https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/02/nyregion/manhattan-gay-bars-drugging-murders.html

The families of Mr. Ramirez and Mr. Umberger also discovered that money had been taken from their financial accounts, using facial recognition
technology on their phones.

How do you think it happened?
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Jim S <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/02/nyregion/manhattan-gay-bars-drugging-murders.html

The families of Mr. Ramirez and Mr. Umberger also discovered that money had been taken from their financial accounts, using facial recognition
technology on their phones.

How do you think it happened?

Probably used the victim's face while drugged up to reset FaceID to the attacker's face instead.

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On 2023-04-03 00:22, Jim S wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/02/nyregion/manhattan-gay-bars-drugging-murders.html

The families of Mr. Ramirez and Mr. Umberger also discovered that money had been taken from their financial accounts, using facial recognition
technology on their phones.

How do you think it happened?

First off it's not even clear that facial recognition was used. It's a
claim by the family.

It's plausible that they used the feature, and as Chris points out, then
used it to "authorize" the phone with someone else's face.

Lastly, it's not clear what kind of phone was used.

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On 2023-04-03, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

Jim S <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/02/nyregion/manhattan-gay-bars-drugging-murders.html

The families of Mr. Ramirez and Mr. Umberger also discovered that
money had been taken from their financial accounts, using facial
recognition technology on their phones.

How do you think it happened?

Probably used the victim's face while drugged up to reset FaceID to
the attacker's face instead.

That's what I suspect as well.

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On 2023-04-03, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-03 00:22, Jim S wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/02/nyregion/manhattan-gay-bars-drugging-murders.html

The families of Mr. Ramirez and Mr. Umberger also discovered that
money had been taken from their financial accounts, using facial
recognition technology on their phones.

How do you think it happened?

First off it's not even clear that facial recognition was used. It's
a claim by the family.

It's plausible that they used the feature, and as Chris points out,
then used it to "authorize" the phone with someone else's face.

It's possible they simply had the victims unlock their devices with
their faces during their drug-and-alcohol-induced stupor before losing consciousness.

Lastly, it's not clear what kind of phone was used.

Interestingly, this wasn't cross-posted to the Android newsgroup.
Hmmm... ; )

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On 2023-04-03 14:23, Chris wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-03, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

Lastly, it's not clear what kind of phone was used.

Interestingly, this wasn't cross-posted to the Android newsgroup.
Hmmm... ; )

Everyone knows it's trivial to circumvent any facial recognition on Android :p

It is. When my son showed me the feature on his Android phone, I pulled
up a photo of him on my phone and promptly unlocked his phone with it.

To be fair, this was a very early implementation of such - about 10
years ago. not sure if the Android stuff has improved (I believe it's manufacturer specific too...).

Anyway, his brief crossover to Android was short lived.

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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-03, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-03 00:22, Jim S wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/02/nyregion/manhattan-gay-bars-drugging-murders.html

The families of Mr. Ramirez and Mr. Umberger also discovered that
money had been taken from their financial accounts, using facial
recognition technology on their phones.

How do you think it happened?

First off it's not even clear that facial recognition was used. It's
a claim by the family.

It's plausible that they used the feature, and as Chris points out,
then used it to "authorize" the phone with someone else's face.

It's possible they simply had the victims unlock their devices with
their faces during their drug-and-alcohol-induced stupor before losing consciousness.

Lastly, it's not clear what kind of phone was used.

Interestingly, this wasn't cross-posted to the Android newsgroup.
Hmmm... ; )

Everyone knows it's trivial to circumvent any facial recognition on Android
:p

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On 2023-04-03 12:30, Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2023-04-03, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-03 00:22, Jim S wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/02/nyregion/manhattan-gay-bars-drugging-murders.html

The families of Mr. Ramirez and Mr. Umberger also discovered that
money had been taken from their financial accounts, using facial
recognition technology on their phones.

How do you think it happened?

First off it's not even clear that facial recognition was used. It's
a claim by the family.

It's plausible that they used the feature, and as Chris points out,
then used it to "authorize" the phone with someone else's face.

It's possible they simply had the victims unlock their devices with
their faces during their drug-and-alcohol-induced stupor before losing consciousness.

Yep - considered that too.

Lastly, it's not clear what kind of phone was used.

Interestingly, this wasn't cross-posted to the Android newsgroup.
Hmmm... ; )

Oh C'mon - that's just paranoid!

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danger to American democracy.”
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In article <u0f5ju$32etu$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

Lastly, it's not clear what kind of phone was used.

Interestingly, this wasn't cross-posted to the Android newsgroup.
Hmmm... ; )

Everyone knows it's trivial to circumvent any facial recognition on Android

it is, other than the pixel 4

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In article <enFWL.2012458$9sn9.789032@fx17.iad>, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

Everyone knows it's trivial to circumvent any facial recognition on Android :p

It is. When my son showed me the feature on his Android phone, I pulled
up a photo of him on my phone and promptly unlocked his phone with it.

To be fair, this was a very early implementation of such - about 10
years ago. not sure if the Android stuff has improved (I believe it's manufacturer specific too...).

it hasn't.

the only exception is the pixel 4, which used the same technology as
apple's face id.

for reasons known only to google, they went back to fingerprints in the
pixel 5.

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