• ping andy burnelli

    From badgolferman@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 14 10:28:47 2023
    Andy/Arlen,

    Are you the one who has been using my identity in other newsgroups? If so,
    then why would you do that? All signs and evidence are pointing to you but
    I am holding judgement until I hear directly from you. No answer from you
    will confirm my suspicions.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Fri Apr 14 16:52:21 2023
    On 2023-04-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Andy/Arlen,

    Are you the one who has been using my identity in other newsgroups? If
    so, then why would you do that? All signs and evidence are pointing to
    you but I am holding judgement until I hear directly from you. No
    answer from you will confirm my suspicions.

    He's been forging other people's nyms for years. Do you really think
    you're off limits just because you happen to collude with his trolls on occasion? šŸ¤£ There's no honor among thieves, as they say.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Fri Apr 14 19:10:58 2023
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2023-04-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Andy/Arlen,

    Are you the one who has been using my identity in other newsgroups? If
    so, then why would you do that? All signs and evidence are pointing to
    you but I am holding judgement until I hear directly from you. No
    answer from you will confirm my suspicions.

    He's been forging other people's nyms for years. Do you really think
    you're off limits just because you happen to collude with his trolls on occasion? šŸ¤£ There's no honor among thieves, as they say.


    I will wait to hear from Arlen. Either he will tell me the ā€œfactsā€ or his silence will be the answer I need to know.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Fri Apr 14 18:55:41 2023
    badgolferman wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2023-04-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Andy/Arlen,

    Are you the one who has been using my identity in other newsgroups? If
    so, then why would you do that? All signs and evidence are pointing to
    you but I am holding judgement until I hear directly from you. No
    answer from you will confirm my suspicions.

    He's been forging other people's nyms for years. Do you really think
    you're off limits just because you happen to collude with his trolls on
    occasion? šŸ¤£ There's no honor among thieves, as they say.


    I will wait to hear from Arlen. Either he will tell me the ā€œfactsā€ or his silence will be the answer I need to know.


    Jolly Codger is just pushing your buttons.

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Fri Apr 14 19:50:51 2023
    On 2023-04-14 12:52, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-04-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Andy/Arlen,

    Are you the one who has been using my identity in other newsgroups? If
    so, then why would you do that? All signs and evidence are pointing to
    you but I am holding judgement until I hear directly from you. No
    answer from you will confirm my suspicions.

    He's been forging other people's nyms for years. Do you really think
    you're off limits just because you happen to collude with his trolls on occasion? šŸ¤£ There's no honor among thieves, as they say.

    Speaking the truth to those who can't handle the truth ... not sure it's
    worth the bandwidth ...

    --
    ā€œDonald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
    danger to American democracy.ā€
    - J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
    - Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
    committee

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Fri Apr 14 16:59:32 2023
    On 2023-04-14 12:10, badgolferman wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2023-04-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Andy/Arlen,

    Are you the one who has been using my identity in other newsgroups? If
    so, then why would you do that? All signs and evidence are pointing to
    you but I am holding judgement until I hear directly from you. No
    answer from you will confirm my suspicions.

    He's been forging other people's nyms for years. Do you really think
    you're off limits just because you happen to collude with his trolls on
    occasion? šŸ¤£ There's no honor among thieves, as they say.


    I will wait to hear from Arlen. Either he will tell me the ā€œfactsā€ or his silence will be the answer I need to know.


    Or he'll simply lie...

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Sat Apr 15 18:09:56 2023
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2023-04-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Andy/Arlen,

    Are you the one who has been using my identity in other newsgroups? If
    so, then why would you do that? All signs and evidence are pointing to
    you but I am holding judgement until I hear directly from you. No
    answer from you will confirm my suspicions.

    He's been forging other people's nyms for years. Do you really think
    you're off limits just because you happen to collude with his trolls on
    occasion? šŸ¤£ There's no honor among thieves, as they say.


    I will wait to hear from Arlen. Either he will tell me the ā€œfactsā€ or his silence will be the answer I need to know.



