Try a green solution to power outages

If you want a greener way to keep the lights on during a blackout, try
the EcoFlow DELTA Power Station. This portable generator has a huge
battery, and you can even recharge it with solar panels.

Unlike a gas generator, the DELTA is almost entirely silent.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/offer/deals/power-your-devices-wherever-you-are-with-this-backup-power-station/

Green "solution," who determined this?

If this battery is recharged via grid electricity using fossil fuels,
I'd say the gas generator is the green solution

If recharged via solar, I'd have to see all costs, including end of
life aspect.

For a backup generator, most are rarely used.

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JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

Unlike a gas generator, the DELTA is almost entirely silent.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/offer/deals/power-your-devices-wherever-you-are-with-this-backup-power-station/

Green "solution," who determined this?

If this battery is recharged via grid electricity using fossil fuels,
I'd say the gas generator is the green solution

Burning gasoline in a two or four stroke generator is much less efficient
than a combined cycle gas turbine, plus you get the noise and fumes locally. Not sure how it compares to coal.

In many places the grid is not entirely fossil - here in the UK, right now nationally it's 26% fossil, 74% zero carbon (it's windy, and my region is
90% zero carbon - 40 gCO2/kWh). Whereas a generator can never run on wind
or solar.

If recharged via solar, I'd have to see all costs, including end of
life aspect.

For a backup generator, most are rarely used.

Apart from the maintenance aspect of a rarely used petrol or diesel
generator, efficiency suffers when not running at peak load. A battery can span a wide range of loads with minimal dropoff of efficiency.

This kind of battery are good paired with solar panel(s) eg when camping, because you can get some charge into it during the day and then use it in
the evening. You wouldn't want to run a generator at a campsite.

Theo

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On 10 Jan 2023 22:17:50 +0000 (GMT), Theo
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

Apart from the maintenance aspect of a rarely used petrol or diesel >generator, efficiency suffers when not running at peak load.

Iinverter generators vary engine load as a function of demand. https://powerequipment.honda.com/generators/models/eu2200i

backup generator, most are rarely used.

When rarely used....an in-law has one that has been around for some
40-50 years. Seldom used...when power goes out every several years.

when camping....

Family used

1. Camping Stove
https://www.coleman.com/grills-stoves/camping-stoves

2. Gas Lantern
https://www.coleman.com/lighting/lanterns/gas-lanterns

Just two different gas devices....that's all

generator at a campsite.

In US, campsites will have a policy....from no use to a cut-off time
for usage.

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On 1/9/2023 19:16, JAB wrote:

Green "solution," who determined this?

If this battery is recharged via grid electricity using fossil fuels,
I'd say the gas generator is the green solution

The marketing people who determined this are much like the ones who
market to the electric car folks... who think that they are "going
green" by charging their cars via fossil fuel powered electricity.

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On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 09:39:50 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

The marketing people

When rarely used, I believe gas (petrol or NG) fueled inverter
generators (or plain generator if sized correctly) are prudent
investments, and a greener solution.

Marketing folks need to explain the usage specifics, and the total
life cycle cost. Too many variables here....

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On 1/11/2023 12:02, JAB wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 09:39:50 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

The marketing people

When rarely used, I believe gas (petrol or NG) fueled inverter
generators (or plain generator if sized correctly) are prudent
investments, and a greener solution.

Marketing folks need to explain the usage specifics, and the total
life cycle cost. Too many variables here....

A neighbor of mine received a quote to have a back-up NG generator
installed which could power the whole house... if the power goes it, it
cuts straight over to the generator. The quote was very high; several
thousand dollars. He didn't get it installed.

I once saw a house for sale with a private natural gas well, which
someone paid to tap into years ago. Free unlimited NG, so obviously all
of the appliances and heating were NG. In that case, I'd certainly pay
for a generator, and make my own electricity "off-grid". The downside
would be no sulfur smell in case of a NG leak, but I'd take my chances
with free gas.

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