• Why is autocorrect so rubbish?

    From Chris@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 4 09:09:17 2023
    It just now suggested "hing" as a word instead of "home". That's not
    unusual as it often suggests words that don't exist. Yesterday it refused
    to suggest a plural over a possessive when the former was obviously the
    correct option.

    Together with siri Apple needs to overhaul autocorrect.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 4 11:50:00 2023
    Am 04.06.23 um 11:09 schrieb Chris:


    It just now suggested "hing" as a word instead of "home". That's not
    unusual as it often suggests words that don't exist. Yesterday it refused
    to suggest a plural over a possessive when the former was obviously the correct option.

    Together with siri Apple needs to overhaul autocorrect.

    I do not use auto-correct on my phone because in a multilingual
    environment it is useless anyway.

    It is quite different on a Mac depending on the used software.

    SIRI? Useless for the same reasons. She speaks a little bit of English
    but that it is ist. I do not want Apple to know what I say, do or think.

    --
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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Sun Jun 4 10:15:18 2023
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 04.06.23 um 11:09 schrieb Chris:


    It just now suggested "hing" as a word instead of "home". That's not
    unusual as it often suggests words that don't exist. Yesterday it refused
    to suggest a plural over a possessive when the former was obviously the
    correct option.

    Together with siri Apple needs to overhaul autocorrect.

    I do not use auto-correct on my phone because in a multilingual
    environment it is useless anyway.

    Actually, that bit works surprisingly well. I have English and français at
    the même temps and ça marche well.

    It's english words with swipe to type throws up some very odd suggestions
    and stubbornly refuses to change.

    It is quite different on a Mac depending on the used software.

    SIRI? Useless for the same reasons. She speaks a little bit of English
    but that it is ist. I do not want Apple to know what I say, do or think.

    Too late ;)

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Sun Jun 4 10:47:29 2023
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 04.06.23 um 11:09 schrieb Chris:


    It just now suggested "hing" as a word instead of "home". That's not
    unusual as it often suggests words that don't exist. Yesterday it refused
    to suggest a plural over a possessive when the former was obviously the
    correct option.

    Together with siri Apple needs to overhaul autocorrect.

    I do not use auto-correct on my phone because in a multilingual
    environment it is useless anyway.

    It is quite different on a Mac depending on the used software.

    SIRI? Useless for the same reasons. She speaks a little bit of English
    but that it is ist. I do not want Apple to know what I say, do or think.


    You’re delusional if you think Apple doesn’t know everything about you and the people you communicate with.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Sun Jun 4 10:35:41 2023
    On 2023-06-04 03:47, badgolferman wrote:
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 04.06.23 um 11:09 schrieb Chris:


    It just now suggested "hing" as a word instead of "home". That's not
    unusual as it often suggests words that don't exist. Yesterday it refused >>> to suggest a plural over a possessive when the former was obviously the
    correct option.

    Together with siri Apple needs to overhaul autocorrect.

    I do not use auto-correct on my phone because in a multilingual
    environment it is useless anyway.

    It is quite different on a Mac depending on the used software.

    SIRI? Useless for the same reasons. She speaks a little bit of English
    but that it is ist. I do not want Apple to know what I say, do or think.


    You’re delusional if you think Apple doesn’t know everything about you and
    the people you communicate with.



    Apple makes their money selling you DEVICES.

    Google makes their money selling you...

    ...to advertisers.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Jun 4 20:54:01 2023
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-06-04 03:47, badgolferman wrote:
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 04.06.23 um 11:09 schrieb Chris:


    It just now suggested "hing" as a word instead of "home". That's not
    unusual as it often suggests words that don't exist. Yesterday it refused >>>> to suggest a plural over a possessive when the former was obviously the >>>> correct option.

    Together with siri Apple needs to overhaul autocorrect.

    I do not use auto-correct on my phone because in a multilingual
    environment it is useless anyway.

    It is quite different on a Mac depending on the used software.

