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  • "in the 1960s, liberals emptied our psych wards."

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 20 22:08:30 2023
    Mike Pence said 'liberals' emptied mental health hospitals in 1960s.
    ...
    ...

    For this fact-check, we focused on Pence's assertion that "in the
    1960s, liberals emptied our psych wards."

    Multiple experts told PolitiFact that blaming liberals, or Democrats,
    for shutting down mental health institutions is a vast
    oversimplification of a far more complicated history.

    Experts said that one of the leading figures in this effort was a
    conservative icon, Ronald Reagan, both as California's governor and as president. Other key players in the policy shift included the U.S.
    Supreme Court and governors and legislators from both parties who saw
    an opportunity to save money by shuttering inpatient institutions.

    Pence's statement is "inaccurate and unfortunate," said Daniel
    Yohanna, a University of Chicago Medical Center associate professor of psychiatry and behavioral neuroscience. Yohanna called Pence's
    statement "overly simplistic" and said it "puts blame on the people
    that have little to do with mass shootings."

    Pence's staff did not respond to inquiries for this fact-check.

    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/apr/20/mike-pence/mike-pence-said-liberals-emptied-mental-hospitals/

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  • From Eli the Bearded@21:1/5 to here@is.invalid on Fri Apr 28 20:48:20 2023
    In misc.news.internet.discuss, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:
    For this fact-check, we focused on Pence's assertion that "in the
    1960s, liberals emptied our psych wards."
    ...
    Experts said that one of the leading figures in this effort was a conservative icon, Ronald Reagan, both as California's governor and as president.

    Compared to modern Rebublicans, Saint Ronnie was a liberal. He took away
    (or limited) open carry in California, for example.

    Elijah
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    Ronnie did it because of Black Panthers exercising their rights, but did it

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to *@eli.users.panix.com on Fri Apr 28 19:36:58 2023
    On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 20:48:20 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

    Saint Ronnie was a liberal

    McCarthyism was "hitting" on the hollywood sector, which would have influenced/affected Nancy's/his perspective.

    Blacklists
    Main article: Hollywood blacklist

    On November 25, 1947, the day after the House of Representatives
    approved citations of contempt for the Hollywood Ten, Eric Johnston,
    president of the Motion Picture Association of America, issued a press
    release on behalf of the heads of the major studios that came to be
    referred to as the Waldorf Statement. This statement announced the
    firing of the Hollywood Ten and stated: "We will not knowingly employ
    a Communist or a member of any party or group which advocates the
    overthrow of the government of the United States..." This marked the
    beginning of the Hollywood blacklist. In spite of the fact that
    hundreds were denied employment, the studios, producers, and other
    employers did not publicly admit that a blacklist existed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to *@eli.users.panix.com on Fri Apr 28 19:19:01 2023
    On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 20:48:20 -0000 (UTC), Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

    Saint Ronnie was a liberal

    Once married to Nancy, he changed his ways....



    He took away (or limited) open carry in California

    Compare this to today's Republican rhetoric...

    Mulford Act
    ...
    ...
    Both Republicans and Democrats in California supported increased gun
    control, as did the National Rifle Association of America.[9][10]
    Governor Ronald Reagan, who was coincidentally present on the capitol
    lawn when the protesters arrived, later commented that he saw "no
    reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded
    weapons" and that guns were a "ridiculous way to solve problems that
    have to be solved among people of good will." In a later press
    conference, Reagan added that the Mulford Act "would work no hardship
    on the honest citizen."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to Eli the Bearded on Sat Apr 29 10:17:38 2023
    On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 20:48:20 -0000 (UTC)
    Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

    In misc.news.internet.discuss, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:
    For this fact-check, we focused on Pence's assertion that "in the
    1960s, liberals emptied our psych wards."
    ...
    Experts said that one of the leading figures in this effort was a conservative icon, Ronald Reagan, both as California's governor and as president.

    The consistent fight to reduce or remove tax-funded public services,
    from mental health to healthcare to homeless care to the rest of it,
    continues right to today. Look at the conditions being placed in
    exchange for a solution to the debt crisis. Those exact things.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 29 10:40:13 2023
    On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 10:17:38 -0400, Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com>
    wrote:

    Look at the conditions being placed in
    exchange for a solution to the debt crisis.

    Corporate tax reductions (and those with wealth), has been reduced
    over/over since later 1940s. I might add it cost more for a canidate
    to run for office, and those running, do listen to those who give $$$

    Debt - I believe most all, if not all industrial countries have this
    issue. I know this game of having more debt can increase exports and
    decrease imports when a country's currency is devaluated. I'm not an
    expert here, but I have no idea what it means for a country to be in
    debt.

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