• the new indentured servitude

    From Retrograde@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 20 17:34:09 2022
    From the «not cool - avoid at all costs» department:
    Feed: Hacker News: Newest
    Title: More US Employers Are Trapping Workers in a New Form of Indentured Servitude
    Author: metadat
    Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2022 19:49:12 -0400
    Link: https://truthout.org/articles/more-us-employers-are-trapping-workers-in-a-new-form-of-indentured-servitude/

    Article URL: https://truthout.org/articles/more-us-employers-are-trapping-worker
    s-in-a-new-form-of-indentured-servitude/[1]

    Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32905728[2]

    Points: 312

    # Comments: 266

    Links:
    [1]: https://truthout.org/articles/more-us-employers-are-trapping-workers-in-a-new-form-of-indentured-servitude/ (link)
    [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32905728 (link)



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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Tue Sep 20 13:05:23 2022
    On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 17:34:09 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    Title: More US Employers Are Trapping Workers in a New Form of Indentured

    North America

    Until the late 18th century, indentured servitude was common in
    British America. It was often a way for Europeans to migrate to the
    American colonies: they signed an indenture in return for a costly
    passage. However, the system was also used to exploit Asians (mostly
    from India and China) who wanted to migrate to the New World. These
    Asian people were used mainly to construct roads and railway systems.
    After their indenture expired, the immigrants were free to work for
    themselves or another employer. At least one economist has suggested
    that indentured servitude occurred largely as "an institutional
    response to a capital market imperfection".[1] In some cases, the
    indenture was made with a ship's master, who sold the indenture to an
    employer in the colonies. Most indentured servants worked as farm
    laborers or domestic servants, although some were apprenticed to
    craftsmen.

    The terms of an indenture were not always enforced by American courts,
    although runaways were usually sought out and returned to their
    employer.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentured_servitude

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  • From Eli the Bearded@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Tue Sep 20 17:52:50 2022
    In misc.news.internet.discuss, Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:
    From the «not cool - avoid at all costs» department:
    Feed: Hacker News: Newest
    Title: More US Employers Are Trapping Workers in
    a New Form of Indentured
    Servitude
    Author: metadat
    Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2022 19:49:12 -0400
    Link: https://truthout.org/articles/more-us-employers-are-trapping-workers-in-a-new-form-of-indentured-servitude/

    Missing summary: requiring training, and then charging for it when the
    employee quits.

    Elijah
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    wonders how that works without an employment contract

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to Eli the Bearded on Tue Sep 20 22:42:26 2022
    On 9/20/2022 13:52, Eli the Bearded wrote:
    In misc.news.internet.discuss, Retrograde<fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:
    From the «not cool - avoid at all costs» department:
    Feed: Hacker News: Newest
    Title: More US Employers Are Trapping Workers in
    a New Form of Indentured
    Servitude
    Author: metadat
    Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2022 19:49:12 -0400
    Link:
    https://truthout.org/articles/more-us-employers-are-trapping-workers-in-a-new-form-of-indentured-servitude/

    Missing summary: requiring training, and then charging for it when the employee quits.

    Elijah
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    wonders how that works without an employment contract

    I'd agree with you, but the way that you state it, it sounds as if it's
    a simple ordeal. I read though enough of it, and was shocked when some employers are attempting to charge well over $5k for this training.
    Wow, how absurd...

    When I worked for a call center for billing, a big perk was free,
    full-paid training. They used that time to convince the employees to
    stick around and be yelled at on the phones, because they needed warm
    bodies in seats. If they weren't paid full-time during training, many
    would have likely skedaddled after they took their first few phone
    calls... "This ain't worth it!!"

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to Eli the Bearded on Wed Sep 21 21:51:21 2022
    On 2022-09-20, Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

    Missing summary: requiring training, and then charging for it when the employee quits.

    Elijah
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    wonders how that works without an employment contract

    Sorry about the missing summary. My news posting process pipes an RSS
    feed into a script, and the Ycombinator RSS feed items are really bare
    bones.

    Reading about these $5k training processes, you almost wonder if that's
    their business model! I'd like to think I'd be smart enough to tell
    this kind of employer to get fucked, but in places with few employers,
    the predator company might actually get away with it.

    Would make me want to break/destroy/steal $5k worth of equipment before disappearing from their premises. Of course they would track me down
    and my situation would get worse ...

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Wed Sep 21 19:50:03 2022
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:51:21 +0100, Retrograde
    <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    Reading about these $5k training processes

    Was Michael Milken credited for this scam?

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Sep 22 17:35:23 2022
    On 2022-09-22, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:
    Reading about these $5k training processes

    Was Michael Milken credited for this scam?

    Probably, along with his two colleagues, Bob Bilkem and Larry Steale.
    (LOL)

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