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  • A great analogy

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 6 12:28:48 2023
    People choose to use fentanyl
    which may kill themselves
    Republican solution is to limit supply

    People choose to use guns
    to sometimes kill others
    Republican solution is more guns

    A great analogy from Jon Stewart

    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1631778123443314689

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to JAB on Tue Mar 7 00:55:39 2023
    On 3/6/2023 13:28, JAB wrote:
    People choose to use fentanyl
    which may kill themselves
    Republican solution is to limit supply

    People choose to use guns
    to sometimes kill others
    Republican solution is more guns

    There is a big difference between guns and fentanyl. Either way,
    limiting it doesn't do much good. I'm not suggesting to make it readily available, but people will get guns or drugs by any illegal means if
    they want them.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to michael.trew@att.net on Tue Mar 7 06:39:57 2023
    On Tue, 07 Mar 2023 00:55:39 -0500, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    Either way,
    limiting it doesn't do much good.

    Examine UK/Australia

    May 31, 2022 -- The US has 23 times the rate of firearm homicide seen
    in Australia.

    or

    USA

    How has the number of U.S. gun deaths changed over time?

    The 45,222 total gun deaths in 2020 were by far the most on record, representing a 14% increase from the year before, a 25% increase from
    five years earlier and a 43% increase from a decade prior.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to JAB on Tue Mar 7 16:28:29 2023
    On 3/7/2023 7:39, JAB wrote:
    The 45,222 total gun deaths in 2020 were by far the most on record, representing a 14% increase from the year before, a 25% increase from
    five years earlier and a 43% increase from a decade prior.

    I doubt this phenomenon only affected the US. It's a combination of the lock-downs plus mental health issues... which might have affected the US
    worse than many other areas.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to michael.trew@att.net on Tue Mar 7 18:51:48 2023
    On Tue, 07 Mar 2023 16:28:29 -0500, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    phenomenon

    Ah yes, too much testosterone for those involved with most mass
    shootings and gun murders.


    mental health issues

    Suicides don't bother me...

    "And while mass shooting and gun murders generally garner more media
    attention, of the total, more than half were suicides.
    ...
    ...
    In 2020, more than 19,000 of the deaths were homicides, according to
    the CDC. The figure represents a 34% increase from 2019, and a 75%
    increase over the course of the previous decade.

    The data also shows nearly 53 people are killed each day by a firearm
    in the US"

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Mar 8 13:06:29 2023
    On 2023-03-06, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:
    People choose to use fentanyl
    which may kill themselves
    Republican solution is to limit supply

    People choose to use guns
    to sometimes kill others
    Republican solution is more guns

    A great analogy from Jon Stewart

    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1631778123443314689

    Missing from the analogy is the NRA and gun lobby, whose vice-grip of
    American politicians determines the outcome. America would be
    well-served by a policy that gives clarity and transparency to the
    question: who bought this Congressperson and for how much?

    That Congressperson's talking points then probably start to make a lot
    of sense. Many of these idiots are almost certainly beholden to
    corporate gun interests. What the people say or want is then
    irrelevent.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Thu Mar 9 15:53:07 2023
    Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
    On 3/7/2023 7:39, JAB wrote:
    The 45,222 total gun deaths in 2020 were by far the most on record, representing a 14% increase from the year before, a 25% increase from
    five years earlier and a 43% increase from a decade prior.

    I doubt this phenomenon only affected the US. It's a combination of the lock-downs plus mental health issues... which might have affected the US worse than many other areas.

    45222 gun deaths in the US in 2020, 333m population = 13.6 per 100k population Roughly 50% are homicides, so 6.8 per 100k

    35 homicides by shooting in England and Wales in 2020/21, 60m population
    = 0.058 per 100k

    The figure for 2019/20 was 30, for 2018/19 32, for 2017/18 27.
    With those small numbers it's not clear that is statistically significant.

    Both US and UK were subject to lockdowns. I can't really comment on the difference in mental health services.

    Theo

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