When it comes to device and operating system malware security, does it make any difference which web browser one uses on iOS since they are all using WebKit?
Other than a few minor differences in options and the user interface, is there any reason to use Safari over Chrome over Firefox over any other
major web browser?
When it comes to device and operating system malware security, does it make any difference which web browser one uses on iOS since they are all using WebKit?
Other than a few minor differences in options and the user interface,
is
there any reason to use Safari over Chrome over Firefox over any other
major web browser?
Other than a few minor differences in options and the user interface, is there any reason to use Safari over Chrome over Firefox over any other
major web browser?
When it comes to device and operating system malware security, does it make any difference which web browser one uses on iOS since they are all using WebKit?
Other than a few minor differences in options and the user interface, is there any reason to use Safari over Chrome over Firefox over any other
major web browser?
Other than a few minor differences in options and the user interface, is
there any reason to use Safari over Chrome over Firefox over any other
major web browser?
For now, it makes no difference. Soon things will change <https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/07/new-iphone-browsers/>. Hopefully we'll
see Tor available for iOS once Apple allows non-WebKit browsers.
On 4 Jul 2023 at 9:30:09 PM, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
Other than a few minor differences in options and the user interface, is >>> there any reason to use Safari over Chrome over Firefox over any other
major web browser?
For now, it makes no difference. Soon things will change
<https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/07/new-iphone-browsers/>. Hopefully we'll
see Tor available for iOS once Apple allows non-WebKit browsers.
The two major problems with the webkit walled garden is that almost all the zero day zero click bugs have been either in webkit or the Apple messenger app and the requirement for webkit prevents any serious privacy on Apple devices (as you noted with the lack of Tor-quality privacy with webkit).
When it comes to device and operating system malware security, does it make any difference which web browser one uses on iOS since they are all using WebKit?
Other than a few minor differences in options and the user interface, is there any reason to use Safari over Chrome over Firefox over any other major web browser?
For now, it makes no difference.
Soon things will change
On 2023-07-04 13:41, RJH wrote:
On 4 Jul 2023 at 9:30:09 PM, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
Other than a few minor differences in options and the user
interface, is
there any reason to use Safari over Chrome over Firefox
over any other
major web browser?
For now, it makes no difference. Soon things will change
<https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/07/new-iphone-browsers/>.
Hopefully we'll
see Tor available for iOS once Apple allows non-WebKit
browsers.
The two major problems with the webkit walled garden is that
almost all the
zero day zero click bugs have been either in webkit or the
Apple messenger
app and the requirement for webkit prevents any serious
privacy on Apple
devices (as you noted with the lack of Tor-quality privacy
with webkit).
LOL!
Alan wrote:
On 2023-07-04 13:41, RJH wrote:
On 4 Jul 2023 at 9:30:09 PM, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
Other than a few minor differences in options and the user
interface, is
there any reason to use Safari over Chrome over Firefox over any other >>>>> major web browser?
For now, it makes no difference. Soon things will change
<https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/07/new-iphone-browsers/>. Hopefully we'll >>>> see Tor available for iOS once Apple allows non-WebKit browsers.
The two major problems with the webkit walled garden is that almost
all the
zero day zero click bugs have been either in webkit or the Apple
messenger
app and the requirement for webkit prevents any serious privacy on Apple >>> devices (as you noted with the lack of Tor-quality privacy with webkit).
LOL!
Is that a nuh-uh?
On Tue, 04 Jul 2023 17:04:43 -0400, nospam wrote:
once again you demonstrate your lack of knowledge about ios.
It's interesting that you "say" you understand iOS but then everything you claim reeks of your not understanding that EVERY web browser on iOS is completely underlain by Webkit (which you likely never even heard of).
for example, some browsers include content blocking while others
require adding a third party content blocker, some of which
do more than just block (ie., they track you).
There is only one browser on iOS and everything else is a mere skin of it.
If that weren't the case, the tor people wouldn't say that this webkit requirement is the reason that their level of privacy is impossible on iOS.
You say you know iOS but you have no understanding of the walled garden.
once again you demonstrate your lack of knowledge about ios.
for example, some browsers include content blocking while others
require adding a third party content blocker, some of which
do more than just block (ie., they track you).
On 2023-07-04 17:32, Hank Rogers wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-07-04 13:41, RJH wrote:
On 4 Jul 2023 at 9:30:09 PM, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
Other than a few minor differences in options and the user >>>>>>interface, is there any reason to use Safari over Chrome
over Firefox over any other major web browser?