    SIRI? Useless for the same reasons. She speaks a little bit of English
    but that it is ist. I do not want Apple to know what I say, do or think. >>>

    You’re delusional if you think Apple doesn’t know everything about you and
    the people you communicate with.



    Apple makes their money selling you DEVICES.

    That doesn't mean they don't track user activity for their own purposes: service improvement, user stories, etc.

    Google makes their money selling you...

    ...to advertisers.


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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Chris on Mon Jun 5 02:14:50 2023
    On 2023-06-04, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-06-04 03:47, badgolferman wrote:
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 04.06.23 um 11:09 schrieb Chris:

    It just now suggested "hing" as a word instead of "home". That's
    not unusual as it often suggests words that don't exist. Yesterday
    it refused to suggest a plural over a possessive when the former
    was obviously the correct option.

    Together with siri Apple needs to overhaul autocorrect.

    I do not use auto-correct on my phone because in a multilingual
    environment it is useless anyway.

    It is quite different on a Mac depending on the used software.

    SIRI? Useless for the same reasons. She speaks a little bit of
    English but that it is ist. I do not want Apple to know what I say,
    do or think.


    You’re delusional if you think Apple doesn’t know everything about
    you and the people you communicate with.

    Apple makes their money selling you DEVICES.

    That doesn't mean they don't track user activity for their own
    purposes: service improvement, user stories, etc.

    Which tech company doesn't do that, wise guy? What you *desperately*
    want us all to ignore is the fact that unlike others - especially
    Google, Apple *doesn't* use telemetry data to build marketing
    fingerprints to track Apple's customers, sold to the lowest bidders on advertising networks, nor do they scan your photos and other data on
    their servers.

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    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 5 08:23:57 2023
    Am 04.06.23 um 22:54 schrieb Chris:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    Apple makes their money selling you DEVICES.

    That doesn't mean they don't track user activity for their own purposes: service improvement, user stories, etc.

    Why are you using then macOS or iOS in the first place?
    If you do not like it defect to $MS$ or Google Android and Chrome!
    *ROTFLSTC*

    --
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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 5 08:20:52 2023
    Am 04.06.23 um 12:47 schrieb badgolferman:
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 04.06.23 um 11:09 schrieb Chris:


    It just now suggested "hing" as a word instead of "home". That's not
    unusual as it often suggests words that don't exist. Yesterday it refused >>> to suggest a plural over a possessive when the former was obviously the
    correct option.

    Together with siri Apple needs to overhaul autocorrect.

    I do not use auto-correct on my phone because in a multilingual
    environment it is useless anyway.

    It is quite different on a Mac depending on the used software.

    SIRI? Useless for the same reasons. She speaks a little bit of English
    but that it is ist. I do not want Apple to know what I say, do or think.


    You’re delusional if you think Apple doesn’t know everything about you and
    the people you communicate with.

    I love the amateurs in this group ... *SCNR*

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 5 11:54:53 2023
    Am 04.06.23 um 12:15 schrieb Chris:
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 04.06.23 um 11:09 schrieb Chris:


    It just now suggested "hing" as a word instead of "home". That's not
    unusual as it often suggests words that don't exist. Yesterday it refused >>> to suggest a plural over a possessive when the former was obviously the
    correct option.

    Together with siri Apple needs to overhaul autocorrect.

    I do not use auto-correct on my phone because in a multilingual
    environment it is useless anyway.

    Actually, that bit works surprisingly well. I have English and français at the même temps and ça marche well.

    Ne marche pas du tout en cas d'un dialecte allemand.

    It's english words with swipe to type throws up some very odd suggestions
    and stubbornly refuses to change.

    It is quite different on a Mac depending on the used software.

    SIRI? Useless for the same reasons. She speaks a little bit of English
    but that it is ist. I do not want Apple to know what I say, do or think.

    Too late ;)

    Wisenheimer? Eine Frage des Vertrauens. Apple ist die einzige
    amerikanische Techfirma die das geniesst.