    Arlen, your silence is speaking volumes. I know youā€™re in this room. Just come clean with me and it will be forgiven.

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  • From William Stickers@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Sat Apr 15 20:17:37 2023
    badgolferman wrote:

    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2023-04-14, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Andy/Arlen,

    Are you the one who has been using my identity in other newsgroups? If >>> so, then why would you do that? All signs and evidence are pointing to >>> you but I am holding judgement until I hear directly from you. No
    answer from you will confirm my suspicions.

    He's been forging other people's nyms for years. Do you really think
    you're off limits just because you happen to collude with his trolls on
    occasion? ? There's no honor among thieves, as they say.


    I will wait to hear from Arlen. Either he will tell me the ?facts? or his silence will be the answer I need to know.



    Arlen, your silence is speaking volumes. I know you?re in this room. Just come clean with me and it will be forgiven.

    No it won't.

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  • From Bob Campbell@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Sat Apr 15 23:28:09 2023
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Andy/Arlen,

    Are you the one who has been using my identity in other newsgroups? If so, then why would you do that? All signs and evidence are pointing to you but
    I am holding judgement until I hear directly from you. No answer from you will confirm my suspicions.

    Why do you expect an absurd, lying, disgusting kiddie troll to suddenly act like an adult and admit that he is - in fact - an absurd, lying, disgusting kiddie troll?

    This is exactly what children do. Run and hide. They donā€™t come forward
    and admit to anything. They deny, deny, deny. So even if the iTroll
    does appear here, he will of course deny it.

    Meanwhile, you are just giving him even more attention.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Bob Campbell on Sun Apr 16 01:03:27 2023
    On 2023-04-15, Bob Campbell <none@none.none> wrote:
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Andy/Arlen,

    Are you the one who has been using my identity in other newsgroups?
    If so, then why would you do that? All signs and evidence are
    pointing to you but I am holding judgement until I hear directly from
    you. No answer from you will confirm my suspicions.

    Why do you expect an absurd, lying, disgusting kiddie troll to
    suddenly act like an adult and admit that he is - in fact - an absurd,
    lying, disgusting kiddie troll?

    This is exactly what children do. Run and hide. They donā€™t come
    forward and admit to anything. They deny, deny, deny. So even if
    the iTroll does appear here, he will of course deny it.

    Meanwhile, you are just giving him even more attention.

    They are in this together, if you haven't figured it out yet. Horrible
    Golfer Dude often participates and collaborates in Arlen's lame trolls,
    taking a position of supporting Arlen when others in the Apple
    newsgroups call out their bullshit. He expects Arlen to side with him
    because he's essentially in the same clique.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sun Apr 16 01:17:43 2023
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    They are in this together, if you haven't figured it out yet. Horrible
    Golfer Dude often participates and collaborates in Arlen's lame
    trolls, taking a position of supporting Arlen when others in the Apple >newsgroups call out their bullshit. He expects Arlen to side with him
    because he's essentially in the same clique.

    In case no one has told you, you are a terrible judge of character.
    That's probably because you have none of your own.

    --
    "Why hate someone for the color of their skin when there are much
    better reasons to hate them." ~ Denis Leary

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Sun Apr 16 01:46:40 2023
    On 2023-04-16, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    They are in this together, if you haven't figured it out yet.
    Horrible Golfer Dude often participates and collaborates in Arlen's
    lame trolls, taking a position of supporting Arlen when others in the
    Apple newsgroups call out their bullshit. He expects Arlen to side
    with him because he's essentially in the same clique.

    In case no one has told you, you are a terrible judge of character.
    That's probably because you have none of your own.

