAJ wrote:
<snip>
You're confused over what benefits the network and thousands of people
in the area and what benefits a single phone user. To that user, the
lack of that band is completely and utterly irrelevant.
Hopefully, by now, no one believes anything "he who must not be named"
posts!
This issue was being discussed in a recent Reddit thread where someone
was asking about buying a new iPhone versus getting their older iPhone's battery replaced. It was clear that not everyone understood the pros and
cons of each option.
Band 71 addressed some coverage issues for T-Mobile. With 600MHz band 71
they needed fewer towers to cover a given area. The lack of a
low-frequency band had always been an issue for both Sprint and T-Mobile
when they were primarily a PCS (1900 MHz carrier). You need about 4x the number of towers to cover a given area with 1900 MHz as opposed to
850Mhz, and with 600 MHz, the situation is even better than with 850 MHz.
In densely populated areas low band is a little less of an issue since you’ll have a lot more cells than are needed just for geographic
coverage because you need those additional cells to increase capacity. A
big advantage of 5G is not the extra speed, but the extra capacity that
is gained. However you still have the issue of in-building penetration
with higher frequency bands.
With band 71, it made sense for T-Mobile to start adding more rural
coverage. While they’re still far behind AT&T and Verizon in geographic coverage, remember that AT&T and Verizon have been installing cells and acquiring smaller, rural carriers for a lot longer. Now T-Mobile doesn’t have to spend as much money when they do decide to begin covering an
area since they need fewer cells to do so. Someday they may even add
native coverage in Alaska where they now have none (which means that
users on T-Mobile MVNOs, other than Google-Fi, don’t have service in Alaska).
A lot of people are unfamiliar how the frequency band affects coverage,
“he who must not be named” is not alone in this regard. He could also read < https://cdt.org/insights/techsplanations-part-6-mobile-connectivity-an-incomplete-explanation-of-the-radio-spectrum/> to gain further insight.
On 7/14/2023 6:09 AM, PBAJ wrote:
<snip>
You're confused over what benefits the network and thousands of people
in the area and what benefits a single phone user. To that user, the
lack of that band is completely and utterly irrelevant.
LOL, we don't even know if "he who must not be named" even uses
T-Mobile, though judging from his endless shilling it might be possible.
What's doubly strange is that it's a _good_ thing that T-Mobile did,
spending nearly $8 billion adding 600MHz band 71 in order to improve
service!
You don't seem to understand that for a _given_ user who doesn't have a particular band on his phone, that everything above is irrelevant - and
will have no negative impact on his using the phone. None.
Well that's the whole issue, the user with those bands benefits
enormously, that's why Band 71 was added by T-Mobile and why the phone manufacturers that wanted to sell to T-Mobile users added support for
that band in their devices.
On 7/13/2023 4:11 PM, Ant wrote:
Old iPhone 6+ could had the rural area with very weak cellular signals before 3G and lower went away. Newer iPhones' 4G LTE & 5G are bad. :(
Things got better with the Qualcomm modem + 4x4 MIMO antenna setup on
the 12, 13, & 14.
On 7/15/2023 8:08 AM, PBAJ wrote:
<snip>
You don't seem to understand that for a _given_ user who doesn't have
a particular band on his phone, that everything above is irrelevant -
and will have no negative impact on his using the phone. None.
Well that's the whole issue, the user with those bands benefits
enormously, that's why Band 71 was added by T-Mobile and why the phone manufacturers that wanted to sell to T-Mobile users added support for
that band in their devices.
What was being discussed in Reddit thread was whether it made sense to
repair an old iPhone or buy a new one. Someone else actually pointed out
the Band 71 issue and how it was present on newer iPhones and how for T-Mobile users the presence of Band 71 was a significant benefit.
What was being discussed in Reddit thread was whether it made sense to
repair an old iPhone or buy a new one. Someone else actually pointed out
the Band 71 issue and how it was present on newer iPhones and how for T-Mobile users the presence of Band 71 was a significant benefit.
You were trying to make the point that resurrecting an iPhone 6 was a
bad idea due to it not having the new band. But it makes no difference
at all to that user. None. Nada. Zilch.
On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 09:26:08 -0400, PBAJ wrote:
You were trying to make the point that resurrecting an iPhone 6 was a
bad idea due to it not having the new band. But it makes no
difference at all to that user. None. Nada. Zilch.
The main argument against any iPhone that can't run iOS 16 is that it will
be exploited due to lack of full patches (which only iOS 16 gets today).
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