    --
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Chris on Mon Jun 5 02:22:41 2023
    On 2023-06-04 13:54, Chris wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-06-04 03:47, badgolferman wrote:
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 04.06.23 um 11:09 schrieb Chris:


    It just now suggested "hing" as a word instead of "home". That's not >>>>> unusual as it often suggests words that don't exist. Yesterday it refused >>>>> to suggest a plural over a possessive when the former was obviously the >>>>> correct option.

    Together with siri Apple needs to overhaul autocorrect.

    I do not use auto-correct on my phone because in a multilingual
    environment it is useless anyway.

    It is quite different on a Mac depending on the used software.

    SIRI? Useless for the same reasons. She speaks a little bit of English >>>> but that it is ist. I do not want Apple to know what I say, do or think. >>>>

    You’re delusional if you think Apple doesn’t know everything about you and
    the people you communicate with.



    Apple makes their money selling you DEVICES.

    That doesn't mean they don't track user activity for their own purposes: service improvement, user stories, etc.

    Google makes their money selling you...

    ...to advertisers.

    I notice you don't even attempt to rebut this.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com on Mon Jun 5 08:13:39 2023
    In article <u5kh55$b30v$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    You¹re delusional if you think Apple doesn¹t know everything about you and >> the people you communicate with.

    I love the amateurs in this group ... *SCNR*


    This is what you said which I disputed. Do you honestly think Apple doesn¹t know what you say, do or think? So long as you are using their device and connected to the internet they absolutely do.

    they do not.

    Now tell me why I am wrongŠ

    encryption, which means they *can't* know what you say, do or think.

    btw, what technology is it that can determine and track what people
    think? that seems like something that could be useful, if it existed.
    since it doesn't, it's not possible for apple or anyone else to collect
    it.

    also, apple has said that they aren't interested in that information.

    do you really think apple is collecting everything people say, do and
    think for their more than 1 billion users on a continual basis? do you
    have any idea how much data that would be? and what possible purpose
    would it serve?

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Mon Jun 5 11:32:53 2023
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 04.06.23 um 12:47 schrieb badgolferman:
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    I do not want Apple to know what I say, do or think.


    You’re delusional if you think Apple doesn’t know everything about you and
    the people you communicate with.

    I love the amateurs in this group ... *SCNR*


    This is what you said which I disputed. Do you honestly think Apple doesn’t know what you say, do or think? So long as you are using their device and connected to the internet they absolutely do.

    Now tell me why I am wrong…

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 5 15:04:03 2023
    Am 05.06.23 um 13:32 schrieb badgolferman:
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 04.06.23 um 12:47 schrieb badgolferman:
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    I do not want Apple to know what I say, do or think.


    You’re delusional if you think Apple doesn’t know everything about you and
    the people you communicate with.

    I love the amateurs in this group ... *SCNR*


    This is what you said which I disputed. Do you honestly think Apple doesn’t know what you say, do or think? So long as you are using their device and connected to the internet they absolutely do.

    No they don't. You are claiming serious things without a minimal proof
    that they either do it or want to do it.

    *Conspiracy theory*

    Now tell me why I am wrong…

    You really think you know what E2E-encyption is?

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 5 15:00:14 2023
    Am 05.06.23 um 14:13 schrieb nospam:
    In article <u5kh55$b30v$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    You¹re delusional if you think Apple doesn¹t know everything about you and
    the people you communicate with.

    I love the amateurs in this group ... *SCNR*


    This is what you said which I disputed. Do you honestly think Apple doesn¹t >> know what you say, do or think? So long as you are using their device and
    connected to the internet they absolutely do.

    they do not.

    Now tell me why I am wrongÅ 

    encryption, which means they *can't* know what you say, do or think.

    I have activated E2E-encryption when it was launched. I do not use
    Appe's mail service.

    --
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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Mon Jun 5 15:28:08 2023
    On 2023-06-05, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 04.06.23 um 12:47 schrieb badgolferman:
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:

    I do not want Apple to know what I say, do or think.


    You’re delusional if you think Apple doesn’t know everything about
    you and the people you communicate with.

    I love the amateurs in this group ... *SCNR*

    This is what you said which I disputed. Do you honestly think Apple
    doesn’t know what you say, do or think? So long as you are using their device and connected to the internet they absolutely do.