    On the contrary, I judge people by their actions. It is a fact that you
    very often side with Arlen and sms in their most juvenile and lame
    trolls. As just two of many examples, you are on record regularly
    trolling these newsgroups about the fact that Apple dared to release a
    new color of iPhone recently, and trolling the fact that a recent iOS
    minor update included updated emojis - in both cases belittling Apple's customers. Your trolls are juvenile and lame, and line up exactly with
    Arlen's trolls where he also insults people who dare to use Apple
    products. You aren't fooling anyone here. It's quite easy to judge your character by your actions, Horrible Golfer. You can complain all you
    want, but it won't change the fact that your lame trolls are exactly
    aligned with Arlen and sms.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From William Stickers@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sun Apr 16 10:33:00 2023
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    On 2023-04-16, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    They are in this together, if you haven't figured it out yet.
    Horrible Golfer Dude often participates and collaborates in Arlen's
    lame trolls, taking a position of supporting Arlen when others in the
    Apple newsgroups call out their bullshit. He expects Arlen to side
    with him because he's essentially in the same clique.

    In case no one has told you, you are a terrible judge of character.
    That's probably because you have none of your own.

    On the contrary, I judge people by their actions. It is a fact that you
    very often side with Arlen and sms in their most juvenile and lame
    trolls. As just two of many examples, you are on record regularly
    trolling these newsgroups about the fact that Apple dared to release a
    new color of iPhone recently, and trolling the fact that a recent iOS
    minor update included updated emojis - in both cases belittling Apple's customers. Your trolls are juvenile and lame, and line up exactly with Arlen's trolls where he also insults people who dare to use Apple
    products. You aren't fooling anyone here. It's quite easy to judge your character by your actions, Horrible Golfer. You can complain all you
    want, but it won't change the fact that your lame trolls are exactly
    aligned with Arlen and sms.

    So far as I know badgolferman doesn't forge, he doesn't
    nymshift and he doesn't crosspost to other groups to
    troll.

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to William Stickers on Sun Apr 16 12:46:06 2023
    William Stickers wrote:

    Jolly Roger wrote:

    On 2023-04-16, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com>
    wrote: > Jolly Roger wrote:

    They are in this together, if you haven't figured it out yet.
    Horrible Golfer Dude often participates and collaborates in
    Arlen's >> lame trolls, taking a position of supporting Arlen when
    others in the >> Apple newsgroups call out their bullshit. He
    expects Arlen to side >> with him because he's essentially in the
    same clique. >
    In case no one has told you, you are a terrible judge of
    character. > That's probably because you have none of your own.

    On the contrary, I judge people by their actions. It is a fact
    that you very often side with Arlen and sms in their most juvenile
    and lame trolls. As just two of many examples, you are on record
    regularly trolling these newsgroups about the fact that Apple
    dared to release a new color of iPhone recently, and trolling the
    fact that a recent iOS minor update included updated emojis - in
    both cases belittling Apple's customers. Your trolls are juvenile
    and lame, and line up exactly with Arlen's trolls where he also
    insults people who dare to use Apple products. You aren't fooling
    anyone here. It's quite easy to judge your character by your
    actions, Horrible Golfer. You can complain all you want, but it
    won't change the fact that your lame trolls are exactly aligned
    with Arlen and sms.

    So far as I know badgolferman doesn't forge, he doesn't
    nymshift and he doesn't crosspost to other groups to
    troll.


    I'm also not an Apple Taliban member who cannot accept any criticism of
    their Apple god.

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  • From William Stickers@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Sun Apr 16 15:02:48 2023
    badgolferman wrote:

    William Stickers wrote:

    Jolly Roger wrote:

    On 2023-04-16, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com>
    wrote: > Jolly Roger wrote:

    They are in this together, if you haven't figured it out yet.
    Horrible Golfer Dude often participates and collaborates in
    Arlen's >> lame trolls, taking a position of supporting Arlen when >>others in the >> Apple newsgroups call out their bullshit. He
    expects Arlen to side >> with him because he's essentially in the
    same clique. >
    In case no one has told you, you are a terrible judge of
    character. > That's probably because you have none of your own.

    On the contrary, I judge people by their actions. It is a fact
    that you very often side with Arlen and sms in their most juvenile
    and lame trolls. As just two of many examples, you are on record >>regularly trolling these newsgroups about the fact that Apple
    dared to release a new color of iPhone recently, and trolling the
    fact that a recent iOS minor update included updated emojis - in
    both cases belittling Apple's customers. Your trolls are juvenile
    and lame, and line up exactly with Arlen's trolls where he also
    insults people who dare to use Apple products. You aren't fooling
    anyone here. It's quite easy to judge your character by your
    actions, Horrible Golfer. You can complain all you want, but it
    won't change the fact that your lame trolls are exactly aligned
    with Arlen and sms.