For now, it makes no difference. Soon things will change >>>>><https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/07/new-iphone-browsers/>.
Hopefully we'll see Tor available for iOS once Apple allows >>>>>non-WebKit browsers.
The two major problems with the webkit walled garden is that
almost all the zero day zero click bugs have been either in
webkit or the Apple messenger app and the requirement for
webkit prevents any serious privacy on Apple devices (as you
noted with the lack of Tor-quality privacy with webkit).
LOL!
Is that a nuh-uh?
It's laughter at the original poster's lack of understanding.
Saying that something is happening without explaining WHY is an easy way
to lie.
I am the original poster of this thread. Explain my lack of
understanding and why you laughed at someone else's message.
browsers on the iPhone are essentially the same web browser underneath.
There are many proofs of that fact, one of which is that there are many complaints on the net that there's no browser innovation on iOS due to the requirement for webkit
- but a better proof of that is they all have the
exact same webkit holes at the exact same time, time after time after time.
For now, it makes no difference. Soon things will change <https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/07/new-iphone-browsers/>. Hopefully we'll
see Tor available for iOS once Apple allows non-WebKit browsers.
For that publicity nightmare reason along, I predict Apple will never allow the more innovative better written much more secure open source browsers.
browsers on the iPhone are essentially the same web browser underneath.
but differ wildly on top. anyone who claims that all iphone browsers
are essentially the same is either ignorant or has an agenda
For that publicity nightmare reason along, I predict Apple will never allow >> the more innovative better written much more secure open source browsers.
webkit *is* open source. google forked it for blink (aka chromium).
other companies use it as well.
browsers on the iPhone are essentially the same web browser underneath.
but differ wildly on top. anyone who claims that all iphone browsers
are essentially the same is either ignorant or has an agenda
You missed the part about the many zero days in webkit affecting all browsers, which can't as easily happen when there are at least two
different open source fundamental implementations on other platforms.
You also missed the part about the privacy of the tor browser being impossible to achieve - by people who know privacy - on Apple's webkit.
Apparently you are not aware that webkit underlies all the iOS browsers.
Apple's not that stupid to let all the iOS browser constantly, endlessly, repeatedly be the bane of jokes about webkit while the others are safe.
You missed the part about the many zero days in webkit affecting all
browsers, which can't as easily happen when there are at least two
different open source fundamental implementations on other platforms.
you missed the part that chromium also has 'many zero days'.
You also missed the part about the privacy of the tor browser being
impossible to achieve - by people who know privacy - on Apple's webkit.
that's demonstrably false, as can be seen by the many privacy-focused
ios browsers.
You missed the part that if Chromium has a zero day, you can switch to any fundamentally different (probably mozilla-based) browser in a flash
You missed the part that if Chromium has a zero day, you can switch to any >>>> fundamentally different (probably mozilla-based) browser in a flash
those also have zero days and other issues, possibly the same ones.
nothing is perfect.
Bullshit. Everything Apple is perfect.
No one but jealous, Apple-hating trolls say that.
Nothing is perfect.
In article <u84kj3$2j7oa$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Eowin O <eowinoreilly@nospam.edu> wrote:
You missed the part that if Chromium has a zero day, you can switch to any >> fundamentally different (probably mozilla-based) browser in a flash
those also have zero days and other issues, possibly the same ones.
nothing is perfect.
nospam wrote:
In article <u84kj3$2j7oa$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Eowin O
<eowinoreilly@nospam.edu> wrote:
You missed the part that if Chromium has a zero day, you can switch to any >>> fundamentally different (probably mozilla-based) browser in a flash
those also have zero days and other issues, possibly the same ones.
nothing is perfect.
Bullshit. Everything Apple is perfect.
Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote
Nothing is perfect.
It's interesting that they're saying "nothing is perfect" when what they
mean is nobody has as many zero day holes as the iPhone does - for years!
On 7/5/2023 3:11 PM, Wally J wrote:
Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote
<snip>
Nothing is perfect.
It's interesting that they're saying "nothing is perfect" when what they
mean is nobody has as many zero day holes as the iPhone does - for years!
Historically, in this Usenet group, when "those who must not be named"
have no coherent response, and have given up, the standard response is "nothing is perfect." Apparently nothing has changed in that regard!
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 08:40:40 -0700, Alan wrote:
Saying that something is happening without explaining WHY is an easy way
to lie.
If your excuse for why there's no privacy on iOS is that everyone reputable is lying and only you (and nospam) are telling the truth - that's telling.