    Now tell me why I am wrong…

    What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without
    evidence. - Hitchens's razor

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
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    JR

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to nospam on Mon Jun 5 16:23:52 2023
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <u5kh55$b30v$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    You¹re delusional if you think Apple doesn¹t know everything about you and
    the people you communicate with.

    I love the amateurs in this group ... *SCNR*


    This is what you said which I disputed. Do you honestly think Apple doesn¹t >> know what you say, do or think? So long as you are using their device and
    connected to the internet they absolutely do.

    they do not.

    Now tell me why I am wrongŠ

    encryption, which means they *can't* know what you say, do or think.

    btw, what technology is it that can determine and track what people
    think? that seems like something that could be useful, if it existed.
    since it doesn't, it's not possible for apple or anyone else to collect
    it.

    also, apple has said that they aren't interested in that information.

    do you really think apple is collecting everything people say, do and
    think for their more than 1 billion users on a continual basis? do you
    have any idea how much data that would be? and what possible purpose
    would it serve?


    Apple knows how you use all their apps and services, even you have told us that. They probably know how you use other apps as well. On top of that any email and iMessage which goes through their servers can be accessed if necessary. Any photos, notes, health data, etc. is ready to be accessed.
    Just do a backup and they have it all. We already know law enforcement can force them to provide it so they obviously have the ability to look into
    your data.

    Apple apologists blindly believe everything Apple tells them. Use your
    common sense rather than what you heard Apple say. If you’re connected then assume you have no privacy, and it starts with your ISP and device manufacturer.

    As for what you’re thinking, it’s easy to figure that out by putting together all the other information.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com on Mon Jun 5 13:08:43 2023
    In article <u5l26n$clvr$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    Apple knows how you use all their apps and services, even you have told us that.

    they know how you use their services since they're providing the
    service. that's the same for any business.

    amazon knows what you bought. your credit card company knows what you
    bought. the local pub knows what you like to drink. et cetera.

    They probably know how you use other apps as well.

    they do not.

    On top of that any
    email and iMessage which goes through their servers can be accessed if necessary. Any photos, notes, health data, etc. is ready to be accessed.
    Just do a backup and they have it all.

    nope.

    first of all, they can only access that data in response to a
    legitimate court order *and* with multiple sign-offs.

    absent that, the data can't be accessed, even if they wanted to (which
    they don't).

    if a rogue employee tries to bypass anything to gain access, they will
    be fired on the spot, escorted out, and need a lawyer to deal with the
    trouble they'll be in. apple doesn't fuck around.

    some data, including health data and keychain, is encrypted with a
    secondary key which apple does *not* have, so even with a court order,
    that data is *not* available.

    if the user enables advanced data protection, apple won't have the keys
    to anything, which means not even a court order will work.

    We already know law enforcement can
    force them to provide it so they obviously have the ability to look into
    your data.

    the fbi disagrees, as do numerous law enforcement agencies.

    recall when the fbi wanted to sue apple to force them to modify ios so
    that the data of the san bernardino shooter could be accessed, to which
    apple said ain't gonna happen.

    ultimately, the fbi somehow 'figured out' how to do it on their own (by
    using a third party company and a known exploit) after having testified
    under oath that they had 'tried everything' and apple was their only
    option (what was clearly a blatant lie).

    Apple apologists blindly believe everything Apple tells them.

    ad hominem, and false.

    Use your
    common sense rather than what you heard Apple say.

    what part of encryption is not clear?

    encryption is math, not anything apple said.

    If you¹re connected then
    assume you have no privacy, and it starts with your ISP and device manufacturer.

    that's where encryption comes into play, and the isp is a separate
    issue, unrelated to apple.

    you're also ignoring what the data miners collect, including google,
    the company that makes android.

    google collects *far* more data than apple does:

    <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/android-sends-20x-more-data-to- google-than-ios-sends-to-apple-study-says/>
    Where Android stands out, Leith said, is in the amount of data it
    collects. At startup, an Android device sends Google about 1MB of
    data, compared with iOS sending Apple around 42KB. When idle,
    Android sends roughly 1MB of data to Google every 12 hours,
    compared with iOS sending Apple about 52KB over the same period.
    In the US alone, Android collectively gathers about 1.3TB of data
    every 12 hours. During the same period, iOS collects about 5.8GB.