    So far as I know badgolferman doesn't forge, he doesn't
    nymshift and he doesn't crosspost to other groups to
    troll.


    I'm also not an Apple Taliban member who cannot accept any criticism of
    their Apple god.

    Most of my family and I have android phones. A couple
    have iphones. We don't criticise each other about our
    choice of phones. That would be stupid and pointless.
    Grow up. If you can't grow up, at least don't nymshift so
    you can be easily killfiled.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Sun Apr 16 06:57:52 2023
    On 4/15/2023 6:17 PM, badgolferman wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    They are in this together, if you haven't figured it out yet. Horrible
    Golfer Dude often participates and collaborates in Arlen's lame
    trolls, taking a position of supporting Arlen when others in the Apple
    newsgroups call out their bullshit. He expects Arlen to side with him
    because he's essentially in the same clique.

    In case no one has told you, you are a terrible judge of character.
    That's probably because you have none of your own.

    Geez, why don't you just filter out "Arlen/Andy/Dean" and "Jolly Roger"
    and be done with it. Along with "nospam" they are the worst of the worst
    in terms of anonymous trolls that never provide any value.

    --
    ā€œIf you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.ā€ā€”Tin Foil Awards

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Sun Apr 16 09:11:49 2023
    On 2023-04-16 05:46, badgolferman wrote:
    William Stickers wrote:

    Jolly Roger wrote:

    On 2023-04-16, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com>
    wrote: > Jolly Roger wrote:

    They are in this together, if you haven't figured it out yet.
    Horrible Golfer Dude often participates and collaborates in
    Arlen's >> lame trolls, taking a position of supporting Arlen when
    others in the >> Apple newsgroups call out their bullshit. He
    expects Arlen to side >> with him because he's essentially in the
    same clique. >
    In case no one has told you, you are a terrible judge of
    character. > That's probably because you have none of your own.

    On the contrary, I judge people by their actions. It is a fact
    that you very often side with Arlen and sms in their most juvenile
    and lame trolls. As just two of many examples, you are on record
    regularly trolling these newsgroups about the fact that Apple
    dared to release a new color of iPhone recently, and trolling the
    fact that a recent iOS minor update included updated emojis - in
    both cases belittling Apple's customers. Your trolls are juvenile
    and lame, and line up exactly with Arlen's trolls where he also
    insults people who dare to use Apple products. You aren't fooling
    anyone here. It's quite easy to judge your character by your
    actions, Horrible Golfer. You can complain all you want, but it
    won't change the fact that your lame trolls are exactly aligned
    with Arlen and sms.

    So far as I know badgolferman doesn't forge, he doesn't
    nymshift and he doesn't crosspost to other groups to
    troll.


    I'm also not an Apple Taliban member who cannot accept any criticism of
    their Apple god.

    LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to William Stickers on Sun Apr 16 17:12:44 2023
    William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> wrote:
    badgolferman wrote:

    William Stickers wrote:

    Jolly Roger wrote:

    On 2023-04-16, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com>
    wrote: > Jolly Roger wrote:

    They are in this together, if you haven't figured it out yet.
    Horrible Golfer Dude often participates and collaborates in
    Arlen's >> lame trolls, taking a position of supporting Arlen when
    others in the >> Apple newsgroups call out their bullshit. He
    expects Arlen to side >> with him because he's essentially in the
    same clique. >
    In case no one has told you, you are a terrible judge of
    character. > That's probably because you have none of your own.

