• Elvis Presley's Jet

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 7 21:23:45 2022
    Elvis Presley's Jet Found Parked in the Desert

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfMvLF0MnSk

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Dec 8 22:16:48 2022
    On 12/7/2022 22:23, JAB wrote:
    Elvis Presley's Jet Found Parked in the Desert

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfMvLF0MnSk

    Very interesting watch. I wonder why it sat parked all of those years?
    It looks rather clean inside. It must have been updated since, with
    the cassette player, TV, and VCR -- which wouldn't have been standard
    fare when Elvis bought it in the 1970's.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to michael.trew@att.net on Thu Dec 8 22:37:19 2022
    On Thu, 08 Dec 2022 22:16:48 -0500, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    I wonder why it sat parked all of those years?

    Dry climate there...ideal for long term storage.

    Plane was a fuel guzzler....just speculating, better fuel efficient
    business aircraft came along.

    Cessna Skymaster (Cessna 337) for instance, was a nice twin engine
    craft, but fuel and maintenance costs were higher.

    Elvis's jet had four engines, which means higher maintenance and fuel
    costs.

    Elvis died, and the estate did not want it, I suspect. It was parted
    out.

    cassette player, TV, and VCR

    8-track cassette player started around later 1960s, and home VCRs in
    1963. Most likely, Elvis had that equipment installed.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to michael.trew@att.net on Sun Dec 11 11:21:58 2022
    On Thu, 08 Dec 2022 22:16:48 -0500, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    I wonder why it sat parked all of those years?

    It used turbojet engines,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_JT12

    and later models used turbofan engines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_JetStar

    FAA required quieter engines,
    https://www.faa.gov/noise/levels

    and those turbojets were not quiet, nor fuel efficient when compared
    to a turbofan.

    Today, for instance,

    Touch and Go Operations

    NO touch-and-go operations for ANY turbo jet aircraft or turbo prop
    aircraft larger than a King Air (C-12). Limited to the hours of
    0830-2000, Monday through Friday, and 0900-1800, Saturday, Sunday and
    Holidays. Touch-and-go operations restricted to four with a two-hour
    period. https://montereyairport.specialdistrict.org/noise-abatement-recommendations

    A history of jet noise research at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration

    This paper reviews jet noise research conducted at the National
    Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) from the early 1950s to
    the present day. Research conducted by NASA's predecessor, the
    National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics (NACA), and during the
    early years of NASA focused on turbojet noise, where a common approach
    for reducing jet noise was to limit the jet exit velocity to speeds
    that provided acceptable noise levels. Suppressors tested during this
    time resulted in thrust losses that were too severe to be implemented.
    With the introduction of turbofan engines in the 1960s, NASA shifted
    research to programs for both subsonic and supersonic aircraft
    applications with specific noise reduction goals. Subsonic research
    focused on increasing the bypass ratio of the engine to reduce the jet
    exit velocity of the core exhaust and adding mixers to the dual
    exhaust streams. Advances in computational methods improved
    aerodynamic designs and jet noise prediction tools. Supersonic
    applications proved to be more troublesome as programs aimed at large commercial transports required higher specific thrust engines.
    Changing the engine cycle to reduce jet noise was not compatible with
    mission range and speed requirements. Research for supersonic
    commercial aircraft remains an area of interest today at NASA.

    https://asa.scitation.org/doi/10.1121/10.0005891

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to michael.trew@att.net on Mon Dec 12 07:33:13 2022
    On Thu, 08 Dec 2022 22:16:48 -0500, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    which wouldn't have been standard
    fare when Elvis bought it in the 1970's.

    At 5:30 in this video shows LBJ's Lockheed JetStar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg56qzSLVMY

    Don't know if park service has interior pics

    https://www.nps.gov/lyjo/index.htm

    They have a telephone number to call...I have not explored this site

    One high resolution pic of exterior

    <https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Lyndon_B._Johnson_Ranch_October_2020_22_%28Air_Force_One-Half%29.jpg>

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Mon Dec 12 16:53:00 2022
    Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
    On 12/7/2022 22:23, JAB wrote:
    Elvis Presley's Jet Found Parked in the Desert

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfMvLF0MnSk

    Very interesting watch. I wonder why it sat parked all of those years?
    It looks rather clean inside. It must have been updated since, with
    the cassette player, TV, and VCR -- which wouldn't have been standard
    fare when Elvis bought it in the 1970's.

    Last airworthy May 1983:
    https://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/N440RM.html
    last operator McKay Oil Corporation https://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Registration/N440RM/755010
    who are seemingly still going. The engine nacelles are in a museum in Tennessee.