    As for what you¹re thinking, it¹s easy to figure that out by putting
    together all the other information.

    not really.

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 5 19:32:00 2023
    Am 05.06.23 um 18:23 schrieb badgolferman:
    Apple knows how you use all their apps and services, even you have told us that. They probably know how you use other apps as well. On top of that any email and iMessage which goes through their servers can be accessed if necessary.

    You have not minimal knowledge of Apple-policy and how the system works.
    I told you that Apple is the only American tech-company offering E2E-encryption. That includes all these services excluding mail for
    technical reasons.

    You have absolutely no clue but a lot of FUD and conspiracy theories.

    --
    De gustibus non est disputandum

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Mon Jun 5 18:12:19 2023
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 04.06.23 um 22:54 schrieb Chris:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    Apple makes their money selling you DEVICES.

    That doesn't mean they don't track user activity for their own purposes:
    service improvement, user stories, etc.

    Why are you using then macOS or iOS in the first place?

    Because I like them?

    If you do not like it defect to $MS$ or Google Android and Chrome!
    *ROTFLSTC*

    I'm just not naive. I also can tell the difference between being as sold as
    a product and buying a product. Google is the former and Apple the latter.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Jun 5 18:12:19 2023
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-06-04 13:54, Chris wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-06-04 03:47, badgolferman wrote:
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 04.06.23 um 11:09 schrieb Chris:


    It just now suggested "hing" as a word instead of "home". That's not >>>>>> unusual as it often suggests words that don't exist. Yesterday it refused
    to suggest a plural over a possessive when the former was obviously the >>>>>> correct option.

    Together with siri Apple needs to overhaul autocorrect.

    I do not use auto-correct on my phone because in a multilingual
    environment it is useless anyway.

    It is quite different on a Mac depending on the used software.

    SIRI? Useless for the same reasons. She speaks a little bit of English >>>>> but that it is ist. I do not want Apple to know what I say, do or think. >>>>>

    You’re delusional if you think Apple doesn’t know everything about you and
    the people you communicate with.



    Apple makes their money selling you DEVICES.

    That doesn't mean they don't track user activity for their own purposes:
    service improvement, user stories, etc.

    Google makes their money selling you...

    ...to advertisers.

    I notice you don't even attempt to rebut this.

    Why would I? It's common knowledge.

    Do you acknowledge that Apple do internal analytics of users for product feedback etc? With permission and opt outs.

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Chris on Mon Jun 5 18:44:14 2023
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:


    It just now suggested "hing" as a word instead of "home". That's not
    unusual as it often suggests words that don't exist. Yesterday it refused
    to suggest a plural over a possessive when the former was obviously the correct option.

    Together with siri Apple needs to overhaul autocorrect.

    Just seen WWDC and am glad to see that Apple have answered my request.
    Looking forward to using it in ios 17 ;)

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 5 16:05:47 2023
    In article <u5l8i3$deda$3@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Google makes their money selling you...

    ...to advertisers.

    I notice you don't even attempt to rebut this.

    Why would I? It's common knowledge.

    Do you acknowledge that Apple do internal analytics of users for product feedback etc? With permission and opt outs.

    most companies and websites do, so that they can improve their products.

    the difference is that apple doesn't share or sell that info, and
    wherever possible, it's completely de-linked from the user.

    for example, map routes are split into multiple segments with the
    endpoints fuzzed so that determining someone's identity can't be
    derived from where they go.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Mon Jun 5 20:26:41 2023
    On 2023-06-05, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <u5kh55$b30v$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman
    <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    You¹re delusional if you think Apple doesn¹t know everything about >>>>> you and the people you communicate with.