    On the contrary, I judge people by their actions. It is a fact
    that you very often side with Arlen and sms in their most juvenile
    and lame trolls. As just two of many examples, you are on record
    regularly trolling these newsgroups about the fact that Apple
    dared to release a new color of iPhone recently, and trolling the
    fact that a recent iOS minor update included updated emojis - in
    both cases belittling Apple's customers. Your trolls are juvenile
    and lame, and line up exactly with Arlen's trolls where he also
    insults people who dare to use Apple products. You aren't fooling
    anyone here. It's quite easy to judge your character by your
    actions, Horrible Golfer. You can complain all you want, but it
    won't change the fact that your lame trolls are exactly aligned
    with Arlen and sms.

    So far as I know badgolferman doesn't forge, he doesn't
    nymshift and he doesn't crosspost to other groups to
    troll.


    I'm also not an Apple Taliban member who cannot accept any criticism of
    their Apple god.

    Most of my family and I have android phones. A couple
    have iphones. We don't criticise each other about our
    choice of phones. That would be stupid and pointless.
    Grow up. If you can't grow up, at least don't nymshift so
    you can be easily killfiled.


    William Stickers, I am unfamiliar with you, but I will give you the benefit
    of the doubt. I donā€™t know if youā€™ve been in this group long, but I have been a iPhone user since the 4 model and now have a 14. I have also bought numerous iPhones for my wife and kids during that time so Iā€™ve been using iPhones and paying Apple a lot of money over the years.

    During my time in this newsgroup I have occasionally lamented the loss of features and functionality with new models and new iOS updates. I also
    found the 21 new emojis and yellow iPhone amusing. That instantly brings on
    the wrath of people like Jolly Roger who will instantly insult the
    character of anyone who dares question Apple, and the nonchalant dismissal
    by nospam with comments like ā€œnot neededā€ or ā€œno one wants itā€. These two
    and a couple more are the Apple Taliban who will defend anything Apple does
    to the death, regardless of whether they believe it or not.

    For this reason every time I post a news article about Apple which I find interesting, Jolly Roger instantly insults me and calls me a troll. To some extent I can understand his sensitivity to any news he considers placing
    Apple in a negative light, but he is extremely rude and demeaning, just
    like a juvenile testing their limits. It doesnā€™t help that Arlen has pegged him to a tee, so he will lash out at anyone who dares question Appleā€™s decisions.

    So to return to your comment, I am not Arlen and I donā€™t nymshift. I am merely one more person on this group who is resistant to the constant
    changes Apple makes to their phones. Maybe itā€™s because Iā€™m old and donā€™t like change, or maybe itā€™s because I miss the functionality I had gotten
    used to and enjoyed. In any case, I will have to adapt to their changes
    because there are apps I use on iOS which are not available on Android and
    I donā€™t want to learn a new operating system.

    This thread is not about me so much as itā€™s about Arlen impersonating me. Since we have not heard directly from him I can only assume that he is
    truly the one who stooped to such underhanded measures to gain acceptance. Iā€™m sad to say it has backfired and Iā€™m quite disappointed in what he has done and his lack of accountability so far. I still hope to hear his explanation and a promise to not do that anymore.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to William Stickers on Sun Apr 16 17:57:33 2023
    On 2023-04-16, William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> wrote:
    badgolferman wrote:

    I'm also not an Apple Taliban member who cannot accept any criticism
    of their Apple god.

    Most of my family and I have android phones. A couple have iphones. We
    don't criticise each other about our choice of phones. That would be
    stupid and pointless. Grow up. If you can't grow up, at least don't
    nymshift so you can be easily killfiled.

    badgolderman and his little troll clique love to call everyone here who
    calls out their lame trolls "Apple Taliban". The rest of their trolls
    are just as juvenile in nature.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to William Stickers on Sun Apr 16 17:53:50 2023
    On 2023-04-16, William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-04-16, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    They are in this together, if you haven't figured it out yet.
    Horrible Golfer Dude often participates and collaborates in
    Arlen's lame trolls, taking a position of supporting Arlen when
    others in the Apple newsgroups call out their bullshit. He expects
    Arlen to side with him because he's essentially in the same
    clique.

    In case no one has told you, you are a terrible judge of character.
    That's probably because you have none of your own.