Alan wrote:
On 2023-07-04 17:32, Hank Rogers wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-07-04 13:41, RJH wrote:
On 4 Jul 2023 at 9:30:09 PM, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
Other than a few minor differences in options and the user
interface, is there any reason to use Safari over Chrome
over Firefox over any other major web browser?
For now, it makes no difference. Soon things will change
<https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/07/new-iphone-browsers/>.
Hopefully we'll see Tor available for iOS once Apple allows
non-WebKit browsers.
The two major problems with the webkit walled garden is that
almost all the zero day zero click bugs have been either in
webkit or the Apple messenger app and the requirement for
webkit prevents any serious privacy on Apple devices (as you
noted with the lack of Tor-quality privacy with webkit).
LOL!
Is that a nuh-uh?
It's laughter at the original poster's lack of understanding.
I am the original poster of this thread. Explain my lack of
understanding and why you laughed at someone else's message.
Do you REALLY think that Android and everything else does NOT have zero day holes? Why are you SO excited that Apple has them? Why do you even
care?
Indeed, nothing is perfect.
First prove there is "no privacy on iOS".
On 7/5/2023 3:11 PM, Wally J wrote:
Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote
<snip>
Nothing is perfect.
It's interesting that they're saying "nothing is perfect" when what they
mean is nobody has as many zero day holes as the iPhone does - for years!
Historically, in this Usenet group, when "those who must not be named"
have no coherent response, and have given up, the standard response is "nothing is perfect." Apparently nothing has changed in that regard!
In this case, it's not going to be Apple's decision if indeed the EU
follows through. "On December 13 last year, it was reported that Apple
was preparing to allow third-party app stores in iOS 17 – expected in Q3 2023 – to comply with the European Digital Markets Act. Those rules –
and related concerns raised by other regulators – look likely to force Apple to drop its iOS WebKit requirement." <https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/07/mozilla_google_apple_webkit/>.
Like the expected change to USB-C from Lightning on future iPhones, the rest-of-the-world owes a big "thank-you" to the EU and its consumer protection focus.
As to forcing Apple to open up iOS to 3rd parties, we'll probably see a
jump in malware on iOS devices. Again, the market should be left alone
to decide these things. If it's important enough to a user he can
always go to Android (or other platforms) instead.
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> said:
You missed the part about the many zero days in webkit affecting all
browsers, which can't as easily happen when there are at least two
different open source fundamental implementations on other platforms.
you missed the part that chromium also has 'many zero days'.
You missed the part that if Chromium has a zero day, you can switch to any fundamentally different (probably mozilla-based) browser in a flash - while if the walled garden webkit has a zero-day exploit - you can't do a thing.
You can only be exploited on iOS when webkit has its many known zero days. Meanwhile every other platform has a choice of the underlying browser tech.
You also missed the part about the privacy of the tor browser being
impossible to achieve - by people who know privacy - on Apple's webkit.
that's demonstrably false, as can be seen by the many privacy-focused
ios browsers.
When you say that, it's clear you have no idea the tor people are the best
in the world and THEY SAY you can't achieve their level of privacy on iOS.
https://support.torproject.org/tormobile/tormobile-3/
On Thu, 6 Jul 2023 10:04:20 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
As to forcing Apple to open up iOS to 3rd parties, we'll probably see
a jump in malware on iOS devices. Again, the market should be left
alone to decide these things. If it's important enough to a user he
can always go to Android (or other platforms) instead.
I've never met anyone who had malware on either Android or iOS.
Both have systems in place to prevent it, where Android scans every
download (even if it is from outside of the default app store) and Android scans every device (125 billion scans a day!) every single day for malware.
Apple doesn't do that.
Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote
You missed the part that if Chromium has a zero day, you can switch to any
fundamentally different (probably mozilla-based) browser in a flash
those also have zero days and other issues, possibly the same ones.
nothing is perfect.
Bullshit. Everything Apple is perfect.
No one but jealous, Apple-hating trolls say that.
Nothing is perfect.
It's interesting that they're saying "nothing is perfect" when what they
mean is nobody has as many zero day holes as the iPhone does - for years!
Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> said:
Do you REALLY think that Android and everything else does NOT have zero day >> holes? Why are you SO excited that Apple has them? Why do you even
care?
Indeed, nothing is perfect.
For years you Apple trolls have claimed that Apple fixes all known bugs in more than one release but the reality is that has been a lie all along.
What you mean by "nothing is perfect" is that the iPhone has three times
the number of zero day holes than Android did in the past three years.