    I love the amateurs in this group ... *SCNR*

    This is what you said which I disputed. Do you honestly think Apple
    doesn¹t know what you say, do or think? So long as you are using
    their device and connected to the internet they absolutely do.

    they do not.

    Now tell me why I am wrongŠ

    encryption, which means they *can't* know what you say, do or think.

    btw, what technology is it that can determine and track what people
    think? that seems like something that could be useful, if it existed.
    since it doesn't, it's not possible for apple or anyone else to
    collect it.

    also, apple has said that they aren't interested in that information.

    do you really think apple is collecting everything people say, do and
    think for their more than 1 billion users on a continual basis? do
    you have any idea how much data that would be? and what possible
    purpose would it serve?

    Apple knows how you use all their apps and services, even you have
    told us that. They probably know how you use other apps as well.

    All tech companies do basic telemetry like that to learn how customers
    use their products. The big difference you are desperate to ignore is
    that Apple doesn't turn around and sell profiles of its customers based
    on that data to the lowest bidders on advertising networks, or anyone
    else. Unlike others, and especially Google, that data stays internal to
    Apple.

    On top of that any email and iMessage which goes through their servers
    can be accessed if necessary.

    Bullshit. iMessage messages are end-to-end encrypted with keys only
    known by the sending and receiving devices. Apple and other parties have
    no chance of decrypting them.

    Any photos, notes, health data, etc. is ready to be accessed.

    Wrong again. Health data is also end-to-end encrypted and cannot be
    accessed by Apple or anyone else.

    Just do a backup and they have it all.

    Wrong again. That only applies to iCloud backups and only if Advanced
    Data Protection is not enabled. With Advanced Data Protection enabled,
    iCloud Backups are inaccessible by Apple or anyone else. Also, backups
    to a Mac or Windows PC running iTunes cannot be accessed by Apple, nor
    can they be accessed without your password if you choose to encrypt
    them.

    We already know law enforcement can force them to provide it so they obviously have the ability to look into your data.

    Not if you have Advanced Data Protection enabled, nope. It's all
    end-to-end encrypted and cannot be accessed by anyone else.

    Apple apologists blindly believe everything Apple tells them.

    Nope. Apple's privacy protections are evident in their hardware and
    software designs. They are evident in the frameworks and APIs they make available to developers. And they are evident in their public statements
    and policies.

    Meanwhile you haven't backed up *your* claims with objectively-verified evidence. So your bullshit claims are rightfully ignored. "What can be
    asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence" -
    Hitchens's razor

    Use your common sense

    "Do your research!! *SPUTTER* *SPITTLE*"

    If you’re connected then assume you have no privacy, and it starts
    with your ISP and device manufacturer.

    A ton of critical private data on Apple's devices never leaves the
    device. You want to ignore that because: troll.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 5 22:20:55 2023
    Am 05.06.23 um 20:12 schrieb Chris:
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 04.06.23 um 12:15 schrieb Chris:
    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 04.06.23 um 11:09 schrieb Chris:


    It just now suggested "hing" as a word instead of "home". That's not >>>>> unusual as it often suggests words that don't exist. Yesterday it refused >>>>> to suggest a plural over a possessive when the former was obviously the >>>>> correct option.

    Together with siri Apple needs to overhaul autocorrect.

    I do not use auto-correct on my phone because in a multilingual
    environment it is useless anyway.

    Actually, that bit works surprisingly well. I have English and français at >>> the même temps and ça marche well.

    Ne marche pas du tout en cas d'un dialecte allemand.

    Ain't that the truth!

    It's english words with swipe to type throws up some very odd suggestions >>> and stubbornly refuses to change.

    It is quite different on a Mac depending on the used software.

    SIRI? Useless for the same reasons. She speaks a little bit of English >>>> but that it is ist. I do not want Apple to know what I say, do or think. >>>
    Too late ;)

    Wisenheimer? Eine Frage des Vertrauens. Apple ist die einzige
    amerikanische Techfirma die das geniesst.

    Che?

    Multilingual environment.

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    De gustibus non est disputandum

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