    On the contrary, I judge people by their actions. It is a fact that
    you very often side with Arlen and sms in their most juvenile and
    lame trolls. As just two of many examples, you are on record
    regularly trolling these newsgroups about the fact that Apple dared
    to release a new color of iPhone recently, and trolling the fact that
    a recent iOS minor update included updated emojis - in both cases
    belittling Apple's customers. Your trolls are juvenile and lame, and
    line up exactly with Arlen's trolls where he also insults people who
    dare to use Apple products. You aren't fooling anyone here. It's
    quite easy to judge your character by your actions, Horrible Golfer.
    You can complain all you want, but it won't change the fact that your
    lame trolls are exactly aligned with Arlen and sms.

    So far as I know badgolferman doesn't forge, he doesn't nymshift and
    he doesn't crosspost to other groups to troll.

    He trolls right here in the Apple newsgroups, and always sides with
    Arlen, sms, and their respective nyms when they also troll. As recent
    examples, badgolferman has repeatedly trolled about the fact that Apple recently dared to release a new yellow colored iPhone variant, and that
    a recent minor iOS update contained new emojis while belittling Apple
    customers who dared to like them. Of course badgolferman won't admit to
    these trolls, but they are on record for anyone who just looks, and
    won't just be swept under the rug.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to sms on Sun Apr 16 18:28:18 2023
    On 2023-04-16, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    On 4/15/2023 6:17 PM, badgolferman wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    They are in this together, if you haven't figured it out yet.
    Horrible Golfer Dude often participates and collaborates in Arlen's
    lame trolls, taking a position of supporting Arlen when others in
    the Apple newsgroups call out their bullshit. He expects Arlen to
    side with him because he's essentially in the same clique.

    In case no one has told you, you are a terrible judge of character.
    That's probably because you have none of your own.

    Geez, why don't you just filter out "Arlen/Andy/Dean" and "Jolly
    Roger" and be done with it. Along with "nospam" they are the worst of
    the worst in terms of anonymous trolls that never provide any value.

    Filtering out those who object to his lame trolls would undermine the
    purpose of his trolling: to get a rise out of those who wish he would
    just go away.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Sun Apr 16 18:26:38 2023
    On 2023-04-16, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> wrote:
    badgolferman wrote:
    William Stickers wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-04-16, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Jolly Roger wrote:

    They are in this together, if you haven't figured it out yet.
    Horrible Golfer Dude often participates and collaborates in
    Arlen's lame trolls, taking a position of supporting Arlen when
    others in the >> Apple newsgroups call out their bullshit. He
    expects Arlen to side >> with him because he's essentially in
    the same clique.

    In case no one has told you, you are a terrible judge of
    character. That's probably because you have none of your own.

    On the contrary, I judge people by their actions. It is a fact
    that you very often side with Arlen and sms in their most
    juvenile and lame trolls. As just two of many examples, you are
    on record regularly trolling these newsgroups about the fact that
    Apple dared to release a new color of iPhone recently, and
    trolling the fact that a recent iOS minor update included updated
    emojis - in both cases belittling Apple's customers. Your trolls
    are juvenile and lame, and line up exactly with Arlen's trolls
    where he also insults people who dare to use Apple products. You
    aren't fooling anyone here. It's quite easy to judge your
    character by your actions, Horrible Golfer. You can complain all
    you want, but it won't change the fact that your lame trolls are
    exactly aligned with Arlen and sms.

    So far as I know badgolferman doesn't forge, he doesn't nymshift
    and he doesn't crosspost to other groups to troll.

    I'm also not an Apple Taliban member who cannot accept any criticism
    of their Apple god.

    Most of my family and I have android phones. A couple have iphones.
    We don't criticise each other about our choice of phones. That would
    be stupid and pointless. Grow up. If you can't grow up, at least
    don't nymshift so you can be easily killfiled.

    William Stickers, I am unfamiliar with you, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I donā€™t know if youā€™ve been in this group long, but I have been a iPhone user since the 4 model and now have a 14. I have also bought numerous iPhones for my wife and kids during that time so Iā€™ve been using iPhones and paying Apple a lot of money over the years.