Again, "Mickey D" shows his complete ignorance of Xprotect. Maybe little Micky should learn a little about iOS before he opens his big yap trap
next time, so he doesn't come off looking like a completely foolish
zealot.
On 6 Jul 2023 18:31:03 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
Again, "Mickey D" shows his complete ignorance of Xprotect. Maybe
little Micky should learn a little about iOS before he opens his big
yap trap next time, so he doesn't come off looking like a completely
foolish zealot.
You're running the same comparison
You are correct in your understanding
I'm just calling out your obvious lies.
Eowin O wrote:
You are correct in your understanding
Enough of these games, Arlen. You owe me an apology for stealing my
identity and you know it. Be a man and make amends then update the
"wrong" thread.
On 6 Jul 2023 20:54:48 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2023-07-06, Mickey D <mickeydavis078XX@ptd.net> wrote:
On 6 Jul 2023 18:31:03 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
Again, "Mickey D" shows his complete ignorance of Xprotect. Maybe
little Micky should learn a little about iOS before he opens his
big yap trap next time, so he doesn't come off looking like a
completely foolish zealot.
You're running the same comparison
Nope. You're trolling. I'm just calling out your obvious lies. 🙂
What exactly are you calling "obvious lies" in this article?
LOL! This one still thinks he's going to get an apology from Arlen for impersonating his nym. Better double up on your copium prescription. 🤣
Eowin O wrote:
You are correct in your understanding
Enough of these games, Arlen. You owe me an apology for stealing my
identity and you know it. Be a man and make amends then update the
"wrong" thread. Until you do that your credibility is the same as
Jolly Roger's to me.
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Eowin O wrote:
You are correct in your understanding
Enough of these games, Arlen. You owe me an apology for stealing
my identity and you know it. Be a man and make amends then update
the "wrong" thread. Until you do that your credibility is the
same as Jolly Roger's to me.
I don’t think the Samsung Marketing exec (or Arlen as he sometimes
calls himself) has ever apologised for anything.
On 7 Jul 2023 14:47:25 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
None of your articles are about Xprotect, nor do you understand what it
is. And you trimmed that out of the quoted material above for that very
reason, you snivelling, little worm. Squirm away if you must...
I notice you denied all available statistics without providing any links.
"This is confirmed by the zero-day stats for 2021, with iOS vulnerabilities accounting for 64% of all 17 exploited zero-day attacks targeting mobile devices... 45 of the flaws are critical, which means leveraging them may result in significant compromise [of all the iOS devices out there]"
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/2021-mobile-security-android-more-vulnerabilities-ios-more-zero-days/
Arlen actually has admitted his mistakes a few times, that's why I'm
still hopeful he will do the right thing.
None of your articles are about Xprotect, nor do you understand what it
is. And you trimmed that out of the quoted material above for that very reason, you snivelling, little worm. Squirm away if you must...
John Gardner wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Eowin O wrote:
You are correct in your understanding
Enough of these games, Arlen. You owe me an apology for stealing
my identity and you know it. Be a man and make amends then update
the "wrong" thread. Until you do that your credibility is the
same as Jolly Roger's to me.
I don’t think the Samsung Marketing exec (or Arlen as he sometimes
calls himself) has ever apologised for anything.
Arlen actually has admitted his mistakes a few times, that's why I'm
still hopeful he will do the right thing. Look up the thread titled
"wrong" in this group from 2-3 years ago.
It's the Apple apologists who have never admitted to being wrong.
I notice that you are REALLY cherry picking your quotes.
Why not post the whole summary?
On 7/7/2023 10:13 AM, badgolferman wrote:
<snip>
Arlen actually has admitted his mistakes a few times, that's why I'm
still hopeful he will do the right thing.
Rarely. And now he's resorted to creating a large number of fake user
IDs to try to bypass everyones' filters.
On 7 Jul 2023 14:47:25 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
None of your articles are about Xprotect, nor do you understand what
it is. And you trimmed that out of the quoted material above for that
very reason, you snivelling, little worm. Squirm away if you must...
I notice you denied
On Fri, 07 Jul 2023 18:14:37 +0000, Bob Campbell wrote:
I notice that you are REALLY cherry picking your quotes.
Like I said over and over again, I agreed that Android has more vulnerabilities while iOS has more serious zero-day zero-click exploits.
Which would you prefer?
Android = much more malware (almost all of which is dodgy software)
iOS = many more exploits (which are caused by Apple - not by you)
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