    Sold in 2017 for $430,000, when apparently McKay questioned it was Elvis'
    plane and said he installed the interior in the 1980s: https://www.rdrnews.com/news/local/authenticity-of-elvis-s-plane-questioned-roswell-man-says-he-designed-jet-s-interior-not/article_a5294405-91ea-5161-939f-10b32d9afdac.html
    (paywall, so reproducing it here)


    "Whether a 1962 Lockheed Jetstar parked for decades at the Roswell International Air Center was really Elvis Presley’s plane and whether its interior was chosen by “The King” have been called into question by a Roswell man, but the firm planning to auction the plane Saturday is standing
    by its assertions that the plane was owned and custom-designed by Presley.

    Roy McKay, the owner of McKay Oil Corp. of Roswell, said that he owned the plane from about 1980 to 1999 and that he renovated the interior from a two-tone gray to the current wine-colored seats and carpet with wood
    paneling."

    “I guess morally if someone is going to pay $2 million to $3 million, they ought to know the truth,” McKay told the Daily Record Wednesday. “Of course, it was designed to my tastes, not to Elvis’s, although this might have been Elvis’s taste, too.”

    McKay said that he had chosen the design not only to complement the cranberry-red exterior paint but also to be reminiscent of the interior of a restaurant and lounge he liked. He said he purchased the plane from a
    broker who had bought it from a bankruptcy sale involving a California real estate firm.

    McKay did not have photographs of the plane before its redesign, but he did have a folder of photos showing the interior, which includes six recliner
    seats and a bench seat holding about four people. Some photos also showed
    him and his wife, Charolette, outside the plane.

    McKay said he was never told that it belonged to Presley when he bought it
    and was unconcerned either way when he heard people say that about it later.

    “It didn’t matter to me,” he said. “I bought it because it was pretty, most
    beautiful plane.”

    McKay called it the Cadillac of planes, fast and smooth to operate.

    A spokesman for GWS Auction LLC of Beverly Hills, California, said Wednesday that the auction company has documentation to prove the legitimacy of Presley’s ownership of the plane.

    “Our owner of the plane, who has owned it for 30 years, says this was Elvis’s plane and built to his specifications,” said Carl Carter, a spokesperson for GWS Auction. “We do have the documents showing the
    transfer of ownership from Elvis.”

    The online bid at gwsauctions.com for the plane was $21,000 Wednesday night, but the auction firm previously said that it was expected to sell for $2 million to $3 million.

    Press and website reports have been referring to the plane as Presley’s
    since at least 2002. It has been stored at the Roswell International Air Center since the late 1990s and occasionally tours of the plane have been offered by the city or the Walker Aviation Museum with permission of owners. Members of the media were allowed to tour the plane Wednesday afternoon.

    In 2015, the plane was owned by the Ed Kruse Foundation, according to a
    press report. The auction firm has declined to give the name of the current owners.

    Carter said Wednesday during the media tour of the Lockheed JetStar that the plane’s owner stands by the authenticity that the jet was owned and designed by Presley, and that it was Presley’s first plane. He said there are no federal records of the plane having a major interior renovation in the 1980s
    as McKay asserts.

    “The other place that it would show up would be in the maintenance records, but they’re really weren’t any,” Carter said, adding the plane has had its
    same registration number throughout its existence.

    Carter said he has spoken with McKay regarding McKay’s assertions that the plane was never owned by Presley.

    “I respect Mr. McKay’s sincerity and I understand what he’s saying. He may
    have done something to it, but there’s no record of it,” Carter said. “He
    indicated he doesn’t have any pictures or documentation of (the renovation) and there are no maintenance records that show that.”

    Carter said he’s been unable to find any photos of the plane with Presley.

    “We’re very confident that we’re representing the truth, what’s always been
    understood to be the case around here,” Carter said. “The best evidence indicates that we’re presenting the best evidence available. We checked the (Federal Aviation Administration) logs. We looked for maintenance records
    that would say otherwise, and there’s nothing there.”

    The plane is set for auction at 10 a.m. Pacific time. The engines have
    been removed from the plane and it has been inoperable for about 30 years.

    Carter said the plane, equipped with a recessed TV and taps for hot and cold beverages, would make a nice museum exhibit.

    “I think that’s the highest and best use of this plane,” Carter said.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk on Mon Dec 12 11:13:25 2022
    On 12 Dec 2022 16:53:00 +0000 (GMT), Theo
    <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    He said there are no federal records of the plane having
    a major interior renovation in the 1980s as McKay asserts.

    I assume this would apply to the interior space.


    Supplemental Type Certificates

    A supplemental type certificate (STC) is a type certificate (TC)
    issued when an applicant has received FAA approval to modify an
    aeronautical product from its original design. The STC, which
    incorporates by reference the related TC, approves not only the
    modification but also how that modification affects the original
    design.

    https://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert/design_approvals/stc

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