    Many of us have been Apple customers for a long time as well. And this
    isn't relevant to the topic of your trolling here.

    During my time in this newsgroup I have occasionally lamented the loss of features and functionality with new models and new iOS updates.

    As have others, including me and nospam who you constantly call juvenile
    names like "Apple Taliban" when we point out the inaccuracies and
    outright lies in your trolls.

    I also found the 21 new emojis and yellow iPhone amusing.

    What badgolferman wants you to ignore is that he and Arlen have made
    several posts making juvenile jokes about Apple's release of a yellow
    iPhone and a minor iOS update containing new emojis, each time
    insinuating this must mean Apple makes products for dimwits and
    belittling people who might dare to appreciate them, which is a bit more
    than simply finding them amusing.

    That instantly brings on the wrath of people like Jolly Roger who will instantly insult the character of anyone who dares question Apple

    badgolferman doesn't want to own up to the fact that his little troll
    gang did much more than simply question Apple, which is on record for
    all to see - some examples, where you can clearly see badgolferman,
    Arlen, and other nyms colluding to troll the newsgroup about these
    utterly petty things:

    <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/_f5Zfd_Ocqk> <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/zhkVOxjUdM0> <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/127eLy0ZQro> <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/zhkVOxjUdM0>

    and the nonchalant dismissal by nospam with comments like ā€œnot neededā€
    or ā€œno one wants itā€.

    Here badgolferman is purposely trying to mischaracterize what nospam and
    others have actually said, which is that the reason Apple chooses not to
    add certain features is likely because Apple knows those features aren't
    wanted by a significantly large portion of customers. It's part of the
    troll clique's modus operandi to mischaracterize legitimate viewpoints
    in conversations here to make them seem more outlandish than they really
    are.

    These two and a couple more are the Apple Taliban who will defend
    anything Apple does to the death, regardless of whether they believe
    it or not.

    badgolferman wants to paint those who object to his troll clique's lame
    posts as "Apple Taliban" (Apple apologists), even though many of those
    who object actually do point out flaws in Apple products from time to
    time.

    For this reason every time I post a news article about Apple which I
    find interesting, Jolly Roger instantly insults me and calls me a
    troll.To some extent I can understand his sensitivity to any news he considers placing Apple in a negative light

    That's because your intent is what matters: you do it to troll,
    belittle, and disrupt. You *are* a troll.

    but he is extremely rude and demeaning

    Only to trolls. You just can't take your own medicine.

    Arlen has pegged him to a tee

    Note how badgolferman sides with the absolute worst nym-switching
    cowardly troll in the Apple newsgroups, yet again.

    so he will lash out at anyone who dares question Appleā€™s
    decisions.

    Only those who troll about them. I have no problem with genuine
    discussion about flaws in Apple products. And yellow iPhones and emojis
    aren't among those flaws.

    So to return to your comment, I am not Arlen and I donā€™t nymshift. I
    am merely one more person on this group who is resistant to the
    constant changes Apple makes to their phones.

    You participate in and collude with juvenile Apple nym-switching trolls
    here too, and that makes you a troll yourself

    This thread is not about me so much as itā€™s about Arlen impersonating
    me. Since we have not heard directly from him I can only assume that
    he is truly the one who stooped to such underhanded measures to gain acceptance. Iā€™m sad to say it has backfired and Iā€™m quite
    disappointed in what he has done and his lack of accountability so
    far. I still hope to hear his explanation and a promise to not do that anymore.

    You are on record saying if he admits he did it you will forgive him
    despite the fact that he's been doing it to numerous people for *years*
    now. Your disapproval of Arlen's behavior is as vapid and empty as your
    own juvenile trolls here.

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  • From Bernd Froehlich@21:1/5 to sms on Mon Apr 17 06:25:56 2023
    On 16. Apr 2023 at 15:57:52 CEST, "sms" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    Geez, why don't you just filter out "Arlen/Andy/Dean" and "Jolly Roger"
    and be done with it. Along with "nospam" they are the worst of the worst
    in terms of anonymous trolls that never provide any value.

    Actually Jolly Roger occasionally contributes something useful.
    Unfortunately his signal/noise ratio is so bad that I filter him out.

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  • From sms@21:1/5 to Bernd Froehlich on Mon Apr 17 08:51:46 2023
    On 4/16/2023 11:25 PM, Bernd Froehlich wrote:
    On 16. Apr 2023 at 15:57:52 CEST, "sms" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    Geez, why don't you just filter out "Arlen/Andy/Dean" and "Jolly Roger"
    and be done with it. Along with "nospam" they are the worst of the worst
    in terms of anonymous trolls that never provide any value.

    Actually Jolly Roger occasionally contributes something useful.
    Unfortunately his signal/noise ratio is so bad that I filter him out.

    That's the problem with a lot of the other trolls as well. It's like
    "the boy who cried wolf" story, eventually no one believes, or listens,
    to them even when they might have something true to contribute.

    --
    ā€œIf you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
    really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
    indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
    they do about the subject.ā€ā€”Tin Foil Awards

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to scharf.steven@geemail.com on Mon Apr 17 12:02:28 2023
    In article <u1jpui$33f9d$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    That's the problem with a lot of the other trolls as well. It's like
    "the boy who cried wolf" story, eventually no one believes, or listens,
    to them even when they might have something true to contribute.

    projection.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Bernd Froehlich on Mon Apr 17 16:59:34 2023
    On 2023-04-17, Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> wrote:
    On 16. Apr 2023 at 15:57:52 CEST, "sms" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    Geez, why don't you just filter out "Arlen/Andy/Dean" and "Jolly
    Roger" and be done with it. Along with "nospam" they are the worst of
    the worst in terms of anonymous trolls that never provide any value.

    Actually Jolly Roger occasionally contributes something useful.
    Unfortunately his signal/noise ratio is so bad that I filter him out.

    If you pay the slightest bit of attention, you'll see that the "noise" I generate here is strictly limited to responding to disinformation and
    lies told by the actual trolls. I don't go to non-Apple newsgroups to
    lie about other products or belittle their users, and if not for the
    regular and dedicated trolls here spreading lies about all things Apple,
    you wouldn't see me correcting that disinformation. If you have a
    problem distinguishing between actual trolls and those who correct their
    lies, that's a problem only you can solve. šŸ˜‰

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to sms on Mon Apr 17 16:47:29 2023
    On 2023-04-17, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
    On 4/16/2023 11:25 PM, Bernd Froehlich wrote:
    On 16. Apr 2023 at 15:57:52 CEST, "sms" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote: >>
    Geez, why don't you just filter out "Arlen/Andy/Dean" and "Jolly
    Roger" and be done with it. Along with "nospam" they are the worst
    of the worst in terms of anonymous trolls that never provide any
    value.

    Actually Jolly Roger occasionally contributes something useful.
    Unfortunately his signal/noise ratio is so bad that I filter him out.

    That's the problem with a lot of the other trolls as well. It's like
    "the boy who cried wolf" story, eventually no one believes, or
    listens, to them even when they might have something true to
    contribute.

    Unlike you, who just lies pretty much all of the time, like when you
    claimed Face ID doesn't work well in the dark šŸ¤” (something you still
    haven't acknowledged is 100% incorrect), or when Arlen bloviated about Android's supposed ability to do sonic file transfers šŸ¤”, all while
    ragging on iOS.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to nospam on Mon Apr 17 16:54:52 2023
    On 2023-04-17, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <u1jpui$33f9d$1@dont-email.me>, sms
    <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

    That's the problem with a lot of the other trolls as well. It's like
    "the boy who cried wolf" story, eventually no one believes, or
    listens, to them even when they might have something true to
    contribute.

    projection.

    Like any bully/troll, sms claims the people here who don't put up with
    his nonsense are "the real trolls". Meanwhile, he is so dedicated to
    spreading lies and disinformation about Apple that he has created and
    regularly posts links to a multi-paged Google Docs document full of his
    little lies, and refuses to acknowledge anyone who points out its
    inaccuracies (much less correct them).

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